J Allard Interviewed 233
malchus6 writes "J Allard, one of the Xbox honchos over at Microsoft, spent an hour in an online chat answering questions regarding the upcoming release of the 360 including some pointed questions having to do with the two different price points, no wi-fi inclusion, his opinion on HD-DVD and more..."
Revisionism at MS (Score:3, Interesting)
Q: Why even offer the core package, its seems quite useless
A: great question! the thing to remember that while we designed a no compromises game system, a huge percentage of our customers are not like the folks in this chat room. recognize that more than 75% of the folks on xbox have not played halo. by introducing the core system we are sending a signal to the market that we are committed to this part of the market just like with the xbox 360 premium bundle that we are committed to you.
J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why even offer the core package, its seems quite useless
A: the significance of this message can not be understated. many of the publishing and retail partners want our commitment to grow the market. and as you have heard from us in our press conferences and such we are very committed to growing the market.
Re:Revisionism at MS (Score:3, Insightful)
Either way, I think tha core package is a good move on their part. Whoever buys it will still have to buy accessories for it if they want to use it (controllers, games, etc). In the end, they might end up making more off those people that buy the core packet than the premium.
Re:Revisionism at MS (Score:2)
Or in other words (Score:5, Insightful)
I just find it funny that they keep talking about "growing the market" when they $300 verison comes up. Um... I thought that was what the original XBox did, by trying to into new areas for the video game market, what with the hard drive and built-in ethernet and other features traditionally associated with PC gaming. Making those things into peripherals now with the XBox 360 seems to be acknowleging that growing the market wasn't actually a good idea to begin with, and they should retreat from that and just stick to the things the un-growed, traditional console market does.
How do you "grow the market" by releasing something totally indifferentiable from the PS3? Or does "grow the market" mean "try to steal Sony's market"?
Re:Or in other words (Score:3, Insightful)
Bingo.
Re:Or in other words (Score:2)
Seriously, I was kind of excited about 360 because I always said I would wait for them to learn from their my_First_Console.exe mistakes then I'd buy in once they're a little more stable and embraced by the gaming community, but now with it going this whole Ultra-Fantabulous-Media-Robot direction, I smell too much Microsoft bundle madness to care. All the outrageous pricing troubles pr
Re:Revisionism at MS (Score:2, Insightful)
Bashing on MS is fun, but come on.
Re:Revisionism at MS (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Revisionism at MS (Score:3, Insightful)
How are they going to do savefiles? A $40 64mb memory card. That's right. Since you need the memory card, the budget system is actually only 60$ cheaper, and you loose the 20GB harddrive (100$ for a 20gb 2.5 inch harddrive isn't so horrible, $40 for a 64mb
Re:Revisionism at MS (Score:5, Interesting)
For example, out of the box, the $300 model can't save games. It doesn't have a hard drive, and it doesn't have a memory card. Compared to the xbox 360, this is most definately not BetterThanLastTime. The gist of the interview seems to be that the xbox 360 is, oddly enough, not designed for gamers.
Personally I think that every single person who buys the $300 package is going to realize they can't save, become annoyed, and purchase a memory card. If every single person is going to get annoyed and buy one, why not include one with the unit and save annoying customers?
There are many such things that are wrong with the useless $300 package. It looks to me like Microsoft is ignoring gamers (Or at least giving gamers second-seat) in favour of targeting the (possibly) broader "home entertainment appliance" market. I think this will backfire, especially with the more recent news that the PS3's "high" price might be $299, underpricing Microsoft's only out-of-box-useful package.
Out of the box (Score:3, Insightful)
Look at it this way: no matter which console you buy, you're getting a great deal - a lot of expensive hardware at well under cost. Yes, the add-ons are too expensive, but it's still an excellent deal
Re:Revisionism at MS (Score:2)
More readable format? (Score:5, Informative)
Why is there almost no proper capitalization? I mean, it's already damn near impossible to read but a five minute skim/correct session wouldn't have been too much to ask, would it?
