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Gamasutra has up an analysis by Matt Matthews looking at the distribution of ESRB ratings across several generations of consoles. He makes particular note of Nintendo's efforts with the GameCube and Wii: "On the GameCube over 51% of the games were rated E and 6.1% were rated E10+. This makes the GameCube appear to be more friendly for younger gamers ... From the beginning Nintendo has wanted to attract non-traditional gamers with its Wii hardware and software. Perhaps as a result of the manufacturer's strategy, many Wii games have been designed to appeal to -- and therefore are rated for -- a general audience. Over 82% of the Wii catalog is either rated E or E10+. Only 3.2% are rated M, less than half the rate on Nintendo's previous console, GameCube. Still, that 3.2% is significantly higher than the rates on either the Nintendo DS or the Game Boy Advance." Matthews makes a few offhand comments about the analysis on the Curmudgeon Gamer site, as well.
controller methods (Score:3, Funny)
I bet Wii has to be more careful about the type of games it allows. If you had a ninja assassin game where you have to pantomime garroting a guard with the controller wire, it might cause parents to get upset!
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So, you mean exactly what you do in Godfather : Blackhand Edition for Wii? Yes, one of your weapons is a garotte. You sneak up behind the guard, do a jerk apart of the nunchuk and wiimote, and then saw back and forth. It's a little disturbing the first few times you do it.
Of course, that would probably be the reason that it's an M-rated game that parents are advised not to buy young children. Of course, some people are stupid.
Mod Up (Score:1)
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WANT!
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How is boxing not violent? (Score:4, Insightful)
Now its not an M, but is punching people in the head really "E"? Even if its done cartoon style?
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Is Hockey only intended for a mature audience because of the body checking? What about football? They literally run into each other and TACKLE one another to the ground... ON PURPOSE.
Seriously, you people need to give this a rest.
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Oh, by the way, I do
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Is Hockey only intended for a mature audience because of the body checking? What about football? They literally run into each other and TACKLE one another to the ground... ON PURPOSE.
Seriously, you people need to give this a rest.
Well just to note (Score:3, Informative)
In terms of why I think it mostly has to do with societal norms. There's isn't a perfectly objective way to rate content, just can't happen. As such ratings generally reflect the conceptions of the society they are in. That is to say what people would generally consider acceptable at a given level. This is also why nudity gets hit so hard in US ratings systems. The US has always ha
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Actually, if you made a graphical representation of an @ slaughtering an f, it'd be just fine. But if your game realistically depicted a humanoid shredding a feline to pieces (can't be more specific than that, you only gave me characters, not colors! :), it'd be considered violent.
The @ and f example looks completely preposterous, but take, for example, the Worms series. You have a very graphic representation of chaos and mayhem, but it's ok because there's no implicit or explicit "real" violence there. E
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Re:How is boxing not violent? (Score:5, Insightful)
Society gets to decide what is outrageous. We don't have to follow black and white rules and be logically consistent.
Society is outraged by shotgunning of people. Society is not outraged by two people agreeing to box each other for sport. A few extreme pacifists do say that this is akin to other violence sine you are physically harming another person, and they're right. It's violence, but society isn't outraged by it.
That's why boxing can be an innocent game for kids, because society isn't worried that kids will grown up thinking it's ok to box people who agree to participate for sport. They do frown on kids growing up thinking shooting other peopleis ok, and thus restrict very violent games to parents, so parents can be involved enough to tell kids.. hey, that's a game and this stuff isn't ok in real life.
Frankly, the system seems to work. I think society reinforces the message that boxing is ok and murder isn't. Some parents buy GTA for their kids and don't involved themselves enough to tell the kids that its topics are things that are not OK in real life... and sometimes these kids are sufficiently insulated from society that they don't get that same message... but kids with such awful childhoods aer probably going to be bad guys anyway.
I don't think it's fair to conflate all violence by simplistic definitions. They have to be cultural and based on societal outrage, because that's not informative of the true nature of the activity than rote logic application.
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But even if Boxing is not good, it's not outrageous to be fan in the same way it is outrageous to like real murder. There's a huge distinction. First of all, you box other sport
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As Expected (Score:1, Interesting)
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I find it interesting that you feel a game like Resident Evil wouldn't interest older players.
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The idea that only teens are interested in M rated games is flawed. I mean, what are all the 30 year old gamers playing then? Phoenix Wright?
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But M is probably most widely played by 13-18 year olds. It's not so much that older gamers aren't playing them, but that many 13-18 year olds are playing NOTHING BUT M-rated games. Most teenagers won't even touch a T-rated game, because they're so damn eager to be considered an adult, and let's face it, M rated games tend to be more testosterone pumpers, and that's going to appeal to addolencents... there a
M-Rated games seldomly actually targeted at adults (Score:2)
While some "mature" games are great for adults (you mentioned Bioshock and Mass Effect), a lot of them are just dumb, bloody crapfests with breast physics thrown in to satisfy teens. M-Rated games are hardly ever actually targeted at adults
Phoenix Wright vs. Halo (Score:2)
The idea that only teens are interested in M rated games is flawed. I mean, what are all the 30 year old gamers playing then? Phoenix Wright?
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I'm two years shy of 30, and I play Phoenix Wright, but no Halo. I think Halo is a pretty average FPS overrun by swearing homophobic kids, while Phoenix Wright is a well-written, engaging Adventure game for more mature gamers who are not adverse to doing some actual reading and thinking.
