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Clearing Up Holiday Sales Rumours 86

Posted by Zonk from the don't-jump-to-conclusions-yet dept.
Gamespot's regular 'Rumor Control' column tackles some confusion around who had the most holiday sales among the three new consoles. A CNBC broadcast prompted GamesIndustry.biz to proclaim the 360 the winner, with some 2 Million in sales. The Wii followed closely behind with 1.8 Million, and the PS3 followed that number with 750,000. The catch here is that, while it's possible a viewer could have assumed this was official NPD data, it wasn't. From the article: "The segment is an interview with Billy Pidgeon, an analyst with IT market intelligence firm IDC. In it, a graphic appears on screen showing estimated console sales in North America for November through December 25, 2006. The numbers match up with the figures being attributed to the NPD, but CNBC attributes IDC as its source on them. The confusion likely comes from a blurb of text that appears at the bottom of the screen shortly after the graphic is taken down. It notes that the 'NDP Group' (sic) pegged the Wii as selling more than twice the number of PS3s for the month of November, which is true, but also something that was announced last month." The numbers may prove to be true, but we're going to have to wait a bit longer to see who actually came out ahead last month.
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  • Have they started including online sales yet or is it still just brick and mortar?

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      For those who are interested:

      EBGAMES/Gamestop are doing pre-order sales for the Wii to be shipped 1/17/2007. The only hitch is that it is a bundle package only.

      Nintendo Wii system (system, remote controller, nunchuck, stand, sensor and Wii Sports)
      Wii 1 Gigabyte Memory Card
      1 additional Wii Remote Controller
      Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
      Trauma Center: Second Opinion
      Red Steel
      Marvel Ultimate Alliance
      Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz
      Madden NFL 2007
      1 Year Product Replacement Plan

      The bundle is ~679.90 USD with 9
      • You can buy the unbundled unit on-line too now.

        Check: http://www.xpbargains.com/ps3_locator.php [xpbargains.com]

        I was lucky enough to be on-line at BestBuy Dec.31st. Waited on line for ~1 hour before the store opened and got a PS3. No fuss, no muss (they advertised in the weekly circular). I was amazed at how orderly and organized both the line and the BestBuy staff were. They handed out tickets when they opened the doors to the store. Then they let people in from the line 5 at a time (the store itself opened and anyon

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by eln ( 21727 )
          Weird. I went to GameStop on December 31st with my kids to buy games for their new gameboys, and they had 3 PS3s just sitting there, and this was about 3 in the afternoon. He did say he had one Wii that someone had returned, but he couldn't sell it until it got refurbished. I was a little surprised to see 3 PS3s just sitting there though.
          • My first question would be if they are the 20GB or the 60GB models.

            I've got a theory (based on sampling the people I know), that most people would rather get the 60GB model ("if I'm already spending the money ...").

            My second question would be if this is in a more urban, rural, or suburb area.

            It stands to reason that you're going to have a higher demand for Wiis vs PS3s simply becuase the lower price open the Wii up to be an easier purchase (easier on ones wallet :)), and the positive press has helped.

            In con

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by eln ( 21727 )
              It was in the middle of an urban area. Can't say whether they were 20 or 60 GB, I didn't look that close.
            • I was at one of my favorite electronics stores last week and walked in at about 11 am. There were about 60 PS3s half 60s and half 20s sitting there, but they were only selling them in the $1000 bundle with 5 games and a second controller. I didn't get it cause I don't see 5 games I'm that interested in. Oh that and I don't have a 1080p TV (damn Santa and all his reindeer) which is just about all they work properly on from what I hear.

              • There were about 60 PS3s half 60s and half 20s sitting there, but they were only selling them in the $1000 bundle with 5 games and a second controller.

                I wouldn't pay that much for a bundle that I didn't want either. That was the main reason I held out till I could get the system on its own. The launch titles just aren't strong enough to justify the 5 game bundle that most electronics stores seem to want to sell.

                I didn't get it cause I don't see 5 games I'm that interested in. Oh that and I don't have a 10

    • The NPD does not get online retailer numbers, no. They only get brick and mortar numbers, then use statistical sampling to predict what sales should have been for online retailers. Statistical sampling is very accurate when you're using a high enough percentage of the total, and NPD gets reports from about 70% of all retailers, so their numbers are about as close to exact as we will ever likely get.

