Thompson's (Mostly) Polite Interview 96
Pluvius writes "For the past few weeks, gaming website Netjak has corresponded with infamous anti-video-game lawyer Jack Thompson in reference to his well-publicized proposal to donate money to a charity if someone created a violent game in which a grieving father murdered members of the video-game industry. This has culminated in an interview in which the unusually cordial attorney gives surprisingly viable reasons for not following through on his donation after such a game was created. Unfortunately, Thompson doesn't quite make it to the end of the interview without taking at least one cheap shot towards gamers: '[P]ut down the controller and get a life. Video gaming is an escapist activity and you're being exploited by these companies. It's not healthy; I worry about someone who would play Grand Theft Auto for ten hours a day. It's a masturbatory activity, and it would be better if people put down the controller and went outside.'"
"...and went outside"... (Score:2)
Re:"...and went outside"... (Score:2)
Masturbation GTA? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Masturbation GTA? (Score:2)
Better (Score:5, Funny)
It's not healthy; I worry about someone who would beleive in a magic sky-deity. It's a masturbatory activity, and it would be better if people put down the bible and went outside.'"
Fixed
Re:Better (Score:2)
Seriously, the only real problem I see with this Jack Thompson character is that he thinks it's his place to decide what's appropriate for other parents' children.
It's not his place to decide what is appropriate for others. The only people whose place it is to decide what's appropriate for a child are that child's legal guardians. Jack should stop sticking his nose into other people's business and start minding his own.
In fact, one could say that his desire to insert himself into other peo
Re:ewwww (Score:1, Funny)
That sounds pretty disgusting actually.
I don't think the words "masturbatory" and "insert" should be used in reference to Jack Thompson in the same paragraph. At least, not when I just had lunch.
Seriously - ew.
So what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Absolutely. Going out to the movies and reading books are also espacist activities. Life is work, and people need escapist activites to stay sane. No one wants to hear about the real world 24/7, because in reality the real world is harsh and cutthroat.
Video games let the user enter another world for a healthy stress relief. This is no different than watching Lord of the Rings or reading the latest Tom Clancy novel.
The question isn't if Video Games negatively affects the user in real life, but rather what would that person do in real life without video games? I'm guessing not everyone would be out gardening or street sweeping.
Re:So what? (Score:2)
'[P]ut down the and get a life. is an escapist activity and you're being exploited by these . It's not healthy; I worry about someone who would for ten hours a day. It's a masturbatory activity, and it would be bette
Re:So what? (Score:1)
So? (Score:2, Funny)
But even if the teenagers/youth aren't playing the game, they're still masturbatory.
Yeah, cheap shot... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, he's a loathsome person, and his tactics are sleazy.
Yes, he's almost always wrong.
However, he's closer to right with that last comment. Balance is an important thing in life. I wouldn't refer to gaming as 'masturbatory' perhaps, at least if goals are possible, but having a sense of perspective about leisure pursuits is valuable.
IMHO.
Of course, this comment could be just being made to rationalize why the wife won't let me play PGR3 for 5 hours a night.
Re:Yeah, cheap shot... (Score:1)
Re:Yeah, cheap shot... (Score:2)
Re:Yeah, cheap shot... (Score:2)
Why not refer to it as 'masturbatory'? Thompson is just showing his puritan roots. He thinks masturbation is dirty. I know Woody Allen isn't the guy to quote when we're talking about saving the children, but...
Might not have the quote verbatim, but I'm quite close at
Re:Yeah, cheap shot... (Score:2)
Yes, and that's why I spend 40 hours a week at work, not counting the 2 hours of travel-time that requires a 15-minute walk (going to and from work).
Besides, an "average" person has weekends off, and there are not as many volunteer organizations that are open on those days. Likewise, there are some people who are on nights - on their days off, they don't have access to volunteer operations (as most places are clos
fanatics (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:fanatics (Score:1, Flamebait)
Re:fanatics (Score:1)
Wow, Jack Thomson is right! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Wow, Jack Thomson is right! (Score:1)
What's ironic is that his excessive, fanatic crusade is harmful for him too, and THAT he won't acknowledge.
Re:Wow, Jack Thomson is right! (Score:2)
If someone enjoys them, does it matter? Since when does entertainment have to be deep and intelligent?
