Woman Killed In Wii-Related Competition 784
snuffin writes to tell us that a local radio competition to "hold your wee for a Wii" has ended with a Sacramento woman dead from water poisoning. From the article: "An Associated Press interview with another contestant, named James Ybarra, claimed that contestants were initially given eight ounce bottles of water to drink every fifteen minutes, with larger bottles being used once contestants began to drop out. According to Ybarra, 'They told us if you don't feel like you can do this, don't put your health at risk.' He described the victim as 'a nice lady' and that 'she was telling me about her family and her three kids and how she was doing it for her kids.'"
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'Hold a turd, you might come third!'
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Actually it was just another play on the 'wii' bit... seriously, you can't actually pass out from too much irony ya know.
"Then you moan and cry about the moderation you got from your sorry ass comment?"
Troll, flamebait, overrated, I would have been fine with. But off topic? It's just not true.
"I hope when a moment of extreme sorrow comes into your life"
Been there, done that. Everyone deals with things in different ways dude, and death, being one of the hardest things to deal with, introduces even wider ways of being dealt with than most other things we experience. You can't spend your whole life crying, you get nowhere, and may as well not be alive yourself. So you laugh, about some funny word or whatever, it doesn't matter, and hope it does make you insensitive, at least a little more than you'd usually be, because you can't cope if you soak up every little bad thing that happens.
It doesn't make you an arsehole, it just means you're trying to survive the best you can in a world where shit happens.
You'll understand as you get older. Or you'll get crushed by the weight of the world.
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Exactly, most
Killed?? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Just because it is accurate does not mean it is not sensationalist.
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The headline is misleading not in that it is inaccurate, but in that it lets someone draw the wrong conclusion about what it is saying. Excusable only if there is no other way to say the same thing without the unintended implication.
"Killed in Wii-related competition" sounds like she was next to some fat geek swinging the controller around and he hit her breaking her neck. "Wii-related" is only really means "during it's normal intended use".
The headline is more suitable for Fark, not here.
Re:Killed?? (Score:5, Insightful)
If I offer you a new Honda Civic car if you'll run across a busy highway naked, and you get hit by a truck and killed, should HONDA be held responsible because they made their product "too desirable?" Fuck no. The only people who should be held accountable should be me for being an asshole, and you for being an idiot that listened to an asshole.
What about competitions that offer money as a reward? Should the U.S. mint be held accountable for people getting hurt while trying to earn money?
All I'm saying is, people want things. Always. They offered something for free, and someone died because of it. There is no harm in playing a Wii system. In that regard, Nintendo has done their job. There certainly IS, however, a danger in playing Russian Roulette for one. So, Nintendo has nothing to do with this. Only the woman and the radio station. So until a Wii itself hurts someone, and not what people would do for one (and those damn Klondike bars. *MY* great grandmother died because someone shot her for one...) Nintendo's clean.
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Right, so the hell with exercise.
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That's funny. I consider moderating a form of exercise, too!
Oh, you meant physical exercise, didn't you.
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Here is a case where the family would indeed be justified in suing the radio station.
Sad... the captcha is "atrocity" for this post.
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You honestly think this person deserved to die for their mistake? I didn't know there was such a thing as water poisoning, and this sounds like a reasonable set of circumstances to me. We're talking about a human life here! A mother of three who she entered the contest for no less. The true gravity of what has happened to her and her family should not be quickly discarded for people to harshly criticize her for not knowing. This is a complete tragedy, not a criminal who electrocuted
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Geeze... it sucks for her kids. To have their mother die, because of an idiotic stunt in order to make a urine joke. God, I'd hate to see their therapy bills when they get older.
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"No one before Tycho had attempted to make so many redundant observations."
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For anyone who thinks only a moron could die this particular way:
Tycho Brahe [wikipedia.org]
OK, firstly, that says that he was supposed to have died from his bladder exploding, not from water intoxication as she did. Then further to that, the wikipedia article states "Recent investigations have suggested that Tycho did not die from urinary problems but instead from mercury poisoning: toxic levels of it have been found in his hair and hair-roots."
So, really, a poor example of someone else dying this way.
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The knowledge is out there, just whether you've heard it or not.
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Here, it was blamed on drug use and not the true killer. Oh well. If it weren't for DEA misinformation perhaps this wii tragedy could have been averted.
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It is in the UK [wikipedia.org].
