80 Gig PS3 For South Korea, Slow April for Sony 145
The South Koreans are about to see the PlayStation 3 launched in their nation, and they're getting a treat the rest of the world will have to wait on: a PS3 with an 80 gig hard drive. Meanwhile, NPD numbers show that the company's games division suffered greatly during April, likely as a result of few titles released during that month. "Though the company saw a bump in PSP sales, Nintendo DS continues to curb stomp the portable PlayStation. More disappointing, however, must have been seeing PlayStation 3 decline in sales of almost 50,000 units between March and April ... If April was tough, May looks bleaker. Karraker wouldn't speculate on sales, but outside of MLB 07: The Show's release at the end of April, there are no first-party releases coming to PS3 in May. In fact, there are only two May PS3 games period: Surf's Up and Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End. Both are multi-platform releases."
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Sony's stock overall just hit a five year high due to their exceeding sales in other departments.
That's not really correct. Sony's stock raised after the electronics maker forecast a six-fold jump in annual profit on sales of LCD TVs and expectations for smaller losses in its game division.
Reuters article here [reuters.com]
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The reason why I
Console News (Score:5, Interesting)
What I've found interesting is that I've been reading a lot of news about upcoming PS3 releases recently, (not necessarily releases coming this month of course.) Conversely, it seems that news about the Wii have been tapering off - certainly from what the volume when it was first released. xbox360 news seems to have been holding steady.
This is, of course, an entirely subjective observation. Anyone care to corroborate or counter what I've noticed?
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However: Nintendo announced its (and a few 3rd party titles as well) Summer release schedule, and during this or before (I've forgotten) we found that Smash Bros, Galaxies, and Metroid are still set to ship this year
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Sony better get their game on or they're gonna get trounced.
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Here's to a Naked and Petrified Natalie Portman, along with a bowl of hot grits!
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Sony did their Gamer's Day press conference last week (or the week before, I really can't remember) and many third parties joined in on releasing a lot of information about upcomming PS3/PSP games
Nintendo is doing a very similar conference today and tomorow and will (likely) have a similar number of titles announced.
Even without new titles, if you check out release dates the Wii has roughly the same number of titles announced until the end of the year as the PS3. The main difference is the Wii has far (FAR) more titles being released before September than the PS3 does; it is hypothetically possible that the Wii's (post september) line-up will grow at Nintendo's conference, E3 and TGS until it is far greater than the PS3's (post september) line-up.
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Poor Anonymous Coward Sony Fanboy Troll ...
You used to at least talk about how great the PS3 was before you bashed the Wii, have things gotten so dark for the PS3 that even you can
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Not only is the third party Wii library a joke
Yeah, games like Godfather: Blackhand Edition, Elebits, Trauma Center, Madden or Rayman really are jokes. No, wait, they're not - even the ports are often better on the Wii than on other consoles.
but the big first party titles like Metroid are looking like crap.
Yeah, because Metroid: Prime is only about the third-highest rated game of all time, so the sequel surely must be crap.
I'm not even sure why you bothered to post. Nobody is going to take your fanboy ranting seriously.
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(Yes, I own both, but there's no question the Wii is getting much more developer love at the moment)
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For 360 - only thing remotely interesting is Halo 3
For Wii - you'll be getting the much awaited "operating room" & "learn to cook with mum" or whatever they're called...
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Also of some interest is what happens when you replace PS3 with PS2 [google.com].
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Price + Lack of games (Score:4, Insightful)
1.) Console too expensive to justify buying given lack of games.
2.) Less consumers adopt PS3.
3.) Developers see gamers going to other platform, eliminate exclusives.
4.) Repeat (1), removing PS3 exclusives gone multi-platform from equation.
Wii By a landslide, 360 with a strong following, PS3 in a small niche. All will have some great games, but Sony will get some much deserved humiliation.
