January Game Sales Explode, Wii Dominates 478
njkid1, as he does from time to time, passed us a link to a story on the GameDaily site. Today they're discussing the January NPD numbers for the games industry. In short, they're terrific. Software sales totaled $549 million for the month, up a staggering 53 percent over last year. Hardware sales were brisk as well, with the Wii selling around 436,000 units. Trailing behind were Microsoft and Sony, with 360 hitting 294,000 units sold and the PS3 selling 244,000 units. January had an extra week, which resulted in 'inflated' sales, but even after normalizing the data things were tremendous for the games industry in a month where there's normally a post-holiday slump.
Troubling for Sony (Score:5, Insightful)
If Nintendo keeps numbers like this up though, the PS3/360 debate becomes moot. They would be the undisputed sales leader by the middle of next year. Even the PS2 rarely broke 400,000 units during a non-holiday-season month. And who knows what they Wii sales figures would be if they could keep up with demand.
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Yeah, it would be as crazy/ impossible as them moving Dragon Quest to the DS.
oh, wait.
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They said the same thing about FF7 showing up on the PS1.
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ROFLOL. Sorry, that's been one of my pet peeves for some time now. Check the box again. As pretty as they look none of the FF games (or Kingsdom Hearts) run in progressive scan (at least on the PS2). Some run in 16:9 widescreen, but they are all 480i.
FFXI is 480p on the X-box 360, and if you
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HDTV is the future, but not the Present. (Score:4, Interesting)
Why are so many people so shortsighted? HDTV is the future.
HD may be the future, but the issue is it isn't the present. Currently I own an HDTV, and an HD DVD player. I enjoy them immensely, but I am (by having them) in the minority. About 17% of households in the US have 1 or more HDTVs. That means 83% don't, and our adoption rates have been better than either Japan and Europe. Now HD is a niche (albeit growing) market. It will take several more years for it to hit mainstream adoption. DVD only surpassed VHS sales after the players hit the $50 and under price point.
In 5-10 years it may be mainstream, but Nintendo has banked that it won't hit 'critical mass' within the 4-6 year life expectancy of the Wii. I'll bet that the next Nintendo will push HD, but in the interest to cater to the largest possible market they have chosen SD.
Re:Troubling for Sony (Score:4, Interesting)
Even $500 is too much, though: I paid about $250 for my TV, and in my mind that's how much TVs cost. Judging from the installed base, I'm not the only one with that opinion. I've seen HDTVs in lobbies, casinos, bars, and electronics stores, and I've been bombarded with advertising for them, but I've only ever seen one HDTV in an actual house, and it was a rear projection unit that looked awful.
Why are so many people so shortsighted? HDTV is the future.
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I asked to be shown a 1080i set versus a 1080p set, and though each had a video feed native to its resolution I wasn't able to see enough of a difference to warrant spending nearly twice as much.
720p and 1080i are beautiful. I'm sure people with the eyes of a hawk will be able to see stark differences between
Re:Troubling for Sony (Score:5, Insightful)
The PS2 had a handfull of 720p games and 1 1080i game (GT4) so if they were about pushing the boundries... why didn't they? Others proved higher resolutions were possible. Hell 480p from 480i should have been dirt simple to do by comparison.
its pretty hard to imagine them passing up two systems with superior graphical power for the Wii.
Actually it's pretty easy to imagine. If they wanted superior graphics, FF would never have been on a Sony Platform. There were more powerful systems competing with both the PS1, and the PS2.
Square went where the market was. The same logic that got them on the Sony boat to begin with; was the same logic used to move the Dragon Quest Series off the PS2 and onto the DS. It is the same logic that can be used to move FF to the Wii. They aren't about pushing graphical boundries, they are about pushing units of software.
Re:Troubling for Sony (Score:5, Informative)
They also had a high profile falling out with nintendo too. They have since reconciled.
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Of that Era The Saturn was a better 2D machine (it's a shame, it could have been a contender), and the PS1 didn't have 'comparable graphics' to the N64 (unless you feel the PS2 had 'comparable graphics' to the X-box). The N64 was much better at 3D modeling.
