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Linux Users Donate Twice As Much As Windows Users, On Average 145

sammyF70 writes "The Wolfire/Humble Indie Bundle real time statistics have been updated to show the average amount donated per platform. It looks like Linux users donate twice as much, on average, as Windows users. You can see some graphs on the Wolfire blog."
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Linux Users Donate Twice As Much As Windows Users, On Average

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  • I wonder ... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Archangel Michael ( 180766 ) on Friday May 07, 2010 @05:09PM (#32133202) Journal

    If this is counting Window's Users "donations" to Microsoft, McAfee ....

    Windows users already pay through the nose, so they don't have anything leftover to donate.

    • Windows users already pay through the nose, so they don't have anything leftover to donate.

      The economies of scale in building for a platform with a 90% market share are enormous.

      WalMart - the world's largest and most aggressive deep discount retailer - has never been able to significantly undercut the OEM Windows system on price or features.

      The naive user running MSE with automatic updates enabled was left unscathed by Cornflicker and Alureon.

    • by sartin ( 238198 )

      If this is counting Window's Users "donations" to Microsoft, McAfee ....

      That reasoning doesn't cover why Mac users are donating 40% more than Windows users (per TFA).

  • Not surprising... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by maugle ( 1369813 ) on Friday May 07, 2010 @05:09PM (#32133204)
    Linux has fewer games than Windows, so games would be more highly valued by Linux users than Windows users.
    • Re:Not surprising... (Score:5, Informative)

      by Jurily ( 900488 ) <jurily@g m a i l . com> on Friday May 07, 2010 @05:18PM (#32133262)

      The Windows donations still account for more than half.

      • Re:Not surprising... (Score:5, Interesting)

        by pushing-robot ( 1037830 ) on Friday May 07, 2010 @07:51PM (#32134080)

        Still, very nearly 50% of the money contributed is coming from OS X and Linux. Whether it's because those users are more affluent, more inclined to buy games, or just happy to support any development on their platform, the numbers show there's a substantial market to be tapped. Studies like this are exactly the thing marketing departments want to see.

        And it couldn't have come at a better time: Steam's imminent release on OS X and Linux is about to make cross-platform development substantially easier. While it's hardly the Year of Gaming Linux, it would be nice to remember 2010 as the year we started chipping away at Microsoft's PC gaming monopoly.

        • While it would be nice to conclude that Linux / Mac users are just nice people I don't think this is the only possible conclusion. I suspect many Linux users are a bit older (as in old enough to have a job) which leads to them having some money. Whereas your average kid with no money will tiyically have acces to the Family Computer running Windows.
        • The evidence for Steam on Linux is very thin, at best.

      • Re:Not surprising... (Score:4, Interesting)

        by dangitman ( 862676 ) on Friday May 07, 2010 @08:33PM (#32134550)

        And what's the Windows marketshare on the desktop? Probably at least 100 times that of Linux. So, if charity were equal, you'd expect Windows users to cover at least 85% of donations.

        That's not even counting people who buy while at work, on their office-supplied Windows machine, while intending to use the games on Mac or Linux. Or those who primarily use Linux or Mac, but dual-boot Windows to play games.

        • and how many in that market share play games?

        • Re:Not surprising... (Score:4, Informative)

          by RMingin ( 985478 ) on Friday May 07, 2010 @11:02PM (#32135800) Homepage

          Actually, as someone who actually BOUGHT the bundle in TFA, I'd like to make note that the OS reporting is voluntary, not linked to the OS running at purchase time, and done when you get the email, not when you're typing in your Paypal/CC info. I registered as Linux, as that's what I have on the most machines, and most care to use, but I probably spend most of my clock time on Windows, either at work (where Windows is mandated), or at home playing the ~50% of games I want to play that aren't available under Linux, or at least not cleanly/easily.

          I'm looking forward to this hypothetical Linux Steam client, as it'll let me do more of my gaming on my OS of choice.

