Manhunt 2 Leaked By Sony Europe Employee

GamePolitics has the word that the leaked version of Manhunt 2 was put onto the internet by a Sony employee. "GamePolitics has now learned that the leak came directly from PlayStation Europe. Here's a statement from Manhunt 2 publisher Take-Two Interactive: 'Take-Two Interactive has confirmed that a former employee of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) has acknowledged his responsibility for the unauthorized online distribution of an unrated play-test version of Manhunt 2 submitted for the European PAL PlayStation 2 computer entertainment system.'"

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[geedra]

Then no one will get to play them...oh wait, they never would because no one bought a ps3 in the first place.

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[Chosen Reject]

While I'm really a PC gamer, I do like to watch console sales. It just so happens I can clear up any confusion you have in this regard. I'm going to say this once and make it clear: The PS3 is selling just as well as the Xbox360. [vgchartz.com] Remember, the Xbox360 had a full year ahead of the PS3 where it did NOT have to compete against other next gen consoles. The Xbox360 had Halo fanboys expecting Halo 3. The Xbox360 had Gears of War right after launch. I'm not sure what is driving most of the sales of the PS3

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[Chosen Reject]

For the benefit of all of us, are you talking about vgchartz.com [vgchartz.com] or vgcharts.com [vgcharts.com], which are two different websites.

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[QMalcolm]

I am going to try to not come off as a prick in this post.

Vgchart(s|z) is shit. Worth nothing. I'm a member of an extremely passionate video game forum, and posting vgcharts is enough to get you banned. NPD and Media Create are really the only two accurate sources. Wherever the vgcharts numbers come from, they are not even good estimates.

In any case, the PS3 is not selling as well as the 360.

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[Ant P.]

Um, I just looked at vgcharts and the very first line of text on their front page is saying they get their numbers from NPD.

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[DDLKermit007]

Sorry, but you failed. You came off as a complete 1337est prick who should proceed to the nearest suicide booth.

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[king-manic]

I am going to try to not come off as a prick in this post.

Vgchart(s|z) is shit. Worth nothing. I'm a member of an extremely passionate video game forum, and posting vgcharts is enough to get you banned. NPD and Media Create are really the only two accurate sources. Wherever the vgcharts numbers come from, they are not even good estimates.

In any case, the PS3 is not selling as well as the 360.

You come off as a prick. Passionate != right. although vg chartz is often wrong. The PS3 outsells the 360 in japan. I

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[armareum]

I like how you bash two other websites, but don't even have the balls to tell us which elistist video game forum you're a member of.

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[Bud Dickman]

Why do you make so many posts with links to vgchartz?

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[Chosen Reject]

All of my posts to vgchartz are to correct people who have incorrect information about sales. For example, people often say that the Xbox360 is tearing the PS3 apart in sales. But if you look at the first year of sales for the 360 and compare it to the PS3, then to say the PS3 isn't selling well, is to say the Xbox360 isn't selling well.

I don't work for them and I don't think I've ever posted on their forums. NPD numbers are obviously more accurate, but vgchartz is usually pretty close, plus they have

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[Bud Dickman]

I don't believe you. You've got a vested interest here that you're not disclosing. Your behavior is too unusual.

"For example, people often say that the Xbox360 is tearing the PS3 apart in sales. But if you look at the first year of sales for the 360 and compare it to the PS3, then to say the PS3 isn't selling well, is to say the Xbox360 isn't selling well."

If someone says that the 360 is outselling the PS3, they're taking about the present. They most likely mean that on any given Saturday, more people are

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[Chosen Reject]

I will tell you what consoles I own.

• Gamecube

Now I will tell you what games I own for it

• Super Smash Bros.
• Wind Waker
• Lego Star Wars
• Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles (which came with the system and I've played 10 minutes of it)

I won't tell you what company I work for, but I've worked -- and am currently working on -- titles for the 360 and the Wii, and doing a mod for Half-Life 2 on the side. I have no vested interest in the PS3's success. For that matter, I have no interest in any console selling

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[Bud Dickman]

It's not full disclosure because you're lying. Your constant reference of vgchartz is very peculiar.

