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XBox 360 Redefining the Console? 115

Posted by Zonk from the shift-the-para-digm dept.
Game Girl Advance has up an editorial arguing that, in effect, Microsoft has already won the next round in the console wars by shifting the battlefield. Looking at Gamasutra's rundown on the 360's multimedia and Live components, its easy to see why jane says that the 360 isn't really a console anymore. From the article: "Xbox 360 does not compete with Sony or Nintendo. It is not a gaming console. It is a powerful device to deliver content online and over WiFi. Microsoft's real competition is Apple, Yahoo, and Google. Apple's movie-download service. Yahoo's retail channels. Google's - well, everything. Heck, throw Comcast and TiVo in there for good measure. The games are merely a means to an end - an 'instant-on revenue to support an exponential expansion into the living room,' as Eric put it over an IM chat we had."
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  • Wasn't this said about the PSP? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by ReKleSS ( 749007 ) <rekless@fastmail.COUGARfm minus cat> on Saturday May 14, 2005 @05:40PM (#12531588)
    The PSP has movie playing capabilities, wifi, and a bunch of other non-gaming features as well... but wasn't that held against it, instead of being thought of as revolutionary? Time will tell, I guess...
    -ReK

    • Re:Wasn't this said about the PSP? (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      It's been said about every console since the 3DO.

      Even the original Nintendo was originally marketed as a Robot-controlling "entertainment system" rather than as a video game system.

      • Re:Wasn't this said about the PSP? (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward
        The NES was only labelled an "entertainment system" to distance it from the previous gaming systems (which led to the video game crash).

    • Re:Wasn't this said about the PSP? (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      The PSP has a problem. Or a few.

      1) It's more expensive than the DS and has lower battery life. I count that as one point, yes.
      2) Memory cards are pricy for the amount they can store on them
      3) UMDs can be purchased, but you can't use them anywhere else but the PSP (and its small screen, relative to a TV).

      Xbox360 says:

      1) Don't know. Probably comparable to other consoles.
      2) Not only will it stream from your computer and its harddrive (more space / $), but the attachable harddrive is probably going to be mor

      • Re:Wasn't this said about the PSP? (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        1. You don't know.
        2. You'll need Windows and extra money to do that.
        3. The Xbox 360 will not play from iPods, stupid. It will only play from Windows Media Player players that nobody owns because they suck.
    • To be more specific, it was held against it on slashdot. However, this is because it fell foul of two of the most sacred orthodoxies:

      1) Only Nintendo can ever be innovative.
      2) Multi-functionality is a *bad* thing.

      Will be interesting to see which of these lines win out of Nintendo ever produce a multi-functional console. Will this be an innovative *bad* thing?

      If you want to respond to this post, please make sure you reference at least two of the following:

      1) The battery life of the PSP. Make this as low
    • Sure if you overlook that it only played DRM music, had a poor battery life and most of its games were ports.

  • Can anyone say WebTV? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Deaper ( 659229 )
    Microsoft often takes utter failures and tries to remake them into something successful. The Xbox 360 looks like they're repackaging webtv. However I must confess, it looks like this time they may be getting it right. I do plan on buying one and no not just for the games. Although I've been waiting quite a while for PD Zero.
    • I understand that the XBox 360 will not ship with a standalone browser, so no WebTV functionality.
    • I don't know, it's not just Microsoft, every other company that tried a sort of webtv kind of device has failed dismally. If this is really their strategy I think they're going to die on the market.

      Which is a shame; I LIKE the Xbox, it's one of the only things that Microsoft has done right.

      • Re:Can anyone say WebTV? (Score:1, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward
        But apart form the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
      • Probably because webTV in the past has always been done at 400 lines of resolution -- which looks like crap.

        at 1080i, or 720p ... you're pretty much at the resolutions that most people have their monitors set to anyway.

        Throw in a wireless keyboard and you've got 90% of the average home's PC usage on the 360. Slide shows, movies, music, browsing, email, IM (w/voice) & games.

        webTV before has been a one-trick pony. Now it'd look just about as good as your desktop, and be a natural extension of a box y
  • Apple hasn't even announced a movie download service yet (albiet everybody and their brother has speculated they eventually will), and they're allready being cast as the company to beat. I love it.

