The $8,500 Gaming Table You Want 260
Recently I stumbled upon The Sultan Gaming Table. With a price tag of over $8K, it would have to be awesome: but it has little compartments for the players and DM as well as a drop-down playing surface. If you find the pricetag daunting then you are a sane person, and might instead want to look at the Emissary which starts at a "mere" $1,500 and has many of the same features. Honestly I just love the idea of having my minis on a playing surface underneath the dinner table. I ought to be allowed to expense one of these. I also wish they had more pictures and fewer renderings on the site.
It's Just A Table (Score:3, Insightful)
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Indeed.
I'm doing the same thing with a desk. I've been thinking about getting a tricked-out Ikea Galant setup, but figured out I could build something similar for about 1/4th the cost. When possible, do it yourself...this applies to just about anything. Costs less, you can get EXACTLY what you want, and you get the satisfaction of a job well done.
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When possible, do it yourself...this applies to just about anything.
Except surgery.
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You missed the first part:
When possible.
Surgery on yourself is rarely possible :p
Well, unless you're Rambo, then you just need a bullet, some matches, a knife, and some fishing line.
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Unless, of course, you're Black Jack. [wikipedia.org]
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We need a mod for Interesting/Hilarious/Scary
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I can't help noticing that the guy who's holding the eye surgery device he invented is wearing glasses. So I guess this is a either a clever troll or an incompetent scam.
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In college I successfully performed oral surgery on my own mouth (gory story ahead):
I had a horrible wisdom tooth, growing in 'sideways'. It would surge 'up' occasionally, making my whole jaw swell and causing horrible pain. I got the notion that if the thing could hit air, it might just stop trying to come in...
I sterilized the tip of my Kansas City Board of Trade pen knife with my lighter, and went to work on it in the men's room. Five minutes later, I had successfully removed a flap of skin over that
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I don't intend to need even that excuse.
Hmm... where have I heard the phrase "zombie carpenter" before?
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Amen.
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Jesus is back, and he's here to eat your brains *and* swipe your power tools!
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Behold, these are my brains, which are given up for you. Whosoever shall eat of them shall not die but shall live forever.
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John 6:51-58 (KJV) [biblegateway.com]
51 "I am the reanimated bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will 'live' forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world." 52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?" 53 Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the brain of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 "Whoever eats My brain and drink
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:4, Funny)
But.. But... That won't be Heirloom Quality!
Have you checked the prices of games lately? Won't be long until millionaires are the only people who can afford to game...
"I say, Chauncy, don't roll your solid gold d12 there! You'll scratch my Sultan Table and Wooster will be hours buffing it out."
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But.. But... That won't be Heirloom Quality!
This is Slashdot. How many regulars do you anticipate ever having heirs? (Unless someone perfects budding or full-organism mitosis)
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In furniture, Heirloom Quality has a pretty specific meaning. It would take years of carpentry expreience to make a tqable like that at that quality level.
They define what they mean:
http://www.geekchichq.com/Theory_Conjecture/Heirloom_Quality/Heirloom_Quality.html [geekchichq.com]
Seriously, you sound like a non geek making fun of USB 3.
Games are not that expensive.
Savage Worlds: 10 bucks for the main book.
DnD 4e retail 34.00 The first Players Handbook in 1978 was 20 bucks. Calculate inflation into that
In 1995, Computer games where 30/40 bucks.
Ticket to ride, 40 bucks: The is the price of equivalent quality board games in the 1980s.
Gaming is not becoming more expensive If anything, it's cheaper.
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:5, Funny)
Gaming is not becoming more expensive If anything, it's cheaper.
They make the games affordable, but then where they get you is the furniture. Sneaky bastards.
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A buddy of mine plays with a set of polyhedral dice that cost him $3800.00 for the set. They are cut from meteorites. his D20 cost $450.00 on it's own.
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:5, Insightful)
And he still rolls ones just like the rest of us.
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, but he rolls ones FROM SPACE.
