Halo 2 World Tourney Finals - Aussie Champ's View 115
Remorhaz writes "Some of you may be aware that the finals of the Worldwide Halo 2 tourney over Xbox Live was held on Friday night (10th June) with the 24 Xbox Live Region winners duking it out for ultimate glory. I was there with Cabel (the Australian representative), his brother and Pidge from Microsoft Australia to play the finals - Cabel made it to the grand final round - but didn't take first place unfortunately (congrats to King Tuur from the Netherlands) - but he's done us Aussies extremely proud :) Here's Remorhaz' "writeup of an insider's view of Australia's Halo 2 representative - Cabel's progress to the finals and the night's events at Australian Microsoft HQ."
just when i thought i could sleep. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Cool... (Score:1, Funny)
First Comment on... Halo? (Score:1)
Re:First Comment on... Halo? (Score:2)
This gives me faith in gamers (Score:3, Insightful)
It really is a nice sight to see what real gamers around the world can come together for actual GAMING
Hats off to you guys.
Re:This gives me faith in gamers (Score:1)
Re:This gives me faith in gamers (Score:1)
Re:Halo2 (Score:1)
Re:Halo2 (Score:2)
Of course. Especially if you have the transmissions encrypted as they should be.
Encoding, transmission, and decoding in both directions takes a significant hit on your latency.
Not to mention that the compression schemes that wireless often uses increases the delays in what you see and react to.
If you want to do better in online FPS gaming, you need to ditch wireless.
Re:Halo2 (Score:2)
Like real sports, I guess.
So let me get this straight (Score:2)
Can you use your own controller? (Score:4, Funny)
It's so bad.
Re:Can you use your own controller? (Score:1)
For enhanced high speed button pushing.
A glove controller? (Score:5, Funny)
Seriously.
Bunny hopping (Score:2)
Yeah, but you would end up bunny hopping around like a maniac
What's so bad about Jazz Jackrabbit again?
Math is hard, so are console games.. (Score:4, Funny)
I've played PC games for over half my life and I still can't grasp controlling a FPS on a console. I'm sure any awards that were given out were well deserved.
Re:Math is hard, so are console games.. (Score:2, Funny)
I've tried that... Not as hard as you thing. I just feel sorry for the next guy that drives.
Re:Math is hard, so are console games.. (Score:2)
Re:Math is hard, so are console games.. (Score:3, Funny)
I see. Now thats MUCH more sensible
Re:Math is hard, so are console games.. (Score:1)
Dual Analog
Main stick controls actual movement (like the WASD on the keyboard), and the right analog stick controls turning left/right and aiming.
Re:Math is hard, so are console games.. (Score:2)
Re:Math is hard, so are console games.. (Score:1)
Re:Math is hard, so are console games.. (Score:1)
Re:Math is hard, so are console games.. (Score:1)
180 (Score:1)
Using a joypad you take 2 seconds to do a 180, with a mouse it's under 0.2 - of course you can't compete.
Shouldn't you be able to press in on the aiming stick (assuming ps2 style L3/R3 buttons) to do a 180 degree turn?
Re:Math is hard, so are console games.. (Score:1)
That's because CS and UT are designed for the mouse and keyboard, so they favor it. You can't compare PC controls and console controls using a PC game without being biased. The only accurate test would be to design a game that equally caters to the M&K player and the dual analog player, but that would be nearly impossible.
Re:Math is hard, so are console games.. (Score:1)
There's your problem. I've yet to see a dual analog hater that's been playing PC and console FPSs for the same amount of time. It's always hardcore PC gamers who can't seem to figure out how to use their thumbs. Not to say that dual-analog is better, but I've never seen anyone with an unbiased opinion. My roommate started out on Halo, and he can't stand mouse and keyboard.
Re:Math is hard, so are console games.. (Score:1)
Re:Math is hard, so are console games.. (Score:1)
Yeap. I started out playing FPS's on consoles. I've since played some on the Pc too and have had a hard time adapting to a mouse and keyboard.
I will say this, the PC FPS's allow for more accuracy. But I think that is due more to the much higher screen resolutions and frame-rates that you can get with a
Re:Math is hard, so are console games.. (Score:1)
Re:Math is hard, so are console games.. (Score:1)
No, this shouldn't be on front page (Score:2)
Oh of course, loads of us. There was a world wide Rise of the Triad competition the other day too.
