The GBA's Last Stand 138
1up.com has a feature up examining the possible end of days for the Game Boy Advance. From the article: "...it would seem the end is nigh. Sony's PlayStation Portable offers PS2 level power and a beautiful screen next to GBA's humble, Super NES-quality experience. And Nintendo seems be placing its hopes on its quirky but successful two-screened DS. Rumors of a next-generation Game Boy system were crushed at E3 2005 with the unveiling of Game Boy Micro, a revised GBA selling on its stylish, compact design and beautiful (but minuscule) screen."
Obligatory fanboy comment (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Obligatory fanboy comment (Score:5, Insightful)
Good Graphics != Fun
Re:Obligatory fanboy comment (Score:1, Troll)
well, I don't know.
I might say they are not mutually inclusive. But, not mutually exclusive.
Re:Obligatory fanboy comment (Score:1)
I agree. The one thing I've loved about the GBA is that it has helped keep certain genres of games alive like side-scrolling platformers.
There's no doubt that 3D hardware can handle that form of gameplay. It's simply not considered as marketable as the high-end 3D games unfortunately.
Viewtiful Joe and Alien Hominid are good examples of side-scrollers on 3D gaming consoles. Does anyone know of many more? I believe the PS2 has some 2D RPGs but they aren't as plentiful either.
As an aside, good graphics c
Re:Obligatory fanboy comment (Score:2)
Actually, I recently bought Alien Hominid as well, off of an advert I saw -- I remembered playing the flash game on the web, thinking that it would be so much better with a PS2 controller.
Excellent 2d game.
Gradius 5 has 3d elements throughout the game, but the gameplay is all 2D, which I'm happy to say keeps to the tradition of the Gradius series.
Keep the 2d sidescroller/shooters comin!!! I'll keep buying, that's for sure.
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He's not the pilot, he's the co-pilot. The pilot is the drunk one...
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Haven't people predicted this before? (Score:2, Interesting)
But the Gameboy Advance is so cheap, and has so many games for it, that it might not die quickly. The DS, remember, has GBA compatibility, which lessens the pressure on developers to switch to the DS. Every DS sold effectively increases the Advance's user base, which may work against Nintendo the same way the
Re:Haven't people predicted this before? (Score:3, Informative)
I believe you're referring to the 7800 here. The 5200 did support 2600 games. However, you needed to buy a cartridge adapter as well as use 2600 controllers. This setup ended up costing about as much as a 2600.
Re:Haven't people predicted this before? (Score:2)
Re:Haven't people predicted this before? (Score:2)
Anyway, my point is that backward compatibility was seen as potentially hurting a console once. It could also, obviously, help it.
And that's it.
Re:Haven't people predicted this before? (Score:2)
N-Gage? I won't argue. But the Game Gear, Lynx and certainly Nomad all had really great games. And actually the GBA's SNES remakes ultimately total up to being two of the Super Mario Advance games and Link to the Past.
For my money, the reasons to own a GBA are Fire Emblem, Metroid Zero Mission, Wario Ware, and (especially) Advance Wars. None of these games are direct remakes of SNES titles. Zero Mission might be called a remake of a NES game, but it's really a lot more than that.
But my orig
No Duh (Score:1)
Still a chance (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Still a chance (Score:2)
Re:Still a chance (Score:1)
Re:Still a chance (Score:2)
Re:Still a chance (Score:2)
First off, it's a bit too expensive. I'm not going to buy an extra DS just so I can play two player games. And I'm certainly not buying four of them. Unless the price drops to twenty-thirty bucks, and I don't see Nintendo making much money that way.
Second, the lack of an analog control would be very annoying to me. The touch screen is on
Re:Still a chance (Score:2)
Re:Still a chance (Score:1)
If it had an analog stick (well, actually two), I'd think that would be great too.
But touch screen isn't as good as analog for many scenarios (although better for some -- such as aiming in a FPS).
Re:Still a chance (Score:2)
A: No. At a June 2004 analyst briefing in Japan, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata said, "We have no intention of making a two-screen console akin to the [Nintendo] DS."
http://cube.ign.com/articles/522/522559p2.html [ign.com]
Re:Still a chance (Score:2)
No analog stick, no analog shoulder buttons, not enough normal buttons, not a chance of being the mystery controller.