What company do you work for?

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[Chosen Reject]

Sorry, I got so caught up in your first and last statement that I didn't even respond to the rest of your comment. The poster that I originally responded to in this thread said "no one bought a ps3 in the first place." That doesn't sound like he's talking about "last Saturday." Looking through my limited comment history, a poster [slashdot.org] was talking about "last Saturday" type sales, but my pointing to vgchartz again was only to show that even though Wii's are hard to find, the Halo sales splurge didn't help it b

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[Bud Dickman]

"people often say that the Xbox360 is tearing the PS3 apart in sales"

""no one bought a ps3 in the first place." That doesn't sound like he's talking about "last Saturday."

No, it doesn't sound like he is talking about last Saturday but that is not how you presented it. You are shifting the statement you made. You are being intellectually dishonest with that type of nonsense.

Of course, you're being dishonest in general by not disclosing what company you work for and the vested interests you have. You're

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[Chosen Reject]

First off, if you don't want to believe me, then nothing short of having you look over my shoulder while I type this at work is going to change that. Here is a link to my profile on vgchartz. [vgchartz.com] I'm not going to tell you what company I work for simply because I already told you I am working on games for the Xbox360 and Wii. I don't know why it's so important to you either. Let's pretend I not only work for vgchartz, but even own, created, and am the sole runner of the site. What does that prove to you? L

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[Bud Dickman]

The XBox 360 competing along on the "next-gen" market versus the PS3 competing against the 360 and the Wii is not looking at trends. It's comparing apples to oranges and any conclusion you're drawing from that is irrelevant.

What company do you work for?

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[Chosen Reject]

You're right that it is different. And to anyone with half a brain it is obvious that the Xbox360 competing alone would be at an advantage. That is why MS did it. Therefore, if thing A has an advantage over thing B, but thing B is still selling at the same rate, then obviously thing B cannot be said to be not selling. Let's not lose sight over the point of this thread.

As for where I work: Why does it bother you so much? There have been several articles since I wrote my original post to this one tha

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[Bud Dickman]

"You're right that it is different. And to anyone with half a brain it is obvious that the Xbox360 competing alone would be at an advantage. That is why MS did it. Therefore, if thing A has an advantage over thing B, but thing B is still selling at the same rate, then obviously thing B cannot be said to be not selling. Let's not lose sight over the point of this thread."

Your analysis of "things" is really interesting and all but try considering that the 360 was competing against the best of the previous g

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[Chosen Reject]

The PS2 is still selling strong and is actually one of the PS3s biggest competitors. Not that Sony cares as they get money either way. If people were really waiting for the release of all next-gen consoles then you would see a large spike in sales once people saw what was there to be offered. We see that. It's called the Wii. However, the Wii hasn't been a part of this thread and I've purposefully ignored it.

And getting back to the original point, the PS3 is selling quite well. You don't seem to be

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[Bud Dickman]

"I'm done."

Oh good, so I can have the final word here. Thank you for that.

As I have demonstrated, your comparison of first year 360 sales to first year PS3 sales is flawed because it in no way takes into account market conditions. If MS sold no 360s in the first year and then sold 16 million in the 2nd, then it wouldn't really matter if the PS3 completely destroyed the 360's first year sales. It is about installed user base. Your ignorance of this tells me that you're either foolish or you're a shill tryi

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[brkello]

There are a lot of arguments about the accuracy of that site. But ignoring those, did you even look at the link you posted? The PS3 has one spike where it shoots way up and then drops immediately. The 360 had a big spike as well (only slightly lower than the PS3), and the spike is much more fat (i.e. it sold a larger number for a longer period of time). From those charts, the 360 looks to be doing much better.