So I have no idea what you're trying to imply with your PW comment.
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You have got to be kidding me.
They want to sell games. If not why would they fight laws limiting there sales to adults like they do in several EU countries? If you think they actually care about any type of freedom. Sony????
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let's see, you're acting as an authority figure, speaking to a demographic that is, by nature (biologically), anti-authoritarian, and then you're telling them that they must wait until their older, and putting them down in the process. Does this make no-sense to anyone else but me?
I'm all for a rating system, FOR PARENTS. But leave t
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Why not they do it in Europe?
Children prefer Games targeted at Adults (Score:2)
Do you have an evidence of that?
Surveys have shown time and time again that teenagers prefer games and consoles ostensibly targeted at adults. This is the first one I found, after a bit of googling:
Survey: Children Prefer PS3 Most, Wii Least [kotaku.com]
It's not surprising, either. When I was young, Mortal Kombat was the shit because it had blood and decapitation and stuff. Nowadays, I play the games I actually like, not the ones that are most likely to impress my pals.
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The funny thing is, there's never really anything 'adult' about games that are rated 'Adults Only', nor is there anything particularly 'Mature' about games labeled such.
I figure at the rate things are going, there will one day be a game consisting solely of giant-sized genitalia doing battle with machine guns and bodily fluids while healing themselves with crack cocaine. The villain will be an undead mutant urethra, who rapes the players with his radioactive waste-spewing demon gonads and multifarious blood-dripping, sulfurous tube-like appendages, better known as 'Satan-tacles'. At that point, the ESRB will have to add a new category above 'Well-socialized And Upstanding Community Member' (which itself was created to categorize Puppy Molestors 4), probably named something like 'Confucian'. And the whole thing takes place in Hell.
Perhaps more specifically, the issue is that the ratings denote that the content is inappropriate for children, not that it's of interest to or worthwhile to adults. A game doesn't get rature 'Mature' for making the player think, or for trying to enrich them. It gets labeled 'Mature' for showing blood and guts, or boobies. I know that I used to confuse the two quite a bit. I think that, as a teenager, violent movies and
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I figure at the rate things are going, there will one day be a game consisting solely of giant-sized genitalia doing battle with machine guns and bodily fluids while healing themselves with crack cocaine. The villain will be an undead mutant urethra, who rapes the players with his radioactive waste-spewing demon gonads and multifarious blood-dripping, sulfurous tube-like appendages, better known as 'Satan-tacles'
Thanks for the nostalgic flashback... that sounds like a GWAR video!
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Violence != Mature (Score:2)
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I'd Prefer MPAA Style Ratings (Score:1)
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E10+ (Score:1)
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ESRB ratings sound so pathetically lame. Why not just use MPAA style ratings, which everyone likes (unless they're also copyrighted or something). . .
because I'd like my game rating to reflect the contents of the game not the politics of the rater. The MPAA is one of the very worst ratings organizations out there. Almost every movies that gets a NC-17 gets a "mild adult" in most other markets. Some of the R rated movies gets a "Adults only" in other markets. The MPAA is easily influenced by money, panders to a sexually puritanical, mentally ultra violent ideal. The MPAA is not a good organization to pattern anything after.
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RSAC lost (Score:2)
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Would the change matter much? We assume people are ignoring ESRB ratings because they aren't as recognizable as MPAA's ratings. I went and saw American Gangster a couple weeks ago and saw more than a few young children and pre-teens in the audience, escorted by their parents. I know introducing children to adult content is at the parent's discretion, but maybe the issue is not that the ratings are insufficiently informative, but that there are many parents who simply don't care to regulate the content th
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They're trademarked, the MPAA has taken action against unaffiliated websites that used the scale. Going to the MPAA system would probably result in the MPAA wanted to take over rating games from the current ESRB. This would not be a good thing.
Take it a step further... (Score:2, Interesting)
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It is interesting to see how the M rated game fares in competion with Mario and his friends:
Amazon.com Bestsellers In Video Games {9 PM ET November 30]
6 Call of Duty 4 [XBox]
11 Assasin's Creed [XBox]
16 Halo 3 [XBox]
28 Mass Effect [XBox]
42 Call of Duty 4 [PS3]
43 Assasin's Creed [PS3]
48 Call of Duty 4 {XP/Vista]
56 Madden NFL 08 [XBox]
57
More telling about Genre? (Score:2)
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And most of them will be absolute garbage pushed out solely to turn a buck.
Quake DS (Score:2)
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If you look at the DS and GBA there are very very few FPS games
But the DS has Quake and more than a few mods. What other M-rated FPS do you need?
Perhaps I should have written:
"there are very very few officially licensed FPS games"
It's obvious that homebrew and homebrew ports don't count since they didn't count for Gamasutra's analysis.
Not really a complaint that there needs to be more, mind you, I don't like the genre much, personally. More of an observation that there are more generic FPS games on PSP than DS or GBA.
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Homebrew software? You might as well argue that failing to disclose hidden beta code that requires a 3rd party mod to unlock it is enough to get a game re-rated!
Wait... hold on...
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Ever hear of labels? (Score:1)
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How is that possible? (Score:2)
Two of those 5 were released within the last 2 wee
Flawed Methodology (Score:1)