Re:Still a chance (Score:2)
Seriously though I don't think the new GB will be the controller but primarily because of the relative cost of it, not because of the amount of buttons it has.
Re:Still a chance (Score:2)
Nope. But the GBA has a grand total of two buttons and two shoulder buttons. More buttons != better games, but 4 buttons != adequate.
Re:Still a chance (Score:2)
Seriously though, why would 4 buttons be inadequate? I know all the hardcore kiddies like their Quakes to require atleast the full 100+ key keyboard and a mouse but the big marketplace for Nintendo (families, children) prefer simplicity and easy-to-use (not requiring to RTFM) above quantity of buttons.
Re:Still a chance (Score:2)
Even if you can't imagine a game that needs more than four buttons, it's obvious that this would finally kill cross-platform games on the Cube. Nintendo can't afford that.
The Cube did it quite right: One main button (A), one secondary button (B), two tertiary buttons (X, Y), two analog shoulder buttons and one "make it compatible with N64"-button (Z).
Then you have the two analog sticks (most 3D games need these, one for steering the character and one for camera movem
Re:I'd rather it be the DS be the controller. (Score:2)
I guess they could make another single wireless game boy with a single screen with a touch pad,
Re:Still a chance (Score:2)
They should have replaced the GBA (Score:1)
Nintendo's release schedual speaks for itself (Score:2)
It's 5 years per console, and 10 years per handheld, with some form of experimental system launched in between.
Check here [gamezero.com] to see the chart.
Re:Nintendo's release schedual speaks for itself (Score:1)
Re:They should have replaced the GBA (Score:2)
Not quite. The DS has a significantly smaller main screen, and the second touch screen doesn't really make up for that.
I own a GBA:SP, and feel no desire to "upgrade" to a DS.
Re:They should have replaced the GBA (Score:2)
Re:They should have replaced the GBA (Score:2)
Lumi-what? (Score:1)
I don't see any decent upgrade for the GBA:SP on the market right now.
Some would claim that if you can still find a 1.50 unit, and you're in Japan or North America[1], the upgrade for the GBA SP is the SonyP SP with a GBA emulator installed. And yes, you can still play half of Luminesweeper [jk0.org] if you ditch your GBA for a PSP; you just can't play game right (the Minesweeper portion) on 1.51 or newer.
[1] Sony has donated the European market to Nintendo.
Re:They should have replaced the GBA (Score:2)
Already I tend to reach for the older GBA for use as a GCN controller.
Re:They should have replaced the GBA (Score:1)
Compared to what? Both of the DS's screens are the same size, and they're each actually a tiny bit bigger than a GBA screen. They're also both a slightly higher resolution, causing GBA games to have a small border around them. That might be the reason they seem smaller to you. GBA games are displayed on a smaller scale physically, but at the exact same resolution.
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Re:They should have replaced the GBA (Score:2)
IMO, what the GBA Micro will have on the DS is the fact that the GBA Micro will play Super Mario Land.
Re:They should have replaced the GBA (Score:2)
Price? (Score:1)
Also I hope it will be durable, built to last for years (I don't see myslef needing better graphics than GBA offers when on the go - I want simple, quick & fun games; and besides in place I live, and in settings in which I'd use GB, it's better not to use PSP...)
Uh? What? (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, and rumors of a next gen gameboy have been CRUSHED! No next gen handheld announcement at E3 2005! Nintendo's last chance ever to announce something new! It'll be impossible now!
Yes, the introduction of the Micro clearly indicates that even Nintendo is submitting to the GBA being close to the end. The huge collection of GBA games at Target show just how dire the situation is.
Make no mistake, the GBA is about to die, and Nintendo is going to die with it. So is Japan, the global economy, and several species of lizards. It's tragic.
I dunno, the article, to me at least, seems to be pointing out all the ways that the GBA is still alive and well. I don't think the
Re:Uh? What? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Uh? What? (Score:2)
Yup. The Game Boy line is done for. Pity that.
retro GBAs rule for long distance travel. (Score:2)
Older GBAs were the only ones with replenishable power supplies. Took along a boatload of AAs, and happily wasted tens of hours with Mario Golf Advance and Advance Wars. Turned out that I only had to change batteries once the entire two week trip.