Timothy, don't turn into a Michael and put stupid shit like this on the front page.
Re:No, this shouldn't be on front page (Score:2)
Strangely enough, I still have ROTT on my gaming box.
Quake3 Arena was pretty much ROTT with better graphics.
Nothing to see here...move along, move along.
Re:No, this shouldn't be on front page (Score:2)
Of course, thankfully, she's addicted to Quake3 now.
Re:No, this shouldn't be on front page (Score:1)
Kinda Lame (Score:2, Interesting)
Kinda ruins the whole thing when you can't trust that the people who should have been at the top actually were.
Re:Kinda Lame (Score:1)
Re:Kinda Lame (Score:4, Informative)
Try the http://csports.net/ [csports.net] forums for example.
You can see how ranking is figured out there.
Once how the rankings are computed is understood it's easy to get to a very high ranking as long as you understand and implement it better than most other people. (tracking down higher rated players and catch them on a losing team and then joining the winning team is one of the most useful tactics to boost stats regardless of the specific ranking system).
As far as ranking, being the better player is more difficult than figuring out how to trick ranking systems into thinking that you're a better player.
Re:Kinda Lame (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Kinda Lame (Score:2, Interesting)
If you can play around with switching people on teams and starting games at the same time whe
Re:Kinda Lame (Score:2)
Article text - Server running slow (Score:2, Informative)
An insiders view of Australias Halo 2 representative - Cabel's progress to the finals.
The scene was set - it was the day of the World Halo 2 Xbox Live Championship Finals. The 24 Xbox Live Region champions had been decided and it was game on for the final series.
This was the worlds first global Xbox Live Halo 2 tournament and the final series was being decided by a playoff on Xbox Live. The global championship rounds were pla
Am I weird? (Score:1)
I've never used WASD. I just place my hand on the keyboard like normal: ASDF[SPACE].
I now have... six keys I can reach with little to no stretch with my little finger without letting off of the movement buttons. Of course, I don't strafe in two directions at the same time, so that leaves at least one additional finger to press a myriad of buttons at all times as well. Plus my fingers don't feel squished into a tiny arrow key configuration.
Re:Am I weird? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Am I weird? (Score:2, Funny)
J: Jump
U: Up
D: Down
L: Left
R: Right
F: Forward
B: Backward
C: Crouch
Left Alt + S: Strafe Seft
Right Alt + S: Strafe Right
Re:Am I weird? (Score:1)
up: up arrow
down: down arrow
strafe left: left arrow
strafe right: right arrow
jump: middle click (though this depends on the game...for something like UT this works fine...but CS:S...)
Re:Am I weird? (Score:1)
Also, the keys that are further away (+, enter, and 0) are bigger, so they're pretty handy too.
Couple that
Re:Am I weird? (Score:1)
Re:Am I weird? (Score:1)
Re:Am I weird? (Score:1)
My quake3 controls are:
z: strafe left
x: strafe right
a: back
space: jump
right mouse: forward
q: select railgun
w: select RL
e: select shotgun
Allows me to play one handed, which is useful for drinking [insert favourite beverage].
All other games I use wasd though
Re:Am I weird? (Score:1)
Re:Am I weird? (Score:1)
When I say I can play one handed, I mean just for a little while, take left hand off keyboard to grab a drink, while changing direction + moving forward + firing with just the mouse
Re:Am I weird? (Score:2)
With wsad, middle finger can easily hit both forward and backward, a and d for left and right each have their finger, the thump is resting on space ready to jump and the base if the little finger rests on control, ready to crouch, while the tip can activate shift for running without
Re:Am I weird? (Score:1)
Well IMHO your config is suboptimal because you wast to fingers for farward/backward, plus the fact that giving spave to right isnt that good on most keyboards (because space usually has worse feedback when hitting non-centred).
