Famitsu Weighs In On Battle Between DS And PSP 83
Thanks to IGN Pocket for its discussion of a recent Famitsu-sourced Japanese magazine article quizzing readers and game creators about their impressions of the Nintendo DS and Sony PSP handheld consoles. In a reader survey, it's revealed that "14.8% checked that they'd like to purchase a PSP, compared to 11.8% who checked that they'd like to purchase DS... 7.1% stated that they think the PSP's design is cool while just 2.3% stated the same for the DS." It also polled developers and industry figures on questions such as "Which design do you like better?" ("PSP = 251, DS = 42"), and "Which do you want to be left standing in the end?" ("PSP = 84, DS = 156".) Which handheld do you want to be left standing?
Both (Score:5, Interesting)
But I don't think the PSP will fare well because it seems like Sony is hoping people will buy movies for their PSP, so they can only play them on their PSP, or whatever home entertainment device Sony pimps to them. I don't think people will dig that. And I think that will be a very bad thing for Sony.
Re:Both (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Both (Score:3, Interesting)
Nintendo DS stands on the shoulders of the GameBoy, which has an excellent track record of value and longevity. I'm interested.
PSP is a new product that is descended from the Playstation line, which has also proven its longevity
Re:Both (Score:1)
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A Note about the DS... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:A Note about the DS... (Score:3, Informative)
The Game.Com failed to be average in just about every aspect. The touch screen, for example, didn't allow for one to write on the screen like with a Palm Pilot. It had like a 16 by 16 grid that was sensitive to touch. Great for Wheel of Fortune, awful for air hockey.
So is the DS non-innovative because of the Game.Com? Oh heck no.
Re:A Note about the DS... (Score:4, Insightful)
The DS stylus and touch screen doesn't excite me in ANY way. I didn't need a Palm Pilot or any kind of handheld computing device, and I never bought one.
In fact, most of the games I saw for the DS at E3 made very minimal use of the 2nd screen. Oh look, I have a menu permanently open.
What's going to make or break this handheld battle...is battery life, though. Sony made the Betamax...tapes weren't long enough to record baseball games on TV, though.
So they lost to the VHS standard made by an upstart company. (This by way of the informative airline video I had on my last trip to Japan.)
Early rumors had the PSP's battery life at a paltry 2 hours. Then Sony said, "Oh, when you play games, the battery life specs are different, it's more like 10 hours. We just meant 2 hours if you're watching a movie." To me, this sounds like Sony got caught with their pants down again, and are hastily trying to increase battery life before it ships.
Honestly, I could care less right about now. When some GAMES come out, and the whole handheld debate isn't essentially pointless, I'll start deciding which line I'm going to get into.
Re:A Note about the DS... (Score:5, Interesting)
Seeing as how this is about a portable system, the real question is: Would you rather have that interface, or just plain not have it like the case with the PSP? The stylus is about as close as you're going to get to a mouse on a handheld system.
"What's going to make or break this handheld battle...is battery life"
I'm not so sure about that. If the battery life on either is more or less acceptable, then it'll come down to price and games. Nintendo picked a good strategy here by adding an additional interface capability to the system that has strong potential. Simply put: You will have games on the DS that could never be ported to the PSP.
"In fact, most of the games I saw for the DS at E3 made very minimal use of the 2nd screen. Oh look, I have a menu permanently open."
You have a menu and/or map that the stylus can be used to interface with. You didn't think that was cool? I did. They could actually port Starcraft to that machine and it'd be halfway decent. You can play wirelessly (maybe even on the net?), too. Slick.
Re:A Note about the DS... (Score:1)
See that's why i think the PSP has great potential, Sony could still screw it up but here's hoping...You know about that little analogue "nub" right underneath the directional buttons? That looks alot like a that thing they use in laptops when they run out of space on the keyboard, trackpoint i think they call it. Since it's analogue you could still use it as a mouse and have great control while you're doing it lol. The Dan
Re:A Note about the DS... (Score:1, Funny)
Seems to me that if you announce a new portable console and haven't thought about battery life, you're not getting caught with your pants down.
You've come to the party with no pants.
Re:A Note about the DS... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:A Note about the DS... (Score:2)
This reminds me of the story of how the size of the audio CD was established. Originally it was going to be an hour. Then someone noticed that Beetohven's 8th symphony wouldn't fit it it was only an hour long. Apparently this symphony is a big deal during new years celebrations in Japan. So they made the disc big enough to fit the symph
Re:A Note about the DS... (Score:1)
Regards,
Tim.
Nintendo DS (Score:5, Interesting)
1.) 802.11 connectivity.
2.) Use the sylus + on-screen keyboard to chat.
Then it occured to me. I can play against peeps on the net from my couch. VERY cool. Sadly, I don't see the PSP being as exciting in the multi-player area.
