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Super Smash Bros. Brawl Delayed 142

Dr. Eggman writes "As feared when it was announced that the Japanese launch was being pushed back to January 24, Nintendo has announced that Super Smash Bros. Brawl has been delayed in North America as well. cites the new launch date as February 10th. On the bright side, however, 16-bit era fan's prayers have been answered: Sonic the Hedgehog is officially in the game."
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Super Smash Bros. Brawl Delayed

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  • by Tetsujin ( 103070 ) on Thursday October 11, 2007 @12:43PM (#20941737) Homepage Journal
    Apparently there's just one fan of the 16-bit era??
  • It's upsetting (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 11, 2007 @12:49PM (#20941811)
    But I'd really rather prefer a late game to a bugged game.
    • Exactly. It's amazing how many people bitch and moan about delaying a game that they're expecting without giving any consideration as to why that game is going to be delayed. It's just as amazing how many game companies seem to think that delaying a game is like some kind of suicide call. I'd much rather wait for a game to come out and work as it should instead of getting an unplayable product rushed to market just to match a deadline (eg: Ultima: Ascension).
      • Re:It's upsetting (Score:4, Insightful)

        by moderatorrater ( 1095745 ) on Thursday October 11, 2007 @01:20PM (#20942259)

        It's amazing how many people bitch and moan about delaying a game that they're expecting without giving any consideration as to why that game is going to be delayed
        While there's usually a good reason (in the case of Smash Bros. it's going to be really, really good to miss the holiday season), it's always disappointing that the developer wasn't able to more accurately estimate the amount of time the game would require. Yes, i would rather wait longer than I expected for a good game; at the same time, I would have rather had them wait another month before giving a release date and have that release date be accurate.
    • by trdrstv ( 986999 ) on Thursday October 11, 2007 @01:20PM (#20942257)

      But I'd really rather prefer a late game to a bugged game.

      Not only that, but I wouldn't mind if they spaced out their "tent pole" games through out the year, and not just the 3-4 months at the end. I realize Quarter 4 is when they do most of their business, but games like Smash Bros, Mario, Zelda, Halo, Final Fantasy, MGS... don't need to come out for Christmas to sell. They will sell in the millions no matter when they release, so why not spread them out a little more?

      • by Bloomy ( 714535 )
        Nintendo isn't afraid to put out "tent pole" games at different times. A front runner for the year's top selling game was released in April (Pokemon Diamond). Lump Diamond and Pearl together, as Nintendo likes to do, and Halo 3 and Madden really have their work cut out for them this year. When Twilight Princess was bumped from the holiday 2005 timeframe, they announced spring of 2006. Then they decided to add Wii functionality, and that pushed it to holiday 2006 for the Wii launch. New Super Mario Bros
  • Good news (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Sciros ( 986030 ) on Thursday October 11, 2007 @12:49PM (#20941813) Journal
    That should give me plenty of time to finish Mass Effect and Revenant Wings before beginning a Wii hunt to play Smash.

    Can't care less about Sonic, though. Just hope he's not a broken character, since in Smash speed is paramount (hence space animals and Sheik being top tier).
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by revlayle ( 964221 )
      Check out the video below the character info on that page link to smash bros. site, it show's sonic's moves pretty well, and decently utilized
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by edwdig ( 47888 )
      The supposed character tiers in Smash Bros are a pretty stupid idea. They come from tournament play where matches are limited to 1 vs 1 and the rules are set to eliminate as much randomness as possible. Items get turned off and a large chunk of the stages aren't allowed.