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http://crystalcaste.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=CC&Category_Code=XS [crystalcaste.com]
http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/04/the_10_most_shameful_rpg_dice.php [toplessrobot.com]
Wouldn't meteorite, steel or iron be affected by magnetic fields? Or is it assumed anyone this obsessive is honest to a fault?
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This may be true to some extent, but I can also report from my own direct first-hand experience that there have been times I've seen an item in the store for what I thought was an exorbitant price, and I decided to build it myself instead. And while I did get the "enjoyment" payoff you mention, after buying all the wood, fasteners, hinges, paint, etc. (not to mention a specialized tool if the project requires one) I sometimes found that I spent as much or more than the "exorbitant" item would have cost in t
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Yes, building a table like that IS difficult, even for experienced carpenters. Did you even look at this thing?
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And MDF is NOT a hardwood.
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How can you look at it? There are no pictures of it. Just concept renderings. Does it even exist?
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I agree. It's incredibly difficult to build a real life table that looks like an artist drawing of said table."
No, it's real, as you can see in the photos below, but I agree, it's very strange the website has no real photos of a $8,500 table.
http://www.wraithwerks.net/blog/GenCon%202008%20Photos/Sultan%20Gaming%20Table.jpg [wraithwerks.net]
http://www.purplepawn.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/sultan-gaming-table.jpg [purplepawn.com]
http://www.robotviking.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/sultan01.jpg [robotviking.com]
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Don't want to sound too negative, but while the quality of the carpentry itself may be "heirloom quality", the actual table looks like shit.
Seriously... If I was to shell out that much money, it should at least look somewhat elegant.
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nevermind, the one shown in the robotviking link looks much better already (but still not good enough to fork out $8500).
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:4, Insightful)
Obviously the market segment for this thing is limited, but the vast selection of furniture stores out there tells me there are plenty of people who would rather pay a premium for furniture to avoid having to build it themselves.
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>>Get some first hand experience with carpentry and build yourself one. It's not difficult.
The only B I got in middle school was in woodworking. I did win the award for "Best Citizenship in Woodworking", which was kind of like getting kicked in the nuts for the long drive out to the school awards ceremony.
I've been looking for a gaming table for a while now. If their prices were about half what they are now, I'd probably buy one.
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Why not just buy a pool table? It certainly looks like one.
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And make it a LOT better. Using BOOKS for the DM? How drol. give them a laptop station or better yet a 21" monitor location for reading all the PDF files of every book needed. Plus using decent Virtual tabletop software and camera control for adding in long distance players. Yes this is getting more and more common having a player skype in.
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I don't think the owners of this company -- like any other company -- really care that there is an enthusiast market out there that is more than willing to build its own gaming tables. They probably would never match this table, feature-for-feature, anyway.
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Tell your friend you have a sheet of MDF or something and that you need to make some cuts with a table saw
The "real thing" is made out of hardwoods instead of particle board. Next time you visit Home Depot or whatever, check the price of some nice chunks of oak. Also realize hardwoods are more expensive/difficult to work with... Given a hammer to start it, large pieces of cheapass pine darn near allow self tapping screws, whereas oak is so tough you'll practically need a metalworking tap set to screw it together.
Leading to my anecdote of the day, last week I was trying to build some model-RR stuff using some
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:5, Insightful)
Even easier. Start with a pool table, strip out the bits you don't want, and trim the table with whatever geegaws you want. That appears to be what this company did.
The big advantage over building from scratch: the boring generic "table" part is already done for you, and you can concentrate on the gaming part. In fact, if you made a kind of arrangement that sat in the pockets of the pool table, you could remove the whole thing and still play pool if you wanted to.
This is pretty much what it means to be a geek. To the average person, the "constructed" part of his environment, the things he lives with, that is something fixed. He can buy new stuff or throw old stuff away. If you are geek, no thing's form has to be regarded as fixed.