The DS's interface leaves a lot of room for interesting stuff. PSP is more 'Been there, done that'. I can see the PSP being successful, but I think I'll have a lot more fun with the DS.
Re:Nintendo DS (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Nintendo DS (Score:3, Interesting)
Sure the release dates and what not will shape it that way, but Nintendo have the GameBoy 3 in development too, and I shiver with anticipation with the prospect of what that could offer.
Think of the DS as a preview for the next GameBoy, that's the way I'm looking at it. So even if the PSP edges out the DS, there's no way it'll stand a chance against GB3.
Re:Nintendo DS (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm rooting for the DS myself. I don't trust Sony to deliver all that they promise. Just look at how the PSX was scaled back before final release--hook the consumer with features then switch 'em to a less mature product. I expect the PSP to be the same.
GB3? (Score:2, Informative)
Let's list the Gameboy's that have been released so far, shall we?
Gameboy
Gameboy Color
Gameboy Advance
(Not including the reincarnations of the same handheld [IE: GBASP, GBP, GB'C', etc.])
Seems like the next Gameboy would be GB4... Are you combining the GB and GBC together? They were definately seperate systems. If a game can be played on one console and not the one before it, that's when I'd seperate them (Yes, there were GBC exclusive games).
Don't care (Score:5, Interesting)
1) I remember back in the game gear / gameboy days. Gamegear was the system with clearly superior technology and hardware, you could turn the thing into a TV even! But who won? Nintendo with their low res spinach screen gameboy. It was just superior enough to a tiger lcd game and you could switch cartridges out of it instead of buying games seperately. DS and PSP is history repeating itself.
2) Completely ignoring what I just said, lets say the DS fails miserably. Let's say that the DS turns out to be the worst thing ever. Great! I'll be the guy who's got one. I'll be just as cool as that kid down the road who still has a working Virtual Boy. Worth every penny. Not only that, but its guaranteed to have at least a couple good games for it. From the previews we have been given at E3 as we as its gameboy backwards compatibility and wirelessness, owning a Nintendo DS is guaranteed to entertain me for at least X hours. As far as the PSP goes there is no guarantee of that I have seen. So even if the DS bombs, it is a great investment on which I am guaranteed to make a return. Worst case scenario I end up buying ever game that comes out for it because they get marked down to a buck each. Best case, it wins. Can't lose.
Note that I'm not saying the PSP is a POS. I'm just saying that with the knowledge currently available to me the DS is showing every sign of being worth the price while the PSP is not. If its announced tommorow that the PSP is actually as good as a Treo 600 a gameboy and a light saber combined, or even close to that, I'll change my mind.
Or buy both...
Re:Don't care (Score:2)
You have a very interesting definition of "cool" there, m'boy...
Re:Don't care (Score:1)
Back on topic: I'll buy a DS and not a PSP. Why? The DS is from Nintendo. Does that make me a fan boy? Yes it does!
When/if PSP were to come down to ~$100, I'd probably get one, but not until then.
Re:Don't care (Score:2)
Re:Don't care (Score:1)
I don't know about that; I've still got a working Atari Lynx and, so far at least, it hasn't enhanced my coolness noticably...
I do like the DS, what with the backwards compatiblity and wireless. But the whole touch-screen thing strikes me as a gimmick. I have my doubts how well it will serve as a game control, but we'll see... For now, I have a strange urge to to dig out my Lynx and play some Rygar...
Re:Don't care (Score:1)
Re:Don't care (Score:1, Interesting)
1) I'll be able to play my GBA SP games again, which I haven't been able to do since I showed above mentioned wife Mario Kart Super Circuit
2) presumabley there will be some sort of PDA app with internet(WAP?)/email/chat client program, even if it is homebrew, and I can have an inexpensive way to get online at wi-fi hotspots and check sports scores, slashdot, my email and whatnot.
and
PSP (Score:1)
I'm trying to love the PSP (Score:2, Insightful)
However, the promise of graphics AND innovation beats the ability to buy movies I already own.
In reality the system that does the best in the next generation depends
Re:I'm trying to love the PSP (Score:2)
Whichever one ends up with better games, and ... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Whichever one ends up with better games, and .. (Score:1)
Re:Whichever one ends up with better games, and .. (Score:1)
In the end... (Score:2, Interesting)
Nintendo Will Win (Score:5, Interesting)
1. Nintendo already has a large portfolio of portable games. Sony will have to play catch-up much like Microsoft has been doing with its X-Box in the console space.
2. Nintendo has an installed base of customers. Kids want to buy whatever their friends already have so they can exchange games.
3. This means a lot more to Nintendo. Sony's focus is on the console market. That's where they'll put their best engineers and managers. Nintendo has to fight to survive. They are hungrier.
