Brain/Computer Gaming Interface Coming in 2008 129
An anonymous reader writes "Emotiv Systems today unveiled a brain/computer interface system with a helmet and software applications at the Game Developers Conference in San Francisco. The Project Epoc system can move objects based on a gamer's thoughts, reflect facial expressions, and respond to the excitement or calm the gamer mentally exerts, the company said....While Emotiv is not yet ready to announce any partnerships, [they] did say the product will be coming to market in 2008."
Well. (Score:1, Insightful)
Infection in the brain is bad.
Well, how do they plan to hook up the player? Some helmet might work if the user shaves their head..
It'll probably work as well as the Phantom Console (Vaporware).
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I said that "invasive technology on brain-digital connection, and it works the best".
There's many scientists working on brain-digital interfaces so that handicapped people can do as the rest of us.
What data can you gather from a helmet most likely sitting on hair? Guess what.. you dont get much at all.
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I guess you could say it works better with an "open mind."
Jokes aside, this seems like learning to control a body part. Children are constantly refining their internal models of motion as they grow and gain dexterity, so it makes sense that they would learn more quickly than an adult. People who suffer from nerve damage usually recover more quickly and more completely if they have self confidence. It's not mind-over-matter exactly, but those who believe they will fail likely will.
Still makes me wonder why bother (Score:3, Interesting)
And the most successful interfaces and peripherals are those who don't require much practice either. Take the mouse for example. I actually made t
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You might, some of us on the other hand are obsessive compulsive players who will put in years playing the same game (Americas Army) in order to b
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Did they? Not accoring to this site here:
http://www.americasarmy.com/ [americasarmy.com]
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Cant speak for before then obviously but during the past 2 I have played about once a week at least.
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They release a new version fairly regularly and I always download via their site. I also visit to read the forums and such.
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Invasive may work the best but this is for a game, only an idiot would undergo an invasive surgery to play a videogame.
I don't see this panning out for at least another 5 years. I agree with you, yes, hair would be a problem. Sorry if I came across as combative. My intent wasn't to be rude.
Re:Well. (Score:5, Funny)
Where do I sign up??
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You overestimate people.
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Hey, take it easy on the fellow dude... see how he writes, you can only presume he was a subject of these studies he talks about. See when he ways the connection often infects the brain? So, that's it. And judging by his signature, I can only assume he suffered some brain injury.
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The atari 2600 had it way back when...see link below.
http://www.atarihq.com/museum/2678/mindlink.html [atarihq.com]
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"Using the muscles in ones head, a person was to control the paddle at the bottom of the screen. Needless to say, people began to suffer from headaches as soon as the pace of the game started to quicken."
That's quite a bit different than this product. Something a bit closer (and cooler) are the Wild Divine games. [wilddivine.com]
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Danger! (Score:5, Funny)
I can't wait for an 'adult' game to kill someone with a feedback loop of excitement and stimulation. That would be awesome.
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Been there (Score:4, Interesting)
Sorry, no links. The only thing I remember about it, it was around 1995-96 and I think I saw an add in gamepro for it.
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nw? (Score:1)
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http://spikelab.jbpierce.org/Publications/wessberg _N&V_nature2000.pdf [jbpierce.org]
discussing how a monkey was able to feed itself using a brain-controlled robot hand. it goes into a bit of technical detail also - quite interesting (or informative, depending how this post get's modded).
picture in this article here:
http://www.engadget.com/2005/02/18/the-thought-con trolled-robotic-arm/ [engadget.com]
Sounds great.. (Score:1, Funny)
2005 (Score:1)
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with mind controls,now i put on a helmet, quite a different approach
won't you say?
Now (Score:5, Funny)
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marketing plan (Score:5, Funny)
Release titles include "GTA: Bread Crust", "Microsoft Flight Simulator 2007: Parked Lexus Alley", and of course the much anticipated "The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Hideous Chinese Biolab Bay".
Oh man (Score:1)
Do I need to get an adapter for my USB bio-port? (Score:1)
Bio-ports were made fashionable by the Cronenberg film Existenz btw.
"In the near-future, "eXistenZ" is the newest and greatest gaming experience from designer Allegra Geller (Jennifer Jason Leigh). She meets Ted Pikul (Jude Law), a novice security guard, at a public preview of the new game. eXistenZ is part of an organic gaming system, the main console of which - the MetaFlesh Game-Pod (!) - is a living
Project Epoc (Score:1)
Sounds scary, doesn't it?
Sweet (Score:2)
the big question that needs to be answered.... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Legit devices shouldn't require magical thinkin (Score:2, Insightful)
Sorry (Score:1)
But thanks for playing and please accept this lovely home version of our game as a parting gift.
