Games That Deserve New Year Sequels 93
Retrogaming with Racketboy has a piece looking at 10 Games that 'need' a sequel. Each title is a deserving candidate for an updating, though probably some more than others. From the article: "Possibly one the best games of 2004, Beyond Good and Evil featured a magical combination of action, animation, and storytelling that won it high regard among critics. The game represented high quality and production values when most other games on the market were either re-hashes of other successful games or just plain awful. With all the unimaginative plots in games today, a series like BG&E deserves to live on. Of course, it didn't sell well in its first iteration, but much of the buzz about the game happened just a bit after stores started taking it off their shelves. Now that there is a healthier fan-base, a sequel might just flourish."
Starcraft?? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Yes we need Starcraft 2 (Score:2)
There are many wannabes, but Starcraft quality pays off. They even have a new demo in the homepage, and that only means that sales are higher than any other game that old.
I mean, do you know any other RTS game that get matchs broadcasted on TV? Right now I'm downloading some Yellow's replays. What other RTS has whole websites just for r
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There will be a sequel to Starcraft, eventually -- Blizzrard would be fools not to take advantage o
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There will not be a Starcraft2 while the original is still selling.
Duke Nukem 3d didn't make the list!? (Score:5, Insightful)
Duke Nukem 3d was one of the best single-person FPS games ever published; the secrets and plot were unparalleled, and the game got shadowed by the release of Quake (which evolved FPS from sprite-based graphics to today's 3-D feel and made the (spirte-based) Duke Nukem "3d" title look ... dumb). Gameplay and overall design were either on-par or superior to Quake, and many people still regard it as the best of the genre. This screams for a sequel.
Re:Duke Nukem 3d didn't make the list!? (Score:2)
It sucked.
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More Thief, please! (Score:1)
Another sequel to Thief! And more in the style of Thief 2, not the lame hub-style system of Thief:Deadly Shadows! Yes, there are fan missions [thiefmissions.com] but more Thief is always a good thing.
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And while there were drawbacks I did enjoy Deadly Shadows.
The fog-filled doors between zones were bad and so were the climbing gloves instead of rope arrows, but it did have the best level, in my opinion, of the series: the cradle. That actually creeped me out and had me on the edge of my seat, tense and nervous. It's the only video game to actually do that to me.
Re:More Thief, please! (Score:1)
Deadly Shadows was the final chapter in a prophecy/story that took three games to tell.
That being said, a sequel to Deadly Shadows doesn't make any sense, IMO, because it didn't leave any unanswered questions and there's nothing left to explain. What else is there to tell?
While I'm on the topic of Thief, what I wouldn't mind seeing is a remake of all three games using a modern graphics engine.
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So many clones of existing franchises along with endless tired sequels is driving people away from games.
Look at Doom3 and Quack4, too highly anticipated sequels that went nowhere. They were simply regurgitations of tired concepts with fancy graphics.
Why I do believe there are game concepts that warrant revisits, Diablo's style of gameplay comes to mind, this does not mean we need Diablo 3. Why not create a new story wi
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Its not the concept that makes Beyond Good&Evil worth a sequel, its the story. There are still many things pretty much unclear at the end of Beyond Good&Evil and having some of that cleared up in a sequel really wouldn't hurt. If I remember correctly it was planed from the beginning as triology, but due to bad sales, the sequel was put on ice. Sure, on the other side there are many sequels out there that feel kind of pointless, but i
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Stop right there. There are a lot of great game sequels out there, and a lot of games that could use sequels. If the original was fun and had a great story that came to an end too soon, or had an immersive world that could sustain revisiting there's no reason not to revisit it. I'd love another Starcraft or Fallout. Most of the Zeldas, Marios and Metroids are pretty damn good. I'd keep playing Neverwinter Nights expa
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I'm not sure that's it. I think they're more adverse to taking any risks, so when they make a sequel, they end up remaking the previous movie with the character names changed. In this case, it doesn't matter how closely it follows the source material, or if they did a good job or not. Nothing is more u
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Still, it would be nice if developers priced sequels in a way that reflects the amount of work that's gone into them, i.e. new levels with the same gameplay and graphics should be a budget game. This is something that PC gaming is more likely to get right - expansion packs are better than
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See http://www.slate.com/id/2119701/ [slate.com] for some background on this, at least in the film industry.
