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Sony Runs Out of 60GB PS3s 152

Next Generation has word from Sony that they've shipped all of their 60GB PlayStation 3s. They don't have any more in the warehouses; retailers still have ample stocks, though. From the article: "Once all of the remaining 60GB PS3s have been snapped up for $499 apiece, the only option left open to consumers will be to purchase the 80GB model, which currently retails for $100 more at $599. It has long been rumored that once all 60GB PS3 stock dries up, the 80GB will be subject to a price cut, but SCEA has failed to be drawn on the matter to date. 'We won't be making any further announcements regarding our PS3 model hardware strategy in North America until the 60GB model is exhausted and market conditions are evaluated,' the company has said."
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Sony Runs Out of 60GB PS3s

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  • Many PS3 fans pitch the "won't talk about it until then" as proof that there will be a cut -- some suggest an 80GB unbundled for $449. Hard to say. A lot of people are arguing that Sony will definitely cut to $500 once the 60s are gone, but it's hard to say; I mean, you wouldn't expect them to have a PR stunt with a decapitated goat, but they did. So who can predict what madness Sony's sales people will think of? I'm sort of skeptical about a cut, just because the holiday season tends to boost sales, an
    • by moderatorrater ( 1095745 ) on Thursday August 30, 2007 @02:10PM (#20414353)
      I doubt they'd cut it to $500 or lower; that would just be spitting in the face of all those who snapped up their 60GB models just months earlier for the same price. Sony wouldn't disrespect their customers that much would they?
      • Sony wouldn't disrespect their customers that much would they?

        Asking that question is like asking for the rootkit and overpriced trolls to come out of the woodwork.

        Regardless, I don't see them cutting the price before Christmas. Demand is going to be high and the system will finally have some games worth buying the system for - Warhawk and UT3 to name a few. If HOME goes over well and they keep pumping out the PSN titles as well as a Motorstorm map pack (which they promised at E3 I believe), then you'll h
        • by Pojut ( 1027544 )
          Sorry to be the one to tell you this, but Unreal Tournament 3 won't be a PS3 exclusive... []
          • by Jthon ( 595383 )
            No it's not a complete exclusive but it does ship exclusive to PS3 and PC in November with the 360 release pushed out to sometime in 2008. That and the PS3 version will also support the same 3rd party mods and maps the PC one does.
            • by 7Prime ( 871679 )
              Seeing that:

              - Hardly anyone thinks of the Unreal franchise outside of being a PC series
              - Not being the huge name it was 5 years ago
              - Having about 8 other huge FPS and FPA/S (aka: Metroid or Bioshock) games to compete with
              - Everyone would would buy a PS3 already having a PC that can also run it... better

              I don't think Unreal Tournament is going to be a "console selling title".
              • by LKM ( 227954 )
                Well, it'll sell a few system, probably. But it's not on the level of a BioShock (even though that is available on PCs, too), and it's definitely not on the level of a Halo 3 or a Metroid Prime 3. That game will definitely move a ton of Wiis (or would, if they were available).

                The real PS3 movers are MGS and FF, and they aren't coming for some time now. The other A-list PS3 titles are all somewhat questioniable or no-names: Drake, Lair, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword...

                The PS3's games selection is looking better an
                • by 7Prime ( 871679 )
                  Unfortunately, for every system sellers that the PS3 has, the Wii has 2, and the 360 seems to have 3, (although I still think the Wii will win-out in the longrun).

                  As for Metroid Prime 3? I'll be interested to see the sales of that title. I'm playing it now, and I'm LOVING it. It's probably not quite as amazing as the original, but it's worlds better than Echoes, and it gives me a great sense of awe and wonder that I really missed from that title.

                  However, I don't see Metroid as being much of a system seller.
                  • by LKM ( 227954 )

                    However, I don't see Metroid as being much of a system seller. It's sales pale in comparison to titles like Halo, Smash, GTA, or even Mario and Zelda

                    The reason I think Metroid is a system seller is because it doesn't sell to the "traditional" Nintendo audience. I believe the people who love Metroid are more likely to not yet own a Wii than the people who love Smash Bros. So far, Nintendo had a lot of games for more casual fans (apart from Zelda, I guess). Metroid is the first real hard core Wii game. I

          • by fistfullast33l ( 819270 ) on Thursday August 30, 2007 @02:33PM (#20414647) Homepage Journal
            Sorry to point this out from the article you obviously linked but didn't read:

            Sony announced at E3 2007 that, through a deal made with Epic, Unreal Tournament 3 will be a PlayStation 3 timed console exclusive during 2007. The Xbox 360 version will follow sometime in 2008. The statement by Tretton confused many, therefore Mark Rein made it very clear during the Midway conference at E3 2007 that UT3 would ship for both the PC and PS3 in November, with the Xbox 360 version coming the following year. It was also announced that the PS3 version will be able to use PC-created mods and levels.[9] Epic plans on adding some level of support for the Xbox 360, but due to its closed system there is less freedom. This is the main reason this version of the game is coming out later.[10] On 2007-08-07, Mark Rein confirmed that PS3 users could use a mouse and keyboard as input devices for the game, a feature that was the subject of high demand by fans.[11]

            They haven't said the 360 release date yet, but it won't be out this holiday season, nor will it have as many features as the PS3, which makes it less desirable. Which is exactly the point I was making above.
            • by Pojut ( 1027544 )
              Appreciated, but consider this: UT3 is a HIGHLY anticipated title...knowing that it will come out for the 360 (albiet in a slightly less functional form), what do you think is more likely to happen: a 360 owner will pay the 600 dollars for a PS3 and then another 60 dollars for the game, or just 60 dollars for the game?