The rosey colored glasses come on though with the PS1 since we all remember the Pre-r
Re:Troubling for Sony (Score:5, Insightful)
Wii is a winner because people CAN afford it. Exactly the same happened with "inferior" Nintendo DS. Strange that Sony didn't learn the lesson.
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Troubling for Sony? Doubtful (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Troubling for Sony? Doubtful (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Troubling for Sony? Doubtful (Score:4, Insightful)
I think the Wii is something entirely different and if done correctly Sony could still retain their core gamer generation market who like fast action zillions of polygons and l337 skills whilst Nintendo will exist happily with their more family oriented gaming set.
Its capturing an entire class of gamers which just wouldn't even have purchased a console before, its a similar story with the DS - you have people playing on these things that wouldn't even consider another game system.
I cannot ever imagine my parents owning any playstation or xbox, but I think Nintendo might just have themselves another sale based upon their reaction to our Wii when they played last night.
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Re:Troubling for Sony? Doubtful (Score:4, Insightful)
Publishers (Score:4, Insightful)
The fact is that (if the Wii continues to sell like it has been) the Wii will be the best selling platform in the World by Christmas 2007, and probably will be the best selling platform in every region by Christmas 2008; if this happens every publisher who has worldwide interests (think every major publisher) will focus on the Wii by Christmas 2007, and every publisher will be focusing on the Wii by Christmas 2008.
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The fact is that there is a well knowna cycle for the dominant console "The dominant console sells more units because it has the best games, the best games are only available for the dominant console because it sells more units." There is no talk of graphics, sound, HD or physics because they have (nearly) no impact on the purchasing habits of the general public. The PS3/XBox 360 will have some a
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Re:Troubling for Sony? Doubtful (Score:4, Insightful)
I want a game that's fun. I don't really care about how it looks. If there's a great storyline with a reasonable interface, that's fun.
It's got to be a "droppable" game, too. I don't want to have to run around for another 30-60 minutes trying to find a save point. That stops being fun pretty damned fast. It's one of the reasons I've cut down on playing video games and moved to mostly playing board games.
My wife and I are getting a Wii next December, once all the plebeians have found the bugs. Sure, it doesn't have the HD power of the PS3. Who cares? Nintendo decided to stop chasing the eye-candy tech and go back to the core of games.
Games should be fun.
If you want pretty, then watch a movie. Oh, wait. You are, since the ads and the box art are usually stills or pre-rendered video that looks nothing like the actual game.
Re:Troubling for Sony (Score:5, Funny)
Not Troubling for Sony (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Not Troubling for Sony (Score:4, Insightful)
The PS3 is in an entirely different environment. It doesn't matter if it's selling better than the 360 did at launch. It's not competing against the 360 one year ago. It's competing against the 360 (and the Wii) now. It has to sell better than the 360 is selling now, not last year. If two people are racing, and one is given a head start, it doesn't make much sense for the second person to say, "well I'm running faster than he was when he started out". It might be a nice consolation, but he's still going to lose the race. The PS3 has a lot of ground to make up and they're not doing it. In fact they're losing ground.
Sony is in a bad position. They need to make some corrections to their plan. A price drop is the most obvious, but a good library would help too. It can't just be a good library though. It has to be a better library than the 360's, and they have to remember that that's a moving target. The Titanic is sinking and Sony's on deck playing classical music. All this spinning the numbers and looking at things through rose colored glasses isn't helping. It's just keeping people from seeing the problems.
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Re:Troubling for Sony (Score:5, Informative)
"Post Holiday Slump" (Score:2)
That doesn't mean it isn't good news for the industry though, but I just thought it was a little obvious. However, it's interesting to see that Nintendo seems to be making more units than PS3, or PS3 isn't selling all of their units they make.
A story in itself... (Score:3, Insightful)
This in itself is good story. Keep in mind that Sony PS3's and Microsoft Xbox 360's are widely available and on stores shelves everywhere, while the Wii's are still in short supply. In spite of that, the Wii is still outselling both. If you're Microsoft, you can always claim that it's because the 360 has been out for a year, and it's total sales are (of course) much higher at this point.