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While I've nothing to say about "Quack4," I don't even know what it is, I think it was pretty obvious what the problem with Doom 3 was. Remember the original Doom? I do, and what I remember was a game where everything was easy to see. I didn't get Doom3 despite my fondness for the original Doom and its expansions. Why? I heard it was dark. Not dark as
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Flickering is fine, incidentally. One of the best levels in Ninja Gaidan II was when you had to make your way across a level that was only intermittantly lit by lightening flashes. But you weren't completely blind, and the lighting issues
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Homer should have stopped after The Iliad. The Odyssey was just a tired hack of Greek mythology written to make money.
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It will be finsihed when Rocket Arena and the other mods are released.
Then it will be the number 1 online FPS again.
Mark my word =)
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A sequel that adds both new mechanics and new scenarios is a good sequel.
A sequel that adds either new mechanics or new scenarios, but not both, is only a good sequel if it's marketed as an expansion or an add-on.
A sequel that revamps the mechanics or the scenarios with no reference to the original is not, in fact, a sequel at all, but a new gam
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It's been said many times before, but it bears repeating: companies go where the money is. Sequels sell, so sequels are made. Blame the ever-so-discerning taste of today's gamer. Vote with your dollar, and all that.
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Imagine if sports games didn't have any sequels, we'd be stuck with fifa 94 and its 2D graphics. Games like madden might have endless rehashed sequels, but would you rather that the only available version was the first one ever made?
There'd be no mario 64, no zelda 64, no final fantasy XI, no world of warcraft, no elite II, not even streetfigher 2.
Master of Magic Dammit! (Score:4, Insightful)
Please don't mention MOO 3 (Score:2)
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Master of Magic is the first game that always comes to mind whenever "sequels that should be made" is mentioned.
Something with the turn-based depth of the Civilization/MoM games and the real-time battles of Rome:Total War... with all the spells, units, creatures, and items of MoM... and with modern graphics and sound... *drool*
All the elements are there. The Civ formula has been refined countless times. MoM had brilliant content. The whole D&D/LOTR lore is more popular than eve
Re:Master of Magic Dammit! (Score:2)
There was a MOM2 in the works but I think it has slipped release dates by years and been passed hot-potato style amoung developers. I wouldn't count on it anytime soon.
Re:Master of Magic Dammit! (Score:1)
It's kinda funny tho, MoM had countless bugs, and it's still a cult classic.
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Unfortunately, his project seems to be moving at a glacial pace, but here's a link:
http://mompp.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
System Shock 3!!! (Score:4, Insightful)
Oh, and add in a Sam and Max sequel... but it is nice to see Grim Fandango in that list though.
The Sam and Max sequel is already in the works. (Score:2)
In order to keep the blindly inept LucasArts off their back, the new game will be completely different from what they were making at LucasArts and will most likely use the engine that they used for Bone. My only gripe is that the game will be episodic, no
Re:System Shock 3!!! (Score:2)
I haven't heard anything new about the game for ages now, so I can only hope it's still in development - but it's one of the few games I'm actively looking forwards to!
6 DoF! (Score:2)
Or is the genre just not profitable enough to warrant a new game?
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They really were not profitable enough. Too complex for average people. PCs had no joysticks by default.
I have high hopes for a Nintendo revolution Descent-like game with the new controller.
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Yeah, that's my least favorite mission. Well... that and the mission where you're supposed to use stealth to sneak past robot guards. I hate it when game designers take a perfectly good action game and slow it to a crawl with non-action-themed levels. If I wanna sneak around, I'll go play Thief!
Descent should be about blowing up robots, and precious little else :)
I'd use a cheat cod
No Syndicate? (Score:5, Interesting)
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R.I.P. Bullfrog! (Score:3, Interesting)
So, even with an Athlon 3200+, GeForce 6600GT, 4.1 sound system, and 21" monitor next to me with BF2, HL2, and a slew of other games installed, the basic simplicity, great gameplay, and truly deformable terrain
Re:R.I.P. Bullfrog! (Score:2)
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Never tried the red/blue thing though.
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Shenmue (Score:2)
Sequels suck. (Score:2)
Re:Sequels suck. (Score:1)
I agree that two Madden or Mario party games is one too many. But keep in mind: some of the best games ever made were refinements and expansions of existing concepts in gameplay, design, or setting.