          • Actually, as someone who actually BOUGHT the bundle in TFA, I'd like to make note that the OS reporting is voluntary, not linked to the OS running at purchase time, and done when you get the email, not when you're typing in your Paypal/CC info.

            That's interesting. I bought the bundle too, but after about three days, haven't clicked on the email link yet (I already bought most of those games anyway). Seeing as I never saw any "what platform do you use" option, I assumed those stats must have come from browser user-agent IDs.

            • The option to register your purchase as Windows, OS X and/or Linux is on the download page so if you haven't clicked the link yet it's not surprising you haven't seen it.
    • by spun ( 1352 ) <loverevolutionar ... m ['oo.' in gap]> on Friday May 07, 2010 @05:31PM (#32133310) Journal

      PC: And I'm a PC

      Linux: Whatcha doing, PC?

      PC: Playing games.

      Linux: Cool, which ones?

      PC: All of them.

      • by xlsior ( 524145 ) on Friday May 07, 2010 @05:43PM (#32133356) Homepage
        Or more typical:

        Mac: Hi, I'm a Mac

        PC: And I'm a PC

        Mac: Whatcha doing, PC?

        PC: Playing games.

        Mac: Cool, can I play too?

        PC: No.
      • by DNS-and-BIND ( 461968 ) on Friday May 07, 2010 @06:16PM (#32133512) Homepage
        Q: Why is starting a comment in the Subject: line incredibly rude?
        • Re: (Score:1, Offtopic)

          by spun ( 1352 )

          Your comment illustrates the problems with top posting, not starting the comment in the subject line. Which in this instance does not notably break the flow because everyone is already familiar with the flow of the commercials. While you could certainly critique starting the comment in the subject line, you'd have to find a different way to do it. But then again, all of us from the Usenet era know this quote, so we can follow your analogy, flawed as it is.

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by tepples ( 727027 )

            While you could certainly critique starting the comment in the subject line, you'd have to find a different way to do it.

            For one thing, it breaks the quote button.

        • I suppose that's true... if one has a 1 second attention span.
        • by TheVelvetFlamebait ( 986083 ) on Saturday May 08, 2010 @03:55AM (#32137056) Journal

          why is it rude?

      • Linux: Whatcha doing, PC?

        PC: Playing games.

        Xbox, PS3, Wii in chorus: LOL WUT?

        • Xbox, PS3, Wii in chorus: LOL WUT?

          they also say "roffle" out loud when they laugh, don't mind them, they're just a little retarded. Due to the structure of their brains, games are the only thing they can think of for more than five seconds. PS3 had a side gig for a while, but it was just too hard, and it interfered with playing games. Plus, it was never really very good at it anyway, due to having one hand tied behind its back.

    • I'm posting just to agree completely. I'm an Ubuntu user who doesn't dual-boot. I'd love to play some nice games. Everything else works nicely, but man I'd love to play some stuff without emulators that never seem to work anyway.

      To be fair, I haven't upgraded my computer in years, so maybe I should blame the victim a bit too...

    • by tonycheese ( 921278 ) on Friday May 07, 2010 @06:54PM (#32133694)

      Second theory: a much higher percentage of Windows users paid 1 cent for the games. Kids are less likely to have a more expensive Mac and Linux is much more likely to be installed on an adult's machine. (Might be a stupid theory, feel free to poke holes).
      Similarly, we can't forget that the total raised includes donations to EFF and some other charities. It would make sense to me that Linux users are more likely to donate to EFF?

      • I bought the games to encourage the development... I didn't donate as much as some probably, but don't play games much...
        • by Mista2 ( 1093071 )

          I paid a little more than the average as I downloaded the bundle for all OS's and intended ot install on 4 machines, 1 Windows, a Mac Mini and 2 Linux.

      • My random guess is because Windows users have a greater amount of games to choose from, they're less likely to consider donating alot of money to a single game making group.