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Eggs are only eggs (Score:3, Insightful)
Right right this is not the same thing, the DS will be about half the price, Sony isn't getting the year head start and so on. But make no mistake, Sony isn't stupid, and they will do what they need to make the PSP a contender. What if Nobody wants to develop for the DS? Ni
Re:Nintendo Will Win (Score:1)
Re:Nintendo Will Win (Score:1)
Woah, good point. I didn't realise the DS would be GBA compatible. I just switched to Nintendo!
Famitsu did an earlier Nintendo DS v. PSP poll (Score:5, Insightful)
Gamers voted that DS would trounce PSP in every category, and were more excited about it. A majority of developers were more excited about PSP.
My take? Many developers see the innovative features of the DS and scratch their heads, wondering why they should go through all the work of coming up with new ideas to take advantage of them, when old ideas still sell. Gamers, being the ultimate reason for the technology in the first place, see the potential of the Nintendo DS hardware and drool. The disconnect between the two opinions here should be surprising, but somehow it isn't, considering the game sales slump that Japan's been going through recently. Seems like a solvable problem, however....
Battle of the Japanese titans... (Score:3, Insightful)
ONLY number (Score:5, Insightful)
Will Sony screw themselves with a whooping $300+ handheld. If DC is $150 then PSP will technically have to be twice as good to win.
Re:ONLY number (Score:2)
More than that. For $300, a gaming system needs to be able to to caress me lovingly when the SO is out of town.
Depends on price, battery and games for PSP (Score:5, Insightful)
Those variables are still up in the air for the PSP, though. If it's more than $300, less than 10 hours, or has nothing to offer but more of the same from the PS1 and PS2, it will be dead on arrival. Also, the PSP is kind of a brick: it's nearly an inch thick. And the design doesn't protect the screen.
As for playing back movies and MP3s, without recordable PSP disks, that dog won't hunt.
Honestly, I think Sony took one look at the DS at E3 and said "It's good. We're so screwed." That's why they're cutting costs elsewhere like in the handhelds division.
Jon Acheson
Re:Depends on price, battery and games for PSP (Score:1)
I've never once been upset because I couldn't use any headphones with my GBA. I'll either play with the music up and playing out the speakers or I'll play with the music off. No big deal for me. Most GBA music gets repetitive pretty quickly anyway and after a while I don't mind not hearing it. But that's just me. I'm sure there are some instances where people need the headphones but it's never been anything I've had a problem with.
Re:Depends on price, battery and games for PSP (Score:2)
BUT, my daughter loves to crank the volume all the way up on her GBA and annoy me with it...still, I'm getting the DS for myself and she will keep the GBA for herself (and I can stop 'barrowing' it from her
Re:Depends on price, battery and games for PSP (Score:1)
the sound helps with the rithym of the game.
and on a plane it is real rude to have the sound up (espacially when your fligh leaves at 6pm and is many many hours long.
Re:Depends on price, battery and games for PSP (Score:2)
Jon Acheson
Two Screen == Gimmick? (Score:4, Insightful)
The stylus looks interesting, in that you can write messsages. And play variants of Wario-Ware. But beyond that, I'm having a hard time seeing any third party developer making a game that uses it. And I don't really see much beyond novelty - ala E-reader or power glove - for the stylus.
The best Nintendo had to demonstrate the Dual Screen functionality with were maps. I don't see how that fundamentally changes the gaming experience, or adds anything to the gaming experience the PSP can't do with a start button. Moreover, looking at the map means taking your eyes away from the main action of what's happening on screen 1. I can't see third parties supporting this beyond maps. Why? Because with two portable platforms they won't want to code platform specific games. They'll go with the lowest common denominator, which means the single screened PSP. And if the stylus works for gaming, why haven't PC stylus games taken off - at all?
The wireless multiplayer is pretty great, and perhaps is the DS's redeeming feature. Knowing Nintendo's track record with internet multiplayer (which is to say not having one), I wouldn't expect much more beyond being in the same room. You can do that now, even if it is wired. And if the PSP doesn't support it, why code it into the game enough that it dramatically improves/affects gameplay?
I think the DS will face the same problem that Nintendo has always faced. Nintendo comes up with these hardware ideas based on internal games, and then expects the third parties to follow along. The DS is closer to the e-reader, or the power glove, or the Gamecube - Gameboy interoperability. Novel, integrated with a few first party titles, but little more than that. Nintendo currently dominates the portable market, yet the e-reader and the GC-GBA connection are barely used among third party devs. It can only be harder when you have a team developing the same game for both the PSP and the DS.