      It's basically trying to turn Smash Bros into Street Fighter and isn't at all representative of how the game is normally played.
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by Hitto ( 913085 )
        No items
        Fox only
        Final Destination
      • by Sciros ( 986030 )
        Smash lends itself surprisingly well to tournament play. You'd be surprised. "Tiers" notwithstanding, skill (technical and mind-games) goes a VERY long way, and the usual tourney setup is very good fun. There's nothing bad about fighting games, after all, and Smash under certain settings becomes a very good one. It's a testament to the game's great customizeability. If I want to play a 4-player free-for-all match where I am having fun with people who've never even touched a GCN controller before, I can. If
      • I hate it when people demand to play like that. I have friends who like to play no items, on Final Destination, and I refuse to play smash bros with them for the most part. The items, and the random crazy shit that happens, are what makes the game fun! Cut that out, and you cut the soul of the game out. Not to mention that Final Destination is entirely too trippy for my eyes.
      • While I agree that tournament rules are pretty stupid for the masses, but it REALLY shows when you play against more experienced players. Hyrule Temple is obviously unfair for tournament matches cause of the underground area. The F-Zero arenas are pretty questionable since the arenas themselves can be more hazardous than the other opponents. Stages like Kirby Dreamland effectively handicaps or gives an advantage to certain characters (using Jigglypuff's rollout is suicidal there and Bowser's fire attack pre
    • I saw an analysis not too long ago that compared his displayed moves to that of some Pikachu/Luigi amalgam (both of which are low tier). He has short limbs, hell his arms are shorter than Pichu (who is bottom tier despite being very fast). He has no projectile that we've seen. Furthermore, Sonic is known for running speed, not necessarily attack speed or attack lag, both of which are more important when it comes to tiers. What really matters, though, is priority. Both Shiek and Fox have very high prior
  • Missing the Holidays (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SlashdotOgre ( 739181 ) on Thursday October 11, 2007 @12:59PM (#20941969) Journal
    I can't believe they're allowing that game to slip past the holiday season. I'm sure the Wii will still sell out, but that's a major title that a lot of people were expecting. I wonder whether this was caused by development issues or to boost their sales numbers in the retail slump between Christmas & Easter. On a side note the article lists a 2/10 US release date (only mentioning it since it's not in the summary).
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Javi0084 ( 926402 )
      Nintendo has Mario Galaxy for Christmas, that will probably sell out too.
    • I'd rather it work right than be released before Christmas.
    • Not a big deal. They have Mario Galaxy in mid/late-November and that should keep people pretty happy for a while. Right now the only big title for the start of the new year is Mario Kart Wii, so this new release date will give them some extra momentum for the 1st quarter.
      • by Altus ( 1034 )

        like you need more momentum than what Kart brings.

        I don't have any hard numbers but it sure looks to me like the Kart franchise is the biggest one Nintendo has.
        • I don't have any hard numbers but it sure looks to me like the Kart franchise is the biggest one Nintendo has.
          No, Smash is. At least it was the best seller on the Gamecube, followed by Mario Sunshine.

          • by Altus ( 1034 )

            well I was thinking about it more in terms of the whole line of MK games. In each generation the Mario kart games are top performers. Clearly SSB is right up there too though. Honestly it might be better for Wii sales to have them spread out a bit release date wise. Both of these games (as well as Mario Galaxy) are going to put a pretty big strain on the supply of Wii's.

          • by Bloomy ( 714535 )
            No, Pokemon currently is.
    • Hitting a release date over the holidays means squat to me personally. I don't have time to sit and play the 15 games I would like all within one month anyway, especially over the holiday season. That only works out for the kids who are off from school. I'd rather they not release a turd and get it out "when it's done." So even if they are doing it to boost "after holidays sales", I say who cares.

      On a side note, the summary did mention the release date... cites the new launch date as February 10th.

  • by kisrael ( 134664 ) on Thursday October 11, 2007 @12:59PM (#20941977) Homepage
    Why is it "The Pokemon Trainer" and not "Ash"?
    • Because that's the character's name []. Yes, it does look like Ash [], but they're not saying that it is.
      • by kisrael ( 134664 )
        Right, but why?

        It smacks of an odd rights and character ownership issue, or maybe even Voice Acting...
        • by 7Prime ( 871679 )
          Of which it's not, because Nintendo owns all the rights in question here.

          It's because that Pokemon Trainer is based off of the Pokemon games, not the cartoon. None of the games call the main character Ash, that was an invention of the group who did the anime/manga. Having never watched any of the anime, and having seen a few of the games, the name Ash means nothing to me, Pokemon Trainer does.

          Remember, Nintendo said that no characters from animes will be introduced in Brawl. Ash is an anime character that's
          • by kisrael ( 134664 )
            Ok, I see your point...
            are the sound and movements of "the Pokemon Trainer" defined in any of the later console games, or will they be derived fresh for the brawl?

            Also, just a technical question, did Ash get retroconned into one of the gameboy remakes, or just Pikachu?
    • by shoptroll ( 544006 ) on Thursday October 11, 2007 @01:26PM (#20942329)
      Ash was the name for the character in the anime. The default name for the character in the game is whatever color Pokemon cartridge you have.

      I don't know about you but choosing "Red" as my character sure sounds like a winner ;)
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      Because that's the Male character from Pokemon Fire Red and Satoshi/Ash does not look like that? Pokemon If anything that is "Fire red" as the Pokemon naming system goes from the comics.
  • by PlatyPaul ( 690601 ) on Thursday October 11, 2007 @01:02PM (#20942007) Homepage Journal
    In case you missed out on the press [], Sonic was rumored for inclusion in Super Smash Bros. Melee [] (released for the Gamecube back in 2001-2002). Here [] is a quick rundown, with requisite pretty pictures.

