A Top Ten and A Definitive Dozen 95
End-of-week lists are always fun. From CNet, we have a list of the top ten games of the last ten years, and from 1up.com the definitive dozen titles from the PS1's lifetime. From the 1up article: "Resident Evil
Capcom, 1996
Admittedly a straight-up rip-off of the PC adventure series Alone in the Dark (all the way down to the polygonal characters in static environments), Resident Evil was the first great example of Sony's commitment to quality, adult-oriented entertainment. Sure, the controls sucked, and the voice acting was worse. But for all intents and purposes, this was the game that helped the PS1 grab gamers by the throat, chew on their jugulars, and gnaw on their brains."
No Nethack? (Score:5, Interesting)
Shouldn't Nethack get a nod? It may not be a well-known game, and the graphics are a tad primitive, but its supporting most of the roguelike genre, and its a hell of a game.
Re:No Nethack? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:No Nethack? (Score:2)
And its still under development. It has also inspired other games within the last 10 years, most notably Diablo.
Re:No Nethack? (Score:2)
Re:No Nethack? (Score:2)
Hey, maybe we'll even get a new version then!
Re:No Nethack? (Score:1)
A few people and I have been keeping track of the bug database, and one that we submitted (shopkeeper dies when you are praying crashes the game) has been fixed (note the lowercase f).
So we're all excited.
Re:No Nethack? (Score:2)
Re:No Nethack? (Score:1)
That's a lot of extra stuff, but the gameplay is very NetHack-like.
Pretty good (Score:1)
Re:Pretty good (Score:1)
I could see an argument saying there were too many fps'es but that it is pc biased is hardly fair.
The problem with these lists... (Score:5, Insightful)
The second list seemed very biased towards early games. Though you could argue that if it is a list of games that "defined" the PS1, then it's to be expected.
But someone already noted that the lists seem very good to them. So it shows what I know. Possibly means I'm biased, not the lists.
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Re:Flame-free list! (Score:2, Insightful)
Saying that Half-Life doesn't have the staying power of FF7 is silly, considering it's massive influence on the FPS genre, especially if you consider its mods (Counter-Strike being the obvious example).
In fact, I seem to get the urge to replay the entire game every year or so, and
Re:Flame-free list! (Score:2)
The rest of the article's list doesn't measure up to the intro given it. As games, none of the others really changed gaming all that much; they may have made it more popular, but they didn't *change* it. Three of the ten games are first-person shooters....
Re:The problem with these lists... (Score:2)
I suppose you didn't RTFA - the 1up article does state in a big graphic "twelve games that defined the playstation"
The lists are very telling though... (Score:2)
Re:The lists are very telling though... (Score:1)
Matter of taste I guess (Score:2)
You're right---the technical specs of a platform are not an indicator of how well the games play. The platform DOES influence the game however--as I suggested, action oriented games tend to work better in a console environment with decent controllers
Re:Yes! Another "definitive" top ten (Score:1)
Castlevania SOTN (Score:4, Interesting)
The PS1 version was great, but the Japanese saturn version supposedly allow you to play as Maria too.
Re:Castlevania SOTN (Score:2, Informative)
Also, they could have totally improved the gam
Re:Castlevania SOTN (Score:1)
I'm kinda gitty for the new Castlevania on the DS. The GBA's last game (the name eludes me) was also quite amazing, and is sequaled by the DS game.
Re:Castlevania SOTN (Score:1)
Some 'list' (Score:3, Interesting)
Not only that but the oldest game on the list is Quake, and it's 2+ years older than all the others. Lack of persepective much?
Re:Some 'list' (Score:3, Informative)
To answer to both you and the child poster, Blue Shift came with a high-definition model pack (which updated Half-Life as well), and that scientist in the screenshot (a main character in Blue Shift) was a good demonstration of the HD pack.
And yes, I would agree that Blue Shift was a bastardization, as you put it. It was only a few hours long, and the story wasn't nearly as interesting or well-done as that of the original Half-Life.
Re:My take on the list (Score:2)
Ridge Racer: Four tracks. Really, four different paths around one track. Super-unrealistic controls. Easy. Done with it in a weekend. Why o why not Gran Turismo? It deserves two places in the list more than RR deserves one.
Jumping Flash: This game is simply awesome, especially considering how early in the PS1's life the game came out. It's too bad it didn't get more recognition.
Resident Ev
Re:My take on the list (Score:5, Insightful)
People are always jerking off over Miyamoto and his innovativeness (which is immense) but here we have an exclusive game for a platform that isn't Nintendo that doesn't follow the traditional video game path (sports, killing, simulation).