On to the article (slight edits for format, no other changes):
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Major Nelson (Moderator): We are just about to get started
Major Nelson (Moderator): Welcome to today's chat. I am happy to have J join us for an hour to take your questions on the Xbox 360. Just to let you know, due to J's injury he does have someone typing for him, but all of the answers are directly from J himself. With that said...welcome J. Also, we already have over 1,000 questions...many of which are similar, so we'll chose the ones that are most representative of the majority of the questions.
J Allard (Expert):
A: we'll get going with the first question now....
J Allard (Expert):
Q: My question: Can Microsoft guarantee that the HDD will be fully uitilised when present or are we going to see long load times with a slow DVD unit as standard from most developers.
A: just like last generation utilization of things like xbox live and the hard drive will be up to the game designers and just like last time we expect game developers to be excited by this. we have been in clear communication for more than a year that some scenarios will include a disconnected hard drive and it has not slowed them down
J Allard (Expert):
Q: Mr. Expert, will the Xbox 360 games use the hard drive for game saves and caching like the original Xbox did?
A: absolutely. we think game designers have all kinds of innovative ideas that the hard drive will be used for. use of the hard drive is not limited to game scenarios. like xbox 1 you will be able to do things like rip and store music and don't forget about live scenarios and all the downloadable content
J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why is the hard drive so highly priced? A 20GB hard drive now a days goes for about 20-30... why $100? I believe this will deter alot of sales..
A: the 20 gb hard drive is a 2.5 inch user servicable drive and is more expense than a pc "crack the box" drive. it's one of the reasons we pushed to create a compelling premium bundle.
J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why is the hard drive so highly priced? A 20GB hard drive now a days goes for about 20-30... why $100? I believe this will deter alot of sales..
A: one of the reasons that we designed a user removable hard drive is in direct response to the hard core gaming audience to make it easier to take game saves, game maps, soundtracks, etc. easily to their friends house or lan party. they also wanted the ability to upgrade to larger capacity drives. and if the drive is not present because someone in the house took it on the road, you still want to be able to use the console for movies, music or games.
J Allard (Expert):
Q: will the loss of HDD mean that all games will be made without the HDD in mind, therefore effecting users of the premium pack?
A: absolute not. consider this last generation where somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% of game consoles had hard drives attached. this did not deter game developers from utilizing the hard drive both for exclusive games and cross platform games on xbox. this generation our first party team and our exclusive content developers are just as committed to using the hard drive and like we they demonstrated with this generation our third party cross platform developers are committed as well. games like splinter cell, madden, and tony hawk all demonstrated unique capabilities in hard drive configured systems.
J Allard (Expert):
Q: Can we stream videos from our PCs?
A: yes. if you have media center on those pcs. you will be able to stream standard and high definition video.
J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why even offer the core packa
Re:More readable format? (Score:5, Insightful)
A: absolute not. consider this last generation where somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% of game consoles had hard drives attached. this did not deter game developers from utilizing the hard drive both for exclusive games and cross platform games on xbox. this generation our first party team and our exclusive content developers are just as committed to using the hard drive and like we they demonstrated with this generation our third party cross platform developers are committed as well. games like splinter cell, madden, and tony hawk all demonstrated unique capabilities in hard drive configured systems.
What an idiot... "20% of systems had hard drives" -- yeah, but 100% of XBOXES had hard drives, and 100% -- count them! 100% of the XBox games are able to use it for something, if only storing saved games.
Compare this to the number of PS2 games that even have the OPTION to use a hard drive. He's trying to make it sound like the sometimes-absent HDD will be no problem. But it's a HUGE problem. There is yet to be ANY console with an optional hard drive that had more than one or two games support it.
Re:More readable format? (Score:2)
My only guess is that they realize that the people who buy the core systems won't be hard-core gamers. These people will not be buying Halo 2 and such. Hopfully game developers will be wise enough to understand their market and make games that make significant use of the HD. Sadly I really don't see a market for non hardcore gamers buyi
Re:More readable format? (Score:3, Interesting)
As far as the devs are concerned, this isn't much of a change.
It is, however, why there's this big push with the 360 to market it primarily for its usefulness outside of off-the-shelf games.
They're trying to take a part that was a loss (financially) the last go-round and make it into a premium u
Re:More readable format? (Score:3, Informative)
Let's just hope developers do a check for the hard drive so they can at least cache files to it so games load faster.
