The Video Game Generation Grows Up 131
MarchingAnts writes "The Gaming Generation: Once A Gamer, Always A Gamer has interviews with Gabe from Penny Arcade, best-selling science-fiction author John Scalzi, veteran games journalist and founder of gamerdad.com Andrew Bub, futurologist Dr. Michael Zey, and sociologist Dr. Steve Jones commenting on the phenomena of how video gamers are coping with balancing their hobby with marriages, careers, and how video games might affect families in the future. 'Mike Krahulik, better known to his legions of fans as Gabe, one-half of the team behind the gaming webcomic Penny Arcade, says that time is the biggest challenge in blending gaming and parenthood. "You just don't have as much time for gaming," he says, "when you're getting up every 30 minutes to change diapers and get thrown up"'"
get thrown up? (Score:2, Funny)
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Hmm...my first thought was, Hey, isn't that her job??
The guy is pretty much done at conception....and then he has to work and save for college. Let her do the early night work with the kid, eh?
Re:get thrown up? (Score:5, Insightful)
Man, please never , ever, copulate.
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My kids learnt fast (Score:2, Funny)
If I win the tournament they go hungry.
(Only joking, though tonight I was teaching my youngest how to type his name
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Re:My kids learnt fast (Score:5, Funny)
Me: "Heals, I need a heal!"
Daughter: "Daddy! I'm scared!"
Me: "You're not even getting hit. Just heal me!"
I'm losing my independence.
There is the other side of the coin, though. (Score:5, Insightful)
If I have a kid, and want to go see a movie, go to the restaurant, etc, I either need to find a baby friendly place, or find a baby sitter. Both can cost me extra (if you have a kid and go to the restaurant, well you have to feed the darn thing...).
If, instead, i'm playing an online game with my friends, the only thing I need to be worried about, is that I play a game that can be paused (let say Warcraft III), or a game where I can go away for a few minute at any given time (these are harder to find but still). Or even better, I can simply play solo. All around, its a form of entertainment that has tens of thousands of hours worth of amusement, and is within reach of the kids: going back to take care of diapers is only a hit of the pause button away.
Definately more convenient than, let say, going to a bar and coming back home drunk, then having to take care of the kid once the baby sitter is gone.
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I can grab my gaming in quick 5-10 minute sessions (tony hawk, nfs, unreal etc) and put it down as quickly.
Slashdot is even a game, it is digested in small doses and after posting I can walk away and do whatever is needed.
If /. is a game... (Score:1)
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Watch out in the dark places, there may be a grue.
And don't get caught by the goatse troll, your eyes will never forgive you.
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Re:There is the other side of the coin, though. (Score:5, Insightful)
I've discovered it's much easier to play games where it's possible to play just a few minutes at a time. I can't even start a game like Unreal, or Civilization, or Sim City, anymore. Sure you can pause them or, in the case of turn-based games, walk away for a short while, but when kids are involved, that "short while" invariably becomes a long while. By that time, you've completely forgotten what you were doing and the game is ruined.
Nowadays, it's games like Stinkoman and Super Monkey Ball, for me.
Re:There is the other side of the coin, though. (Score:4, Interesting)
The only real problem is if he gets a hold of it. I either need to wait for two hours when he finally drops it (he doesn't play the games, just takes the pen out and tries to scribble ont he top screen) or I have to bear two hours of him screaming "GAME GAME GAAAAAMMMEEE!!!" when I take it away from him. And I can jsut forget about playing it in front of him. That means it's at least a year or so before I can buy the Wii and put it somewhere other than the closet.
The joys of parenthood.
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I've discovered it's much easier to play games where it's possible to play just a few minutes at a time. I can't even start a game like Unreal, or Civilization, or Sim City, anymore. Sure you can pause them or, in the case of turn-based games, walk away for a short while, but when kids are involved, that "short while" invariably becomes a long while. By that time, you've completely forgotten what you were doing and the game is ruined.
I agree. I've given up on MMORPGs completely, I haven't touched NWN2 in a couple weeks and even some RTSes are hard to come back to after a few days of not playing. I'm actually finding myself getting back into the console world again. Scary. For example, the New Super Mario Brothers for the DS is a perfect balance for me right now with a 6 month old. I can't wait until he's older and we can doing some gaming together...
Re:There is the other side of the coin, though. (Score:5, Funny)
If you'd spent more time... entertaining yourself more traditionally, you wouldn't have kids, and you'd still have time for gaming.
> Or even better, I can simply play solo. All around, its a form of entertainment that has tens of thousands of hours worth of amusement, and is within reach of the kids:
Dude, I was about to say you were getting it, but that last bit is just so terribly, terribly, wrong :)
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I find I can balance family life with gaming and masturbation perfectly well. It's a really question of planning and sticking to that plan. Or the plan sticking to you.