Let's see your nextgen portables do that,
Re:retro GBAs rule for long distance travel. (Score:1)
Re:retro GBAs rule for long distance travel. (Score:1)
Never mind that there aren't any "system seller" games for [Sony's PSP handheld video game system] yet.
Are you taking into account Lumines? Or are you also taking into account a clone [jk0.org] on a GBA flash card [kicktrading.ca]?
Re:retro GBAs rule for long distance travel. (Score:1)
Re:retro GBAs rule for long distance travel. (Score:3, Insightful)
What ever happened to the good old plastic clip? Just press the tab and pull the lid out, replace batteries, replace lid, you're good to go. And, no anal probe from the security because you tried to carry a weapon onto the airplane (known in the rest of the world as a screwdriver).
Thanks for the opinion (Score:1, Flamebait)
Re:Uh? What? (Score:1)
misleading article summary (Score:3, Informative)
Clearly they are not predicting the demise of the GBA, rather the eventual end of that particular piece of hardware but the continuing support of the codebase.
Yea for Doom Prophets (Score:5, Insightful)
Right now, the DS is outselling the PS2 in Japan [gamespot.com]. Sure it's not a "GameBoy" in the purest sense, but it still plays GBA games and has a fairly similar design aside from the extra, touch-sensative screen.
A new online publication, The Escapist, has a column about the downfall of Nintendo [escapistmagazine.com]. It seems like everyone is always jumping on Nintendo's back dispite that they're remaining profitable dispite losing market share.
Personally, I don't think the Gameboy is dead, it's just waiting for a while before a new version comes out. Because the DS is capable of displaying graphics on par with an N64, what would any gameboy released now have to offer? The same N64 graphics without the extra screen? Nintendo could probably produce something with the same kind of power as the PSP, but why bother? It would be more expensive (because Nintendo can't afford to sell at a loss) and wouldn't improve the quality of games any.
A while ago I read an article that theorized Nintendo's next handheld would be a portable GameCube. I think this was in a magazine so you'll have to forgive me for not being able to link it. If Nintendo waits 2 or 3 years until the price to produce the hardware at a reasonable price and with a small enouch size to allow it to be portable, then this could work out really well. Add in the fact that the chip companies are starting to focus more on lowering power consumption instead of ramping up the the clock speed, and such a unit might have a decent battery life.
My main question is, why is the media so obsessed with the graphical capabilities of consoles? Sure pretty graphics can make a game that's wonderful to look at, but if it's not fun to play, what's the point of buying it? As this article [gamespot.com] points out, 3D isn't always better.
I still play a lot of GB and GBA games because they're fun and give me something to do on road trips. Not to mention that the batteries last quite a bit longer than either the PSP (4-6 hours) or the DS (6-10 hours). Not to mention the fact that a GBA game will cost anywhere from $20-$35, while DS games usually cost $30-$35 and PSP games cost $45-$50. I think the GameBoy offers a fun, affordable, and long-lasting experience that no other console or handheld will ever be able to match.
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I wouldn't call this a fair comparison. PS2 isn't portable. PS2 was launched *much* earlier than the DS. That's two arguements right there that I feel make the comparison invalid.
DS vs PSP *is* a fair comparison, and IIRC, The numbers are even better for the DS.
Re:Yea for Doom Prophets (Score:3)
Sorry for the confusion, misunderstanding, mix-up, whatever-you-want-to-call-it.
Re:Yea for Doom Prophets (Score:1)
Re:Yea for Doom Prophets (Score:4, Insightful)
Let's clarify that:
Nintendo doesnt NEED to sell it at a loss. Read this [nintendoinsider.com] and this [nintendoinsider.com]. Don't discount them for being hosted at 'nintendoinsider.com' either, they are quite factual and honest.
Here's a few clips: In the final corner, Nintendo has it much better. When the system wars began, Nintendo GameCube was actually making money for each system sold, as Nintendo didn't bother with all the extra non-gaming functions of its competitors, like DVD movie playback. The system was still making Nintendo money at $150, and it wasn't until its $99 price tag that it was estimated Nintendo was losing money - but only in the single digits.