I'm not saying the DS absolutely can't work, or that the PSP will bury it into the ground. I'm merely surprised at how overwhelmingly positive the response has been to something that hasn't really shown that it can do anything. Predicting the inevitable Nintendo fans who will retort simply with some accusation of trolling, I'm not an Xbox or PS2 fanboy. I love my Gamecube. I'm merely wondering why the DS is so great (or the PSP), and where the revolution in gaming is that Nintendo keeps promising everyone. I'm perfectly willing to change my viewpoint when someone tells me why the DS will be so great.
Re:Two Screen == Gimmick? (Score:1)
It's called THE MOUSE!
Re:Two Screen == Gimmick? (Score:2)
Have you tried using a STYLUS to play Far Cry? There's a significant difference between a stylus and a mouse. If there wasn't and they were the same thing, than Nintendo would've had a player using the stylus to control Metroid DS, not the pad.
And supposing they are the same, that's all the more reason not to use them on a portable system. With a stylus and/or mouse on a PC, I have a surface that allows me to use one hand to control the pointing device, and another to control my
Re:Two Screen == Gimmick? (Score:3, Informative)
Have you tried using a STYLUS to play Far Cry? There's a significant difference between a stylus and a mouse. If there wasn't and they were the same thing, than Nintendo would've had a player using the stylus to control Metroid DS, not the pad.[/i]
Well, that's exactly what they did. You move forward and back and left and right with the pad, lock on with L, and look around with the stylus. Weapons are selectable on the edges of the screen. Thanks for playing though.
Re:Two Screen == Gimmick? (Score:2)
Tap crazily at the touchscreen? I can tell you that's going to get old in about five seconds.
That's the one thing I didn't get when was reading about E3. You're one hand short it seemed.
Luckily aliens have 4 arms!
Re:Two Screen == Gimmick? (Score:1)
Except you do use the stylus to control Metroid DS.
1up's Metroid Preview [1up.com]
Re:Two Screen == Gimmick? (Score:2)
One thing to keep in mind, however, is that each of the two peripherals you mentioned (and the GC-GBA connection later in your comment) were add-ons that a developer could not be guaranteed consumers would purchase and/or have, thus, no game to take advantage of it. If, on the other hand, everyone had an e-reader buit into their GBA, I wager that you would be able to pick up freebie demo levels and packs of add-
Re:Two Screen == Gimmick? (Score:2)
There are two areas, however, where we do have these devices already in use. The first is tablet pcs, which I shall rule out simply because they're not widely enough available for game developers to justify investing time an
Re:Two Screen == Gimmick? (Score:1)
If every computer monitor had a touch screen, I am sure there would be more PC stylus games. The stylus is a portable alternative to the mouse. A game like Lemmings would be perfect for a touch screen. (even though I still enjoy playing Lemmings on my Game Gear with it's D-pad).
I think a Starcraft type game would be cool with two views and a touch screen. You could assign one view to follow some troops, or use the sec
Re:Two Screen == Gimmick? (Score:1)
The thing is, Nintendo didn't build a portable WEGA flatscreen that plays games, like Sony did. It's more than just another appliance. They built a device that's loaded with every realist
Re:Two Screen == Gimmick? (Score:2)
DS all the way... (Score:2)
I think the PSP is one of those examples of Sony trying to be too cute. Relying on unproven technology and thinking they can force it through, especially when it's going to be relativly expensive.
As a gaming machine it'll be pretty cool, but it's going to be marketed at a wider basis, which is really going to dull its impact.
The DS, because of its backwards compatibility, will be somewhat popular, although to be honest, it's Game Boy 2.5. GBC being 1.5, Advance 2, and the DS 2.5. You'll
Generic consumers won't buy the PSP (Score:3, Insightful)
But it'll be more expensive, and most of the things you will do on it is music, movies and games.
It's probably only going to play music off of the Connect service and ATRAC files, not mp3s. (Sony's iTunes)
People will have to repurchase their DVDs to play as a UMD. Double purchases? I doubt it. It's not like Advent Children is going to be UMD only.
And the games right now look like PS1 and PS2 games that most people already own.
It's too recent to begin rehashing those titles as a franchise.
Repurchasing music, dvds and ps1/2 games on a console more expensive than the PS2 (Which already plays it all) isn't something a lot of people will look forward to.
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let the GBA remain standing (Score:2)
I love my gameboy advance. Higher resolution and cpu power would let it do it's main job for me better - act as an emulator. And hey, the regular games would be better too
Really, these are all just nit picks. GBA games are great as they are. With the gameboy player [nintendo.com] I can play gba games on my TV, and it's surprising how good quality they are from a graphics and gameplay experience.
I'm just not s
Game prices and innovation (Score:1)
Woa woa woa... (Score:1)
What is may come down to is Price (Score:1)
Re:What is may come down to is Price (Score:2)