  • Looks great (Score:4, Interesting)

    by aCapitalist ( 552761 ) on Saturday May 14, 2005 @05:45PM (#12531624)
    I'm sure I'll be getting one. Besides the very impressive hardware specs (is this where we get real-time Toy Story?), I like the builtin Wifi. It should've been done in the original Xbox. I don't know about you guys, but I don't have Cat5 running through my house, and I'm not going to setting up my Xbox next to my router. Wireless controllers are nice too.

    I like the idea of my gaming box being part of a whole multimedia system. I'd be worried if I was Sony and Nintendo, but at the end of the day Microsoft has to get the games out. I still wish I had gotten a PS2 just for the sheer number of games on it.

    Oh, and is this thing going to be backward-compatible with Xbox1?

    • Re:Looks great (Score:1, Informative)

      by timford ( 828049 )
      Actually the WiFi won't be built in, it will be an addon which you'll have to purchase separately.

      And MS hasn't said whether it will be backward-compatible with Xbox, but it's not likely. The vastly different platforms means it would be a significant technological achievement for them to put in backward compatibility, and if this capability was in the plans I'm pretty sure they would have announced it.

      • Re:Looks great (Score:5, Insightful)

        by badasscat ( 563442 ) <basscadet75@yah[ ]com ['oo.' in gap]> on Saturday May 14, 2005 @10:35PM (#12533166)
        Actually the WiFi won't be built in, it will be an addon which you'll have to purchase separately.

        Which is the whole problem with this article (or at least the summary of it - I'm following the /. tradition and not actually R'ing TFA).

        The Xbox 360 is basically more of the same of the original Xbox. There's nothing revolutionary about it. It's got built-in Ethernet - just like Xbox 1. It's got Xbox Live - just like Xbox 1. It can act as a Windows Media Center Extender - just like Xbox 1. It can play DVD's - just like Xbox 1. It can play music - just like Xbox 1.

        True, some of these things cost extra on Xbox 1, and they'll be built into the Xbox 360. Then again, the Xbox 1 currently costs $149, while the Xbox 360 will likely cost $300 or more at launch. So for the moment, it's a wash.

        People always say how the new consoles will "revolutionize" entertainment, computing, or whatever else. It's been going on for 20 or more years, back when the Intellivision was promised to have a computer component available for it and everybody thought that would finally bring PC's to the masses. Well, that didn't happen, but we still have this same exact conversation every time a new console is announced. It's going to do this or that beyond playing games, it's going to revolutionize one medium or another, and blah blah blah.

        In the end, it always seems to come down to the fact that it plays games a little better than before and has a little bit better graphics than the systems that came before. That's it.

        I expect this to be just as true of the Xbox 360 as any other console. I was almost completely underwhelmed by the MTV unveiling, which seemed to show me nothing much that the current Xbox couldn't do other than playing games in HD (which requires a lot more CPU horsepower to support that 1920x1080 resolution, and no doubt that's why the games themselves don't really look much better... they're just physically bigger).

        It's almost sad that it takes an apparently fan-made video [onefed.com] to show us something truly new and revolutionary; something that I think we've all been waiting for, but will probably still not happen for quite a few years. (This video's been floating around for the past few days and making some pretty big waves; IGN says it's fake without citing a source, I'm still not sure myself.)

        The Xbox 360, though, is basically just following the same pattern every other new system ever has... more of the same, just slightly better, and allowing the manufacturer to again charge a price premium. It's no revolution. (No pun intended.)
    • Well.. they have to leave some announcements for E3. And i hope a "Yes" will be it.

    • I'll buy an XBox 360 on the contingency that Microsoft stops selling Office. Deal?

    • but I don't have Cat5 running through my house, and I'm not going to setting up my Xbox next to my router. Wireless controllers are nice too.

      I've spoken to a fellow gamer about wireless controllers and he didn't like them. He's tried various models on his Xbox including Mad Katz and Logitech and found them all quite laggy. Combine that with the need to recharge batteries, and the wireless controllers might well turn out to be a gimmick that people end up hating.

      • He didn't like them because he never tried a Wavebird.
        • Seriously. Also, 1st party controllers rarely = thrid party.
        • I have the Logitech controller for XBox and IMHO it's better to the Wavebird in every way. Easier to hold, better layout and rumble effect. I guess the one point where the Wavebird wins is battery; but since the Logitech lasts a couple of months per battery set that isn't really a problem for me.