But if you're Sony, that's just got to hurt.
/still wants a Wii...
Re:A story in itself... (Score:5, Funny)
On a positive note, the PS3 has passed up the 3DO in sales (*thumbs up!*)
Another hidden story, from the article:
"And the PS2 also continues to outperform the PS3; Sony's six-year-old system sold 299K units."
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Re:A story in itself... (Score:4, Informative)
Correction: There are 20-30 games (see sibling who disputes this figure) that don't function on the PS3. During the month of January, there was a far higher number of games (easily over 50%) that didn't function properly. To be specific, the PS2 emulation wasn't providing the full graphical quality of the PS2. As a result, the games were looking outright terrible when played on a PS3.
Sony recently fixed this problem with the release of the 1.5 patchset for the PS3.
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Let me know if you want one. They've got pallets of them at my local Fry's. (Atlanta, GA)
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Where? (Score:2)
In that case, where are you!!?
(I'm not kidding. I'm not asking for your home address, just tell me enough info so that I can find and call the store where you saw this. I'd like to check out this wonderful place that has managed to keep Wiis in stock for more than a few hours, something no store I've checked in Atlanta has done in months.)
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Here's the hard truth: Games sell consoles. Not brands, not power, not fanboys. Games.
There are no compelling games for the PS3 yet, so it is not selling. End of story.
The only "news" on the availability front is that Nintendo can't meet demand after their system has been on the market for three months. It's not news because it means demand is high (that's an acceptable excuse the fi
Re:A story in itself... (Score:5, Interesting)
When was the last time Nintendo sold 500,000 consoles per month during a non-holiday season in just North America? Dude, that is a LOT of consoles. So many that the Wii has sold almost half as many units as the XBox 360 has sold in its entire lifetime. So many that Nintendo has already sold about 1/4 of the units that the Gamecube sold in its entire lifetime.
Think about that. 1/4 the number of Gamecubes in 1/4 of a year. Wow. I'd hate to be the guy who management is leaning on to improve Nintendo's production capacity.
The big story people won't mention (Score:3, Informative)
And here's the fact you don't see in the press--combined with the sales of the DS and GBA, that makes Nintendo the #1 console manufacturer in the world.
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436,000 is only for the U.S. I said North America.
I was speaking of total units worldwide at that point. Sorry, I should have clarified. Estimated worldwide units of XBox 360 are ~10 million while Wii sales are currently estimated to be approching 5 million units. If you
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They've also had full shelves of PS3s for the past...month and a half.
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Re:A story in itself... (Score:5, Insightful)
"Oh give the fanboy bullshit a rest!"
What is it with this "fanboy" ad hominem nonsense? It must really sting to see wimpy Nintendo kicking your techno-powerhouse asses all over the schoolyard.
I have owned a PSX and PS2 and loved both. I considered myself a dedicated Sony customer until they tried to sell Blu-ray to me through an incremental-improvement (don't start citing the specs, I'm taking playability) game platform. If I was in the market for a Blu-ray player, I would consider PS3 a bargain. I'm not, though, so it looks to me like an overpriced boondoggle offering no real gains. I probably will buy a PS3 some day to get a bargain blu-ray player and keep my PSX/PS2 library playable. Plus there's bound to be some must-have game for the platform (probably the next Wipeout) that will drive me. Right now I simply have no reason.
I bought a Wii and I love it. I owned the original NES until around 1990, bought a GC to play Godzilla Destroy All Monsters Melee (before it was ported) but other than that have never been particularly partial to Nintendo. I bought a Wii because it looked like *fun* for me and my wife and kids to play together and it is!
So, if anyone needs to give the "fanboy bullshit" a rest, it's all you jackasses claiming the Wii is a fan phenomenon. It is winning because it is selling to fans and to new customers of all kinds, whether they are existing gamers or not. It is winning because it is a blast to play, just like Pac Man or Doom are still fun, in all their pixelated glory.
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I must say that "immersive graphics can only improve gaming" is 100% false ...