              All I'm saying is that even if the PS3 version is more functional, the very fact that it will be released on multiple systems lowers the chances of someone buying a PS3 BECAUSE of UT3.

              • My point was that there's finally some reasons to pick up a PS3 this Christmas, and the price might not have to drop in that case. Yes, if you're extremely patient and price matters to you, then the PS3 probably will not be something you'll want/ask for/buy this winter. But if you have the income or don't care about price, then the games are finally getting to the point where the PS3 can take the 360 head on.

                Personally, I wouldn't touch the 360 at this point on hardware issues and stupid add on costs like
                • by Pojut ( 1027544 ) on Thursday August 30, 2007 @02:58PM (#20414933) Homepage

                  Personally, I wouldn't touch the 360 at this point on hardware issues and stupid add on costs like a proprietary hard drive and headset, and the Xbox Live cost. But that's just me.

                  I know that I am just one random person, but I do own the PS3, Wii, and the 360. I can honestly say that out of all of them, between the games and the overall "feel" of the system, the 360 is by far my favourite.

                  Again, that is just a lone geek's opinion...
                  • As a owner of all three as well, I have to agree with the "feel" part as well.

                    After you get past the cross-bar, most of the PS3 interface feels like a Linux OS. Not bad, but it just doesn't "feel right" as a console.

                • by LKM ( 227954 )

                  Personally, I wouldn't touch the 360 at this point on hardware issues and stupid add on costs like a proprietary hard drive and headset, and the Xbox Live cost. But that's just me.

                  Agreed. I own both a PS3 and a Wii, but I won't buy a 360, even though it has some tempting games. There are three reasons:

                  1. Hardware reliability is crap
                  2. Online gaming costs money (I want to play online games, but not often enough to pay money for it)
                  3. It's from Microsoft

                  I could live with it being from MS, but the other two ar

              • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

                by MooseMuffin ( 799896 )
                360 owning FPS fans will be playing too much halo 3 to care about another FPS until 2009. UT3 is a much less important title to the 360 than it is to the ps3.
            • When those comments were made at E3 Live was still a closed system. MS announced their Xbox Live Silver Program which allows 3rd party companies to maintain, manage and update from their own servers rather than from MS. When asked if that would allow a company like Epic to allow PC to 360 maps and level editors it was stated that that was indeed one of the reasons for the new service.
            • Well then that means Oblivion, GRAW 2, Rainbow Six: Vegas, and FEAR were all 360 exclusives.. since they came out for the 360 before they came out for the ps3.
              • Outside of FEAR, which I think we could argue is a timed PC exclusive, you'd be correct. However, they didn't have the same effect, seeing as the PS3 wasn't even available to developers at the time they were released, so you couldn't expect them to be released across consoles at once.
      • by bym051d ( 980242 )
        A lot of the people who bought 60s (myself included) would rather have the 60s at the same price because of the hardware. The 60s included the Graphics Synthesizer + Emotion Engine from PS2, so backwards compatibility is near 100%
        • by Yvan256 ( 722131 )
          Thanks, I was about to ask about that. So I need to pick up one of those 60GB if I want 100% PS2 compatibility?

          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by DrEldarion ( 114072 )
            It's not 100% even with the chips, but it's close.

            Anyway, software emulation on the other models is very good at this point, and will play nearly all games without issue. They've been adding compatibility with each (frequent) firmware release, too, so it shouldn't be a problem either way.
      • by seebs ( 15766 )
        Er, yeah, they would.

        That said, I'm glad I got a 60. I get the version that has EE and has better compatibility with PS2 games, and I upgraded to a 120GB drive by early January of this year.
      • Sony? Spit in the face of their customers? Nooooooooo! Never!
    • Well the only reason Sony discounted the 60GB version was to clear the stock, I doubt the 80GB one will drop in price soon. There's certainly no reason to do so until the 60GB ones are no longer available at retail (which TFS says they are). Since $500 is the "discount" price for soon-to-be-obsolete versions, I highly doubt they want to lose that distinction from the 80GB version.