          And just FYI, I played through about half of Ninja Gaiden with that controller (the first part I played with the standard controller). If it's possible to play through NG without noticing any lag then I think it's
      • I have a wireless Logitech for my PS2. I haven't noticed any delays and I usually have a spare battery or two around. I can't speak for their Xbox stuff but their (and hopefully other) wireless controllers aren't very gimmicky, in my opinion.
      • My Wavebird for GameCube and the new Logitech controller for PS2 are both superb.
    • I don't mind the extra ability to have wifi for network, but I really hope it has a wired equivilant for internet access as well. Currently my wifi network is setup so that to do anything other than talk to the computers on the wireless ethernet you need an openvpn client and certificate...something makes me think the xbox won't have a built in openvpn client....so if it doesn't have a wired ethernet port, I for one am not going to open my ethernet up to wifi access just so an xbox can get onto xbox live.

    • I'm tired of theoretical specs. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by SetupWeasel ( 54062 ) on Saturday May 14, 2005 @10:47PM (#12533229) Homepage
      Besides the very impressive hardware specs (is this where we get real-time Toy Story?)

      I'm very sick of companies announcing theoretical specs. The current XBOX can manage about 10% of the 100 million theoretical polygon count in an actual game. The new XBOX can do 500 million! OOOOOOH! Maybe we'll see 50 million polygons in an actual title, but honestly, I won't hold my breath.

      Here is my challenge to every company at E3: Show me something that could not be done this generation. I'm not talking micropayments. That would only take a simple software upgrade. I'm not talking a larger world or more enemies on screen. Again this could be done with simpler worlds or enemies in current consoles. I'm talking about games that are fundamentally different because of the new hardware. Like the difference between Mortal Kombat and Virtua Fighter.

      I want to know why I need to pay for new hardware to play your new games. Pie in the sky theoretical bullshit and pointless processor speeds ain't going to get it done this time.
      • The latest MK is pretty similar to VF.
      • Ok, how about Test Drive: Unlimited, where they mapped 500 sq km of a hawaiian island with gps and all players in the game are in a persitant world with up to 100 other players per zone, they can create their own races easily and you can zoom all the way out and see the entire island being rendered in one shot in photo-realistic resolution. I'd say that's something that was definitely not possible on previous gen consoles.
    • Backwards compatible? Yes, looks so.

      But why doesn't you guys even consider the PS3 or Nintendo Revolution before the XBOX 360? I don't understand...

      The others will probably own the xbox 360 anyway. And also you don't have to support Microsoft plus give them one more dominant position.

  • No they havn't (Score:5, Insightful)

    by FidelCatsro ( 861135 ) <fidelcatsro@NOSPAm.gmail.com> on Saturday May 14, 2005 @05:54PM (#12531682) Journal
    No matter what your console extras have , And i predict the PS 3 will offer many of the same features as the Xbox 360 , The overridding succes factor is still based on two things , how cool your console is (draw in the casual crowd) and the quality of your games .
    The Xbox 360 has not even come close to wining on either front , Most of the buzz i hear from my freinds is not about the multi media capabilties its about having a rocking new version of Grand theft auto or other "Cool" titles.
    People buy consoles to play games , they may enjoy the extra stuff like DVD playing and music play-back but the over-riding fansination is still to have some great games you can play alone or have a few freinds over for a game and some beers.

    the buzz i do hear recently has mostly been about the PSP or the DS , mainly arguments over "nostaliga about the old game & whatch " vs a Playstation you can carry around.

    People do not buy a console based on what ever else it can do , they buy it for the games .No ammount of media hype will change that , The average man dosn't need or want a multi media soloution they want something to waste a few hours on
    when they get a chance to play some "wicked cool" game that they can later thrash their freinds at.

    • Re:No they havn't (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Heh. Tell that to someone who has a poorly concieved 50" TV nook over the gas fireplace. The xbox360 appears as if it will solve quite a few problems for me.

      And game wise, Madden 2006, Halo.

      The other thing that's enticing is the ability to goto a friends house, or invite a bunch of friends over to yours, hookup xboxes with TVs/computer monitors in other rooms, and have a pretty big force on force party.

      Next year would be the time to live in a dorm. I thought our local DooM, RoTT, and Quake matches wer
      • Madden 2006, Halo?