I play a variety of games, some of which would be described as "unintelligent", but there are times that mindless diversions are much more enjoyable. I play maybe, maybe, 10 or 15 hours a week- an hour a night during the week to unwind after work, more on the weekends (part of that is WoW), and I know that what I'm doing is just for entertainment. I would
Re:Wow, Jack Thomson is right! (Score:2)
Hell, using his reason, whacking off at night (or, for the less nerdy-types, consensual sex) could be considered masturbatory.
jack thompson has some valid points. I agree that some games shouldn't be marketed towards children. but at the same time,
Re:Wow, Jack Thomson is right! (Score:2)
Color me shocked. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Color me shocked. (Score:2)
Using "terrorist" in conjunction with Penny Arcade and assuming that any action taken by anybody familiar with the site must have been coordinated by Tycho and Gabe doesn't really strike me as reasonable.
The tone is different than some of his other speech, but it's still full of scare words and low on actual content. At least this interview makes it easier to see what his perspective is (even if it do
Re:Color me shocked. (Score:2)
I believe he feels violent games are marketed to children in the same way that cigarettes aren't: by having ads for them on television. He'll push to ban televised game ads and restrict game advertising to adult print media.
Then expect a series of anti-gaming ads to come out similar to the anti-smoking ads. Rebuttal ads will either b
Re:Color me shocked. (Score:1)
He spoke fairly well when he had a caller who denounced video games. When an opposing viewpoint or heathen gamer called in, Thompson launched into a screaming hissy-fit interrupting the
Re:Color me shocked. (Score:2)
Rob
exactly (Score:2)
This guy knows nothing of cause and effect (Score:3)
So, since I stirred up all of this trouble for you and now hold stock in your company, I would like to point out the error of your ways. This is ridiculous, this is a shakedown.
Re:This guy knows nothing of cause and effect (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:This guy knows nothing of cause and effect (Score:2)
But, you go with groupthought on Slashdot... Thompson is bad. Even if your logic is flawed you should get your +5 Insightful soon.
Re:This guy knows nothing of cause and effect (Score:2)
Re:This guy knows nothing of cause and effect (Score:2)
Now, if you compared his actions to a guy who has sex, but his penis is so small he couldn't satify a woman, that would be a more apt analogy. Masterbati
Re:This guy knows nothing of cause and effect (Score:2)
Re:This guy knows nothing of cause and effect (Score:2)
Re:This guy knows nothing of cause and effect (Score:2)
He's talking to 1) hear the sound of his own voice and 2) see that other people are hearing the sound of his own voice and 3) make as much money off the people misguided enough to give him money because they agree with the sound of his own voice.
Either way, it all goes back to number one; Mister Thompson.
Re:This guy knows nothing of cause and effect (Score:2)
This is why I love Slashdot: the deep and significant philosophical commentary.
Re:This guy knows nothing of cause and effect (Score:2)
Actually, I am here for the chicks.
Re:This guy knows nothing of cause and effect (Score:2)
Did you miss the fact that everything that Jack Thompson does is for the purpose of making money, mostly through driving a stock's price down so he can buy it at a low price and sell it once whatever company he smeared recovers?
Rob
Re:This guy knows nothing of cause and effect (Score:1)
Stuff all the arguments about the morality, but any company whose income level goes through the floor (because hardly anyone bought The Warriors in comparison to the millions of copies of San Andreas the previous year) should EXPECT their share price to fall.
Re:This guy knows nothing of cause and effect (Score:2)
The target market was too small.
But Jack fanning the flames didn't help either, and to take a position on the board to criticise a company for a problem you augmented is kind of idiotic.
Re:This guy knows nothing of cause and effect (Score:1)
So what (Score:2, Insightful)
Weaselling out (Score:5, Insightful)
I stated that the game had to come out in 2006. I specifically said 2006 because I wanted to see a real game made, not an amateur one.
And who decides what's "real" and what's "amateur"? If you can install and play it, it counts as real to me, but I think Jack Thompson is using his own private definition of "real" that doesn't coincide with the conventional definition.