      They may drop the price if sales of the 80GB version are as slow or slower than when the 60GB version was $600 -- it's possible
    • by harryk ( 17509 )
      Not quite the same deal, but Sams Club (atleast here in Milwaukee, WI) has the 80GB bundle at $549.
  • Act now! (Score:4, Funny)

    by Kirin Fenrir ( 1001780 ) on Thursday August 30, 2007 @02:08PM (#20414319)
    Get 'em while they're ho-...errr...lukewarm!
  • A week later an auditor is fired for not noticing that a majority of those shipments went to "warehouse corporation".
  • It's fairly likely that once the 60Gb is history that a "barebones" 80Gb model will replace it at the same price or possibly lower closer to Christmas. I'd expect they'll also revamp the "bundle" too in some way, e.g. throw Heavenly Sword or Lair into it to make it more up to date.
  • Here [] and here []. Regardless, if you dry up on producing machines, I'm sure you'll eventually sell them.
  • They managed to sell both of them?
  • Soon we will know (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Alex777 ( 1113887 ) on Thursday August 30, 2007 @02:31PM (#20414621)
    It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the 80GB model isn't getting a price cut, even when the 60GBs are gone. Sony has a pretty good lineup coming up, and they stand to lose a lot in the short term if people buy reduced-price PS3s but only one or two games.

    On the other hand, they might want to get Blu-ray players into as many homes as possible, given the recent adoption of HD-DVD by many film studios- even if it means absorbing a big short-term loss. They know PS3s will move once their AAA titles start coming out, so there isn't much motivation for a price cut now, game-wise.

    Overall, I think the PS3 is just too speculative for most consumers. The price in and of itself isn't the major concern, (people will spend hundreds of dollars on home entertainment) but rather questions like "Will Blu-ray become the de-facto HD format?", "How many price cuts will occur between now and when the games I want are released?", and even "Are AAA titles eventually going to be ported to 360 or PC?"
    • On the other hand, they might want to get Blu-ray players into as many homes as possible, given the recent adoption of HD-DVD by many film studios- even if it means absorbing a big short-term loss.

      I think you make an excellent point. My next video game system must also play one of the high-definition discs, I could care less which format. Microsoft isn't offering an integrated HDDVD package (yet) and I still think both systems are a bit pricey for my use, so the first company to the price-point punch wins my business.

    • by 7Prime ( 871679 )
      I agree, but not because of the lineup issue. Compared to the Wii and 360s (especially) upcoming exclusive lineup, the PS3 is the runt. Sony won't cut the price, because they simply can't afford to. They're already losing $300 on a console.

      Let's face it, cutting back from $600 to $500 isn't going to move a hell of a lot more units. It's still too fucking much. It's only selling to people where money is no object... and for them, they're going to buy it at $500 or $600, so why drop the price?
  • Thieves... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Thursday August 30, 2007 @02:53PM (#20414877)
    Looking at the price difference between 60GB and 80GB 2.5" HDDs, the $100 more for the larger disk strikes me as very close to theft.
  • PS2 Chip on Board (Score:5, Informative)

    by Conception ( 212279 ) on Thursday August 30, 2007 @03:40PM (#20415439)
    Also as a reminder for those sitting on the fence, I believe this will be the last model with hardware support for PS/PS2 titles. The 80GB and on have software emulation.
    • Which is a good thing. You can't really patch hardware issues (emulation chip), but you can provide updated emulation software with each PS3 OS release.
      • Except it's not an "emulation chip" -- it's a PS2 chip. Emulation is where you make hardware pretend to be something it's not, in order to support the software. Not that I think it matters.. If you're concerned about PS2 games, you probably already have a PS2. Yeah it's nice to only need one console hooked up, but in the end it's just a minor inconvenience to have both.
      • by Zenki ( 31868 )
        Actually with the chip you have best of both worlds.

        You can use it to get a high fidelity reproduction of PS2 behavior because it's an _ACTUAL_ PS2 part.

        Or if there is a hardware issue, Sony can have specific games use software emulation to assist.

        Or if the software emulation is better in every way possible, Sony can just have the software emulator run the game and ignore the hardware on the board.
  • by Generic Guy ( 678542 ) on Thursday August 30, 2007 @05:55PM (#20417315)

    I've read these reports over the last couple of days. I have been waiting and delaying the idea of getting a PS3 because lack of compelling games and my own lack of HDTV to play it on. With this news, I was beginning to worry about spending the cash now to pick up a 60GB unit with the included Emotion Engine (EE) hardware support for true backwards compatibility. I have a lot of PS1 and PS2 games I want to make sure work properly.

    Then it occurred to me... I already have a machine which works with my regular old TV set and plays all my PS1 and PS2 games perfectly: my PS2. And if I want a wireless control with missing rumble action... well, I already have a 3rd party wireless controller with that (lack of) feature.

    Realizing that Sony has a good chance of coming in a distant third for this generation's console race and that software studios are focusing on Xbox360 and Wii (with those systems' easier development tools) there really is no point to bothering with PS3. All the 'good' games are coming out on Xbox360 anyway. The stomach pangs of losing out on the hardware EE support simply went away with the realization that PS3 is already finished in the market. I'll simply keep my PS2 for awhile longer at no additional cost.

    • by Aladrin ( 926209 )
      That was my attitude before RRoD issues (which are still going on, as more die every day) and the 'sauna' test of the PS3.

      While I love that when my 360 dies, I can get it fixed/replaced for free, I hate the fact that I'll be without it for 6 weeks to do so. Knowing that the PS3 tends to be a more solid console, I have decided to buy games for it when they are on multiple consoles, and for the 360 when it's only for the 360.

      I'm the only 360 owner I know that hasn't been through at least a couple 360's, and

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