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Also, the Wii will probably have to have a shorted lifecycle than the PS3. It just doesn't have the power for AI or graphics. While those elements don't have anything to do with fun...a lot of developers do want to have more capability and the Wii is going to be limited to more casual games. This isn't a criticism of the Wii...I am glad Nintendo viewed next gen as how you control the game and that MS and Sony viewed next gen as power and HD. I just think the Wii is going to lose steam as soon as third party vendors realize they won't sell as many games on the Wii and that they are limited by the older hardware. And this isn't really speculation...this has happened on every Nintendo console (i.e. Third parties peform poorly compared to first party games in sales more than on other platforms)
As a side note, I find it interesting how many people love the Wii on here compared to the gamers I know in real life. A lot of them don't like the Wii because they feel the controller isn't responsive enough. Most don't want one and are happy with just their 360. The PS3 has nothing worth buying it for so they just mainly 360 and PC game. Maybe my friends are in the minority or maybe posts that don't claim Wii as the second coming of christ just don't get modded up!
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Two years from now, we'll be treated to a WiiHD (or whatever) that's just as powerful as the PS3 and 360, but at half the cost.
You really think the Wii was MADE to last for 8-12 years, like the 360 and PS3? By the time Sony is financially able to justify a PS4, we'll be on Nintendo's 3rd console of the generation... guess who'll have the huge graphic-to-price advantage, then?
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I love the Wii, and am not interested in getting a PS3. But if/when I did get a PS3, I would bulk up my library with PS3 titles for the next several years. I'm probably going to be happy with a pretty small library of Wii games. Kudos to Nintendo for thinking about play-experience over game-as-media, resulting in a product that's more, erm, fun, but that's not going to spur a lot of 3rd party develop
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The DS version looks to be slightly more similar, but again, no pot, sm
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Hell yes it was made to last that long. Nintendo is notorious for trying to spin its consoles as not requiring an upgrade for a very long while. Nintendo longs for the days of the NES and Game Boy, where they could just sit back and collect the licensing f
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Some Nintendo games have totally flopped, but typically they do well, because typically, they are high quality games.
I'm 99.9% sure I remember hearing third parties happy with their sales on the Wii this past holiday...
Anyhow, I do agree that it's debatable whether the Wii will continue to
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All I know is that the AI in Wii Sports Tennis still beats the crap out of me. Probably has more to do with me sucking, though.
But seriously, AI in games indeed isn't where all the cycles go into. It's the graphics. Bu
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Do you mean to say that Nintendo is going to have the best games?? I hardly think that will cause the Wii to slow down.
I just think the Wii is going to lose steam as soon as third party vendors realize they won't sell as many games on the Wii and that they are limited by the older hardware.
If the Wii becomes the dominant console nobody is going to abandon it. Look at how quickly 3rd parties took notice of wii and ramped up wii game production once it became obvious that it was selling far beyond expectations. They didn't all leak their brains out and forget that competing on nintendo means competing with nintendo... they KNOW what they're dealing with. They've got the same history you do.
But they know that supporting the dominant console will pay off.
and the people who own a PS3 are going to buy more games per console.
Only relevant if they buy enough more to make up for the fact that there are less of them.
(And if the games are 'worthless' compared to what nintendo releases, I'd hope even a PS3 owner would stay the hell away from them.)
As for limited by the older hardware? The ONLY situation that is going to affect is that it gets even harder to make lousy multi-platform ports on the cheap. Losing the 'Lousy ports' isn't going to harm the platform.
Also, the Wii will probably have to have a shorted lifecycle than the PS3. It just doesn't have the power for AI or graphics.
By that logic the Honda civic should have been discontinued by now. And why does anyone buy a handheld when all they do is let us play last generation games technology? Seriously. Yes, its 'limiting', but entertainment value per dollar is high. As long as that can be sustained the system will do well.
Just look at the popularity of the virtual console.
I find it interesting how many people love the Wii on here compared to the gamers I know in real life.
Comparing the
so they just mainly 360 and PC game
Seems pretty redundant to buy two boxes for that.
And furthermore, if your own 'real world group' has already self-selected into 'gamers who play 360 + PC games' do you really think THEY are representative of the larger audience for the Wii?