  • The eternal shipped vs. sold (Score:5, Informative)

    by Phisbut ( 761268 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @02:49PM (#17463268)
    Everytime there are sales numbers around, we need to remember that Sony always only report on shipped units, not on sold units. And no, even for the PS3, shipped != sold. I have seen PS3's on the shelves of some stores, and several other slashdotters have seen them too. Many PS3's are being returned by scalpers and are therefore unsold.

    Wii probably could have sold more, if only it had been able to produce more of them. As for the Xbox 360, the only console not suffering from shortages (anymore), then good for them. I wonder how many were bought by people wanting a PS3, but then not finding any, so they bought a 360 instead.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by jrwr00 ( 1035020 )
      I wonder that myself, people who couldn't buy the PS3, how amny bought the 360, i would guess a little less then half (IRC Survey) did

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by _xeno_ ( 155264 )

      As a fairly useless anecdote, in almost every store I've been to, they were completely sold out of Wiis, had several PS3s on hand, and had plenty of XBox360s on display.

      And I've been to a lot of stores looking for my Wii - I've had to resign myself that about the earliest the stores expect to receive more is late January to early February.

      But in several cases, I've had a hopeful sales person mention after I asked them about the Wii that they have the PS3 available for sale. Too bad I don't have, A) a H

      • Same here. I've been looking for a Wii on a daily basis for about a month now, in four major metropolitan areas, and have come up empty-handed. I've been offered PS3s multiple times. Yesterday I found one at a store but by the time I got there, a kid was at the check out buying it. Also, our local Fry's just got five in but refuses to sell them without the purchase of a bundle of five games, which brings the price up to an outrageous $500. Fuck that, there aren't five games I want out right now, I just want

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by _xeno_ ( 155264 )

          I may as well clarify my original "almost" because I did find one store that had a Wii. They were only selling it as a bundle with an extra controller and two games.

          They were out of extra controllers.

          While it'd be funny to say that they had a Wii they couldn't sell, I think the reality is that they'd have given me a rain check, but since they had no good games either (basically only movie/TV tie-in games), I didn't bother. I'd rather not spend an extra $100 on games I'd never play.

    • Re:The eternal shipped vs. sold (Score:4, Interesting)

      by the_B0fh ( 208483 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @03:33PM (#17464098) Homepage
      Actually, I'm interested in the PS2's sales numbers. If the PS2 still continues to outsell the 360/ps3, that should say something.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by kabocox ( 199019 )
      As for the Xbox 360, the only console not suffering from shortages (anymore), then good for them. I wonder how many were bought by people wanting a PS3, but then not finding any, so they bought a 360 instead.

      Um, not many. I'd bet most that wanted to "pay" for the PS3 bought one. Those that didn't want to "pay through the nose" will wait 6-9 months for the first of several major price drops. Not many make an impluse purchase for things over $250. O.k. Maybe those rich slashdotters that bought all three syst
  • Even if these figuers were accurate, the real question is how well are these consoles going to sell within the next 3 months to a year. The Xbox360 has already proven itself a formidable foe even in the face of an earlier launch, but what remains to be seen is the sales figures from Sony and Nintendo when consoles arent as limited.
    • Been looking for a Wii for the last couple weeks. Stores are filled with PS3s. I've even had two people try to sell me one that they bought just because they thought they could still make a buck off the shortage. Wiis are nowhere to be found. Granted, I'm looking after work, not before. It looks to me that supply is already meeting demand for PS3s. Unless they are restocking the shelves daily.
  • If NPD is the North American numbers guru for video game system sales, is there a European, Asian, or South American counterpart? I'm really intrested to see if Nintendo reached its goal of 4 million sold.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by HappySqurriel ( 1010623 )
      vgcharts.org attempts to track sales in Japan, North America and Europe (and is probably the most accurate) but there aren't good numbers from Europe because of the difficulty in collecting data in dozens of countries.

      As of December 24th Nintendo had sold 859,000 Wii in Japan, with 286,500 selling in the week of December 18th-December 24th so the total Japaneese sales numbers for December will be between 1,000,000-1,100,000 (as a guestimate; later today or tomorow we should have the sales for the week of De

  • Why does everyone want a winner? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by the computer guy nex ( 916959 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @03:13PM (#17463690)
    Can't all 3 consoles be successful? I know we are in a competitive culture, but you do not need a monopoly to survive. Media is going nuts searching for a victor.