I remember in 2001 and 2002 the XBox fanboys always were showing screenshots of their games claiming that all of t
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More processing power doesn't increase the cost of making a game, it actually makes it cheaper since there is less need for optimizations. What makes games more expensive are the expectation of the gamers, you however can't solve that problem by just making a low-power console, since at least the normal gamers will then simply avoid the system, since it doesn't ship the games they want.
Re:A story in itself... (Score:5, Funny)
Wow! Did I just get called a Nintendo zealot?
I don't even own a Nintendo! I own an Xbox 360 which is pretty neat, an old PS2 that I don't play any more, and a PSP which I haven't played after the first couple of months of getting it. (Talk about unfulfilled expectations!)
The last piece of Nintendo equipment I owned was an old—THE ORIGINAL!—Nintendo Entertainment System console, which I sold used over 15 years ago.
The reason I want a Wii so badly is because 1) I have an Xbox 360, and though it's fun to play with sometimes, it's really not that special, 2) I have seen absolutely nothing from the PS3 that merits any attention whatsoever (let alone $600 of my hard-earned cash!), and 3) the Wii looks like a lot of fun and a lot different from the ho-hum games that I'm so bored with now. Maybe I'm wrong, but according to what my friends who have managed to procure one say, I'm not.
Heh. A guy who hasn't owned a Nintendo console in over a decade and a half gets called a zealot because he wants a Wii and points out how well they're selling. That's a good one.
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Actually, it's more that great graphics and an affordable system are mutually exclusive. I don't have $500 or $600 to spend on a game system. Even if I get a 360 (I like it, but it's still a little too expensive) it doesn't look all that impressive on a standard TV (I've heard so
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Actually that was my very first reaction after seeing the intro of Zelda. The graphics got better later on, but the low-polycount in the environment was pretty damn ugly in the intro, seeing Epona riding a long a cliff which was literally build out of five polygons really isn't exactly what I call beautiful, not even by last-gen standards.
Currently most Wii games focus on unrealistic and stylized graphics, so the lack of power
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As far as I know, 360 is still doing pretty terrible in Japan.
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No, I'm missing something.
Anyone see half a brain lying around? The half I've got left only knows how to drink coffee and post on
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Say what? From the FIRST sentence of the article: "The NPD Group has finally released its data for the month of January, and it was yet another stellar period for the U.S. video game industry. "
This is the US we're talking about. In Japan, I believe the X360 is being outsold by the Dreamcast (kidding, but close). If the X360 would be outselling the PS3 in Japan, Sony might as well just go home.
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everything is still continuing to outsell the 360 in Japan. (if this continues we might even have multiple winners over different territories for the first time.
Wii Games Need More Selection (Score:5, Insightful)
I picked up Madden over Christmas, and I was quite impressed; in fact it's the first Madden that's impressed me since the 16 bit era (I always liked the NFL 2K/ESPN sports more). I wish more sports titles come out and are able to execute as well. I'm definitely interested in a dedicated tennis/golf game, and I'm a bit concerned that I haven't heard of any coming out. I hope it's not due to the lack of accuracy of the wiimote. The Wii has a ton of potential, I just hope the Wii lives up to it.
Re:Wii Games Need More Selection (Score:4, Insightful)
I agree completely, but buying any console at launch is going to leave you feeling the bite of scarce game variety. When a console has only been out a number of months you can count on one hand, there just hasn't been time for the breadth and depth of software we like to choose from to reach the market.
Right now is a ripe time to pick up a 360 however, I'd imagine that has something to do with the stronger-than-PS3 sales. For many, I'm betting the marginal utility of a PS3 is far smaller than the price. That makes the 360 look pretty tasty to those in the market for a more traditional graphics powerhouse gaming machine.
Things could be looking different give a year or so. As is always, only time will tell.
For now though, I wouldn't want to be Sony.
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I also think that most people are ignoring the majority of games for the Wii due to gaming preferences... If you only like sports and zelda then youre missing out on quite a few driving/racing games.
IMHO, when online play starts working
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The killer stat (Score:4, Interesting)
Sony loses money on each PS/3, in the hopes that they'll make it up with licensing fees from the games they sell.
