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10 Points About Transgaming's Cedega/WineX 275

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jvm writes "Attempting to raise the level of the discussion, Dan 'theoddone33' Olson has put together a list of ten critical observations that every potential Linux gamer should consider before buying Transgaming's WINE-based product Cedega (formerly WineX). Dan invites credible rebuttals to the points he's raised. The debate over the value of Cedega/WINE as a solution for the nascent Linux gaming community continues..."
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  • RTFA and slashdotting (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 06, 2004 @05:23PM (#10171804)
    Could someone explain me why if nobody here RTFA, it is slashdoted already? Aah, I know, you all load the link but close the eyes. Evil people!

  • Doesn't Work Too Well Here (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Every time a program tries to access the CD-ROM Cedega crashes in KERNEL32.DLL.wine_get_unix_file_name. I would love to play Red Alert 2 using the official CDs I bought, but I'm forced to use a cracked version off FastTrack.

  • Slashdotted, but I bought it last month, so... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 26199 ( 577806 ) on Monday September 06, 2004 @05:26PM (#10171833) Homepage

    Have to say I was impressed... I can now play Counterstrike without rebooting, which is very nice. Doom 3 works too. It's cheap, it works, haven't seen any reason to complain.

    It actually makes me think of Linux as a viable platform for games... not a viable platform in five years' time, but a viable platform now.

    • Re:Slashdotted, but I bought it last month, so... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 06, 2004 @05:42PM (#10171974)
      ID games will be releasing an Linux binary for Doom3; Unreal Tournament has been Linux compatabile for awhile now, as is NeverWinter Nights. When I use a Linux native version, it sends the manufactures a message that Linux is a viable gaming platform. When I use Cedega, I don't send that message.

      Transgaming has also prevented at least one native port from making it to market, as I recall; I believe it was one of the Kohan series. Perhaps another /.-er can fill in the details?

      • I'll certainly be downloading the native Doom 3... it should be a fair bit faster.

        Similarly I'd buy any native Linux versions of games where available, for the performance boost and to get rid of the slight 'ugh' factor whenever Windows is mentioned...

        When it comes down to it, I can't see giving money to Transgaming damaging the cause; if anything it helps dispel the myth that Linux users expect everything to be free...

        • I was quite impressed by UT2K4 on Linux. It was rip-roarin' fast, even at 1920x1200!. Well, until those danged ATI drivers crapped out (they always do, after running for about 3 minutes, they get all sorts of horizontal lines chopping up the view and the game becomes unplayable. Indeed, no 3D works from that point on (will get the horizontal lines after a few tens of seconds, length of time is reduced every time I start playing again without rebooting).

          I was also impressed with the Castle Wolfenstein Li

      • Re: neverwinter nights (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Well, I own 4 copies of NWN + all exps, all of which are played on Linux machines. But the only way I knew to do this was to buy the Windows boxed versions, and copy the data over per instructions on the bioware site. So I suspect all my purchases were recorded as windows purchases.

        Now, it also sounds like NWN2 is not going to be ported to Linux :-(

        • Well, there are Loki-based installers to install NWN now. No Win32
          involved in any part of the process :)

          As for recording your purchases as Linux products:
          Go to the Bioware forums, register each key with a username,
          and select to be displayed as a Linux user. I did.
      • I think it's fair to say that if there IS a Linux port, people will buy that, and not the Windows version, as it will run better.

        If there isn't a Linux version to buy, you're still not sending that message.

    • Re:Slashdotted, but I bought it last month, so... (Score:5, Informative)

      by PhoenixFlare ( 319467 ) on Monday September 06, 2004 @05:54PM (#10172070) Journal
      It actually makes me think of Linux as a viable platform for games... not a viable platform in five years' time, but a viable platform now.

      Maybe, unless you want to use WineX to play something that's not an MMORPG, FPS, or RTS game, with a few exceptions - personally, the last time I tried it I couldn't get anything to work but Diablo II and Starcraft, and even then they had several major playability problems.

      More specifically, I tried it about 1.5 years ago, followed the installation directions to the letter. Then tried getting several games (Starcraft, Homeworld, Warcraft II, Diablo II, Civ II, even freaking 10-year old Lemmings wouldn't run right) to work for about a month with almost no success, and cancelled my subscription in disgust.

      I'd love to give it another shot, but the only games people ever mention it working with are the same ones over and over again. As well, their game database lists a massive number of non-working titles still, and if a poster on the linked story is to be believed, they're not even updating the database anymore.