    The gaming market is absolutely huge, with over 10 billion+ in sales per year. There is plenty of money to go around, and for the first time 3 legitimate consoles who will all take a good portion.

    The compeition of this generation of 360/Wii/PS3 will spark a ton of innovation for the next set of consoles.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by dlc3007 ( 570880 )
      I want Nintendo to win because I own stock.
    • If this generation of consoles ends up anything like last generation, picking the winner now is vital if you want to avoid having to buy a second console later on. The PS2 outsold all other consoles combined by a two to one margin (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars#World_wi de_sales_figures_5 [wikipedia.org]). It's no surprise then that certain marquee, out of left field titles originally appeared only on the PS2. I'm talking here about games like Katamari Damacy and Guitar Hero. Every system is going t

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by jythie ( 914043 )
        See, now what I would be curious to see is what the PS2 sales looked like this christmass. Considering new games are still comming out for that console, I could easily imagine sales being rather brisk even against the 7th gen consoles.
    • This isn't about creating an artificial monopoly. This is about determining which company has been successful and how successful they are. When you know that Nintendo sold twice as many Wiis than Sony, you know that Nintendo is doing really well compared to Sony, making them a good investment both for stock holders and for game developers (as others have mentioned).

      Early numbers like these are a good thermometer of how well a system will do long term as well. If it has strong market saturation early, not

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Lerc ( 71477 )
      All console makers want to make as much as they can. In pure money terms they probably don't care how much their competitors make. The 'Winner' of each console generation sells a lot of units simply because it is the winner. Winning the crown translates to revenue. The competition for the crown is because the crown itself is a strong marketing tool.

      You don't have to be at the top though. If the GP2x sells each unit at a profit then they can do ok for themselves. There is also the perennial idea of a l

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by HeavenlyBankAcct ( 1024233 )
      There are plenty of people out there who feel this strange, distorted need to attach their personal feelings of well-being to products. It's no different than the guys who define themselves as "Chevy Guys" or "Ford Guys." Uninteresting people need to identify themselves in some way so that they can feel like they're individuals. What you're witnessing here is legions of confused kids who somehow have gotten "feeling good about themselves" mixed up with "corporate loyalty."

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by cgenman ( 325138 )
      The console that is doing best is the one which is most likely to attract development dollars. Which, in turn, causes original titles to be released. Which makes the console a better prospect for ownership.

      Basically, in the gaming world you want to own the most popular console, as that way you will have the broadest possible selection of games available to you. So paying attention to who is "in the lead" is very important.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by KDR_11k ( 778916 )
      Game releases are roughly distributed according to the sales ratio which means if all three sold equally well we'd have to buy all three to get all (or even the largest part of) the games. If the distribution was more skewed like it is with the PS2 we'd only need to buy one console to ge the vast majority of the games. That means less console buying and more money left for the games.

  • I think the PS3 won (Score:5, Funny)

    by billdar ( 595311 ) * <yap> on Thursday January 04, 2007 @03:19PM (#17463848) Homepage
    Forget units sold, its hard to top a console people are willing to shoot people [wkyt.com] (and by extension, shot at [msn.com]) for.

  • Does anyone know if these are North America-specific numbers or if these are worldwide?

    If it's worldwide it'll be somewhat disappointing, as both Nintendo and Sony will have fallen significantly short of their promised goals for the end of the year (4 million and 2 million respectively). If this is specific to North America, does anyone know of a source whereby we can figure out the worldwide totals?
    • NPD only tracks North America ...
      Japan is tracked by several companies and the most popular chart is released in Famitsu (which will release the numbers for December 25th to December 31st sometime today or tomorow) ...
      Europe doesn't really have any (well known) sales tracking companies ...

      As of December 24th Nintendo has sold 859,000 Wii units in Japan, NPD claims 1.8 Million in North America and it was (earlier) confirmed that there were 375,000 Wii units sold in Europe on launch. So far we know that Ninte
      • Thanks for the info, it seems rather difficult at this time to get good numbers. The wikipedia article isn't updated, and nexgenwars and vgcharts aren't entirely accurate.