So basically, no matter what anybody does, he's going to move the goalposts so that whatever he defines as "real" is not met. It's already happened once; he made the claim, somebody took him up on it, and now he's claiming it's not "real" (for some value of real). If somebody releases a better game this year, he'll say that it hasn't had enough marketing to be a "real" game. If somebody markets it, he'll say that it didn't sell as many copies as GTA, so it's not a "real" game. Because he controls what counts as "real", he can continue moving the goalposts so that no matter what anybody does, his criteria will never be fulfilled.
And what does the release date have to do with whether the game is "real" or not? It's a red herring designed to distract you from the main point.
I also explicitly stated that it must be a company producing the game. I mean, anyone in a garage can throw together something vaguely game-like easily.
A perfect example. If you can play it, it's a game. Not "something vaguely game-like" - an actual, real game.
That's not what I want
Tough, it's what you asked for. Now you're playing semantic games to try and make it sound like you asked for something else. It's not working.
I find it very telling that, when asked what he thought about the $10,000 donation to charity, he couldn't bring himself to admit that it was a good thing, and instead chose to complain that it wasn't really made in his name. So much for his "Christian obligations".
Re:Weaselling out (Score:2)
So basically, no matter what anybody does, he's going to move the goalposts so that whatever he defines as "real" is not met.
Exactly...what needs to be done is this:
Re:Weaselling out (Score:2)
Re:Weaselling out (Score:2)
I wonder how much "justice" he'd be dealing out if everyone just ignored him.
In a perfect world, everyone would be able to see through Jack's shenanigans and ignore him accordingly. The problem is: it's not a perfect world...not by a long shot.
We've been trying the 'ignore the troll, and he'll eventually get bored and leave' strategy for a while now, and the fact is, Jack is still around. Ignoring him isn't going to do the trick, because there are enough fundies, misled individuals, and just plain idiots o
Re:Weaselling out (Score:2)
Re:Weaselling out (Score:2)
getting coverage in major gaming magazines and websites), got the
product packaged and sold at $50 per box in brick and mortar gaming
stores (at least in the US but really globally) then it would be very
hard for this Thomson guy to claim it is not a real game. Anything short
could legitimately be called an amateur attempt.
Basically he calims that the gaming industry would not target itself, so
it is reasonable for him to ask for a serious devel
Okay, that's actually coherent... (Score:4, Interesting)
For example, his comment about a game needing to be written 'by a company'. He says that anyone can knock something up in a garage. Well, Darwinia was one of the best games to come out last year and was knocked up in a garage; Counterstrike started life as a purely amateur project. By his logic, neither of these are real games.
I think Thompson's fundamental issue is that when he looks at something, he sees what he expects to see, not what he actually looks at. From what little information I can find about Bully, it's the exact opposite of what he says it is --- it's all about standing up to the bullies and defeating them. But he wants it to be evil, so that's what he sees...
Actually, I suspect he should see a psychiatrist, not because there's anything wrong now, but because this might blow up into something more serious later. He may also have borderline paranoid tendencies. The way he's being harrassed by PA and Slashdot weenies probably isn't helping, either.
Re:Okay, that's actually coherent... (Score:2)
From what little information I can find about Bully, it's the exact opposite of what he says it is --- it's all about standing up to the bullies and defeating them.
And what Jack said...
I'm also going to bring up Bully, which is a revenge fantasy and a murder simulator. The setting is Columbine.
The two kids from Columbine weren't bullies. They were lashing out at the people who had picked on them. I don't think he's completely accurate, but he's certainly not the exact opposite.
Re:Okay, that's actually coherent... (Score:1)
Re:Okay, that's actually coherent... (Score:2)
Re:Okay, that's actually coherent... (Score:2)
Re:Okay, that's actually coherent... (Score:1)
A True Endorsement (Score:5, Funny)
I'm pretty much in favour of masturbation too, Jack. The only reason I don't do that for ten hours straight is...
Oh, he hung up.
Re:A True Endorsement (Score:2)
Viable reasons? (Score:2)
What this man is doing is holding money hostage from charity. Had he simply given the money away alongside his "satirical" proposal, it might have been something admirable. What he's doing is saying that he has the money and will give it to the sick kids or educational software creaters or whomever, but not until his demands are met.