      Doesn't exactly make me want to shell out more money. I'm sure there's others like you out there who are happy with it and have everything you want working, but I suspect you're in the minority.
      • +1 virtual insightful points!

        Why does Linux need another #@$@$# FPS? How about a good driving game? There are none. No, not Racer, or TORCS... they don't come close to any of at least the NFS series.

        You might as well leave off RTS, though. If the site wasn't slashdotted I could point out that Age of Empires II doesn't work. Last I checked, anyway.
      • If You have Warcraft II You can use the graphics from the CD and use http://stratagus.sf.net/ as an engine on Linux.

        Same with Freeciv at www.freeciv.org and Civilization II. Freeciv is a wonderful, stable game using the ruleset of Civilization II and focusing on network play. But beware of the ai. It is very strong as well.

        Starcraft was already playable with "normal" Wine years ago.
        Check http://koti.mbnet.fi/~hoppq/sc-howto.html for the howto. I imagine since Wine has improved over the last years, that St
        • First of all, thanks for the links. I wasn't really looking for help on running them at this point, but at least it will provide something to fiddle with the next time I get bored in Linux.

          That said, the first two alternatives share a problem that really bugs me about a lot of Linux gaming. Note: this is not an attack on you in any way, only an observation on these projects.

          If You have Warcraft II You can use the graphics from the CD and use http://stratagus.sf.net/ as an engine on Linux.

          Same with Free
      • Relic released the source to homeworld. It's not an OSI or FSF approved license due to some non-commercial use and non-redistribution clauses, but who cares, close enough for our purposes right. Here [thereisnospork.com] are the patches to the linux port. Everything you need to know to get it working is there. Biggest bug is the lack up networking support. Have fun. :)
        • Nifty...I might actually use that once they get multiplayer support working, as it's rather buggy in Windows.

          And re: the web Lemmings link, thanks, but i've got a Windows and DOS (with an old manual covered in passwords) version that runs fine already :) I appreciate the help greatly, but I wasn't really asking for fixes specifically for each game :)
    • Of course it won't be viable in 5 years. Everyone will be using GNUstep by then and BSD will be thought of as "the other OS". For now I'll keep plugging away at gaming on Linux and BUYING games that have NATIVE linux support. Windows on the other hand will still be that overly bloated OS people run so they can try out the latest viruses and spyware. Go Bonzi Buddy!!

  • What the hell is /. doing posting this tripe? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by marcushnk ( 90744 ) <senectus@@@gmail...com> on Monday September 06, 2004 @05:27PM (#10171854) Journal
    I'm sick of these halfwitts sledging a real contributer to the gaming industry in Linux.
    These guys have a good history, yeah its not squeeky clean but so bloody what?!?
    They contributed to Loki's technology, Gavriel is on good Terms with Ryan (Icculus) and there are many other linux NATIVE technologies that owe their success in part to direct help from Transgaming.

    FFS, if you don't like them then DON'T BLOODY use their product, stop stabbing the poor bastards in the back. /rant over
    *mutter grumble* *kicks cat*
    • Actually, I agree with you.

      I spent my 15 bucks...15 measly bucks...and installed it. It works great for me on the games I play with it...the same ones that I used to play when I had XP a year ago. Everquest runs faster for me than it did on XP...Warcraft 3 runs great, Steam/Half-Life/Counterstrike runs great also...there are some bumps with Steam as it updates itself...but they fix them.

      I have no complaints with my whopping 15 bucks I spent on this. If I didn't like them, or they were not doing what I wanted it to do, then I wouldn't buy it anymore. Plain and simple.

      And besides, most of the other games I play have a native Linux client on them anyway.
    • How does openly posting their comments on the web constitute stabbing in the back? Its out there for anyone to see, and refute if they are so inclined. You, for instance could have put together a refutation rather than namecalling

      • Happily using and supporting the games that THEY helped to make work but not acknowledging their contributions is the stabbing in the back that I refer to.
        • How do you know they "happily use and support the games..?" It's entierly possible they want to play Tie FIGHTER 95, Diablo I, XvT, Final Fantasy VIII, or any of a HUGE other list of games that don't have massive fanboy following anymore, thus don't get the votes to be fixed.

          The only one of my games that I want to play that even WORKS on WineX/Cedega is Diablo II. Their voting scheme may seem like the best idea, but it's a great way to alienate customers who don't live on the bleeding edge of gaming (as so
    • And the orginal story isn't?!?!
      WTF is wrong with you people.. get the facts the READ them.
      Transgaming is not the enemy, WE are.