The same goes with Nintendo DS; Nintendo has done everything possible to keep manufacturing costs down and to make a profit with each system sold. For instance, the Nintendo DS doesn't play GB and GBC games primarily because this would cost more money. Nikkei Electronics Asia also has a very interesting article on the cost control features of the Nintendo DS.
Next, we have Sony; unlike Microsoft, its games division was profitable during the most recent fiscal year. Overall, revenues were at 729.8 billion yen, or approximately $6.76 billion. Its operating profit was 43.2 billion yen, or $400 million. Still, that's over a $6 billion drop going from revenue to operating profit, and a 36.1% drop from the previous fiscal year. One of the prime instigators, says GameSpot? The PlayStation Portable launch.
And finally, we have Nintendo. Even with three systems in its hands, including a recent launch of the Nintendo DS, Nintendo's operating profit increased by 3.6% in the new fiscal year to 111.5 billion yen, or $1.03 billion. Its revenue was also 515.3 billion yen, or $4.77 billion, meaning a $3.74 billion drop from revenue to operating profit, compared to Sony's $6.36 billion drop. Quite simply, Nintendo's conservative business principles have allowed the company to turn respectable operating profits. No drop because of the DS launch or even less GCN sales here.
It's not that Nintendo can't afford to do anything, it's that they know how to make/spend money effeiciently. Through the fiscal year quoted in those articles, Nintendo (who makes JUST video games and consoles) actually made more profit than Sony AS A COMPANY (TV's, computers, other major electronics, the ps2 and the psp). I doubt that's something new for Nintendo. While they are no Microsoft, they can definately afford to do quite a bit.
Quirky but successful (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sure the GameBoy will be wiped off the map any time now, right after the Macintosh (pesky unique architecture), the iPod (inability to work with millions of competing formats), and CDs (who needs an entrenched user base when you could have 5 hojillion gigs on one fingernail).
It makes more sense to try to sell to hardcore gamers anyway, and fight for their attention from movies, mp3 players, PC titles, and pr0n; instead of the millions of children begging their parents for Pokemon. Definitely a doomed marketing strategy and business plan.
Now if you'll excuse me, I gotta catch them all . . .
Gameboy 4 (Score:2)
Re:Gameboy 4 (Score:2)
Not gonna happen. The DS is still ramping up, the GBA is still selling well, and Nintendo couldn't produce hardware which could top the PSP at a lower price. A new GB would end up in a really awkward position right now. They're gonna wait until the DS has a good, solid portion of the market (so that it can remain a viable platform despite a new GB) and until they can decisively top the PSP as far
Re:Gameboy 4 (Score:1)
Re:Gameboy 4 (Score:1)
Next year's E3?
Next year's freaking E3?
In case you didn't notice, it hasn't been exactly in Nintendo's habit of announcing next-generation, looking-good-on-paper, 50%-hype, 25%-science-fiction handhelds just after the worldwide rollout of their latest cutting-edge handheld.
I'm not buying new handhelds every damn decade! =) GameCube-Mark-Two-in-Pocket will be 2010's news...
Re:Gameboy 4 (Score:2)
"Game Boy Micro represents the latest evolution in the image of the Game Boy Advance line, but it is not a successor to any current system [yahoo.com]."
Re:Gameboy 4 (Score:1)
Because it's the DS, whether they want to lump it in with the Gameboy line or not.
So to refresh:
- DS is not the end of the GBA (in fact, it plays GBA games.)
- Micro is not a successor to the GBA (because it IS a GBA)
No mention of the real "successor" to the GBA being developed, though. I will say that I don't think there will be another Nintendo handheld platform for a lot of years. I will hazard a gue
Re:Gameboy 4 (Score:1)
Re:Gameboy 4 (Score:2)
Now you're going to tell me that the DS, which is incapable of playing GBC and GB games, is the successor to the GBA in the middle of this whole ol
Re:Gameboy 4 (Score:1)
Cost (Score:4, Interesting)
PSP: $299 new, still fraking expensive on eBay
The GBA isn't going anywhere. Anybody who considers the PSP and GBA direct competitors are idiots.
Re:Cost (Score:1)
I've seen some mangled display models of GBA and NDS yet they have still been functioning and durable. The amount of abuse they can take is directly related to their value. I can replace my son's GBA 4 times for the price of a PSP. It's not going to go away anytime soon.