Practically everything I own has been modified in some way. When I got my Kindle, my first thought was that the metal back was too slippery. I considered covering it with rubberized paint, but settled instead by putting a couple of strips of two inch velcro loop tape to it which makes it easier to hold. I applied velcro hook tape to the slip cover so the two pieces could be handled as one unit. I have a leatherette (vinyl) zip portfolio that I carry paper, writing implements and my kindle in, and I slapped velcro loop on the inside to give the kindle (inside its slipcover) crush space. Since I had velcro hook left over I slapped that on the outside and now I can stand the portfolio with it's spine up and it is a reading stand.
People see that and say, "isn't that clever." But it's not. Once you realize you can turn any surface you aren't otherwise using into a reading stand by slapping some velcro tape on it, it's obvious.
Re:It's Just A Table (Score:4, Insightful)
Another "everybody's exactly like me" post. I took carpentry in Junior High, but I sucked at it, and have only a single (really ugly) bookcase to show for my training. Maybe you can throw together something like this without a lot of effort. I never could hope to attempt something like this, and I suspect most people are in the same category.
Don't get me wrong, I admire (and envy) people who are good with their hands. And even though my own experience was less than positive, I bemoan that fact that most kids don't get a chance to take shop anymore. But dude, people have different strengths and weaknesses.
And, not incidentally, $8K is not that much to pay for this kind of furniture, if it's well made. Whether it's worth it to an individual is a personal call. But if you're a really serious gamer (I'm certainly not) it strikes me as a decent investment.
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Good god - what utter conceit! You look at a large and intricate piece of hardwood furniture, with all kinds of drawers, sliding parts, and recesses, put together with numerous dovetail joints no less, and you think anyone with access to a table saw and a miter saw could build one.
The sheer arrogance of this assumption leads me to believe you've never built anything like this before. If you had, you'd know that even building a single drawer using dovetails is not a trivial endeavour. Add to that the challenge of making many drawers, selecting and mounting hardware that aligns them nicely and lets them slide in and out smoothly. And after you have it all built, there's the significant task of applying a nice finish to the wood.
There is a huge difference between knowing basic carpentry and knowing how to make hardwood furniture. You clearly have no grasp of how much time and skill a project like this requires. It involves hours and hours of planning, measuring, cutting, machining, fitting, gluing, clamping, sanding, and finishing. It requires a sizable workshop with an extensive array of tools, and the quality of the results is directly proportional to the quality of the tools you employ. Don't kid yourself that you could easily build such a thing.
Stop with the Slashvertisement... (Score:2, Insightful)
... thank you.
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ymbnh
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Yeah, we don't want to know about things we can buy. Like computers and books and video games and and and....
Make it cooler (Score:4, Insightful)
What would really be cool is if the table surface was a touch LCD display that you could put digitized maps up on.
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Here you go. [microsoft.com]
Although that's a Microsoft site which is richly laced with Silverlight dependencies, there's some usable content there even with good ol' XHTML 1.0 Transitional.
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Now make it 6x the size, triple the display resolution, add space for your knees, and a whole whack of custom software...
Except that would be a few hundred thousand dollars. Canned technology is not the solution for all problems.
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zerg rush week (Score:2)
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With a cheap projector and some patience, I've priced DIY multitouch tables at less than $1000.
Forget the expensive multitouch, I think it would be fun just to have a monitor underneath to select your own custom background. Maps, some relevant object from the campaign, Pr0n, who knows. I've been planning on putting a cheap-o "big" TV underneath a glass coffee table for this purpose, once I have nothing better to do / nothing better to buy. Basically a horizontal version of a vertical digital picture frame.
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My first thought when I read "$8500 gaming table" was something along the lines of a multitouch "table" that would've been perfect for RTS gaming and various non-gaming tasks. To say I was disappointed when I read the summary and realized that this was just a fairly expensive table would be an understatement.
The Sultan on PVP (Score:5, Funny)
The Sultan was recently featured in a PvP comic classic.