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[Chosen Reject]

Unfortunately, since I posted that link, vgchartz has removed the functionality that the link actually pointed to. The link (when I wrote it) sent you to a graph that showed cumulative sales for all consoles lined up as if they started selling at the same time. Now it just shows weekly sales for the last year. The closest thing they have to what that link originally pointed is this [vgchartz.com] and you will just have to mentally move the Wii and PS3 lines to the left to align with the 360, and from that you'll see th

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[zygotic mitosis]

The Sony employee in question was fired. What more could the other publishers want? I don't see Sony getting in any more trouble than paying an OOC settlement to Take Two, then the whole thing goes away.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Your comment makes no sense.

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[SethraLavode]

* Dragon Quest is rumored to be on its way to the PS3 next year but not official yet. Not surprising when you look at how far the Wii has fallen off in sales. So much for that waggle hype.

You mean the same Dragon Quest that has been confirmed for the DS, with the spin-off which sold very well on the Wii? Right. I'm sure they'll move development from the DS to the PS3. It makes perfect sense.

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[pclminion]

Because of a leak that no longer works there? It could happen to any company, and it is unpreventable except with extremely draconian measures.

viral marketing

[Elsapotk421]

jeez is sony still trying to make it's own viral ads to sell ps3s? BAD SONY! BAD SONY!

Later on Slashdot:

[JK_the_Slacker]

"In related news, sales of Playstation 3s in Europe have doubled, making a grand total of six owners of the game console..."

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[Victor Antolini]

You're not on the USA, you're on the internet, welcome to the world nub!

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[JK_the_Slacker]

Hey guess what? I don't hate the PS3. I intend to own one, one of these days. I game on my PC. I also game on my PS2 and my Xbox. I game on my Gameboy. All of these, I see as tools. Fanboy? Hardly. You assume too much.

By the way, there is more to life than flaming people because they make a sarcastic exaggeration about a product.

And finally, there's nothing wrong with my English.

Come on, slashdot...

[rustalot42684]

So, where's the link to the torrent?

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[Silverlancer]

PAL: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3801111/Manhunt_2_%5BPAL%5D%5BPS2DVD%5D%5BEnglish%5D [thepiratebay.org] NTSC fix (to play on NTSC PS2s): http://www.rapidsafe.net/rc-IzMkNmYzcTM/Manhunt_2__Banned___Uncut__NTSC_Fix_-_CHRONiC.rar [rapidsafe.net]

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[FireBreath]

still baffled how people can find slashdot.. but they can't find a decent torrent site.

Well duh

[Kingrames]

It's like a cheap horror movie.

RUN BITCH RUN! The torrent is coming from inside the house.

hmm

[jollyreaper]

Think this was accidentally on purpose?

kidding on the square

[westlake]

Think this was accidentally on purpose?

and that in one line tells you why no one is cutting Rockstar any slack.

the voluntary ratings system in the states wouldn't last six months if a developer was caught leaking AO content to the net.

you could kiss goodbye any tolerance the console manufacturers might have had for home-brewed content that wasn't licensed and distributed through portals like XBox Live!

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[Deliveranc3]

Did they find this by checking some kind of watermarking or by tracing the initial seed of a file transfer?

Is there any decent anonymizing service designed for this problem? Might be something the pirate bay should look into.

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[mzs]

No because it was Sony Europe, not Take Two or Rock Star.

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[rhyder128k]

I did begin to wonder how Slashdot had managed to go a week or so without advertising... erm, I mean... featuring this crap game again.

A case where piracy really does hurt...

[Trojan35]

I imagine most who wanted Manhunt were disinterested with the reports of the gore being blurred. I think anyone who still intended to buy the game is now much more likely to download it illegally.

waahh!!

[andreyvul]

ps2 not pc: no fair!

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[Awod]

Use Pcsx2 0.9.2

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[Anonymous Coward]

get a thick ps2 from ebay for like 60 USD and a xeno ps for 12

How to get a job after that?

[OrangeTide]

I wonder how someone that screws up like that can get a job again. Do you just give up and work a factory job? You probably can't get a retail job with a criminal record, who is going to let you work a cash register if they think you will steal things. (leaking copyrighted materials == stealing to the eyes of most businesses)