Planescape: Torment (Score:1)
Even better! (Score:1)
I still play American McGee's Alice (Score:3, Insightful)
Bilestoad! (Score:2)
Mangrove Earthshoe for ye olde tyme feeling.
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Carmageddon (Score:2)
Mind you, the Carmageddon 'races' weren't much for races. You had more fun just driving around, doing crazy stunts, running over peds, dodging cops, and playing chicken with the other ra
While we're at it.... (Score:1)
I don't want sequels. (Score:1)
I'd like to see developers inspired by the great games of the past. More important than remaking games is to actually be creative, emphasize gameplay, focus on a unique experience or develop story that
Re:I don't want sequels. (Score:2)
As a matter of fact, I'd like to see a new R.C. Pro Am. Man, Rare games were great even on the NES.
Total Annihilation, anyone? (Score:1)
Supreme Commander (Score:2, Informative)
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/supreme-commander/632026
Re:Supreme Commander (Score:1)
Now all I need is a new computer
Re:Total Annihilation, anyone? (Score:1)
Oh, just to reiterate...
XENOGEARS 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re:Total Annihilation, anyone? (Score:1)
What made Total Annihilation a great game? It was the huge scale of the battles. You had giant robots fighting across city blocks, fleets of battleships conquering the seas, you could
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Honestly good games, or reviewer opinion? (Score:3, Insightful)
Sonic CD has a sequel, called Sonic Rush on the DS. All the same kinds of graphics, and a soundtrack well worth downloading (since the OST is not available outside of Japan). It's a better OST than the Sonic CD one!
Beyond Good and Evil had some good ideas, but the execution was so poor, that the managers responsible for shoving such a half-baked came out the door should be fired. Yes, it has many good points, like a heroine who isn't just ass and cleavage, and a story that seems interesting at first -- but the story falls flat. It's not nearly as deep as reviewers like this seem to think it is, and the ending sucked royally. A bad ending can make anything good suck (look at Terminator 3; a decent Terminator movie with a terrible ending is not a good movie).
Alice proved to me that a platformer on the PC does not work. I want deeper gameplay than having to float to the next excruciatingly place toadstool, having to restart if I miss the target. I want boss fights that are interesting, not exercises in shooting a whole lot.
I think this reviewer has their personal opinion seeping in on games they particularly liked, but which weren't actually that good. Games that are 5/10 or 6/10 (like the ones on the list here) are not ones worth investigating further. The gameplay is not compelling enough, or the story is too half-baked. (I'm not saying they're all bad; I haven't played Grim Fandango through yet, so I reserve judgement on it, but BG&E is a crap fest that deserved to die, and was most certainly not the best game of 2004.)
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The guy wrote a good article on what he wanted to see, I agree with him and would like to see most of them (except Chrono trigger) get a decent sequal. NiGHTs got a lame GBA port but still it needs a full game on the dreamcast.
Re:Honestly good games, or reviewer opinion? (Score:2)
It's crap, you just press 'forwards' and the character runs itself through the game.
I'm on Slashdot? (Score:4, Informative)
Not that I'm complaining
Anwyay, I must confess, I'm not a big PC gamer and my site primarily covers console games. So that would explain a lot of PC games missing from the list.
As for the Sonic CD comment, I realize that Sonic Rush is a quality game, but I'm waiting for a full 2D console game that makes the most of the hardware.
For more of my thoughts on the Sonic topic, check out this post of mine:
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/2005/12/sega-i-dar
And thanks guys, for not chewing my post to pieces
I'm still working on improving my writing.
Sonic just doesn't fit the category (Score:2)
Yup, that's the large series of Sonic games.
M.U.L.E. (Score:1)
Games I want to see sequals to (Score:2)
2.Space Quest (sure there were numerous sequals back in the day but a more modern one would be cool)
3.Transport Tycoon
4.I second the call (in the origonal article) for a Kid Icarus sequal, that game ROCKED
and 5.Sentinel Worlds: Future Magic. Not necessarily a direct sequal, in fact, any game is the same style but more modern would be COOL.
Smash TV (Score:1)
Panzer Dragoon Saga (Score:2)
Agreed. (Score:1)
A games I'd love a sequel for... (Score:1)
Snowblind bought the rights (Score:1)