    • Linux has fewer games than Windows, so games would be more highly valued by Linux users than Windows users.

      The Windows gamer also has choices like Gog.com. Classic MSDOS and Windows games. All genres. Ready to Run under Windows 7. $6 to $10. Bundles $10-$15.

      • Those DOS games mostly run fine under DOSBox, and if someone really wants to run them then FreeDOS runs fine under a VM and games that old are nothing to run on a recent machine. The really classic Windows games should do okay under Wine for the most part, as they're all under 9x or XP. Many of the older Windows games actually run better under Wine than on Windows 7 (unless you use XP mode, but that's virtualizing an OS again).

        • by Haeleth ( 414428 )

          Indeed, the "Windows" DOS games on Gog.com are pretty much all just bundles of the original DOS game plus a copy of DOSBox anyway. So they work exactly as well on Linux as on Windows; you just need to (apt-get|yum) install dosbox first.

          And I can vouch for many of the Windows games running fine in Wine. The Fallout games are perfect on Linux, for example.

          • It's interesting you mention the Fallout games. Does that include as far back as Fallout 1? I ask because Windows 7, no matter what compatibility settings I try, does not present proper colors for Fallout 1 without XP Mode.

  • Those who use windows have less money due to having to pay for geeksquad for cleaning the scumware and viruses off their computers or buying new ones. Which reminds me, my computer is passing that 20 minute boot up time, probably need to buy a new one...

    (...Kidding guys, don't flood me with suggestions)

    • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I've been using Windows since 3.11, and I've never used the Geek Squad or a similar service.

      If you're competent enough to properly maintain a Linux box, you're competent enough to keep a Windows machine clean.

      • Seriously (Score:3, Funny)

        by justinlee37 ( 993373 )

        I use Windows Vista and earlier today I got a virus while looking for porn torrents. The virus disabled taskmanager and the ability to run any other executables and flooded the screen with popups advertising fake virus software. It was easy enough to run HijackThis (after renaming it to iexplore.exe to fool the virus) to identify and delete the viral executable; I had the problem fixed in under 30 minutes.

        Windows isn't that bad when you actually know what you're doing. Problem is, most people don't. Do you

  • Bah. (Score:3, Informative)

    by LurkerXXX ( 667952 ) on Friday May 07, 2010 @05:12PM (#32133230)

    I bought world of Goo through Steam for my windows machine and paid more than the average Linux user contributes more for the whole indie bundle. When folks 'contribute' through different sources, these number don't mean much.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Your personal, single, anecdotal experince obviously completely shatters the average of 59955 sales. Really? Why do you think anyone would care about individual peak values. It's the total income that matters, nothing else, when selling software.

      • Your personal, single, anecdotal experince obviously completely shatters the average of 59955 sales.

        I don't see any mention of sales, much less a number, in TFA. They seem to be talking only about the "donation" part of it. Can you provide a reference for your claims?

        • http://www.wolfire.com/humble [wolfire.com] They keep a running tally of the number of sales on the front page... it's 61606 as I post.

          • Er, it says "number of contributions", not "number of sales".

            Also, that page is only for the bundle. GG...P point was that those games were already available for purchase on Windows separately for quite a while, and specifically via Steam, where indie games generally sell rather well - so a lot of people on Windows already own them and paid for them.

            What would be interesting is if they aggregated all Steam sales statistics from all the games in the bundle together with donations.

            • At the moment, we have about 53,500 donations -- far more than we expected! But where did they come from? Our breakdown for number of donations per platform is: 65% Windows, 21% Mac, and 14% Linux. However, when we look at the amount donated per platform, we see something different. Our breakdown for total donation size per platform is 52% Windows, 25% Mac, and 23% Linux.