Remember, it's only one week till the 10 days of wanking for peace [masturbateforpeace.com]. Touch your sack, not Iraq!
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I don't know.. with the wii you actually move your hands so the traditional way of entertaining yourself isn't much of a step (if any at all).
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Re:There is the other side of the coin, though. (Score:5, Interesting)
But since Neverwinter Nights came out, I've been able to run two long campaigns, one of which started in August 2002, the other in September 2003. Both are still going. Using the matchmaking/scheduling site Neverwinter Connections, I was able to find players for both games, each of which plays two hours a week. One of them I run early on Sundays, while my wife is still asleep. While it has some disadvantages over tabletop gaming, my campaigns have now lasted longer than any tabletop RPG I've played. In my experience, most roleplaying campaigns die out due to scheduling issues. In this case, technology has made it easier to run a long campaign.
Rated R for Retarded (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Rated R for Retarded (Score:5, Insightful)
I, and most of the gamers I know who are between 25-40, really wanted to get a Wii as early as I could; my Sister-in-Law's nephew (14) and most young teenage boys (13-17) say that the Wii is "Too Kiddie". It seems to me that, in general, what teenagers (and teenagers at heart) think of as 'Mature' most adults think of as immature.
Re:Rated R for Retarded (Score:4, Insightful)
I've tried explaining to my kids before that they're being even more childish by having tantrums about being 'grown up' but it's a waste of time.
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it's called... (Score:1)
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By the time those are complete, it's often too late, or I'm too tired, to fire up a game.
I miss gaming. I used to love strategy and role playing games. But the small snippets of time I now get make it almost impossible to maintain continuity in anything deeper than driving games or 3D shooters. It's like trying to watch a movie in 10 minute per day chunks. It loses something.
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Uh...that is what I have a wife for.
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Walt Disney... (Score:3, Interesting)
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Obviously not based on a true story, eh?
Re:Walt Disney... (Score:5, Funny)
Times like this I wish Slashdot had a +1 - Batshit insane Disney reference moderation.
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I was under the impression this is where a lot of people find love, but in a Disney movie? That sounds about as probable as the average /. reader finding love in the back seat of a car...
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I don't remember that particular movie (I guess I wasn't a kid at the right time) but consider the fact that Touchstone is a division of Disney, so the Touchstone Pictures movies are technically still Disney movies
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Cold Turkey (Score:2)
I don't play any games now, except on my phone when I'm waiting for a flight or something. Between my wife, kids, jobs, reading, (non-gaming) hobbies, and exercise, I just don't have time for it. And I really don't miss it. Although they can a lot of fun (and yes, the 2600 was really fun), gam
Re:Cold Turkey (Score:4, Interesting)
Actually, some of the most fun times that I have with my daughter are the multi-hour sessions playing head-to-head games like Mario Kart 64 or Diddy Kong Racing on the old Nintendo 64. Many times my wife joins in, particularly with Mario Kart 64, and we'll play together for hours on end. Once I get the Wii hooked up, I expect we'll all spend a lot more time playing Wii Sports as well. (I'm going to have to reinforce that ol' Wiimote strap for my daughter. That handcuff mod might do nicely.)
"More to life" doesn't have to mean "outside" or "at the park".
Games to play with younger kids... (Score:2)
But it makes sense. Those older games seem to work out a lot better with
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I initially wrote a screed to end all screeds when I read this. To the tune of Put down the controller and pick up your freeking son. Then I realized that I do stuff like exercise that takes the place of time that I could spend
Re:Cold Turkey (Score:4, Insightful)
Uh, this is clearly time spent with his kids, and we don't know anything about the quality of said time without observing him.
Save your reactionary attitude for your own household.
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He's successfully integrating his work with his homelife. Although you know he enjoys it greatly, Mike is like millions of other parents whose work comes home with them and their kids get interested. I had a physics Prof who would tell us about her chi
Re: Cold Turkey (Score:1)
Everything is a game. Some games just have real consequences and those games are in real life. Some games don't have real consequences, and those games are categorized into playtime.
At some point I think it is natural to transition away from video or board games because you start having the ability to dabble in bigger games with more serious consequences and greater rewards. The dating game. The parent game. The stock market game. The career game.
It's probably just as natural to start going back to
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(of course, if I'm not mistaken, my Apple IIc could not display italicized text outside of the graphics mode)
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(Assuming you have an 80-column card installed)
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The best movies suck you in, tell a good story, "wow" you with their looks (be they special effects, good cinematography, or whatever), etc. They also give you some pop-cultural context (since you can talk about it
Some of us older gamers (Score:1)
only on slashdot. (Score:1, Insightful)
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OTOH, maybe he is holding out for some special 'service'.