Re:Killed?? (Score:5, Interesting)
I had to explain to him about alcohol being a diuretic and about excessive water upsetting the electrolyte balance in your blood. Anyway, the point is, I wouldn't say that she is stupid for not knowing this. People aren't generally taught about this problem because it's very unlikely to happen. The only reason that I knew about this was from another similar news story about 8 years ago.
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It's not stupid that people don't know about this, because sadly we aren't taught about it at all, despite it being a constant problem in sports and also the reason for the invention of Gatorade and other sports drinks. Yet again, our pathetic public education system has let us down on something quite basic about our bodies.
And you're right; all the stupid talk about how we supposedly need 8 glasses of water a day makes it worse. I've had people tell me I should be drinking that much water, regardless of how much food or drink I take in. That figure doesn't take into account all the water in your food, for one thing, and drinking that much pure water without electrolytes is a recipe for disaster, or at least a headache.
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Fercryinoutloud, she was drinking dihydrogen monoxide!!!
Dunno about you, but everyone knows that's dangerous stuff. Been in an airport recently? The terrorists are now using it.
More info here [dhmo.org]!
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Maybe not known to you...
It's common knowledge amongst toxicologists that "The dose makes the poison". Everything is toxic at some level, even water.
http://learn.caim.yale.edu/chemsafe/references/do
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Agreed. I seem to recall the bizarre story of an american woman in the seventies and eighties, who happened to have the highest registered IQ in Mensa (her succesor was Marilyn Vos Savant - two females in a row!). This lady, who suffered from manic-depressive disorder, became obsessed with water and made herself force-drink ridiculous amounts of it. She died one day from what was classified as something like 'internal drowning', which is to say, without being submerged in the stuff itself. And she wasn't even trying to hold it in.
It's quite possible that this story may be an urban legend, so if anybody has the facts on had to prove or disprove it, please post!
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Actually, some reports are saying that a nurse called in and warned that drinking too much water is dangerous. See http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/16466174.htm [miami.com] for example.
For that reason, I think the studio should be held liable.
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Similarly, if you were going to hold a snail-eating contest, wouldn't you want to do some research to make sure it wasn't going to put all your participants lives at risk?
I think it could reasonably be argued that most of the contestants expected the people running a contest, or another public event, would have done this kind of research and so would have ignored doing it for themselves (if it even crossed their minds to do some research). The mere fact that someone is publicly holding a contest where snails are eaten implies that (though in this case obviously not correctly) it is safe to eat large quantities of snails or else the company or people sponsoring this contest would not be holding it.
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Let's look at another contest show involving extreme acts. Fear Factor. These people do seemingly incredibly dangerous and/or stupid things: balancing on beams at incredible heights, underwater stunts, staying in boxes with snakes, spiders, etc - either the grossest things. But the truth of the matter is that the venomous animals aren't, the stuff they eat are gross, but safe, they are wearing harnesses at those heights, and there are divers with oxygen tanks ready to give it to the contestant if the first signs of distress. This contest is safe, well researched and the contestants know it, expect it and they have ever right to.
This station screwed up big time. And you can be sure they know it, just bracing for the civil lawsuit or even a criminal indictments. There defense will be we didn't know, or we wouldn't have done it. We'll see how far that gets them.
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If we're picking words, then I'd say she was killed by her ignorance, not stupidity.
If she knew that excess water consumption can kill you, then yes, she was stupid and the station doesn't have a liability.
But did she know that? Did the station inform her? Did the station know? When she started to feel sick, is it reasonable to expect her to go to the emergency room just for drinking water? And even if she had, was it already too late at that point?
I just have questions, not answers, but I also reserve judgment until the details are known.
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According to this [fmqb.com] related article, a nurse called in to the radio station and told them that drinking water like that could be dangerous, and was rebuffed by the DJs. Regardless of whether that was true, it's pretty clear that someone is going to get the shit sued out of them.
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There are 3 children out there who just lost their mother due to a competition noone would have expected could end in death and you see fit to call her stupid and issue glib remarks like "Lady 3 - Darwin 0". I'm sorry, but i find that a bit disgusting.
With regard to her supposed stupidity, the keyword is expected. It's not enough to know that you *could* die from something. I know i could die driving home today, even greater chance because the roads are snowy and icy. If someone veers out of control and hits me on the highway and i die, am i to be called stupid because i decided to drive today? I don't expect to, and neither do the hundreds of thousands of other people out driving.
It seems a lot of people, and me included, before today assumed that drinking a lot of water results in the side effect of needing to pee really bad.