  • Three things to consider (from WSJ) (Score:5, Interesting)

    by WillAffleckUW ( 858324 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @04:04PM (#17464638) Homepage Journal
    According to a number of detailed articles I read in the print edition of the Wall Street Journal [wsj.com] (expensive subscription required, ain't paying), it's not just the actual console sales of Wii consoles, but the actual purchase of Wii controllers, games, and memory cards, that made the Wii the blockbuster seller this Christmas season.

    Unlike the PS3, where most people bought the one really good game (Resistance Fall of Man), or the existing game purchases by xBox360 owners of Gears of War, the Wii console buyers ended up buying a lot of games and extra controllers, leading to situations where controllers were usually only found in back rooms and behind counters, as they were snapped up the second they appeared. Games were in reasonable supply, but most console owners bought quite a few games - probably affected by the MSRP of $50 for Wii games, compared to $60 for 360 and PS3 games.

    However, sales of the PS2 games were fairly strong, especially that rock guitar thing (forgot the name) and a number of other strong titles.

    • However, sales of the PS2 games were fairly strong, especially that rock guitar thing (forgot the name) and a number of other strong titles.

      You mean Guitar Hero 2, which yes, was quite strong, along with other hit games such as Final Fantasy XII. The PS2 definately did very well this holiday season, but I'd have to say the big winner was the DS. Those darn things were often sold out just as much as the Wii was (I was looking for an extra copy myself). If you go looking around, you'll find sales numbers whic

      • Thank you, yes, I meant Guitar Hero 2, which is not just a fun game for the PS2, but is cross-gender in appeal, and is in fact one of the hottest games when rankings by both girls and women are done - quite unusual for a PS2 game.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by ad0gg ( 594412 )
      And what good games does Wii have? Zelda? Anything else? I do agree that wii probably sold the most controllers. But for games, there's only one decent game.

      Scroll down to the top 10 list

      Popular 360 games [gamespot.com]
      Popular wii games [gamespot.com]
      Popular ps3 games [gamespot.com]

      • Wii Sports is a lot of fun, especially with multiple players. Other good games are Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz and Rayman: Raving Rabbids. I own all of these and Zelda, and even though I play a lot of Zelda, my favorite so far is Rayman. The mini games are simple, but very fun. The sense of humor of the game is great. The rabbits say and do such silly things, that I almost forget what I'm doing sometimes because I'm laughing so much.

        None of the other games so far have appealed to me much (although El

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by ThePiMan2003 ( 676665 )
        Trauma Center is a simply great game, better than Zelda I would say.

        Raving Rabbids is a great multiplayer game.

        Super Monkey ball... sucks

        Red Steel REALLY REALLY sucks.

        Wii sports is quite fun.

        Rampage is fun but you really need nunchucks for each player

        Excite Truck is also quite enjoyable if you like smash em up racing.

        So I would say if yo have a Wii pick up Trauma Center for yourself, Raving Rabbids for yourself and your firends, Rampage if you like that sort of thing, and Excite trck if you like that sort o
      • * Rayman (shockingly fun)
        * Elebits (which is addictive enough where I now have some moderate eye strain and probably shouldn't play for a few days)
        * Trauma Center (not my cup of tea, but the fiancee loves it)

        Hell, even Wii Sports is lots of fun, and my friends love Excite Truck (I haven't actually played more than 5 minutes, so I don't really have an opinion yet).
  • My kids want a Wii. I got them $300 in Best Buy gift cards. They are just going to wait it out. They are content with their PS2 until then.

    I don't really care who won last years holiday race, I am more interested in when the full supply of the units come out. Then I think the Wii will win hands down.

    Anybody know when the Wii becomes truly "generally available"?

    • that would be when demand drops to below the level of production. when that will be is anybody's guess.

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by GigsVT ( 208848 )
        If they just sold them all at auction to start with, there wouldn't be a shortage.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by 246o1 ( 914193 )
          If they sold them all at auction, there would be a shortage at the target price point, but not at the one settled on through the auction. However, selling them at auction would probably provoke a strong backlash instead of the huge wave of positive feelings Nintendo has benefited from. I doubt it would be enough to cancel out how much fun the Wii is, but in the long run good will and a good image is worth much more than selling their first million or so for an extra hundred bucks each.

          • Re: (Score:1)

            by GigsVT ( 208848 )
            Why would there be backlash for providing a product at the price that matches market demand? Is American really that ignorant to how economics works?

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by HappySqurriel ( 1010623 )
      Anybody know when the Wii becomes truly "generally available"?