Not only that but Greenblat's artwork is amazing, and they way they were able to animate the characters and coordinate the music and the motion is beyond amazing.
Stop hating on it because you have no rhythm and couldn't beat your four year old cousin, and recogize what an amazing game it really is/was.
Re:My take on the list (Score:3, Interesting)
So, the cool, innovative titles for PS2 aren't given much credit because Sony is working to foster a community that doesn't care fo
Re:My take on the list (Score:1)
I also like that there are unique games like katamari damacy and parappa on the system. By having a huge game library it's the best of both worlds. There are musthave titles for the gamer than the unexpected gem they find(parappa, katamari)
Yes, but it was Crappa the Rapper (Score:2)
Crappa the Rapper was boring as all hell.
No WE/PES? Must be a joke, or an american list. (Score:3, Informative)
When I was young, I played Wolfenstein so much... I spent hour after hour playing, I played so much one evening I reached a secret passage with a text like "If you've reached here, call Apogee Software" (Or was it Id yet?). Well: I think those soccer games are better than wolfenstein.
Every PS2 I know, about ten, has been bought just because back in the day there was the rumour that Konami was going to launch the next WE/PES games only for PS2! And exactly the same with the PS3. Real people don't think "dude, the PS3 will have a zillion CPU's working in a cluster" but "dude, the next WE/PES is only for PS3".
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Re:No WE/PES? Must be a joke, or an american list. (Score:1)
And Winning Eleven 8 is available for the Xbox, so why mention the PS3?
Re:No WE/PES? Must be a joke, or an american list. (Score:1)
Winning Eleven 8 is available for the Xbox
Yeah, and for PC, in a really strange move from Konami. Maybe they had some problem with Sony and this was a way hitting them, menacing with a lower sell of the PS3.
Well, and to say the truth, is just that the XBox didn't even crossed my mind. I know nobody that has or even want one.
The other day, a friend of mine was offered an used XBox for about 100 bucks, and maybe he will but it for its superior capabilities as divx player compared to the PS2 that he ha
Re:No WE/PES? Must be a joke, or an american list. (Score:1)
CNet lost me at their 2nd pick. (Score:4, Insightful)
I seem to recall a storyline formula in both the original and the expansion that required playing all 3 races on one playthrough.
Re:Only good game... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Only good game... (Score:3, Interesting)
By the way, where's (any of) the Winning Eleven series for the PS1? That game was INSANELY popular worldwide, and so are the versions for the PS2.
Re:Only good game... (Score:2)
Re:Only good game... (Score:2)
A TV broadcast has a hard time tracking hockey pucks, and often fails to catch all the action away from the ball in soccer. You really have to be in the arena, watching the game live, to take it all in properly... but football on TV often is even more entertaining than actually being at the game.
Add to that the fact that their "one game per week" schedule lends itself well to office pools and fantasy leagu
Hm , strange list (Score:5, Insightful)
I would definitely keep Ocarina of time (still number one on my list) , half life and GTA 3 .
The rest are very subjective , Starcraft was not a personal favourite , but i can see how it got listed .
The Sims may have done a lot for the Casual gamers , but it was dull as dishwate. Sim-city 3000 was far superior
Madden
Quake
Halo is one of the most over-rated games of the past 10 years
Everquest bored me silly . Again i can see that a lot of people enjoyed it , but if credit goes to any MMORPG of the past ten years it should be Ultima online . 5/10
In the place of the other 7 i would have
Mario 64 . the game the legend 9/10
Unreal tournament , amazing fun
Deus Ex , Taking System shock to the next level 9/10
Thief 2 , Removing the Zombie levels was a great idea 9/10
Pokemon Gold/silver/crystal
GoldenEye 007 , Countless hours spent living the life of Bond 9/10
Gran-Turismo 3
These lists are very subjective , and as such these are just my opinion .
I couldn't really do a top 10 properly , these are just a few from my top 50 list of games since Pong .
it's in non specific order(bar ocarina of time which sits solidly at #1).
There can be no definitive top 10 list
Golden eye ought to replace Halo (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Golden eye ought to replace Halo (Score:1)
I don't see what big deal over the Tekken series is. Tekken has to be the slowest, most unresponsive fighter out there. Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat were better, came out earlier, and had great console ports.
Re:Golden eye ought to replace Halo (Score:1)
Re:Hm , strange list (Score:2)
Re:Hm , strange list (Score:2)
The Sims relies upon the player to provide the interest. It is more of a write-your-own-soap-opera than a traditional score-points-and-win game.