My wife came into the the game room wearing skimpy clothing once, and I..errr great now I lost my train of thought.
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I still play video games though
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This is all very simple (Score:4, Funny)
There are very simple solutions to this:
Don't change the diapers. They'll get potty trained faster that way.
Also, don't let your kids throw you up, it hurts. Teach them some manners.
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Geekdom? (Score:1)
When did gaming go into the shadows of geekdom? I wasn't around when the first games came out. However, I do remember talking to my other classmates in 6th grade when SNES was coming out. I also remember the arcade being one of the teenage hang outs for the 'cool' kids. I also remember going to parties and there was always people in the corner playing a game be it PS, XBOX, or anything else. If there was someth
What? (Score:2)
How dare you!
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And considering that your user ID roughly translates to "deceased person", what the hell are you complaining about?!
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And I'll have you know that it's my basement/game room because the deed is in my name and I pay the mortgage, thankyouverymuch.
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Man, he got your goat.
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As a parent of 2... (Score:1)
I think they need to make good games that can be played at 15 minutes intervals, or games that can be played with the rest of the family. I am very interested at the Wii at the moment as it has lots of po
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I'm about 6 months ahead of you with a 2 1/2 year old and a 6 month old at home. At your stage, I didn't play any games and barely watched TV. Now that we get proper sleep again, my wife or I may play a video game every now and then. I've been playing X-Men Legends lately and she's been playing Paper Mario. While one of us is playing, the other plays with/cares for the kids. When you have kids young enough to need constant attention, it's nice to have a break
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I have two-year old twins, so when I'm on the PC they insist on sitting on my lap, mashing the keyboard and moving the mouse around. T
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They love it, and frankly so do I. Although it must be said I'm utterly useless at the baseball game...
Cheers,
Ian
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It's possible to pause those games, too--at the least for NAMCO and pinball.
Disclaimer: I do not work for Jaxx/Pacific, but I've had fun with the games.
The first generation with gamer parents? (Score:1)
My mother even had the local hospitals very first gaming related injury when she got tennis elbow (or "atari elbow" as they called it) after too many hours of asteroids.
They even played Shades, which was a MUD on the UK prestel network.
Quick Fix (Score:2)
The article is right on the money about saving the game. I am far less likely to play a game that doesn't have the ability to save at any time. Metroid Prime comes to mind as a great game that frustrated me with it's save scheme.
So what? My kid's a gamer too. (Score:3, Interesting)
I started programming when I was 8. My daughter will probably start sooner than that.
She can use a mouse. She can play several of the Curious George games on PBS kids - without assistance. (We have to navigate there, but she can select games from the list and choose the ones she likes the best.)
Oh, she's 2.
Her younger brother will also learn how to use a computer. Right now he's working on "crawling".
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All he's interested in searching for is boobies.
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Gaming and Kids (Score:2)
I've got a four year old girl now and so far I have held off on buying and consoles. I watch her already spending way too much time watching Nick Jr. and Cartoon Networks and it really bugs me. Even though my brothers and I did spend a good deal of time playing games, at the same time we
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Whats a family for? (Score:1)
Priorities (Score:1)
my parents took my nes (Score:1)
I doesn't have to be either or.. (Score:2)
They're only kids once, so you gotta share with them as much a
The Video Game Generation has money now (Score:2)
I haven't seen any ads that target the adult gamer segment specifically; I guess they figure ads that work for a 17-year-old will work just as well for someone twice that age. But soon enough we will probably see ads: "Forget the Civ [firaxis.com] games! I play Oasis [oasisgame.com] because I can get in several games between feeding the newborn and changing his diaper."
BLATANT PLUG: If you are a member of The
Hardest Part (Score:1)
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Stand-Ups (Score:2)
If you are from my generation, you learned to play video while standing, sometimes for hours, at your mall, downtown arcade parlor.
My younger brother is from the console generation. He finished Mario World but perhaps never left his initials in the Frogger or Galaga at the Arcade.
I too froze my ass waiting outside Target for the Wii.
See, we don't have a console at home because we frowned at the idea of having the kiddos pressing their butts for hours on the sofa with sore th
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I still get nervous walking past arcades.
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a) Smart (on average) geeky folk, who actually WORRY about spending time with their kids, realizes gaming takes a back seat.
b) Average Joe Welfare, has 5 kids, doesn't care what they do, MIGHT worry about them if he sobers up.
c) Super Catholic, has 6 kids, tells them all not to worry about succeeding on this earth - its the next life that matters.
Which would you rather have populate the earth ?
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