        That's the thing I'm most looking forward to in the next console generation - sequels of stale games with marginally better graphics.
    • I posted this a few days ago. I am going to bring this up everytime some article declares Xbox the automatic winner for coming out 1st.

      History of 1st one out of the gate....

      8-bit era - Nintendo - good
      16-bit era - TurboGrafx16 - no good
      32-bit era - 3D0 - no good
      64-bit era - Jaguar - no good
      128-bit era - Dreamcast - no good

  • Once more, that's a big fat no. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by silentbobdp ( 157345 ) on Saturday May 14, 2005 @05:56PM (#12531689) Homepage
    No matter what kind of features it has - and I'm very interested in the new Live stuff - without awesome games, it's no go.

    I work in retail; I spend 8 hours a day 5 days a week selling these things. As soon as we start talking about it a customer asks me what's the difference between the Xbox and the Xbox 360.

    And based on the games I've seen, I don't know what to tell them - DoA 4 looks exactly the same as DoAU on the current box, Perfect Dark isn't even in the textured stage yet (wtf have they been doing for the past 5 years), Kameo doesn't look a generational leap better...

    People aren't gonna pay 300$ just so they can pay 2$ to download new cars in Forza while playing games that don't do anything new.
    • Tell them games will have the details missing in the past. Grass and leaves instead of flat ground. Detailed hair on characters. Enough texture memory to almost make photo-realism come true. Crowds will have fewer clones in them. Explosions can actually rip into deformable terrain, or blow apart objects without so much fakery.

      The release games almost never look as great as those three years into the cycle.
    • Gaming-Age forums stickied; Tecmo is pretty pissed at the leak and has requested we remove all the pictures from the site. So please don't post these in any thread. They said the pictures didn't come from them and aren't official. There was mention of legal action being pushed if we didn't comply. I probably shouldn't say anything more than that on it. It's just best to remove them and it would help if the forum would comply with this request. It's still Pre E3. Wait before spouting :/
    • DoA 4 looks exactly the same as DoAU on the current box,

      How do you sell videogames while being blind? :D

      (Ignoring the fact the pics apparently aren't DOA4 anyway, the clothing alone is light-years beyond what DOAU offered. The character lighting is too - they self-shadow, for example.)
      • the clothing alone is light-years beyond what DOAU offered. The character lighting is too - they self-shadow, for example.

        And you have just proven the OP's point for him...

        because we all know that what makes a new game system worth buying is better looking clothing.

        (I'm being serious - if you think any of this stuff matters to anybody but the dorkiest 13 year old kid who's got nothing else to brag about to his junior high school friends, then I don't know what to tell you.)

        FWIW, I wasn't impressed by
        • I didn't say it changes gameplay. I said it looks better - and it does. The original post suggested DOA4 looks identical to DOA2U, which is nonsense. Even just the higher resolution is a big change.

          The shots were actually more impressive the more I looked at them. It's all the little details. In particular the hair physics are extremely amazing visually (an opponent's hand will part the hair realistically, for example). None of this offers a new gameplay experience (if you buy DOA4 it's because you want a

  • Jeff Minter's a happy bunny (Score:3, Interesting)

    by philj ( 13777 ) on Saturday May 14, 2005 @06:14PM (#12531797)
    He's got his project, Neon [llamasoft.co.uk] in the firmware.
  • How can they think that because XBox360 has those types of capabilities that the console wars are no more? Do you think Sony isn't going to reply in kind? And who has more potential multi-media content that can be instantly brought to the console? Last I knew, Microsoft did not own a movie studio and a music label.

    Nintendo will continue to go their own (very different) way, but I think this console war between MS and Sony is just getting interesting. MS was fighting at a huge disadvantage with the XBo

    • Last I knew, Microsoft did not own a movie studio and a music label.

      You're right. Microsoft doesn't own one record label; it 0wns all four. Specifically, Microsoft owns the Windows Media DRM platform (sold under the "playsforsure" certification mark); just about every online music store except iTMS is compatible.

      • Specifically, Microsoft owns the Windows Media DRM platform (sold under the "playsforsure" certification mark); just about every online music store except iTMS is compatible.

        And collectively they have about 10% of the market. So none of this means much.

        Sony's rumored to be in talks with Apple right now to build some sort of iTunes functionality into the PS3. I sort of doubt this - they've been competing with Apple in the DAP market otherwise - but if they did this, it'd pretty much blow away anything

        • And collectively [the WMA music stores] have about 10% of the market.