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Yes, third parties see the Wii as selling well so they get a bunch of people who don't know crap about making games on the Wii and put them on the project. At least initially, the third party games are going to be horrible since they ignored the Wii before and don't have experience making games wi
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That isn't the point. The point is there is a thriving market for games made using 'last gen' and 'last last gen' technology. Game companies can thrive in any environment.
I am talking about gamers. A lot of Slashdotters are gamers. I don't know about you, but I don't distinguish between the two. You
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But false? Only in terms of game exclusivity, and that's an entirely artificial difference.
No it's not. If you want to play a certain game and it exists only under one console (or PC) you're going to buy that fucking game along with the console. You're not going to say "Well, I already own a PC. If I buy an X-box that would be redudant because and X-Box and PC have the same hardware." Give me a break, console's always were similar to PC's. Just because one console is more similar to a PC than another doesn't make it all of the sudden redundant.
Precisely. Your talking about 'gamers'. A lot of people on slashdot aren't gamers at all, nevermind casual gamers. And on the flipside, a lot of gamers have never heard of slashdot. The two groups aren't one in the same.
Slashdot is a website for nerds. Nerds gen
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Or not. Most xbox games made it to the PC. It was, after all, a relatively trivial port. I elected not to buy an xbox, and I really didn't miss much.
But I'm sure only a small minority of slashdot never played a video game.
I'm sure you are correct that only a small minority of slashdot never played a video game... but how many would describe themselves as '
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This may be surprising to you, but a lot of people who read games.slashdot.org are gamers. Many of the people who are super enthusiastic about the Wii are gamers too. It isn't hard to figure out who is a gamer on here by their comments. I was just stating that I see things differently a
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In general that would only be true if Nintendo's first party games are outright better than those 3rd party titles.
Is that really true of even the best 3rd party titles?
The reason they didn't come out for the cube is simply that they knew that wasn't where the demographic for those game
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So are you saying Sony doesn't develop any games in-house? Because that's completely wrong. Sony's had over 10 years to grow their development teams (and buy other ones), and they've certainly done that. A cursory glance over their franchise list [wikipedia.org] proves this point handily. So while you are correct that running from a Nintendo platform will free you from "competing" with Nintendo, it also means that you'll end up c
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I looked at the franchise list you pointed to, and I didn't find a single franchise that has remotely the same glamour or popularity as Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Pokemon, Kirby and Donkey Kong. Competing against Sony with those franchise ce
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1) The Wii appeals to more casual gamers. Casual gamers, by definition, are ones that don't play games as much. They also tend not to buy many games. In fact, a lot of them would be happy just with Wii Sports and not even pick up another titile. On the other hand, PS3 gamers tend to me more "hardcore". They buy multiple games a year. This has nothing
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2.) Less consumers adopt PS3.
3.) Developers see gamers going to other platform, eliminate exclusives.
4.) Repeat (1), removing PS3 exclusives gone multi-platform from equation.
try:
5.) ???
6.) Profit!
catch:
7.) Put as much spin on your stats you could dry your clothes on it. e.g., claiming that PS/3s are readily in stock due to superior supply-side infrastructure, as opposed to lagging sales.
Unfortunately, this is one very real case I highly doubt
Meh! (Score:1)
Somewhere, over the... (Score:1)
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SOCOM - yet another FPS. I'll pass.
SingStar - I'll pass.
Lair & Heavenly Sword look good, but so far all I've seen are screenshots and movies. Let's wait until we get some reviews about the actual gameplay.
Ratchet & Clank - not coming out this year.
FFXIII - not coming out this year.
MGS4 - not coming out this year, and MAY become a multi-pla
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All your held hand are belong to Nintendo (Score:1)
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That said, you're all a bunch of babies whining about your favorite console. It's unbelievably entertaining to watch.