    • Re:What the hell is /. doing posting this tripe? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by rpdillon ( 715137 ) * on Monday September 06, 2004 @10:32PM (#10173875) Homepage
      The real problem is that half the people say:

      "Yeah, everything runs great! WTG Trangaming!! Best $15 I ever spent!"

      and the other half say:

      "What a piece of shit! Nothing runs, and I tried 37 games! Screw Transgaming, I want my money back!"

      And that was my finding...that some people get it to work, and other simply cannot (often, but not always, how much time you want to put into trying to work out all the idiosyncracies).

      But that is enough of a problem: if I *pay* for a commercial product, I shouldn't have to pay and THEN find out if some games I want work for me...performance should be consistent. Further, it IS commercial; if I made you pay for software, you'd expect it to work...not that you'd have to spend 6 or 7 hours every so often to get your money out of it.

      Don't get confused: we are used to Linux and other free software (as in beer) that we don't have to pay for, but have to spent hours configuring, learning and tweaking to get it to work sometimes. And its worth it, because we learn, and we get free software, and maybe can give something back to the community.

      But with Transgaming, its NOT free software, and I shouldn't have to spend hours at a time trying to get acceptable performance out of games I *already* paid for once. Now I have to pay twice, AND spend a lot of time screwing around with esoteric settings, and in the end, it may or may not work, and I don't know if it will EVER work.

      Name one other commerical program that charges you monthly (to the tune of $60 a year), simply to use their software which may or may not work as advertised, whose performance varies so wildly that you simply cannot predict whether it will work for you or not until you pay up. I'd say it takes a full work week of my spare time/year to try to set up games I want to play and find out if they will even run - often without success.

      Man, I just convinced myself to go cancel my subscription.
      • It's really not that complicated. You read the forums. You see if anyone has gotten the game you want to play working. If nobody has, chances are it probably wont work. If somebody has gotten it working, and they specify how, then you can be reasonably sure to manage it too, with some work.

        If you actually bother to check the state of the games you want to play you'll find performance _is_ rather consistent.

        "I shouldn't have to spend hours at a time trying to get acceptable performance out of games I *alre
        • If somebody has gotten it working, and they specify how, then you can be reasonably sure to manage it too, with some work.

          Funny. I wanted to run a game (2 years old), found multiple positive comments on transgaming.org, paid the $15 for WineX, and then discovered it didn't run at anywhere near a satisfactory level. Performance was bad in all cases, and multiplayer games didn't work at all. A support request to Transgaming told me that "Online play is unsupported".

          Sortof like installing windows and s
          • 4 CD-ROMs? It takes me about 20 minutes to reinstall Windows XP (I've done it twice since I installed it on my current system, sigh) and I install all my drivers from a directory on my hard disk. The only CDROM cycling is when I reload applications, some of which do not survive a windows reinstall because they put things in stupid directories and registry locations.
        • Yeah, I don't think you read what I wrote. I've been subscribing since transgaming started offering subscriptions (with a 5 month gap somewhere in the middle), and what I'm saying is *you can't tell if a game will work by reading those forums*.

          You are sorely mistaken: the game-specific forums have been "archived" because 90% contained people complaining about how X game didn't work. Now, the only forums people can post to are for 5 or 6 major games that work fairly well, and then ONE other forum that ser

      • Name one other commerical program that charges you monthly (to the tune of $60 a year), simply to use their software which may or may not work as advertised, whose performance varies so wildly that you simply cannot predict whether it will work for you or not until you pay up...

        ... not counting Everquest? ;-)

  • Windows games = Windows community (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Trurl's Machine ( 651488 ) on Monday September 06, 2004 @05:28PM (#10171861) Journal
    The debate over the value of Cedega/WINE as a solution for the nascent Linux gaming community continues..."

    I think this debate is pointless. If you purchase a Windows game, you are a member of the Windows gaming community, period. It doesn't matter if you play it on native Wintel platform or on Macintosh emulating x86/Windows via Virtual PC - or Linux emulating Windows APIs. The next logical step is to quit all your Linux activity and reboot your computer to MS Windows, the same game will run even better then. The *only* way to build Linux gaming community is via native Linux ports, just as the relatively small Macintosh gaming community does. Mac users got used to waiting months or years for native ports to be released. They don't complain paying premium prices for games whose Windows ports are already in bargain bins. There will be no "Linux gaming community", not until Linux gamers accept similar solution.
    • Mac users got used to waiting months or years for native ports to be released. They don't complain paying premium prices for games whose Windows ports are already in bargain bins.