I would argue that I can naturally react and move more fluidly though. I've done the arrow key position (which is what WASD is if I'm not mistaken), and you have to lift your finger off the W and move it to the D to change directions. I don't have to do that. It's probably not a
Re:Am I weird? (Score:2)
Then I use space for jump and control for shoot or something. Apparently some people use mice
Re:Am I weird? (Score:2)
MOUSE1: Forward
MOUSE2: Backward
MOUSE3: Alt Fire
MOUSE4: Fire
MOUSE5: Reload
Q: Strafe Left
W: Strafe Right
Re:Am I weird? (Score:1)
Mouse1: Fire
Mouse2: Forward
D: Strafe Left
F: Strafe Right
Space: Backwards
S: Jump
C: Next Weapon
E usually gets mapped to "use" or something like that.
This is how I was taught to play back in the original Doom days when I switched from gamepade to mouse. I've become extremely good at it (although I'm not as competitive as I was back in the day) but I don't know if I'd go so far as to recommend it to anyone. The hardest part was learning not to "lock up" by hitting forward
Re:Am I weird? (Score:1)
Dn:Crouch
Left:Strafe Left
Right:Strafe Right
Nearly nobody does it this way but me: the benefit is that I can do all my running around with 1 hand, and use the other hand only when I need to engage something.
Tourney (Score:2)
"Halo 2 World to compete in a tournament finals-Aussie Champ's view"
Re:Tourney (Score:2)
Re:Tourney (Score:2)
Re:Tourney (Score:2)
But well done to the guy , It would be interesting to see how well he could hold up against someone with a keyboard mouse combo though.
Apologies again
Goddamn kids stealing names... (Score:1)
*sigh*
Mind you, I'd had the nickname inflicted on me before pokemon [tdsb.on.ca].
fuck progress (Score:1, Troll)
Re:Halo kills children (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Halo kills children (Score:1)
Re:Halo kills children (Score:1)
*airquote gesture*
death
match
*airquote gesture*
Hhehehehehahahahah pure comedy gold. Can't you people recognize sarcasm?
could have been? (Score:1)
Oh, but he was working for the government. He just didn't know it. If I recall correctly, various violent video games are used by the military as traning devices. I know it's an argument usually used by anti-violence folks, but in this case it just blows a hole in part of an argument, so.... all good, right?
Re:could have been? (Score:1)
Einstein's Pinball (Score:1)
I bet the man could've made some damn fine pinball machines, which could have led to many happy hours of pinball.
But since he didn't go with the pinball thing, he instead contributed to the development of nuclear weapons. Which do you suppose brings more joy to the world?
Re:good PC UI not alwasy == good game UI (Score:5, Interesting)
That's silly. Any experienced gamer uses a large mousepad and sets the sensitivity so that moving to the left or right edge of the pad == 180 degree turn. It's common sense. No lifting of the mouse is necessary. If it is, then the sensitivity is not set correctly.
2) Out of fingers error. With a keyboard and mouse, you aim with the mouse, meaning one hand, and all its fingers, can only access, 2-3 buttons.(Scrollwheels help with this a lot though) Usually these are shoot,change weapon and other. Meanwhile your other fingers, usually 2-3, are stuck on WASD for moving. If you want to crouch, reload, zoom, jump or perhaps change weapon reverse, you will need to do some keyboard gymnastics, look down, or (horror of horrors) stop moving to press other buttons. On a DJC, one thumb is used for movement, the other for aiming. Flipper pads mean four buttons are easily reachable by two more fingers, and the dpad and other buttons are acessable by a nimble other if required. Bottom line. You can keep moving while you perform on the fly weapon maitainance. DJC has a lot more buffer space for out of fingers errors.
Again silly. Good gamers don't usually use WASD. It's not the natural typing position and limits the number of keys that can be used without moving the hand. Gamers that need a lot of keys use ESDF because they never have to look at the keyboard because there's usually a divit on the F key to keep the person from losing position. Using the home typing position, 28 keys are available without moving the left hand out of standard typing postion.
3) Mouse Error, Error. Most comupter mice are fairly cheap anyaway. Mice get junk in the wheels. Even optical mice glitch from time to time. Buttons sometimes get stuck, and of course hands may slip or be jostled from time to time. The average DJC is of a higher quaility than the average mouse and suffers far less from any of these problems.
meh, I don't want to bite on that hook.