I found much to like in The sims, including house design, interior design to creating stories with the characters.
There are lots of dedicated Sims players, who neither are "casual gamers", or find it "dull as dishwater". Your opinion is noted.
Sim City is a different game.
IMHO Civilisa
woxl (Score:3, Insightful)
I would like to add one more to make it a baker's definitive dozen on the PS1:
Wipeout XL.
Insanely great racing game that was nothing like other racing games at the time. Or since, for that matter, since nothing so far as been able to quite match it.
Re:woxl (Score:2)
Blue Shift (Score:1)
I take issue with two of those PS1 titles (Score:2)
Re:I take issue with two of those PS1 titles (Score:2)
It may technically have been first, and also not a bad game in general, but I'd say it's been overshadowed by Mario 64 for good reasons.
Re:I take issue with two of those PS1 titles (Score:1)
And yes, BAT is awful, but I don't think that this was a top ten best games list, it is a list of games that defined the PSX.
Top 10 of last 10 years too PC Centric... (Score:3, Insightful)
1) Ocarina of time should be higher on the list, somewhere in the top 4. The game is essentially as close to being perfectly made as any game can be. I do not think anyone who enjoyed the game can honestly pick out a part of the game that was particularly weak.
2) Everquest should be in the top 3. It basically proved that MMPORG's were a viable business model. And I also think that if you were to total up the number of man hours spent on that game, it would eclipse the rest of the top 10 handily.
3) Madden does not belong on the list. It is little more then an annualized re-hash of its self each time out. Any improvements to the series are strictly evolutionary, no revolutionary.
4) I find it highly suspicious that the top 4 games on the list were all PC titles.
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Re:Top 10 of last 10 years too PC Centric... (Score:1)
Although I do love Ocarina like a cartridge-shaped child.
Madden NFL Football (Score:1, Troll)
Try looking outside "the world" a.k.a. the United States for a change, the rest of the world really doesn't care for your kevlar-clad people carging against each other for 5 seconds and pausing.
We prefer ice hockey, football (soccer to you) and rugby - the real men's version of your "football".
Re:Madden NFL Football (Score:2)
Re:Madden NFL Football (Score:2)
Re:Madden NFL Football (Score:1)
Now give me an update of Grave Yardage or Mutant League Hockey.
My fickle top 10, at this moment (Score:1)
Resident Evil
Tomb Raider
GTA: San Andreas
Final Fantasy XI
Dark Cloud
LotR: The Third Age
Ico
Metal Gear Solid
SOCOM
Sure they're all PS2 titles. But it's my list so that's the rule.
Lists are fun.
SOTN screen shot?! (Score:2)
Hmm (Score:3, Funny)
I haven't. Does that mean I'm dead?
Hard to believe (Score:2)
I feel old now. Oh wait, it's been about 20 since Super Mario Bros. was released.
SC: Three times thru? (Score:2, Insightful)
Ok, i played through the game way more than three times, but isnt the campaign itself designed so that you play through it with each race? You don't need to play through the campaign three times....
"I don't think there's a man alive who hasn't played Madden."
Me. I hate sports games. I hate sports in general. I've never had an interest in them. The re
I love this.... (Score:1)
Here's how to build your own to match:-
1. Make mention of how pointless top ten lists are, since its all down to "personal opinion".
2. Make a list of your favourite games and compare that with the top list, criticising the journalist's choices.
3. Mention personal opinion again, just so everybody knows that you're fair.
4. Then say "But I still don't see how Crash Team Racing wasn't number one."
Repeat until satisfied.
Re:I love this.... (Score:2)
Here is a short list of my favorite games:
Daikatana
Battlecruiser 3000 AD
Duke Nukem Forever
I don't know what the writers of this article were thinking. Star Craft made the list, yet Derek Smart's quintessential classic Batttlecruiser 3000 AD didn't even make a mention.
I know this is all personal opinion, but there's no way you can ignore John Romero's Daikatana and still call yourself an 'authority' on
All the games at least 3 years old on top 10 (Score:1)
Starcraft (Score:1)
Re:Starcraft (Score:1)
Indoor and massive outdoor environments
Ground and air vehicles that can be entered and exited in realtime during levels
offhand grenades
objective based missions (as opposed to 'find the exit')
The sequel, Skynet, also added excellent multiplayer (LAN only, unfortunately) including usable jeeps and hunter killers. Unfort
GTA3 (Score:2)
Battle Arena Toshinden is why people bought ps1? (Score:2)