      Fortunately, id software has a better solution. By releasing Linux binaries of their engines on the web, linux gamers can just buy the windows games and copy tha data files over from the CD. This makes much more sense than releasing a different boxed game for every port and it is probably easier on the developers too.

    • The *only* way to build Linux gaming community is via native Linux ports [...] There will be no "Linux gaming community", not until Linux gamers accept similar solution.

      Yeah you're SO right. I use Linux exclusively, but I run Microsoft Office with Crossover Office [codeweavers.com]. So, I am a member of the Windows Office community.

      Your logic is truly astounding. Your moderators too.

  • Wrong direction? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by usefool ( 798755 )
    I purposely built a linux box as a firewall between my other Windows machines and the internet. If I was running linux machines and wanted to play Windows games, I would have built a Windows machine for that purpose too.

    Of course the best solution is a XBox, as it (hopefully) carries many Windows-also titles.

    So if Cedega's fees are higher or close to a XBox or a Windows license, it won't be too attractive at all.

  • TransGaming helps Linux gaming (Score:5, Interesting)

    by kravlor ( 597242 ) on Monday September 06, 2004 @05:53PM (#10172060) Homepage
    Disclaimer: I am a TransGaming subscriber.

    I decided to try out TransGaming's Cedega product shortly after it was released. In addition to their modified wineserver, they have come out with a game manager, Point2Play. This tool has made it _easy_ to install and configure games.

    I think that the fact that TransGaming has been able to successfully negotiate with vendors providing copy-protection and other proprietary code for use with Cedega is a big step towards making Linux a more predominant gaming platform. (I was pleasantly surprised to find that some of my titles, such as Warcraft III, ran better with the Cedega emulation!)

    While I prefer the idea of native Linux builds of games, there are also many (older) titles that simply will never be ported over. The best thing that we can do at this point is to vote with our wallets. For now, that means TransGaming will keep getting my subscription!

  • Thoughts on the article (Score:5, Interesting)

    by sloanster ( 213766 ) * <ringfan@@@mainphrame...com> on Monday September 06, 2004 @06:04PM (#10172140) Journal
    The article raises some good points, but is focusing on the wrong things - Lets face it, transgaming wine/x is a neat hack, and what it does is very cool.

    I am a pretty regular gamer, and have wasted far too much time on 3D FPS titles like q3a, RtCW, ut2004 etc - and I have the doom3 linux version pre-ordered. I use linux, and really don't have any plans to set up a pc just for gaming, as the games I like are available natively on linux. I feel that the market should decide the success of transgaming - if you like it, feel free, but count me out, thanks!

    The reason I'm not interested in in running windows games in linux via wine is that if we take that to its logical conclusion, there will be no market for native linux games - idsoft has it right, their games are written in a portable fashion, and have pretty much the same performance on linux/X11/DRI as on the simple pc GUI used by ms windows. Let's face it, once a gamer plays native linux games, he will be dissatisfied with the emulated variety, and it would be a real shame if that's all there was.

    All in all, the wine solution is a nice hack, and useful as a temporary kludge, but we are sunk if that becomes the norm and all game development becomes ms windows centric, and we become the new OS/2, inhabiting a shrinking niche and dying a slow death. Fsck that! The native linux gaming market is the thing we need to support with our wallets, if we want to see it thrive.
    • The point is not to make everything in the future emulated, it's simply to get the games that current windows gamers use playable on Linux, where possible..
      Yes, I want, and will pay for, Linux native games.
      But hey, where games aren't around that are Linux native, I think it's worth my money per month to get games I play regularly working without rebooting all the time.
      Cedega gives us something NOW to get a group of people gaming, who can then push for native new releases.
      And then, at least, there are SOME f
      • If wine/x fills a need for you, great - it's just not for me. Lord knows, I spend way too much time gaming anyway. I don't have enough time to explore, let alone play, all the native linux 3D FPS games out there - but I get my fill of it with a handful, basiclly ut2004, RtCW, and that old standby, Q3A.

        Shelrem said: Guess what? Almost all of it (game development) already is (windows centric).