Nintendo doesn't. AFAIK, they've yet to sell any of their consoles at a loss in an effort to gain marketshare.
So Sony is losing money to Nintendo on the front end (hardware) and the back end (software).
That's gonna hurt...
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Hopefully... (Score:5, Interesting)
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I think this is also
The most telling number (Score:5, Interesting)
February's numbers should be interesting.
They're dominating even more in Japan (Score:5, Interesting)
http://kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/hardware-wars-d
Here are the current hardware sales in the land of the rising sun for the week of February 4th to the 11th.
* Nintendo DS Lite - 201,177
* Wii - 78,550
* PSP - 32,175
* PLAYSTATION 3 - 23,431
* PlayStation 2 - 16,033
* Xbox 360 - 4,811
* Game Boy Advance SP - 980
* Game Boy micro - 884
I rather like the comment which noted the following:
Wii Sales > PSP sales + PS3 sales + PS2 sales + 360 sales + GBA sales + Micro sales
DS Sales > Wii Sales + PSP sales + PS3 sales + PS2 sales + 360 sales + GBA sales + Micro sales
It is not that they sold twice as many Wiis (Score:2, Informative)
In other words, those stacks of boxes you see in gameshops are not an illusion, but just the tip of the stockroom iceberg.
Now if I could only find a Wii LAN adapter and WiiPlay
Guess p
Wii LAN Adapter (Score:3, Informative)
You can get identical functionality with certain Non-Nintendo LAN adapters. [nintendo.com] As the thread describes, it appears that you simply need one with matching vid/pid numers, and there appear to be several matching brands.
(I have used one of these with my Wii, and it works flawlessly, but at less expense and with fewer supply shortages.)
PS3/360 vs WII (Score:3, Insightful)
Casual gamers are likely to have a lower attach rate for games because it takes them longer to go through them. Mario Galaxy might only last a gamer a weekend but a casual three months. So we may see a 3:1:1 install base and still have PS3/360 get more exclusives because they can still sell more games. Hard to say. I myself spend between $100-$225 (a new games costs $69.99 CND for the ps2 on avg) CND a mo for games. I'm not sure what a casual gamer will spend.
My Perspective (Score:3, Interesting)
I bought the PS3 first (11th Nov 2006) & was pretty impressed from day one. Of the few games I owned back then, I felt that gameplay & atmosphere was superior to that on the xBox360 (that I had played at friends houses)
When I talk about "gameplay & atmosphere" I mean this - the way that a game can draw you in, inspire you to play, leave you wanting more, a compelling story with rewarding/challenging gameplay.
I consider Resistance to have a moderate amount of this, CoD3 lots, Halo very little.
Some months later I bought an xBox360. I was disappointed at range of games available on the PS3 & their slow appearance. I expect this to pick up in the next few months, but at the moment only MGS has me drooling.
I was pleasantly surprised with the xBox360. I picked up a few decent games right away & at the moment I play the xBox360 much more that the other two consoles. Deadrising is fiendishly difficult, but very addictive & compelling. It even inspired me to watch "Dawn of the Dead" on a saturday morning before diving into some zombie chopping action.
xBox live is a great feature, despite my previous opinion that it wasnt something I would use - the demos etc are a real bonus.
My 2 small gripes about the xBox360 are the subscription fee for online play & the noise of the xbox fans. It is very noisy compared to the silent PS3.
Otherwise, I put the xBox360 above the PS3. More games & more fun. But I wouldnt rule out the PS3 yet, I think there will still be some nice things to come.
The Wii was a bit of a novelty buy. I didnt expect it to form a big part of my gaming life - & I was right. The innovative control system is indeed inspired & great fun, but the games are just time fillers. Wii sports is, erm, well not much more than a demo. I can see it being nice for children aged 3-8, but beyond that it's not really for serious games.
I have this great Marble game though, you are a marble & you roll around on various floating mazes to reach the goal. This game really does get addictive & I often play it for 10 mins or so to warm up before getting into some real hi-def arcade action on the xBox360 or PS3.