Eating competitions are a widespread recognized sport these days, you don't see Kobayashi dying from eating 50 hot dogs, why should anyone *expect* to die from drinking a lot of water?
The symptoms afterwards were, as far as i know, a bad headache. Well hell, i'd go home and pop and asprin, the last thing i'd be thinking is i need to be hospitalized.
I guess i'm stupid too.
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"She died" is middle voice [wikipedia.org], as are many other intransitive verbs in English. The active and passive voices of this clause are "She killed" and "She was killed". The forms "killed" vs. "died" show suppletion [wikipedia.org] per voice in the same way that "go" vs. "went" show suppletion per tense.
Man, even water can kill you! (Score:4, Interesting)
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Me, well, I like moderation, but I am also a member of the extremist pedantry school of philosophy.
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Other risks come from the chlorine put in tap water to stop bacteria from growing - well the bacteria in your guts you kind of need, for digestion etc. Boiling the water first evaporates off the chlorine, otherwise, you're disinfecting yourself everytime you drink it, an accumulative effect.
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You should tell this to children's hospitals [umich.edu]. Apparently you know something that they don't. Come on, it should be obvious that BABY formula would be fortified at least with sodium, calcium and magnesium.
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Speaking as a former water scientist, this is complete BS. The residual levels of chlorine in drinking water in the UK are minimal, usually no more than 1 mg/l, and are maintained as a precaution to prevent contamination in the ditribution system. There is no way that this amount is capable of destroying bacteria in the gut, and chlorine being the highly reactive element that it is will combine with the first thing it finds when it hits your stomach and render it useless as a disinfectant.
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Become informed of the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide [dhmo.org] before it's too late!
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This is not some mysterious malady. The radio station is off the scale negligent for putting contestants in the position of potential serious harm:
I'd had this argument many times with a friend about my water intake. I've always known my intake was fine (hint: coffee counts...), but in the course of that discussion I found many articles on the problems one could encounter by drinking too much water.
I won't claim any person on the street should know the dangers of drinking too much water, but the people putting on this contest (sorry, stunt) could have recognized they were in deep waters with a modicum of research.
I'm not much for lawsuits, but I hope the radio station that put on this stunt makes significant remedy to the lady's family.
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Well at least they should give her three kids a wii.
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They also mention that the winner felt pretty sick afterwards as well.
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That fact makes the station (and the DJ) criminally negligible for the death. Well, In My Opinion as IANAL and I'm also not American, so I don't know what corporation-friendly laws you will have to counteract this.
They were warned. They still went ahead. That's worse than manslaughter, it's not just being ignorant when you are told by a fucking nurse that
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The nurse doesn't even need to be that specialized - any kind of nurse would probably do.
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My point is/was that to the casual observer (and contestant), signing a waiver and being "warned" (I didn't see anything in the article to suggest they warned how dangerous this was) would seem a mere "standard" formality and for the purposes of participating in a water-drinking contest, absurd. But, the radio station, as I pointed out, with minimal research should have known going in this was dangerous and not even hosted this contest.
The only difference I see between this and a contest where contestants drink as much alcohol as possible to win a Wii is that to the common man, dangers and risks associated with alcohol are much more widely known and understood. And, no radio station in the world would get away with having contestants drink alcohol in a similar fashion, waivers and warnings or not.
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It doesn't mean you wouldn't get off (You might...but you'd still get tried for it in most cases...)- but just because it's a radio station (or other business) doesn't let you off of culpability for this sort of thing.
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The radio station is the one holding the contest. Drinking too much water is a non obvious danger. But the radio station is the one who should perform the due dilligance.
Just because we happen to know that water can be dangerous doesn't mean other people do. And certainly expecting a mother of 3 doing a 'contest' that sounds like something fun and silly to expect any danger from the contest is unreasonable.
Perhaps the most important thing to remember is that generally people, rightly or wrongly, Trust people in charge. Think of the Milgram Experiment as an extreme example. Even though the objectives of the experiment are different, it shows the same underlying principle: people generally listen to people they think are athority figures. And in this case, the contest holders are the athority figures.
Beyond the lawsuit, I would not be shocked to see criminal charges against the people who ran the contest. Their actions directly led to the death of another person.
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Hey, I have an idea! Let's have a contest where people shoot apples off each other's heads William Tell style! I bet that'd get great ratings!
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>but the contestants are not?
Because the radio station is planning the freakin contest. They have staff devoted to planning the thing, and it's their responsibility to make sure that the event goes smoothly and safely.
Sheesh, you could sue the station if you slipped on the ice on their sidewalk. Why would this be any different?