Part 1 [pvponline.com]
Part 2 [pvponline.com]
Part 3 [pvponline.com]
Part 4 [pvponline.com]
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Dood - just back off.... He's rad, 'k ?
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Can we have a products section or one labeled as Slavertisements?
Honestly, unless the product is something reviewed on Anandtech or "trusted" computer site it always comes across as if the submitter works for the group in the story.
Nothing New (Score:2)
Honestly, unless the product is something reviewed on Anandtech or "trusted" computer site it always comes across as if the submitter works for the group in the story.
That's not really different than a lot of the stories - You will find that 60 to 70 percent are submitted by people who work for PC / Info / Tech World or whoever. No real difference here.
Cool but too expensive (Score:2)
While I am with the "must want one" crowd, the price tag is so outrageous I don't believe that many gamers would ever be able to afford one. Even if cheaper "Emissary" is $1500 for a 4 x 6 table, it is nothing bigger than a basic dinner table.
For price comparisons, look at a decent home pool table like the ones found here [pooltablesdirect.com]. Those are not cheap, they are pretty decent and of much better quality than the "Emissary".
I would love to have one of these tables, but until the price comes down, the slightly reasonab
You are thinking about it wrong (Score:2)
It's a nice piece of furniture. Nice furnitures costs a lot of money.
A high quality dining table will cost several thousand dollars.
Of course, this think is poorly designed in that you can't pull a chair up and sit at it, but to say it's too much for a table is really to generic of a term.
Nice meaning solid wood, well crafted, sturdy and will last someone a life time with some care. Not some Ikea POS.
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No a high quality dining table wont cost several thousand unless you shop at a furniture store where they rob you. I had solid wood funiture made for me by a master woodworker locally for 1/2 the price of the utter crap they sell at most of the "furniture stores" and mine has real inlays, real wood, and real craftsmanship instead of the machine made MDF core veneered garbage they sell at the fine furniture Botique's
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Dude if you look a bit at Ikea you can build one for less than $300.00. Will it be heirloom quality? nope, but knowing the turds I game with neither will the $8900.00 one in 1 years time.
Bolt together some desks and shelf units to a table, add some tall barstool seats... Voila. go to home depot to get your "whiteboard plexi"
Honestly this is quite effortless, I can even make a felt covered insert board for MTG tournaments for less than $50.00
Price tag (Score:3, Insightful)
If you find the pricetag daunting then you are a sane person
If you don't find it daunting because you live in a fifty million dollar house and drive a hundred thousand dollar car, finding the price tag not daunting doesn't make you insane.
Hell, it hasn't been that long since a decent gaming PC cost that much. Now paying $5000 for a bottle of wine? That marks you as insane even if you're Bill Gates.
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Do you really not get it? seriously? People who pay 5000 Dollars for a bottle of wine are making one of two types of investments:
Long term. They will re-sell it in 10 years for 10,000
Business deal. They will be using it to toast a 100 million dollar deal.
It's like saying spending 5,000 dollars on a Rembrandt is insane because all you're going to do is hang it up in your living room and look at it.
Of course, if you are making millions of dollar in interest on your fortune every day, 5,000 dollars is nothing
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No, I'm saying buying a $5k bottle of wine to drink is insane, even toasting a business deal. Buying it to later sell at a profit is wise, drinking it is like burning that Rembrandt.
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Some things are enjoyed over an indefinite time (like a painting), some are one-time experiences (like drinking a bottle of wine). I understand some people preferring one to the other, but insanity doesn't come into it. Or are people buying concert tickets insane? Or people going on vacation? The actual cost is beside the point, it's just a value call based on how much the money means to you vs how much the experience means to you.
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Or are people buying concert tickets insane?
At today's ticket prices, yes indeed. It's highway robbery.
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Yeah, there is a whole category of people who have to be SEEN to be rich, or they aren't happy. Being rich isn't good enough. People have to see you spend absurd amounts of money on non-necessities and blow it off like it was no big deal. These people have a tendency to mention prices a lot, name drop and not-so-subtly brag.