More info and a picture (Score:4, Informative)
Looks like they're looking for people to test their brain control devices on...
http://www.gumtree.com.au/sydney/07/8397907.html [gumtree.com.au]
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Ok that's just awesome.
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You will be assimilated (Score:1)
3..2..1... (Score:4, Funny)
TLF
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I already have a brain-computer interface (Score:2, Insightful)
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Sorry I couldn't resist.
TLF
Sounds good to me (Score:5, Interesting)
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About time! (Score:2, Funny)
Of course, this could be a problem in The Sims. I can see my wife accidentally screwing up in the game because she briefly thought about cooking dinner or playing with the dog. Of course, if her sims kept accidentally getting it on, then I would have a good signal
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Of course, if her sim-chick kept going next door to bounce up and down on the neighbor, you might not be so pleased about this particular technological development...
Quick--Contact Wesley Crusher! (Score:2)
Those damn aliens are trying to take over humankind again using The Game [startrek.com]!
Sounds like eXistenZ (Score:1, Redundant)
It is a odd movie.
This will not work. (Score:3, Insightful)
The correlation between the users intent, and what actually happens.
If a device cannot do what the user intends at an optimal level, then it is a poor input device, and will be doomed to fail.
At this point in time, we don't have the technology to get a correlation between intent and what happens high enough to use consistently as an input device. When we do, it still will be a long way from the sort of complex controls required in the majority of modern games.
Not Only For Games (Score:5, Insightful)
I can imagine this being useful for other things than games in the long run. This, of course, would be the more obvious Neuromancer style future where your control over the computer is almost entirely brain based. Once again, with sufficient resolution in a device like this one you could probably type at the speed you can think. You would be able to give 'voice commands' faster than you can talk. Need to view another object on your screen? Just think about it.
The ramifications would be enormous. What if people could write a book in half the time simply because they were no longer constantly distracted by their own typing? Even further into the future when there is some kind of feedback device, maybe you would be able to 'feel' your way around data, rapidly moving through it at the speed of your thoughts. Perhaps you would ultimately be able to search faster and better than Google.
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And as long as we're talking about feedback:
"I know kung fu."
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Medical Applications Barely Mentioned (Score:5, Insightful)
It makes me wonder if this is just a lot of hot air to get a company's name thrown around in places like Slashdot. Yay! Control video games with your brain! Then why is it researchers at the National Institutes of Health as recently as two years ago still couldn't get a similar technology to work with a level of accuracy greater than that of random chance just to tell whether a person was going to move their right or left arm before the motion actually took place? Oh, and those analyses were done with EEG, which involves the use of a skullcap with 30+ electrical leads stuck directly to a person's scalp with a special electro-conductive gel. I'm sure if that's required to make this "helmet" work, it probably won't go over too well since setting up a clinical EEG skullcap takes upwards of 10 minutes and can be rather painful, depending on how much hair a person has.
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Further, I've heard of several cases in which stroke victims or people who hav
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There may be a couple of reasons. First, the computer gaming market is a lot bigger than the quadriplegic market. Would you rather try to sell sell a $100 product to a million geeked-out gamers, or a $100K product to a thousand quadriplegics? If it makes a hit with the first million, you can bet that market's going to gr
Saw this 15+ years ago (Score:4, Interesting)
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Almost everything on that show, ever
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They took 45 minutes to give you maybe 15 minutes of actual material. Most of it was concept cars that you might otherwise have seen at a car show. Full of impossible or unmarketable vapourware, eventually the show degraded into a blatant marketing exercise.
No way. Duke Nukem Forever 2008... (Score:1)
No way they're getting more than 2 even after *long* training periods from EEG without using exotic (and accordingly expensive) components.
Metaverse has arrived (Score:2, Interesting)
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Real Deal (Score:1)
Proof of Suckage (Score:5, Insightful)
Excuse the troll-like subject title above, but if a neuro interface that could actually reflect precise movements and commands had been invented, the company would be running straight to the vastly more lucrative military market long before taking a look at home consoles.
The fact that its coming straight to home consoles suggests that hype and hope will be the products primary market drivers.
My two cents.
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Been there, done that.... (Score:5, Informative)
In other news.. (Score:1)
The company responded with a statement announcing that the reason was to make sure they were not doing or thinking evil.
I am (Score:1)
Breen? (Score:1)
FTFA: "[...] according to Breen."
What? No one is concerned that we have a Mr. Breen in charge of research? Are they sponsored by a company called Black Mesa by any chance?
Its only the beginning ...
Good, but i think about MANY different things (Score:2)
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Then you would either have to learn not to think those things and to concentrate on the game, stop using the controller, or suck at using it.
Grump (Score:2)
This is not new (Score:1)
Veritech Pilot (Score:1)