Also, regarding load speed... why couldn't MS use a 16X DVD-rom instead of a 12X? I boug
You missed his point (Score:2)
A cross-platform game has a single codebase that supports both systems with a HDD and systems without. When a HDD is present, the game offers extra features - custom soundtracks, for example. Yes, the developer actually went the extra distance to offer more features to make his game more attractive, because the market was big enough.
Now, if 95% of customers buy the Core system with
Re:More readable format? (Score:2)
Re:More readable format? (Score:3, Informative)
More than you'd probably think. The two other major uses of the HD I could think of were custom soundtracks (I own a couple that use this) and downloadable Live content, such as maps, vehicles, etc. Granted, most people didn't utilize these features, but th
Re:More readable format? (Score:5, Funny)
You must have missed the last question from the interview....
Q: Many gamers and non-gamers alike choose to communicate with the generally accepted practice of capitalizing the first character of each sentence. Does Microsoft restrict your usage of the Shift key, or is there some other reason?
A: Great question. The fact of the matter is that I'm typing this on the Microsoft "core" keyboard, which does not include a Shift key. Our market research indicates nearly 75% of our target market prefers to be lazy and not use a shift key. While our "premium" keyboard does offer this advanced technology, one was not available at the time of this interview.
Re:More readable format? (Score:2)
A: microsoft will have a shift key available in the premium bundle keyboard. this isn't just a 'crack the box' keyboard. this is a removable, user servceable keyboard with some really compelling shift key features, for only a hundred extra dollars.
Re:More readable format? (Score:2)
Yay bullshit, here we come! They sold enough copies of Halo so that 25% of all
Re:MOD parent down - troll !! (Score:2)
Maybe if I had posted as AC there might have been some doubt, but being that I posted it as myself, no.
Public relations (Score:5, Insightful)
You are reading an advertisement.
Re:Public relations (Score:2)
I don't mind READING advertisements, I see somewhere along the lines of 10,000 or more a day...one more
Re:Public relations (Score:2)
I also like his reply of "The harddrive has an 800% markup because it's hot-swappable".
Re:Public relations (Score:2)
Of course in a console environment, there's 0 reason why they should use a 20GB 2.5" drive... they should use an 80GB 3.5" drive (since they cost within about $5 of each other).
Re:Public relations (Score:2)
He also talked about ripping stuff to MP3, so you could bring your music over to a friends place.
To be honest, I think having a fixed drive inside of the box (every box!) is a lot more valuable than making the drive removable and expensive. I bet game developers are going to be looking at the sales numbers closely, if the
People have paid more in the past (Score:2)
You may be right, but anyone who bought a Playstation or Genesis at launch paid almost that much [ign.com] in today's terms. Others, like the Saturn, 3DO, NeoGeo and even the original Atari VCS, cost far more.
Then there's all those gamers who pay $400+ just for a high-speed graphics card, not to mention the rest of the PC. Considering that the 360 and PS3 both include a top-flight graphics chip at least as powerful as anything around, getti
Re:Public relations (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Public relations (Score:2)
Yes, I've seen some laptop drives with all sorts of interesting characteristics regarding physical forces.
IBM at one point made a laptop that would detect if it was being dropped and stop the disks before it hit the ground. I don't know if this is technology in the laptop or technology in the drive itself. But if it is the latter then you have an excellent point.
Re:Public relations (Score:3, Funny)
No way. Get outta town.
Really? An advertisement?
Damn. Who'da thunk it. Right there on the internets and everything. Wow.
Backwards compatibility (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, maybe something to remember (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Well, maybe something to remember (Score:2)
Re:Backwards compatibility (Score:2)
From the article:
J Allard (Expert): Another one from mail: What about backward compatibility in the core system?
J Allard (Expert): because we didn't abstract storage in the first generation xbox back compat will require a hard drive. the good news is that the core system owners can upgra
Re:Backwards compatibility (Score:2)
Re:Backwards compatibility (Score:3, Informative)
Haha (Score:2)
Ignoring that, cd sales haven't dipped AFAIK, I sure as hell still buy them. I like having the cd covers. the case, the whole "physical" cd. I use p2p to find music I like, and if there's only one song on the album I like, I keep it (not like I'd buy the album anyway)
MSN Music the successor to cd audio? My ass. If he had've said iTunes that would've made slightly more
Re:Haha (Score:2)
(And he said MP3 was the successor to cd audio.)