For regular folks, the equivalent is an iPod. iPods aren't for people who like listening to music. They're for people who like to be SEEN listening to music. You see them constantl
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Billy Joel said it well in "Movin' Out". That song is even more relevant now than it was when it was new.
Seen at GenCon (Score:2)
I saw these at GenCon last year. They are really well made and designed in general though more geared towards RPG play than boardgame or mini play. Pricey, but they are meant to be furniture equal to your nice dining room furniture, not a 2x4 gaming table. The lower surface may require people to reach a bit much though, and I would have liked to have tried one in action.
The slat covers could cause a problem with spilled drinks leaking onto the surface below.
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Really? I saw it last year at GenCon as well and with the center hex or 1" square surface I figured it was perfect for Miniature gaming. Especially since you'd have to stand in order to play. Certainly not board games (well not exclusively anyway; you could play on the top but you'd still have to stand) and I know the groups I play with would rather sit on the couches I have in my game room than at the chair and table (which I created for board gaming).
[John]
Pool Table (Score:2)
Looks like a pool table, without the pockets... Something makes me think that this is a pool table, without the pockets.
For $8000 I'll buy a pool table, with pockets and get a lot more functionality out of it
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That is a horrible gaming table (Score:2)
Look at it again, and this time imagine trying to sit up to it in a chair. You Chair can't go unmder the table, and you body would end up beng 2 feet from th table.
Uncomfortable.
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"Table Height
Standard table height is 29". We find this to be a good fit for most people. People taller than 6' may wish to add an inch or two.
However the height of the table can be any you wish from 12" (if you sit on the floor to eat) to 36" if you want to sit at barstools."
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I think you are supposed to stand around it.
For how long? (Score:2)
If you're playing a 2-4 hour (or longer) RPG or tactical/wargame session, do you *really* want to stand for 2 to 4 hours?
I guess it's a good way to make sure your gaming sessions end in a timely manner. . .
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The Emissary can host chairs.
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Do Not Want (Score:2)
There will be NO SEX on the Emissary! (Score:2)
No Picture? (Score:2)
Where's the picture? They expect people to spend $8500 on spec?
For all we know this is conceptual only. Have they ever made a table?
Give us something other than renders please!
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read TFA and see plenty of pics you klodhopper!
Nice craftmanship... but (Score:2)
. . . it would have to be Awesome. . . (Score:2)
I have in my hands, right now, a blank piece of printer paper. Now, this is no *ordinary* printer paper. It's *Awesome* printer paper. How awesome is it? Well, for only $8500, *it could be yours*! With a price tag of over $8k, it would have to be awesome.
Renderings (Score:2)
"I also wish they had more pictures and fewer renderings on the site."
Renderings = No customers yet - no one has stepped up to actually buy one so they could take actual pictures of it.
Totally agree with everyone else on the site. Wood working is a fantastic hobby, involving precision planning, math, geometry and all sorts of things you won't account for on your first go. So start small, and build on your experience. In time, you will be able to build a fantastic "heirloom quality" piece you will be proud
Okay, have had one of these in action. (Score:5, Insightful)
Had one of these on loan from the GeekChic guys in our booth at GenCon last year.
VERY
NICE
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TABLE
If I had space and the spare cash to front for one, I'd buy one.
I've seen people ragging about not being able to sit around one. This is what the fold-down desks are for.
I've seen people complaining that the drawers would get in the way. They don't. PERIOD. You don't leave them open during play. The drawers are for storage.
I've seen people ragging on the price. Look at the cost of nice hardwood furniture. And I said NICE. My mother's a friggin' oak fanatic. So I know how pricey this stuff gets.
Their prices are only outrageous when viewed in a vacuum. People are talking about being able to buy the materials and tools for less. Sure. If your labor is worthless and you have already figured out all the joinery and other neat tricks that they've incorporated into one of these tables.