    Actually, the intriguing bit is whether or not it will be possible to have Sonic go Supersonic [], a common theme in most Sonic games. To start the rumor mill going: the official Sonic-in-Smash-Bros. trailer ends with a quick glimpse at him in Supersonic mode....
  • Success? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Fex303 ( 557896 ) on Thursday October 11, 2007 @01:07PM (#20942087)
    From the article:

    The delay "in no way affects the success of the Wii," said George Harrison, Nintendo's Senior VP of Marketing and Corporate Communication.
    It doesn't affect the success of the Wii as a paperweight, no. But I was actually hoping to play some fucking games on mine.

    Also, I can't help but notice that the old release date announcement has been quietly taken off the official Smash Bros site [].

    • by trdrstv ( 986999 )

      It doesn't affect the success of the Wii as a paperweight, no. But I was actually hoping to play some fucking games on mine.

      Beat Metroid Prime 3 yet? If not, the game's extremely good and well worth buying.

      • Agreed. Even better than the original. (The 2nd was good, but not great.)
      • by 7Prime ( 871679 )
        But yes, we've all beaten it, I beat it a week after it came out... and it's not quite good enough to start again right after beating it, like the original Metroid Prime was. It was far better than MP2, but it's going to be difficult for Nintendo or Retro to ever top MP1.
    • Hey we still have Mario Galaxy this year, along with...umm...yea.
    • Re:Success? (Score:5, Funny)

      by pokerdad ( 1124121 ) on Thursday October 11, 2007 @02:07PM (#20942875)

      Also, I can't help but notice that the old release date announcement has been quietly taken off the official Smash Bros site.

      Yeah I hate it when inaccurate information is taken off of websites to prevent confusion.

      • by Fex303 ( 557896 )

        Yeah I hate it when inaccurate information is taken off of websites to prevent confusion.
        My point was there was no announcement that the date had changed, they simply took away the announcement. It would have been nice for there to some sort of acknowledgment that they've had to change the date.
    • Did you play Resident Evil 4:Wii Edition? Lots of replay value there. I'm still playing Mercs from the GC version!

      I'm sure someone else mentioned Metroid 3. How about the upcoming Soul Calibur Legends? Umbrella Chronicles? If you're upset that none of the things I mentioned are fighting games, how about Bleach, the next Guilty Gear game, or Samurai Showdown Anthology?

      Personally, I think that if Capcom had kept going with Power Stone, they could have made it a success on the Gamecube - but I understan

  • If they use the extra time to polish up and make the Network Play as solid as possible, then the delay is more than worth it. If they decide at the end that they just can't make it work, or use some pathetic matching system like buddy codes it'll be a huge blow to anyone who believed the Wii was a legitimate online multiplayer platform.
  • waaaaah omgSonicVsMario,, in an official game. sorry, words are failing me. this is momentous
  • So who hear joined me in screaming out a nice, James Earl Jones cry upon reading the subject title?

    Still, as has been echoed above, I'd rather an awesome game than an early game. ...
    Ok, somehow I hit the lameness filter for too much repetition. Somebody's gotta tell Taco or whoever else is in charge of that, that English is 75% redundant. Maybe I should just post an ascii representation of the gzipped contents of my post. Hm.. is my post long enough yet? Apparently so.
  • It's a bit upsetting that Nintendo feels that they can do this just because every single person who owns a Wii and liked the first & second games is a guaranteed sell, anyway. This isn't quality control - it's cost-cutting. Nintendo should have had more developers on this project from day 1 if this was the case.
    • by edwdig ( 47888 )
      This is nothing to do with lack of developers. It's a case of finding a last minute show stopping bug. A game needs to be final and done with testing about 2 months before the release date. They should be starting manufacturing now. Either they knew for several months that they weren't going to make the date, or much more likely, a serious bug was discovered at the last minute.
    • by Lehk228 ( 705449 )

      Nintendo had an entire building dedicated to SSBB development. this is very much an "Oh shit we can't release" problem
  • If it's delayed, it's delayed. Melee was extremely polished and it looks as if Brawl will surpass it in every conceivable way. Heck, I still play Melee semi-frequently. The Wii is selling well, they can afford to delay Brawl for a few extra months to perfect it. Besides, finally knowing that Sonic is official more than makes up for it. Though honestly, how surprising was the addition of Sonic? Brawl has had Solid Snake as a third-party character since day one, and with the Mario/Sonic Olympics game coming,

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