Whether you agree with his justification for ponying up or not, that's fucking despicabl
Escapist activity? (Score:1)
All of these let you get away and forget the evils of the world, why is it that Jack wars against just video games? The content of the medium is no worse than books, television, radio, or movies.
Go Outside? (Score:2, Insightful)
a) There was fun things to do.
b) That didn't cost an arm and a leg (or at least costs more than I am prepared to pay for such entertainment)
c) It was safe from muggers, rapists, paedophiles and generaly dangerous people.
d) That I didn't risk getting run over when stepping out my front door.
Going outside (bar the healthy excercise aspect) is just another class of comercial organisations getting money out of you: drinks, snacks, food, skateboards, bikes, transport etc. etc. It is
Re:Go Outside? (Score:2)
For children? (Score:1)
Re:For children? (Score:2, Informative)
When I went to buy San Andreas at Target, I was informed it was a mature game and was even carded (mind you, I'm 31 and balding
If retailers had let kids buy mature rated games in the past, I don'
Re:For children? (Score:1)
Jack is watching me!! (Score:2)
How the hell does Jack know that I masturbate while I play GTA for 10 hours!
Same old crap. (Score:3, Insightful)
That statement RIGHT THERE tells me that he's not on some moral quest, he doesn't give a fuck about our well-being, and he thinks we're all losers. He hates games and gamers. Period. Is it impossible to enjoy games and not have a life? Of course not. Gaming, like any hobby, can be done in moderation or taken to extremes. You can take his response, replace "controller" and "play Grand Theft Auto" with other items from various hobbies, and viola -- there's your attack. "I don't understand your entertainment choices and their associated culture, so I'll insult them and you!"
You know, some folks who play games have steady jobs, own houses, pay bills... Hell, they can even get married and be great parents, include games in their children's lives, and sometimes they even *gasp* PLAY THOSE GAMES WITH THEM!
I wonder if he holds kids going hunting with their dads in the same light.
Kiss Running With Scissors Good-Bye (Score:1, Interesting)
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Re: Knife Attack in Moscow Synagogue Allegedly Inspired by Violent American Video Game, Postal 2
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Classic retort time (Score:2)
"You will be the one escaping!"
Re:Classic retort time (Score:1)
Re:Interesting . . . (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:Interesting . . . (Score:2)
Rob (Of course, I would assume that Zonk likes himself better than he likes me, so maybe that's a bad example)
Re:Interesting . . . (Score:2)
Re:Interesting . . . (Score:2)
Zonk ain't exactly quick, I guess.
Rob
coherent? polite? don't think so... (Score:2)
The shots he takes at PA are just ridiculous. He's attributing far more to "Gabe" and "Tycho" than they're even capable of. He's obviously extremely paranoid.
Lord knows why people pay any attention to extremists of all sorts. Haven't we better things to do?
Re:coherent? polite? don't think so... (Score:2)
"Nice weather out, isn't it? I guess those arch-capitalist Jews have decided to give us some reprieve from their anti-poor hurricane creator, thank goodness."
Rob
Problem is... (Score:1)
He thinks that its ok to censor what other people do. As if by putting all of these restrictions on video games he can push ALL of the gamers into quiting this horrible habit and make them go outside and do "normal things. This
Re:Problem is... (Score:1)
Re:Problem is... (Score:1)
Playing with words are fun. (Score:3, Funny)
Here's a game of MadLibs:
Start with:
and replace references to video games with television:
or howabout we change them to literacy references?
See? Isn't that fun?
Outside?!? (Score:2)
Re:Outside?!? (Score:2)
Actually, 40 degrees and windy is on the painfully hot side.
Regardless of your choice of temperature scale, there is one extremely big hole in his argument - going outside is considered derelition of duty.
FYI, the night shift is 12 hours lon
Republican Logic (Score:1, Offtopic)
Isn't this the same kind of logic that took us to Iraq? We don't need proof of WMDs; it's irrelevant to the subject. I don't mean this as a troll, I mean
Not a cheap shot (Score:2)
Masturbatory activities (Score:1)
Funny, that's where I do most of my masturbation.
I decided to comment on the whole thing (Score:2)
So here it is:
Please define "properly"
A Theory on Why Jack Isn't Engaged Intelligently (Score:2)