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Yeah, that's an easy one to read.
A nebulous "quit if you feel sick" warning isn't good enough when she could have done the harm before she started to notice any dangerous side effects.
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By the time she felt sick, she was liely past the threshold of easy assistance.
Administering an emetic would not have helped when she felt the onset of a headache - there was already significant edema in her brain and cardiac muscles.
The radio station is in big trouble here. They should have known better, especially when a kid from the commuter college up the road died from water toxicity almost exactly two years ago. [sfgate.com]
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Water intoxication is more common than many of us would like to think. It is part of the reason why many marathons now supply sports drink in addition to water. Newbies in many cases either don't drink enough or cannot stop drinking until water drains them from the inside.
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Her family (Score:5, Funny)
Her family is probably pretty "Pissed". This contest really went down the "Toilet". I can't believe how it's been "Sprayed" all over the news. Talk about a "Drinking Problem". As said to the second place contestant: "Urine" luck! I guess she didn't really get a fair "Shake".
Dangerous! (Score:5, Funny)
http://www.dhmo.org/ [dhmo.org]
This problem can be solved with legislation (Score:5, Funny)
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From Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]:
What is this 8th grade English class?
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Basically, the combination of you drinking too much water and not getting rid of it throws your electrolytes out of whack... you have too much water, so the concentration of electrolytes isn't high enough for your body to carry signals. It happens a lot with marathon runners. Especially runners that don't stop to pee. Many people have died from this even though they were getting enough because they refused to pee out the excess water.
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I'm sad that my initial assumption that this would turn out bad came true. I'd rather be wrong on things like this.
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There are two ways that Gatorade (or Powerade or most any sports drink) would be vastly superior to water. First, the sugar content in a sports drink raises the blood sugar, causing a feeling of satiation. It would be far more difficult to consume two liters of a sports drink than two liters of water (the amount that the lady drank). It's somewhat self-regulating. Second, the isotonic solution wouldn't disrupt the balance in electrolytes, which is the cause of death for this lady.
The use of Gatorade would be safer, by far.
Complain to Their Advertisers (Score:5, Informative)
I've put together the following email addresses of KDND's sponsors, so if you think that the folks at KDND are a bunch of negligent twits who probably don't deserve their advertising dollars then why not email these companies and let them know?
Info@urban-body.com, hr@wyotech.com, smichaels@sierracollege.edu, foundation@sierracollege.edu, marc.goff@US.REDBULL.COM, cs_online@albertsons.com, lgradisher@jewels.com, mediarelations@officedepot.com, communityrelations@officedepot.com, corpcsf@wellsfargo.com, home.pa-newsroom.168d00@statefarm.com, admin@PowerTripBev.com, kburns@ckr.com, chopkins@ckr.com, customerservice@partsamerica.com, oshgift@osh.com, customerservice@tillys.com, info@heald.edu, info@louderlaw.com, dale@sleeptrain.com, webmaster@NissanUSA.com, joseph.l.goode@bankofamerica.com You can also contact KDND's general sales manager at fhormell@entercom.com
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You're plainly wrong, sir. I haven't owned a video game machine since the Atari 2600. I demand an apology; I'm an entirely different kind of fucktard.
Oh, Wait...
Re:"Sue into the poorhouse"? (Score:5, Insightful)
(a) You believe this woman intentionally got herself killed in order to collect easy money from the radio station.
(b) You don't believe that the radio station, which set the rules of this contest and provided enticement for people to participate, was at all negligent in not exploring the possible injuries that could result from it.
(c) Your comment had nothing to do with this case, you just have a problem with lawsuits in general.
Assuming (c), I feel like I should point out that, given the facts as we currently understand them, this would hardly be a frivolous lawsuit. The radio station was clearly negligent in not exploring the hazards of what they were encouraging people to do and, although you may not think it's fair, they have an obligation under the law to do so.
Furthermore, the example you cited with the GPS, aside from sounding like an obvious urban legend, doesn't actually map to this situation. Anyone with a driver's license should know that you look before you turn your car, but understanding the risks of this sort of contest would require some basic medical training. It is therefore reasonable to expect a driver to look before turning and not reasonable to expect the average person to understand the health risks of this sort of activity.
Which is, ultimately, why we as a society have lawsuits like this. The radio station was obligated to do their due-diligence before enticing people into this behavior. And that's why they're going to get clobbered by the lawsuit that will come from this.
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Drinking a gallon of water in one sitting is pretty stupid. Co
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