        Fact is, linux does have a presence, a mindshare with the game developers. That's why I can go to the store and bu
    • As a loyal Transgaming subscriber, i have to refute this argument. You say that "We are sunk if [running Windows games via wine] becomes the norm and all game development becomes ms windows centric." Guess what? Almost all of it already is. Wine allows those of us who want to play specific computer games to do it under Linux instead of Windows. I buy the Linux version of games that have them, though in the case of Neverwinter Nights, for example, i still need wine to run the editor tools (and the nativ
    • we are sunk if that becomes the norm and all game development becomes ms windows centric

      It already is MS Windows centric and has been for a long, long time now.

      we become the new OS/2, inhabiting a shrinking niche and dying a slow death. Fsck that!

      You've been misled. Go ask any of the people really involved with the OS/2 scene back then, most of them say Windows compatibility was a strength not a hinderance. The reason people wrote Windows apps was because it had a higher market share, and because un

  • ... to develop a "wrapper" (forgive my bad terminology if its wrong, I couldn't think of the name!) so that you could run two OS's at the same time and task switch between them like you do with windows programs?

    I never got the whole "linux bit" windows is Mass market, linux will never be MASS MARKET! I'm sorry it just wont at least not for a long time. It may become mass market in emerging markets and developing countries but Consoles come first, then windows, then if you're lucky linux gets the scraps.
    • Can you please explain to me why you seem to think that rebooting to Windows is better than not having to reboot at all?
    • I'm not sure if you're being genuine or not, so I'll take the time to reply.

      Virtual machines are typically required to run multiple operating systems at the same time, unless you have multiple systems on which you can run your operating systems and then just switch between the two with a kvm switch. The problem with virtual machines is that they need a place to run, which means they still need a host operating sytem. The ones I've seen that either use Linux or Windows just don't implement the child opera

  • Games that work under WineX/Cedega (Score:5, Informative)

    by FuzzyBad-Mofo ( 184327 ) <fuzzybadNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Monday September 06, 2004 @06:19PM (#10172252)

    Since the article is slashdotted, here's a list of games that I run successfully under WineX 3.2.1 (not even the current version):

    • Age of Empires II
    • Icewind Dale
    • GTA 3
    • GTA: Vice City
    • Baldur's Gate II
    • Diablo II
    • Starcraft
    • Warcraft II BNE
    • Fallout II
    • Max Payne
    • Thief (Gold)
    • Thief II
    • Deus Ex
    • Grim Fandango
    Not all of these work perfectly; for example BGII network play is not available. However, for the most part these are totally playable and sometimes even run better than the same games running under Windows. I really wish Transgaming would put more effort into supporting older games, but I guess more gamers want to play Counter Strike 2, not Diablo I.
    • And even if the game is supported, your hardware might not be. Two machines off the same build, one is an Epia-M and the other an Athlon. Epia works quite nicely with linux games and GL acceleration. Will *not* run windows games at all. Some works very nicely for menus etc but anything rendered does not show up.

      Athlon with the NVidia card, everything works fine for some games that just don't work on the Epia.

      I used an image from the Epia to setup the Athlon, so except for the kernel modules and XF86Conf

  • Doom 3 but no QuickBooks? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by copponex ( 13876 ) on Monday September 06, 2004 @06:43PM (#10172407) Homepage
    This is sad... people can play Doom 3 on their linux partition, but they can't run QuickBooks?! It makes me wonder of the linux community *really* wants the desktop business market.

    I have my boss and all employees on Firefox/Thunderbird. I've removed the little E icon but pinned it to the start menu for dumb sites like Ingram Micro and - unbelievably - slashdot. If there were a bit of software similar to a multi-user GnuCash that could import quickbooks files, I cannot tell you how many businesses I could have switched by the Q4.

    We have a small window of time before MS breaks all the wine/crossover compatibility with Longhorn. Don't miss it.
    • Instead of trying to emulate (yeah, wine is not an emulator, I know) an existing project, people is the oss community tried to make their own product. I haven't tried GnuCash, but I see how it could work if you could move your data to it. That is where the GnuCash people should be working. But I don't think it's up to the open source community to make it able to run windows apps. Saying that linux can't be a contender because you can't run QuickBooks might be the wrong way to look at the problem. Anoth
      • I wholeheartedly agree.

        The problem is that there is no open source equivilent to QuickBooks. There's nothing close, except for Fishbowl (closed source add-on, $5000 for a 10 user license) which runs on java and only provides order procurement/fulfillment cycles.