The Wii is selling well. It's cheap. I put this down to: people don't look beyond the price for their purchase / or / they are crap at games
What Sony needs (Score:3, Interesting)
Remove the hard drive and bluray drive. Replace blu-ray with a Sony DVD drive and make the HDD optional add on if possible.
If Sony removed those two components with lower cost solutions, they could knock off $100-$200. They could easily sell a PS3 at $299-$399 instead. That is a much better price point. PS3 could compete with both 360 and Wii better.
'Dominates'? (Score:4, Interesting)
Personally, I'm skeptical as to whether Nintendo can keep the same momentum going given the lack of software in the pipeline. And additionally, as a gamer I hope that everyone is dead wrong about them dominating the market. I'm not a casual gamer, and while a few fun gimmicky toy games like Wii sports are great, I would die if everything was like that. For me, the games Nintendo seem to be pushing are like candy - they taste great, but they burn away pretty quickly and in the end you can't sustain yourself on them.
Sony Australia tries "Sweeteners" to soften blow (Score:3, Informative)
FTA: The launch of Sony's PlayStation 3 next month will be accompanied by a host of freebies that Sony hopes will take the sting out of the game console's $999 price tag. The James Bond film Casino Royale will be offered free to the first 20,000 buyers who register their PS3 online. Additionally the game Gran Turismo: HD will be available to all PS3 buyers as a free download from the PlayStation Network.
Article: http://www.smh.com.au/news/games/sony-unveils-play station-sweetners/2007/02/22/1171733923601.html [smh.com.au]
Wii had better improve quickly (Score:3, Interesting)
So my feeling is that PS3, and 360 may lose the early rounds this year, but based upon the kind of games on the gamecube, the wii games so far, and my boredom with controller, Nintendo should be moderately successful but never enjoy numeric dominance of the market. PS3 has the best platform, and once it gets some more games under its belt will begin to dominate the game market for yet another generation. 360 will come in second, once again hampered by the kind of dumb design decisions Microsoft makes, and Nintendo will be the console that kids and parents like but never buy enough games to matter. But Nintendo likes its niche, so I can't say that it is a bad thing for them.
Thank you Sony shill (Score:5, Insightful)
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-stormin
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On one hand, I hope that he is a paid shill, because its sad to think that someone is so emotionally invested in a toy. On the other hand, I also hope he isn't, because lets face it, he's pretty incompetent at the whole astroturf thing.
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For now.
You don't know any PS3 game devs, do you. I don't know any that are praising the system. Gee, wouldn't want it _easier_ for the devs now, would we!
Sony has really alienated its PS2 game devs -- that the guys you want to IMPRESS, not dissuade from the hardware. As much as I love developing for the PS2, one really has to wonder what the crack the Sony Engineers were smoking.
Using your bad math, Sony still loses (Score:3, Informative)
About 300k PS2s and 244k PS3s - just wow. That's almost 550k consoles Sony sold in January alone.
Man, last place never looked so good!
Nintendo
Wii - 436K
DS - 239K
GBA - 179K
GC - 34K
total: 888K consoles.
Oops, I forgot ridiculous rounding... OMGz! Nintendo sold about 1 Million consoles!
Sony
PS3 - 244K
PS2 - 299K
PSP - 211K
total: 754K consoles. Did I even need to mention the GameCube?
And, use some common sense
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Wii is outselling PS3 almost 4:1
For every 1 PS3 there are almost 10 Xbox 360's
Sony = awesome?
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Re:Numbers Not Really Surprising (Score:4, Insightful)
It's a bit too early to call the game altogether. We're talking millions and tens of millions in an industry where the biggest player last round sold over 100 million consoles. We'll start seeing real indications when more exclusive games start comming around.
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I own all 3.
Nice try tho.
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Source for "record setting preorders" in Europe? What is this based on?
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And its not damage control to point out that sales != installed base. This applies for GameCube, Xbox, Wii, PS2... any console. It just isn't true.
If anything is pathetic, its going around insulting people on Slashdot, and calling people fanboys when you are an incredibly huge fanboy yourself.
Re:Record Setting Pre-Orders (Score:2)
I'm not saying this is what is happening, it is just a possibility.