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I mean, right now, the PS3 is being outsold in the US by the GBA. THE GBA! It's underperforming the gamecube in Japan, hitting sales targets *weeks* after the cube did. And, like the PSP was by the DS, it's being absolutely destroyed by the Wii. And the HD movie market is *NOTHING* compared to the DVD market. It
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From my memories, PS2 was predicted to break records, and did, and PS1 nobody knew what to think because it had to history. I don't see any comparison at all to what was being said in those generations.
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Its true, the PS2 did have low sales the first few years, tho the few games thing
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Anyway, it's silly to use the PS2 or PS1 as an indicator for any other console
The PS2 never had slow sales (Score:1, Informative)
The PS2 was the fastest selling system in Japan over its first year, and was heavily supply limited for its first year in North America and Europe. By the time the Gamecube and XBox were released the PS2 had already sold 20 Million units worldwide (roughly twice as many as the XBox 360 has in the same time frame) and exploded in sales from there due to the release of GTA, MGS2 and FFX.
Fucking PS3 fans are res
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Go ahead. (Score:2, Interesting)
*shakes head* Sony even sucks in professional video now. I'd rather buy ten Samsung CCD cameras for the price of one Sony.
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If you spend so much time posting to Slashdot, why don't you at least try to create arguments that don't make you look like a stupid Sony Troll? I mean, you don't even look like you got paid by Sony, because if you got paid for that, I'd expect some better quality in your arguments and writing.
Look, if you want to defend the PS3, don't spout obvious lies like "The most pow
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Now, the tables have
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"Low sales": PS2 hit a million within three weeks in Japan, and PS3 has yet to do so in six months. PS2 in the post holiday season was selling 400k per month in North America, compared to Dreamcast's 100k. PS3 by comparison is selling 100k per month compared to the Wii's 300k.
"Few games": The documentation on this isn't very good, but I believe it had more games than any of PS3,
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The irony is the third parties expected the PS3 to win. It's hasn't "lost" yet but the Wii sprinted out of the gates while the the PS3 and Xbox trotted. I personally will likely get a wii if there is a game that app
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I was out shopping with my son when I noticed Games Wizards (I live in Australia) was offering PS3's (we only have the 60GB vers
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All we've got to go on are press releases and rumours. The majority of UK gamers are total Sony Fanboys anyway, in my experience, so you may be right.
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You're right... (Score:2)
We're making a comparison under these assumptions:
1) You would think that the market for GBAs has been saturated, or that new players (i.e. kids) would opt for a GBA-DS to be able to play games for both systems.
2) In otherwords, there is a market comprised late-technology-adopters who are cost sensitive, and are probably buying the units for themselves for the purpose
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Or, you could look at sales per month, and see that the Wii sold 82% as many units in April as in January (360k vs. 436k), while the the PS3 dropped to 34% (82k vs. 244k).
Or, that last month they moved 23% as many PS3s as Wiis (82k vs. 360k).
Or that since the beginning of the year, PS2s have outsold PS3s by 70% (989k vs. 583k).
Or that the Wii outsold the PS3 by 138% (1390k vs. 583k).
Or that the DS has outsold the PSP by 124% (1703k vs. 760k).
Pick your metric. Every single one of them is awful, and if anyone left at Sony still has plans of staying in the game business, they need to stem the hemorrhaging soon.
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Sony has never launched first in a generation. The PS1, PS2 and now PS3 have all launched into a market where at least one other competitor had been around for awhile.
With the PS1, there was the Saturn and the N64. Sega was begining to struggle at that point, and Sony had managed to pick up several developers after Nintendo decided the N64 was going to be cartridge based.
With the PS2, the Dreamcast had a full year to try to build up a ma
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As much as I'd like to have a PS3 (Score:3, Interesting)
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Just wondering.
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Rent the game, return the scratched one.
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Wow, I never thought I'd end up saying that! Good job, Sony!
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A) I do not pirate games, and the industry is hardly dying.
B) Nobody has had their 360 banned to date (to my knowledge).
C) If I cared about XBox Live, I wouldn't risk getting banned.