Re:Cost (Score:2)
Gameboy on Amazon (used):
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00 0 05B8G1/qid=1121461204/sr=8-4/ref=pd_bbs_4/102-8200 465-4309714?v=glance&s=videogames&n=507846 [amazon.com]
The gameboy costs 16% of the PSP. IIRC games are half the price of PSP games too, especially if you pick them up used at EB or something. The PSP is also significantly larger than either the GBA or GBASP (not to mention the micro).
Wow, history repeats. (Score:2)
Or Not... (Score:2)
Or maybe not. The GBA has some real advantages going for itself:
Re:Or Not... (Score:1)
Their re-releases of old NES games was what cause me to buy it. I've played The Legend of Zelda (original NES) for the first time in many years and it was fun. I sitll have the ancient Tetris cartridge that I got with a Game Boy for Christmas the year it ca
Last Stand (Score:1)
In related news, Broadcast Networks, FM Radio, AM Radio, Compact Discs, Ozone layer, Earth all dying.
I was tempted to put FreeBSD but, it really is dying.
Doom for Nintendo (Score:3, Insightful)
Not to say the PSP is going to fall into oblivion like the Game Gear, Lynx, NGPC, Wonderswan, GP32, etc... (Sony will not let it), but Nintendo has taken on better hardware for years and released products when they saw fit (when the market was saturated).
When the GBA stops selling, then Nintendo will give us a new one.
Re:Doom for Nintendo (Score:2)
Re:Doom for Nintendo (Score:2)
Don't want a PSP (Score:5, Insightful)
A portable game machine needs to look and feel simple and sturdy. Nintendo has that down a lot better than Sony.
2D Zelda (Score:1)
In Other News: (Score:1)
Obligatory Netcraft comment (Score:2)
There... it had to be done...
Gameboy could be better, ... (Score:1)
I love a lot of the games on it, and I don't really miss 3d graphics. In most instances, 3d distracts more than it helps (makes control and viewports 4x more complicated).
One enhancement I would like to see is a standard wireless adapter with 802.11b support. It would be awesome to just be able to pull out a GBA near a hotspot and play some multiplayer games.
GBA Multiplayer is relatively underutilized as it is. Building 802.11b adapters would help give multiplayer a ni
Ironic (Score:2)
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Hopefully, but perhaps not so likely, part of that console's stated DS compatiblity will involve uploading purchased ROMs. Sort of like one would do with a PC and an MP3 player. I think that would be genius; it would definately cement a purchase of the console for myself.
Irony Poll! (Score:5, Insightful)
Which is more ironic?
Lumines (Score:1)
3. The fact that the only significant PSP-exclusive title (one that isn't a sequel to a PS2 title) is a falling block game, a 2D game that would be more at home on a GBA than on a 3D system. (And in fact, thanks to the homebrew community, it is at home on the GBA [jk0.org].)
Re:Lumines (Score:1)
The Escapist. (Score:1)
My personal rule: (Score:2)
Re:Maybe for now (Score:1)
Re:Maybe for now (Score:1)
Meteos is the Super Smash Bros. of puzzle games.
And Kirby is great too. Even after I beat the game, I come back to try to trump my own Time Trial scores. It's like a pink Sonic.
Re:Maybe for now (Score:2, Interesting)
Which would you rather do, watch a movie in 10 minute increments, or play a game in 5 minute increments.
I can dedicate my attention for small amounts of time, but to do so in a movie breaks the immersion.
Games can be about immersion, but there's a time and a place for it. That time and place is not while I'm on a bus or car ride.
Final Fantasy Bashing (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Final Fantasy Bashing (Score:1)
On a side note, can anybody reccomend a good, not turn based rpgish game for the snes other than Tales of Phantasia (which i
Re:Final Fantasy Bashing (Score:1)
Re:Final Fantasy Bashing (Score:2)
1)Seiken Densetsu 3 (The sequel to Secret of Mana)
2)Secret of Mana
3)Secret of Evermore
4)Illusion of Gaia
5)Terranigma
6)Soulblazer
7)Legend of Zelda: A Link To The Past (surely you've played this)
8)ChronoTrigger (hybrid turnbased-realtime)
Also, if you like Zelda and have access to a Playstation or PS emulator, check out Alundra, often called "the thinking man's Zelda".