An Hour? (Score:5, Insightful)
Some marketing mumbo-jumbo bs, and then a summary that says absolutely nothing other than "We want to make the best console ever for everyone." Which was probably written prior to the interview, then cut-and-pasted into the chat session. br>
If I am going to spend time viewing an online interview with an "expert," I expect to gain some insight, maybe, possibly, learn some new things. The MS press releases on the XBox 360 would have been a more informative read... and would, in essence, say exactly the same thing.
I know I'm getting modded down for this, but really now...
One valid item-of-note:
FTA: "Q: Why even offer the core package, its seems quite useless[sic] A: the significance of this message can not be understated. many of the publishing and retail partners want our commitment to grow the market. and as you have heard from us in our press conferences and such we are very committed to growing the market."
Translation: We have to convince developers and retailers that consumers will purchase the product, which they assuredly will not do at the price point for the complete system.
Re:An Hour? (Score:2, Informative)
Confusion (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Confusion (Score:2, Interesting)
Well, some of my son's friend are hard-core gamers, and they're severely underwhelmed. My son went down to the Game Testing Expo in Seattle's Pacific Science Center this Saturday, hoping to see something from the xBox 360 or PS3 or Nintendo Revolution, but there wasn't anything there except mist (vapor is too strong a word). So he and all his teen friends seem to be leaning towards planning on buying the Nintendo Revolution
Re:Confusion (Score:3, Insightful)
Take a look at a picture of the drive [xbox.com].
It's tiny and built to be mobile. I'm willing to bet that it's almost no time before the mp3 add-on hardware is released. At that point, thousands of people already have the device and the upgrade would be a fraction of the cost against a new iPod. They would be stupid not to do it.
Re:Confusion (Score:2)
Re:Confusion (Score:2)
Or to make it smaller. A smaller drive takes up less overall space so it allows them to decrease the overall size of the unit
Not a sales pitch for them, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
-remote control (for playing movies)
-wireless version of controller
-Xbox Live headset and 'silver' membership
-20GB hard drive (needed to play some Xbox1 games)
-High definition AV cables
If you don't get that more expensive package, you *have* to spend at least another $25 for a memory card to save games. For the Xbox1, you absolutely needed the $25-$30 remote to play DVD movies. I suspect that the Xbox360 will require this.
If you didn't care about high def cables, Xbox Live, or features that need a hard drive, then you have saved $50 at this point. This seems more like a scam to rip people off than really offer them a cheaper package.
Re:Not a sales pitch for them, but... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Not a sales pitch for them, but... (Score:2)
Re:Not a sales pitch for them, but... (Score:2)
Re:Not a sales pitch for them, but... (Score:2, Insightful)
I know we'd all mostly be buying the full version
You assume that I've seen enough compelling reasons to buy this system. Unfortunately, Halo 3 isn't worth $460 to me.
USB storage? (Score:5, Insightful)
Q: Can a USB Memory been used by the xbox 360??(I'm asking this because the 360 has USB ports)
A: at present our design for xbox 360 uses the usb ports in a read-only capacity for playing music and viewing photos. if there are other applications that you guys think are interesting then please give us your feedback.
This is such a weak answer.
Here's an interesting application, Mr. Allard: How about not screwing customers by forcing them to buy some undersized, overpriced "XBox360 Memory Unit", instead of allowing the use of USB flash drives for game saves?
Re:USB storage? (Score:2)
Re:USB storage? (Score:3, Insightful)
They don't want people to be able to alter or control anything like saved games, media, etc. In fact they want you to buy a media pc to use with Xbox 360 -- runing Windows Media Center of course!
It's just standard practice. =)
Re:USB storage? (Score:2)
You know how some people always talk about having a preference for gaming on their Xbox/PS2/etc because it "just works"? One of the things that helps is having a fixed install base. One type of harddrive, one type of memory unit, one type of video card. As soon as they allow any old device to be used, they have to support a variety of options.