          Another 10% being MP3 downloads from eMusic.com, MP3Tunes.com, etc., right? Besides, as people find that they can play music on a console that they already own for games, they'll be more likely to buy music from playsforsure stores.

          Sony's rumored to be in talks with Apple right now

          Where would a Sony-Apple deal leave Warner, Universal, and EMI?

          up to this point nobody ever, ever uses a game console for anything but playing games

  • Which is it? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by DarkGamer20X6 ( 695175 ) on Saturday May 14, 2005 @06:24PM (#12531847)
    So, is Microsoft competing with Nintendo and Sony, or is it not? You can't say that Microsoft's changed the battlefield, that they're now no longer competing with Nintendo and Sony, and then say "the console wars are over."

    Of course they're still competing with Nintendo and Sony. Yes, the 360 has some impressive specs. Yes, it's got some fancy new features. Is it still a console? Um... yes. So, it's going to compete with the Revolution and the PS3.

    Microsoft's been talking about merging the PC and console gaming markets for a while now, and the X-Box 360 definitely shows that. So, it has a slightly different focus than the Revolution or the PS3, but it's still a console, and it's still aimed towards console gamers (among others, to be sure).

    As far as winning the console wars? I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets tired of hearing that about systems that haven't even hit the market yet. Can we please stop saying that some piece of machinery has won a battle that hasn't even begun?
  • The only reason they said all that stuff is for a fallback excuse when they get beaten in the console war. Are they really trying to say that playing games on that machine is secondary... I find that quite apalling.
  • It won't have tv recording capabilities.Although it is being rumored to send hd programming through the service - neither economical nor convenient (my bandwidth ain't big enough).

  • Astroturfing (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 14, 2005 @07:13PM (#12532128)
    is not news.

    • Re:Astroturfing (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The parent post isn't redundant, moderators. A week after the "release", with no one actually owning one of these things, and suddendly we get these orgasmic reviews of how the new XBox will fucking destory the world? Get real.

  • I hate to threadjack, but can anyone verify if the Nintendo ON video is real or fake? It's production values seem quite high for someone with too much time. If it's true, the new system will be virtual reality, proximity sensing. Neato.

    torrent link is here: http://www.torrentspy.com/download.asp?id=293150 [torrentspy.com]

    • ### I hate to threadjack, but can anyone verify if the Nintendo ON video is real or fake?

      Its definitvly not real, first of the VR stuff just seems way to fantastic to be real, secondly the presented device clearly violates the specs that Nintendo has given out just a few days ago. The Revolution should have a size of around three DVD boxes, that VR-toaster however is quite a bit larger than that.

      The castle demo in the beginning however looks pretty realistically for a techdemo, somewhat similar to the Mar
      • That's what is confusing me too, this is just WAY too good to be a fake. We're not talking photoshopped mockups here, this would take even a group of people A LOT of time to do, and even then seems like a lot of trouble to go and you don't even spread it around to a lot of places. The only thing I can think of is maybe a company used i as a demo reel type thing in order to get a contract from Nintendo? I would think no company would risk faking this and releasing it due to lawyers.

        It does seem like a lot

        • We're not talking photoshopped mockups here, this would take even a group of people A LOT of time to do, and even then seems like a lot of trouble to go and you don't even spread it around to a lot of places.

          It looks a bit like a normal demo. I bet quite a lot of the normal demo folk would be able to throw something like that together.

          Besides it looks more like it will be an accessory to the GC and Revolution rather than the Revolution itself. There is even a picture of it being connected to two boxes wh
      • what the hell is that thing in there anyways? Some type of toaster/football helmut/emergency snail shell?

        Wow that makes the first xbox look nice.

    • Re:Nintendo Revolution? (Score:4, Informative)

      by still_sick ( 585332 ) on Sunday May 15, 2005 @01:06AM (#12533840)
      This has been confirmed as fake.

      The Google-Translated version of the original Message Board [google.com] - shows the creater of the vid.

      Also, there's an IGN claiming it's a hoax that I can't seem to find ATM. But it doesn't give any reasoning, just says "it's fake".

  • The PS3 could ship in the same timeframe as the new XBox. Just because Microsoft made a paper release this week means very little strategically in the long term.