      I think the only answer anyone can give you is "sometime in 2007" because no one really knows ...

      In the small circle of people I know I'm the only person who actually owns a Wii and I know several people who are actively searching for one. When Nintendo ships another 500,000 to 1,000,000 units I would expect that most people who were looking for a Wii to own one but I'm not postivie about that; with (essentially) 2 Million systems sold in 6 weeks
      • I honestly think that Wii sales could really snowball in the future. We took the Wii with us when we travelled to visit the family over christmas, and a lot of the people who tried it were asking questions about where they could get one. My mom played Wii Tennis for about 15 minutes the night we got in town, and the next morning while we were still sleeping, she went to the mall to try to buy herself one.

        It's really been almost "infectious" for people we've let try it. The more people who buy it, the more t

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by Rallion ( 711805 )
          I have to agree with that 'infectious' thing. I've been a big Nintendo fan since I started getting into consoles, just before the N64 came out, and I've wanted a Wii from the beginning. Still, I'm not going to wait in line, or actually run around LOOKING for them, I have better things to do and at the moment money's a little tight.

          But then I played Wii Tennis with a couple friends.

          I want one now. I do have some self-control, and I'm still going to wait it out. I think there are a LOT of people waiting it ou

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by HappySqurriel ( 1010623 )
          I agree with you and have seen this type of behavior myself (people with no interest in games wanting a Wii) but I think this is the reason why I find it so difficult to predict when the Wii will become available.

          With the PS2, PS3 and XBox 360 I have a pretty well established understanding on how the people who are buying these systems will react to certain events; surrounding the release of big games the sales will spike, as the price drops the spikes will become larger and the "average" number of systems
    • Last Friday, I walked into Target at noon and saw two sitting on the shelf. I picked one up. ;)

  • All in all, this is right on the mark of how I would expect it to be. Interestingly, at first I thought the artical said, "the Wii was pegged by the PS3, which sold over twice as many units," and immediately though that it was crazy, then I read some more and realized that all it was was a really badly written sentance. I have a feeling that most of the generation is going to pan out like this, with the 360 and Wii exchanging leads from time to time, and the PS3 pulling in numbers roughly half that of the o

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by cowscows ( 103644 )
      Just like many people successfully predicted the death of Nintendo after the N64 and the gamecube had disappointing sales? Oh wait, that didn't happen. Instead, Nintendo realized that the arrogance that they had developed during their heyday did not guarantee them future success, so they were forced to do some extra thinking, and have come up with the DS and the Wii as a response.

      Even if the PS3 comes in last, don't expect Sony to throw in the towel in regards to gaming. Just as a drop in marketshare hasn't
      • I would like to point out that Nintendo had advantages in the N64/Gamecube days that neither Sony or Microsoft have. Nintendo has always had the most popular handheld gaming platform in the world, and Nintendo has (always?) been the largest game publisher in the world, so the "Nintendo" brand was always positively seen by gamers even though the N64 and Gamecube struggled. Sony will likely be given the opportunity to release a PSP-2 or PS4 if (big if) these platforms continue to perform poorly but (depending

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by brkello ( 642429 )
      You are talking as if all the consoles were easily available to people who want them. This is not the case. The Wii and PS3 are selling out everywhere. Nintendo has less of a problem with production than Sony does so obviously it is going to sell more consoles.

      It is cliche, but true, that it is all up to the games. The PS3 doesn't really have a title with herds of fanboys behind it. The Wii released with Zelda. Having this franchise at launch was a brilliant move by Nintendo. It will be really inter

      • You are talking as if all the consoles were easily available to people who want them. This is not the case. The Wii and PS3 are selling out everywhere. Nintendo has less of a problem with production than Sony does so obviously it is going to sell more consoles.

        Actually, I'd say it's quite the opposite. In my own anecdotal experience, I've seen PS3s available for sale, whereas I have no luck with the Wii. There's have been some news stories [go.com] regarding the PS3 "non-shortage" as well. So, I'd say Nintendo has t

        • You are talking as if all the consoles were easily available to people who want them. This is not the case. The Wii and PS3 are selling out everywhere. Nintendo has less of a problem with production than Sony does so obviously it is going to sell more consoles.

          Actually, I'd say it's quite the opposite. In my own anecdotal experience, I've seen PS3s available for sale, whereas I have no luck with the Wii. There's have been some news stories [go.com] regarding the PS3 "non-shortage" as well. So, I'd say Nintendo has the big problem with production, since demand is arguably greater than anticipated.