Plus they lose control.
If you want to have a gaming machine that allows you to tinker with every component, keep your PC.
Dupe article (Score:2)
Hold on - An original post of a story on slashdot? (Score:3, Funny)
I only read duplicate stories. If it's not good enough to be green-lighted four or five times in a month, it's simply not worth reading.
Games? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Games? (Score:2)
Re:Games? (Score:3, Informative)
PGR3
Perfect Dark Zero
Ridge Racer 6
Gears of War and Quake 4 are also big ones coming up, not yet sure if they will be launch titles.
Re:Games? (Score:3, Informative)
Here [ign.com]'s a list; here [joystiq.com]'s another; yet another here [gmr-source.com]. Finding them took all of 20 seconds on Google.
And the real reason... (Score:5, Insightful)
A: it's going to be interesting to see how and if a high def format for movies plays out. when we designed the the initial xbox many people asked if sacd or dvd audio would be the successor to the cd format for music. as everyone knows the real successor was mp3 and digital distribution with things like napster ipod and msn music. while there is a lot of talk about this in the industry it will be interesting to see what the exact future of this is for movies. of course i think there will be a need for higher capacity optical media for storage applications. we prefer hd-dvd to blu-ray in terms of the flexibility it offers to different applications as well as the infrastructure costs to the market."
The real answer...
Well we hate Blue-Ray because it is what Sony picked and we are going to do everything we can to piss all over it. We realize that by not providing HD-DVD by default it will give the Playstation 3 a significant advantage in game content and as such we need to tell all the Xbox faithfull that it really isn't that important.
The real question that should have been asked.
How few XBOX 360's need to be sold this year (shipped to customers not stores), before you consider it to be a failure?
Re:And the real reason... (Score:2, Informative)
Or, if you have a clue:
We aren't choosing Blu-ray because we don't particularly like the idea of paying our lead competition royalty patents.
There's no clear indication that Blu-ray will give Sony a "significant advantage" as you claim. Yes, Blu-ray has more storage, but it's not clear that any game is going to make use of anywhere close to even HD-DVD's "mere" 20GB+ storage capabilities in the
Re:And the real reason... (Score:3, Insightful)
Wrong. Look at Microsoft's past as an example. My point stands. "If" the roles were reversed, you would see Microsoft telling EVERYONE why they needed HD-DVD. Much like they mentioned ALL the advantages like a HD in the XBOX vs the PS2. I do have to laugh now that they have done a 180, and won't include one in this new version.
Blue Ray in the PS3 will do two things. One is that it wil
Re:And the real reason... (Score:2)
We aren't choosing Blu-ray because we don't particularly like the idea of paying our lead competition royalty patents.
There's no clear indication that Blu-ray will give Sony a "significant advantage" as you claim. Yes, Blu-ray has more storage, but it's not clear that any game is going to make use of anywhere close to even HD-DVD's "mere" 20GB+ storage capabilities in the near future.
If you remember back when the PS2 was originally released much of your arguments against Blu-ray were
Re:And the real reason... (Score:2)
HD-DVD (Score:2)
The Chat's Response = negative (400+ comments!) (Score:2)
Oh. shit. (Score:2, Funny)
Oh shit. He said iPod. 20 bucks says there two guys in black suits staring at him when he turns around from that computer screen. Somebody didn't get the memo from Bill G that says "we don't speak of such evils."
Re:Oh. shit. (Score:2)
MS invented the iPod, remember? It'd be good for him to promote it
Article Slow, Transcript here (Score:5, Funny)
pS34lyfe: lol ur xbox doesnt have 200 mil textapixel fill rate lol
pS34lyfe: cell is cyberdyne look at the screen sh0ts
AllardJ: what
g4m3Cubist: u know u can get liek 2 rev for one xbox360 so is that like 2 rpm? lololz
satUrnSleeper: SATURN WILL RETURN AND TRIUMPH
pS34lyfe: sum1 +b that s3g4 n00b
g4m3Cubist: jus +b *@aol.com lmaosedong
PeeCeeG4m3r: why is the cs:s serber down
d0nK1nG: CLOCKSPIDER VS LIMECAT DEATHMATCH AT 8PM CST
rEvOlUtIoN06: so uh why are u talkin bout ur console every1 knows ur just apossed to be quiet like nintendo
AllardJ: Oh Jesus Christ why did I agree to this
Re:Article Slow, Transcript here (Score:2)
This would surely have been in all lower-case, as Mr. Allard seems to have a malfunctioning SHIFT key.