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but seriously, if you care at all about Live I'd recommend not playing a backup on Live at the moment, since there are many reports on http://xbox-scene.com/ [xbox-scene.com] as well as on http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2007/05/17/ 545414.aspx [gamerscoreblog.com]
which show that Microsoft has dropped the ban hammer.
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And besides - in my 15 years of playing video games on CD, I have never had the need for a backup, ever. I even played my original copy of the Return to Zork just a month ago.
So, I think your real desire here is to pirate video games. Given the success of the Wii and the mo
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Also, the Wii has already been chipped -- essentially the same chip as the GC, since it's essentially the same console. I'm not sure how that can be irrelevant, but I applaud your industry insight.
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We have the Xbox360, but I don't really consider it a true competitor to the Wii because those two systems aren't really seen as inhabiting the same market space. The primary problem is how poorly it's done in Japan. The fact that the system is virtually nonexistent in one of the biggest gaming markets in the world means it's always going to lose out when it comes to variety of games. Clearly, the Xbox360 has fared far better than the original Xbox, but I still see it as potentially ending up in the same situation as the Sega Genesis relative to the SNES.
The Xbox360 certainly is significant and it may turn out to be more of a challenge to Nintendo than we realize now, but it's going to require more than Halo 3 and other such games to accomplish that. But, like I've said, they've likely already lost the Japanese market. The saving grace is that Japanese companies keep developing games for the system.
The PS3 has the potential to be a competitor for both consoles because of the potential for such a variety of games, at least if it sees anything like the sort of development the PS2 has. The PS2 really had games of all types and some were truly innovative. Really the only thing it lacked was anything from Nintendo.
My point here is that if Nintendo returns to the sort of dominance it had in the past it will also revert to the same sort of tactics it used back then, back when they were the heavy-handed monopoly. If it weren't for Nintendo falling behind in the last two generations of consoles we probably wouldn't have seen the DS or the Wii.
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History has shown that lack of competition in the console market leads to stagnation. The leading console manufacturer is always the last to change console generations. Without the Genesis, there would not have been a SNES. Without the PS1, no N64. Without the Dreamcast, there would not have been a PS2. Without the 360, we'd still be waiting for a successor to the PS2.
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Most likely order of events that I envision.
A) Sony releases exclusive (God of war, Grand Tourismo, Etc. )
A.2) Third party releases of say a home or business control center system using a PS3 as the center hub for Media, computer, security, IPTV, gaming. (remember the cell can be used for many many things other than just games. When sony figures that out they can expand the living daylights out of thier market to do a lot more than just games whi
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A) Sony releases exclusive (God of war, Grand Tourismo, Etc. )
True, very likely.
A.2) Third party releases of say a home or business control center system using a PS3 as the center hub for Media
There is absolutely no reason to think anything like this will happen.
B) Sony Drops price of PS3 using manufacture of scale (IBM continues selling Cell Chips)
They'll use that to cut their losses before they'll cut prices.
B.2) Sony keeps price keeps the quality high and continues expanding third party apps for PS3 cell abilities. The system is powerful enough to run the electronics behind a theme park for 1/4 of the price of a customized system.
Huh. I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. Sony keeps expanding third-party apps? Huh? Sony ports third-party apps to the PS3?
C) sales increase quickly
No reason for this to happen. In fact, sales are decreasing, which means 3rd-party-support will decrease, which means even less sales.
D) BlueRay takes off
Poss
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http://www.innerbits.com/blog/2007/05/09/ps3-memor y-footprint/ [innerbits.com]
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Yes. The PS3 will probably catch up with the 360 within a few years. That's not success, that's a disgrace. It should have outsold the 360 within a y
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This is an entirely different argument, but I'd like to go into it anyway since you bring it up. You say that you think it was wrong for Microsoft to kill the Xbox since it was starting to gain ground. I can't see that. Microsoft had two very good reasons for killing the Xbox: First, it was entrenched in the hardcore market. The size, the looks, the games, the people who bought an Xbox, al
South Korean Console Market? (Score:1)