        If there were anything like Openoffice/Firefox/Thunderbird (seamless translation, easy to install, easy interface to adapt to, completely compatible file format) both Intuit and Microsoft would be hurting. Even the $5000 10 user QuickBooks uses a f
        • You make a great point. Small businesses rely on small software packages that are proprietary and will only run on windows. I have some experience in software for small law firms. They pay lots of money for this custom software that they couldn't work without.

          I think in the next few years, we might see a transition from windows to linux. I think the first thing software developers should be looking at is if their programs will run in at least crossover. If they run out of the box with wine, then even
    • Totally agree on this point.

      I have approximately 300 business's that I support, Almost ALL (99%) run windows configurations of some sort. Why ? not because of games ? Not because of office support, but because here in australia, Since the introduction of the GST it is practically IMPOSSIBLE for a business to run without using either Intuit's QuickBooks / QuickPos / QuickFuel, or MYOB Accounting / Premier / etc.

      Most of these companies are not in a position to switch to linux until these products can work
      • A cheaper option, is to use vnc. Sure, you can't have two people running the same application at the same time (unless you set up two windows boxes) but the money you save on software enables you to buy an extra box.

        Ideal up to about 10 clients, anyway.

  • Yet another reason not to use WineX (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Eric Damron ( 553630 ) on Monday September 06, 2004 @08:48PM (#10173245)
    I have subscribed to WineX for a couple of years now. I just have five bucks a month charged to my credit card via Pay Pal.

    For some time now I have been considering dropping my support of this product for some of the reasons listed in the article. Another reason is the way in which WineX or Cedega is distributed. You download their Point2Play program and then from that program you install Cedega. Although Cedega is offered as a separate download I have never been able to successfully install Cedega/WineX unless I use the Point2Play program to get the copy off of their website. What this means is if I ever drop my subscription I won't be able to reinstall the software. Probably the whole point in making it that way.

    I have recently upgraded my PC to a 3.2 Ghz Pentium 4 and am testing out Suse. I installed Point2Play and Cedega. I wanted to see if the extra computing power would make gaming through WineX more bearable but I can't seem to get it to work with Suse. It simply won't install anything anymore. Yet another reason to drop this product.

    As Linux works its way into the mainstream desktop market, we'll see more and more games being written for Linux. I always considered Wine/WineX just a temporary bandaid to help Windows users make the transition.
    • I installed Cedaga via dpkg (Debian) without problems. Using "Cedega /path/to/some.exe" works just fine, getting all my apps/games to work doesn't of course but actually running Cedega hasn't been a problem.

      Check ~/.transgaming/config or something similar. Email me if you need help, but right now I haven't yet installed wineX again (probably by tomorrow)

  • The definition of irony (Score:5, Funny)

    by Sivar ( 316343 ) <charlesnburns[ AT ]gmail DOT com> on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @12:20AM (#10174434)
    Since my gaming system was "upgraded" to Windows XP from 2000, Starcraft decided that certain doors inside of buildings would cause a crash-to-desktop when opened. Seeing as how you must open some to get through the game, this was a bad thing.
    I tried various tricks (disable sound/change drivers/reinstall/different media/3 different systems) and even contact tech support.
    The *only* way I was able to get past these points was to run them in Cedega on my laptop.

    Thus, in some situations, Cedega is more compatible with Windows games than Windows itself.

  • Cedega is needed (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Tools1911 ( 753205 )
    I use Cedega for some games, like CoH and SW:Galaxies en BF:Vietnam. Hmm, for the price of WinXP ( Non-OEM ) I would pay around 150-200 euro's, Cedega costs me about 50 euro's a year, so I can use it for 3 years before it starts to cost more. It isn't perfect, not all games run and sometimes it takes some work to get a game up and running. But it's good enough so I don't need a dual boot system for it. I can now join in for a "quick" game of BF:Vietnam without closing my browser, my editor, my 4 SSH termi
  • Isn't "Linux Gaming" an oxymoron, sort of like "Windows Security"?
  • Like many of the posters in this thread, I have also tried WineX/Cedega a number of times in the past few years. While it does work for a few games, it's nowhere near the level needed for true gaming on the Linux platform.

    My wife was using Cedega to play Zoo Tycoon last night in fact, I needed Linux to be up for some other work I was doing. Unfortunately, about 1 hr into the game it crashed for some unknown reason. Also, it didn't help that the text boxes were unledgable and all the dollar amounts were in

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