A better interview ... (Score:2, Funny)
I may have read it differently... (Score:3, Funny)
Make money? (Score:2)
Technology for Sleepers. (Score:2)
Stay away from these things, kids.
Ascending takes a fully charged and properly functioning mind, and these boxes exist to make sure you never reach such a state.
-FL
Core version not backwards compatible... (Score:2)
J Allard (Expert): Another one from mail: What about backward compatibility in the core system?
J Allard (Expert): because we didn't abstract storage in the first generation xbox back compat will require a hard drive.
It sounded like they designed the "core" version for casual gamers. Well it's the casual gamers who want to play their older games. This was a strange decision indeed. The "core" PS3 will be backwards compatible. The "core" Rev
Re:Core version not backwards compatible... (Score:2)
(1) The newer version of the XBox APIs abstracts the storage, the older version didn't. You therefore need a hard drive to property run the older games.
(2) Someone in another department (marketing or product management) designed the different market deployments of the system. Since they now had the freedom to vary the storage level on the system, it was an obvious decision to
Five Years (Score:4, Informative)
Who cares?? In 5 years Microsoft will replace the Xbox 360 and only certain games will be compatible.
Re: (Score:2)
Re:is it just me is the 299 version utterly pointl (Score:2, Funny)
Re:is it just me is the 299 version utterly pointl (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:is it just me is the 299 version utterly pointl (Score:2)
Re:is it just me is the 299 version utterly pointl (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:If slashdotted...(or your scrollbar stinks) (Score:2)
Re:Microsoft is invading /. (Score:2)
Re:Microsoft is invading /. (Score:2)
Actually I believe in this case that he *is* the robodroid for the 360.
My take on the article: notice how many questions were asked multiple times? Notice how many questions he actually answers the question directly?
This felt like a fairly low-content interview IMHO...
The question is not "does it run linux" (Score:4, Funny)
Re:The question is not "does it run linux" (Score:2)
Clarification (Score:2)
Q: Can we stream videos from our PCs?
...
Now we have to have to not only have a PC in order to use this awesome feature...
I'm confused as to why you are surprised that "streaming videos from a PC" would require a PC.
While there may be some code/DRM/whatever that requires Media Center, his statement doesn't make thet clear. He says "if you have media center on those pcs, you will be able to stream standard and high definition video." That just says that M
Re:Clarification (Score:2, Informative)
I read that in an interview with billG.
Re:Clarification (Score:2)
I set up my xbox and red hat machine to play nice with each other. streaming formats stream, although non-streaming media like AVI, have to download before they'll start playing. still, that's only about a 10 second wait for a ~200 MB TV show file.(damn you, BBC! send some quality programming to America!)
I haven't looked recently, but I don't know of anything that'll let you stream out of a windows shared
Re:SO WHATS THE DEAL WITH BACKWARD COMPAT? (Score:2)
My guess is it'll be best-effort - they'll write enough to emulate most (if not all) of the original xbox but they'll only do serious testing of the most popular games. It'd be a huge testing effort to cover them all.
Re:Budget Issues?! (Score:2)
Re:Budget Issues?! (Score:4, Insightful)
(a) include wifi, take a extra $10-20 hit for each console sold
(b) sell wifi seperately for $50, profit
Re:Rose colored lenses, anyone? (Score:2)
Re:Accessories argument is not valid... (Score:3, Funny)
You over estimate the intelligence of Madden fans. (For the record, I liked Madden once upon a time... It used to be an innovative, enjoyable game)
not quite (Score:2)
It's all a shot in the dark right now, but I'm guessing it'll just stream WMV. I'm no expert on encrypted video, but hopefully someone can pluck whatever keys are necessary (if any) out of the binary and hack up a modified version of VLC.