4) Keyboard limitations Open up a text editor. Press and hold E. Without letting go hold C. Now while holding, tap U. See the problem? Now try W,D and E. E will not register. Try WAQ. There are umpteen other combinations. Keyboards can't handle many multiple keydown combinations. DJC can.
More trolling. Cheap keyboards only register 3 keys pressed at one time. You know that. Spending more than $15USD more often than not gets a keyboard that can handle more than 3 keys at at time.
{SNIP REST OF BS}
Re:good PC UI not alwasy == good game UI (Score:1, Informative)
A keyboard + mouse is 10x better than a silly x-box controller for FPS games.
More accurate, faster, better ability for custom controls, and just all around better.
I use a nice mouse and keyboard... but quite honestly I'd take a $10 mouse and $10 keyboard for a FPS over an $80 x-box controller anyday.
1.) With a high sensativity you can still aim perfectly and you won't run out of mousemat. Winner: Keyboard and Mouse
2.) Not counting my movement, fire, and primary fire buttons: I ha
Re:good PC UI not alwasy == good game UI (Score:2)
-Can you play from four bed or couch?
Keyb/Mouse: Hell, No!
Control Pad: Yes, of course.
Control pad = absolute winner.
Re:good PC UI not alwasy == good game UI (Score:1)
I would be interested to know how you turn more than 180 degrees without lifting the mouse, for example while circle-strafing.
Re:good PC UI not alwasy == good game UI (Score:2)
I don't circle-strafe in the same direction for very long. Otherwise, I'd be dead because of my being predictable.
Keep 'em guessing.
Re:good PC UI not alwasy == good game UI (Score:2, Insightful)
Any experienced gamer uses a large mousepad
As a fairly experienced (and ranked in UT at one time in 2001) gamer, I can tell you that any gamer worth his tag uses a trackball. There is nothing better for FPS. The control you get from one by simply moving your fingers is far superior than what you'll ever get by moving even just your wrist, never mind the whole arm.
Re:good PC UI not alwasy == good game UI (Score:2)
There are plenty of trackball players that I personally know that are well matched up with mouse players.
I didn't mention it because the Bridge Fellow was talking about mice and I have been a mouser since the Doom mouse patch (IIRC, v1.2).
Re:good PC UI not alwasy == good game UI (Score:2)
No, the moderation system took care of that.
Correcting misinformation from Trolls is a good idea, especially when it is disguised as 'very informative' on a user moderated web forum.
By highlighting such information from a Troll (at least on Slashdot), you give moderators much more of an idea of what to do even if they aren't experts on the matter being discussed. Moderators didn
Re:good PC UI not alwasy == good game UI (Score:2)
And I thought itw as just me and Thresh who used ESDF for movement in FPSes(although I've never met him, or played him, an article he wrote on keyboard/mousing got me into using the mouse)...
Everytime I see the default setup for an FPS, it's always WASD. What the fuck is up with that?
WSAD stands for (Score:1)
Everytime I see the default setup for an FPS, it's always WASD. What ... is up with that?
We Suck At Deathmatch.
Re:good PC UI not alwasy == good game UI (Score:1)
Yes, they do. I've been to the CPL [thecpl.com] to watch them play. Most FPS gamers at the CPL use the standard WASD. As a matter of fact, I've won at CPL using WASD to play HALO.
I knew my keyboard well enough that I didn't need a "divit" to orient my fingers. Come on. A good piano player doesn't need a "divit" to find keys on the piano.
However as you were suggesting, a keyboard and mouse does have many advantages over a standard console control. Simply put, the cons
Re:good PC UI not alwasy == good game UI (Score:2)
That's why shifting over to the right one key feeds that wish. With WASD, your pinky can move to the left without you moving your whole hand. And, that pinky is then hanging over empty space when it could be used for more key presses (informational binds to alert teammates about {whatever} for example).
Come on. A good piano player doesn't need a "divit" to find keys on the piano.
Yes, but if you change
Re:good PC UI not alwasy == good game UI (Score:1)
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I actually agree with it, mouse and keyboard are horrible. You need about thirty fingers to manage to play it. With consoles you can concentrate on playing the game rather than obsessing over the controls. Also you get to play with normal people rather than obessesive gamer