Very likely though, you have not. As such, you're paying a skilled craftsman for labor.
Sure, you can buy a pool table or a folding table for a lot less. But the utility for gaming is also a lot less.
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I've seen people ragging on the price. Look at the cost of nice hardwood furniture.
It seems to be aimed more for the "coastal mcmansion" market than "moms basement" market.
Re:Okay, have had one of these in action. (Score:5, Interesting)
I've seen people ragging on the price. Look at the cost of nice hardwood furniture. And I said NICE. My mother's a friggin' oak fanatic. So I know how pricey this stuff gets.
Their prices are only outrageous when viewed in a vacuum. People are talking about being able to buy the materials and tools for less. Sure. If your labor is worthless and you have already figured out all the joinery and other neat tricks that they've incorporated into one of these tables.
Very likely though, you have not. As such, you're paying a skilled craftsman for labor.
I'm a computer programmer and play a lot of RPGs. I'm also a woodworking fanatic. I've spent the last 10 years collecting power tools, and I don't mean hand drills and jigsaws. I have a complete woodworking shop in my 3-car garage. I had to put in a separate 100amp subpanel just for the shop. I have probably $30,000 in tools. I've made maybe half a dozen pieces of furniture so far. I would have made more, but my time is limited.
I could probably make a decent attempt at this table and do fairly well. I'm sure mine wouldn't be as good. It takes skill to do this stuff, even with good tools. And the tools can be expensive. The dovetails for example take years of practice to be able to make them look perfect when doing them by hand. I can make perfect dovetails, but I use a $500 jig and two $200 routers. Even the router bits can be $5 to $40 a piece. And the hardwoods their using aren't cheap either. Things like oak, walnut, cherry, and maple can go from $2 to $8 a board-foot (144 cubic inches of wood), more (possibly 10x more) for figured wood. Then there's the finish. Getting it right is hard and takes hours of surface preparation. I still suck at this.
I'm amused by people's attitudes toward good furniture. People walk through furniture stores and ooh and ahh over the furniture. We have antique furniture now because it was made right in the past. The stuff you see today, most of it will fall apart in a few years. When I walk through furniture stores now, all I see are the shortcuts, finishing mistakes, and how that piece will fail.
People think that because you can buy a piece of crap particle board or MDF table at walmart for $50, that this table is outrageously priced. What's really happened is that your incomes have dropped so low that the real quality that we used to be able to afford is now beyond reach. I can't afford $8000 for a table. But I can certainly make nice ones now that my grandchildren will have in their houses.
Something better you can DIY and have tech. (Score:2)
http://tyrendes.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!3B5F578C5068731F!266.entry?ppud=4&wa=wsignin1.0&sa=573220466 [live.com]
Good furniture costs money (Score:2, Insightful)
For those complaining about the price tag: good quality furniture made from solid wood costs real money.
I spent over $1000 on black walnut (some highly figured) for a 7 drawer chest on chest I built last summer.
Probably spent close to 100 hours on it too.
Depending on the wood, $10, $20 or even $50 a board foot ( 1 square foot of wood, 1 inch thick) is not unusual.
That said, if it's cheap wood, or plywood with hardwood veneer, you should not be spending the same amount. (unless the veneer is exceedingly rare
Re:News? (Score:4, Insightful)
If the thing is made from the materials and quality of work that they claim? The price is not that unreasonable. A standard hand crafted cabinet or table made from those materials with old fashioned proper construction will cost thousands of dollars.
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Yea, I saw it last year at GenCon Indy and had read a few comments on rpg.net. It looks nice and all but it's really for the folks who are miniature gamers (which is basically what D&D 4E is; minis rules). I do use minis at times for positioning during the game but not throughout the session.
I made my own table for boardgaming, 6' x 6' which works very well. It holds Arkham Horror and all the expansions (so far). And for regular gaming, the three couches and two coffee tables work perfectly.
[John]