          There is no contradiction here. Nintendo has less of a problem with production, but they also seem to have vastly larger demand than Sony, so in the end, it's harder to get a Wii even though Nintendo produces a lot more consoles than Sony.

  • XBox Advantage (Score:3, Interesting)

    by vga_init ( 589198 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @04:19PM (#17464866) Journal

    To rationalize the results, here are some advantages I can think of that the XBox 360 touted...

    • First to market: It's been around for a while, so more people have seen it in action. That level of familiarity gives consumers more confidence--they know what they're buying. Also, let's say little Timmy sees gets to play with his friend's XBox and now wants one and talks about it all the time. I think his family might pick up on that; it's easy to want what other people already have. It's also easy to want what nobody else has, but you have to know about it first. More people know about things that exist than things that don't exist.
    • Domestic brand: People in the US know Microsoft. They trust Microsoft with their lives. Some people worship it. Don't believe me? I've seen it. The mere fact that Microsoft's name is on the box will cause people to gravitate toward it. The average Joe American tends to ignore Microsoft opponents because while he doesn't understand the issues, he knows how to stereotype anti-Microsoft folks as fanatics--tree hugging hippies that would just as soon turn on his cherished nation as his favorite software vendor. To him these people are the same people that are always saying bad things about the president, and he can't agree with those people.
    • Success of XBox: The original console did pretty well. It became a household name rather quickly and had enough good titles to get people coming back for more.
    • You missed the # 1 advantage of the 360... X-box live.

      It's better then anything else out there, and "Acheivements" are their own brand of crack... This gives them an advantage over multiplatform releases.

      • Look at the initial sign up rates, the re-sign up rates after the promotional period is over, and how many active players there are. You'll quickly find that Xbox Live is a not a motivating feature in the competition between the three.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by trdrstv ( 986999 )
          Look at the initial sign up rates, the re-sign up rates after the promotional period is over, and how many active players there are. You'll quickly find that Xbox Live is a not a motivating feature in the competition between the three.

          Though I remember that was the case for the original X-Box, I don't remember seeing that for the 360. Do you have a source for the 360? Last I saw they were touting 5.5/6 million users on Live. Let's just assume that the vast majority are the Free, "Silver" memberships. Th

    • Really, the biggest advantage that the Xbox had was availability and the fact that it was the holidays. It's a solid system, but at launch, any competitive console is going to sell out as fast as they can be made. Add in the christmas rush, and I don't doubt that both Nintendo and Sony could've easily moved more units than the Xbox360 were more systems available at launch. Either way, there were millions of people out there looking for consoles, and while they may have had preferences towards one or the oth
  • Seems they are posting this crap all over the net, despite everyone knowing there is no evidence yet to back these numbers up. But key, it makes it look like the PS3 is in last place, so lets post it... Why has everyone jumped on the Hate Sony bandwagon, despite the PS3 being by far the best console of this generation?

    • PS3 = Paper Tiger.

      It ekes out over the XBox360 in hardware, but in practical performance, right now at least, they're on par graphically. In every other category, the XBox has had many moons to be better than the PS3. Live, tons of games, and market security.

      The PS3 is a risk to me, since it is being outperformed so badly (my anecdotal support: The Wii is constantly sold out everywhere here, the local Best Buy sold roughly 100 XBox 360 Pros from Christmas to now, and there was a stack of 9-10 PS3s in t

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by LKM ( 227954 )
      Why has everyone jumped on the Hate Sony bandwagon, despite the PS3 being by far the best console of this generation?

      Because a) Sony constantly fucks its customers and behaves like it doesn't care, and b) the PS3 isn't "by far the best console of this generation." There's more to a good console than hardware specs. Ever heard of this little thing called "games," for example?

  • "A CNBC broadcast prompted GamesIndustry.biz to proclaim the 360 the winner, with some 2 Million in sales. The Wii followed closely behind with 1.8 Million, and the PS3 followed that number with 750,000."

    Whether or not the 360 outsold the Wii, the 360 is notable because it had the potential to outsell the Wii, as there were no shortages. However many Wiis were sold, that's how many were put on the shelf, and if the 360 truly outsold the Wii, it seems it was more because of a lack of Wiis to buy than the co

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