    BTW, who pays Game Girl Advance's bills? It'd be interesting to know.

  • Doesn't this thing seem incredably simular to the PSX? Except that's it's based on a new game platform instead of an existing one, it seems virtually the same. And we all know how well the PSX worked out... Obviously I expect the XBox360 to turn out at least a bit better than that, but I don't see people using it for much more than what they use Xbox's, Playstions, and Gamecubes for now: Playing Video Games. All the other crap isn't really nessicary.
    • Yes but the 360 is being released in the US where there are more foolish consumers, or at least I thats what I think. The PSX was basically too much too soon...and not really needed. Until it is actually cost effective for a gamer to get an 360 over a computer or what not it won't really "sell like hotcakes". All-in-one media centers are really only good if it is cost effective or very convienent.
    • I don't see people using it for much more than what they use Xbox's, Playstions, and Gamecubes for now: Playing Video Games. All the other crap isn't really nessicary.

      speak for yourself. have you ever heard of the xbox media center? and wasn't the psx over $800?
  • Huh?

    I love people who base their product evaluations on competing technology that doesn't even exist yet.

    I think XBox 360 wil be greater than the immersive virtual sex machine Larry Flint is selling.

  • heck YEAH (Score:3, Informative)

    by interiot ( 50685 ) on Saturday May 14, 2005 @08:40PM (#12532575) Homepage
    Heck YEAH we're moving towards revoluationary. To summarize:
    • XBox Media Center [xboxmediacenter.com] - can decode 480p
    • mini iMac - can decode 780p, but no surround sound output
    • XBox 360 + XBox Media Center = maybe decode 1080i, with surround sound output, plus it's smaller to boot, and includes WiFi by default
    Eventually, geeks are going to have some very hackable off-the-shelf device that serves as their Media Center, and is powerful enough to decode whatever codec they desire. A mass-produced appliance will simply be smaller and cheaper than something you can build yourself. If XBox 360 fulfills this role, then that's something worth celebrating.
    • mini iMac - can decode 780p, but no surround sound output

      Two corrections:

      1. It's 720p, not 780... and actually 1080i works fine for me running EyeTV on the 1.42 GHz mini. Seriously.

      2. Surround sound can be done with the mini via USB with third-party devices.
    • XBox 360 + XBox Media Center = maybe decode 1080i, with surround sound output, plus it's smaller to boot, and includes WiFi by default

      No, it doesn't include wi-fi, that's optional (as has been pointed out several times).

      Also, I think you're confusing the Xbox Media Center (which is a hack) with the Xbox Media Center Extender. The Media Center Extender will obviously decode 1080i, as that is the whole point of the Xbox 360.

      I doubt there will ever be a hacked Media Center like the one for the current Xbo
  • These are the kind of reviews that MS is banking on to monopolize the home console market. They got their foot in the door with X-Box, losing money on the venture largely because they wanted to gain market share. They'll also underprice 360, and this time they'll be the first out of the gate. If I were Microsoft and I thought I could get away with it, I'd price these as low as possible, to the point where Sony and Nintendo can't compete with similar specs.
  • Reminds me of what Nokia said about N-Gage. How very well that went.

  • Content Delivery (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Captain Rotundo ( 165816 ) on Sunday May 15, 2005 @12:20AM (#12533646) Homepage
    people see marketing-speak like "content delivery" and see right through it. I've seen dozens of ideas and products promising total home content delivery services, it basically is another way to charge for something you don't want or already have/can get.

    This generation will be won the way all the others were won, games. people buy consoles because they want consoles. I personally only have a gamecube from the current gen ) first to go to 99$ :) so I am not the best predictor, but with that caveat I will say at least in the US if MS can deliver on the games it will be an interresting fight for sony to keep the mindshare. Nintendo is pretty much pigeonholed as a "kiddy" system unless they come out of the box with something really stunning .

  • hEr3 we go (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Tsuminaoshi ( 882018 )
    I agree with Nintendo's statement... XBOX jumped the gun on releasing this bad boy, while PS3 and Revolution sit back, jack their tech and find little things to beat it in the year or so that they have left to tweak... 360 was probably some clever egomaniacle quip for running circles around the competition, but i think it's going to end up standing for MSX being left in the dust spinning their wheels... Hell, a few mods and add-ons and the PSP competes completely with the thing.

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