              I think what we can infer is that the "sales" figure here is the "53,500 donations" figure, since all contributions in exchange for the bundle were chosen by the user. "Number of contributions" = "Number of sales" in this experiment. Maybe some windows users have already bought WoG on Steam...I myself downloaded it from 2dboy directly in their paywhatyouwant sale for both Windows and Linux. I also bought the Penumbra "trilogy" a while ago. But what the hell does that matter? The point of this news story is

      • You kind of missed the entire point about there being many means of contributing besides that one specific indie distributor. One VERY popular one is steam which is windows only. So stats provided only from that indie distributor don't reflect total contributions by a long shot. Do you really think I'm the only windows user who purchased it through Steam? Really? Seriously? Considering total income, rather than what was generated by that one indie distributor was my point. You missed the point by a m
    • by h4rr4r ( 612664 )

      And how much of that did the devs actually get?
      Who cares if retail gross is higher, if retail net is lower.

    • Think you're missing the point. Did you have a choice as to what you paid through Steam? Or was it a fixed price? Did your money go direct to the developers? The point of this story/price experiment/analysis is that when given the choice of what to pay, and knowing that their donations were going either direct to the developers, or to a charity, Linux & Mac users donate more than Windows users.
      • Think you're missing the point.

        No, I don't think I am.

        I also had the choice to buying the game cheaper elsewhere, with profits going to the developers. My decision was instead to buy through Steam. I like the Steam distribution model. I trust the Valve folks to Vet stuff more than some indie site, and Valve has a reputation of being decent with developers that want to use their distribution system.

        If you are weeding out users who have already bought the game earlier (and paid more when it was offe

  • by History's Coming To ( 1059484 ) on Friday May 07, 2010 @05:12PM (#32133232) Journal
    Perhaps because when you feel like you've already got a bargain (infinite value for money on average), you're happy to chuck a few quid in. And can I just say, what a nice, simple, well laid out and advert-realistic that website from TFA is? When we all so often get complete wastes of cycles and eyeballs, that's a really nice website, and we should say so as loudly as we complain about bad ones.
    • And can I just say, what a nice, simple, well laid out and advert-realistic that website from TFA is?

      It looks practically the same as all the other blog-type websites I've ever looked at.
      But then I use adblock and noscript. Kinda funny how those two can take some many crummy websites and not only remove all the suck, but actually make things look decent.

    • by sznupi ( 719324 ) on Friday May 07, 2010 @05:58PM (#32133420) Homepage

      I like this new world, new kind of culture (yes, the elders would yell "the world is falling down!" anyway), ideas - for which people will pay, if they are worth anything. It's perhaps related to how, apparently, heavy p2p users actually buy a lot of music...only it's not so often from the major labels anymore (but often with "useless" nice physical addons, quite common in indie world).

      Two different spheres, but in a way with converging ideas. Hey, RIAA would like us to believe that p2p users are thieves. And why would those hippie Linux users, wanting everything for free and loathing closed source software, pay more in this case?... (and when not being watched)

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by timmarhy ( 659436 )
        donation paying is really the ultimate free market. I think if more things were priced by how much people valued them rather then prices regulated by government and corporate monopolys we'd all be a lot better off.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Why would your typical windows user have heard of these people? Why would they donate?

    In short, why do I care?

  • ... from not buying Windows, antivirus software, an office suite, ...

    • Buying Windows? The trialware preinstalled on a typical home PC subsidizes that. (Otherwise, how would an Acer Aspire Revo with Windows cost as much as a retail box of Windows?) Buying Antivirus? You can use Avast on a home PC for $0. Office suite? Most people using one on a home PC* don't need Microsoft Access, so OOo will suffice.

      *If you work from home, Microsoft Office is a business expense that you can deduct if your boss doesn't already reimburse it.

  • by 4lex ( 648184 ) on Friday May 07, 2010 @05:28PM (#32133306) Homepage Journal

    I wondered, will people care enough to start making fake donations, i.e. pay 1c, then download the windows version, to make the other camp look bad?

    You've got to take these things with a grain of salt anyway. I know I only paid $10 for the bundle because I wasn't sure it was going to work at all on my oldish hardware. I'm likely to "buy" it again for a higher price as a thumbs-up once I give all games a good try and am convinced I like them.

  • Yawn (Score:2, Troll)

    by ledow ( 319597 )

    3 days in a row, three slashvertisements for this Humble/Indie Bundle... who's getting their percentage?

    • It's not an ad. It's a discussion of the indie game house's revenues. Sure it brings people to Wolfire's site, but if the company is providing useful contributions to the game business discussion, they deserve the attention.

      NOTE: A slashvertizement would be something like "Wolfire releases new game!"

    • EFF?

    • Just to make it clear. I'm not affiliated in any way (apart from having bought the Humble Bundle myself) with any of the developers or organizations involved. It's seldom enough that one gets insight into sales that I thought it might be of interest to some of the slashdot readers. oh .. and did you know? Apple released a tablet!
    • If you so chose the whole 100% of the donation for the bundle could go to Child's Play [childsplaycharity.org], a gamer-run charity that donates toys and games to children's wards in hospitals, or the EFF [eff.org], a non-profit digital civil-liberties group. That answers your question.
  • Unfortunately, two times zero is still zero... /jk, keep donating folks.

  • Macs are generally owned by people better off financially (PCs also have the better off folks in their market of course, but probably a much greater percentage of poorer folks than Macs), so that explains their position. Perhaps Windows and Linux both have a contingent of geeks who care, but Windows has far, far more non-geeks/non-gamers than Linux, and that's where the difference there comes in? (Or maybe it's from saving the hundreds of dollars on OS and other proprietary software, but a lot of that get
    • Macs are generally owned by people better off financially

      Not sure I agree with that statement. I see a lot of students sporting macs. These students live at home, don't have jobs (well, not one that is required to pay for a roof, food, utilities, etc) and still have their iphones and macs. Financial irresponsibility comes to mind as well.

      I know a few that have fulltime jobs, and get the latest revision of macs (at least one every two years) but still live at home because "the baby boomer generation has priced them out of the housing market" and they need to "s

  • After the purchase, I was asked which platforms I use. I ticked the Windows and Linux checkboxes.

    How does this get translated to the graphs? Do they count my donation twice, one for Windows and other for Linux?
  • My View (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    I'm from the Windows piece of the pie and I paid $10 which beats the Windows and Mac averages (if only by a little on Mac) ... the thing for me is though that I fit in a category of people that is uncountable by their statistics. That category being, well, someone who doesn't really want the games and never would have bought them for even $5 in a store as a bundle. Why did I do it you ask? Simply because I support developers such as these, people who realize that DRM is bad and that honest customers will pa

  • Seeing as (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Ubuntu has about twice the share of all other linux based desktops, combined, it would be nice to give it its own statistical category like mac. You don't just throw mac and 'linux' together as 'unix'. I'm tired of developers thinking they have to target multiple linux desktops with their coding and packaging. If you put out one single file, it should be a .deb.

  • Donate to what? What on earth are you people talking about? I'm so confused. Why would any clear thinking individual ever donate money to Microsoft? I even went and read TFA, and I STILL have no idea what we're donating to... Now maybe I've been living under a tech rock or something, but can we get some context please?
    • Somebody found an obscure and meaningless way to show Linux is better than Windows. The context is Slashdot where anything pro-Linux and anti-Windows is automatically "stuff that matters", even if it doesn't.

  • In a sense it's no so much regular donating (as in simply giving money for a good cause) as appreciating something which is given to you for free and paying an amount you see fit.

    For example I like to download free audio book episodes through www.podiobooks.com. They have a feature where you can donate money in relation to a specific show.
    The majority of that money goes to the author/creator of said show and the rest to the site which provides the service. That way you can give money to the people who decid

  • This was also seen (perhaps inspired by?) 2D Boy and World of Goo. The wrapup page is http://2dboy.com/page/4/ [2dboy.com]

Lend money to a bad debtor and he will hate you.