Duke Nukem Forever Multiplayer Mode Predictably Controversial 344
Gearbox Software has released some information about the multiplayer modes for Duke Nukem Forever, which is due out May 3rd (for real this time). In addition to standard deathmatch (called Dukematch), team deathmatch and a king-of-the-hill mode, there is "Capture the Babe," in which a typical CTF flag is replaced by a woman. Eurogamer explains it thus: "... when you grab the other team's babe, she sometimes 'freaks out.' The solution? Give her a gentle smack." Gearbox's Randy Pitchford, clearly understanding how politically incorrect this sounds, said, "You can get some things across in screenshots but not really. So we're kinda struggling with how we expose it so people understand what's there. The proof is in the pudding so to speak, so I don't want to talk about it too much."
Oh Duke... (Score:5, Funny)
When will you ever stop being awesome?
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When will you ever stop being awesome?
On April 1st, when Gearbox reveals it was all an elaborate April fool's Day joke.
the Mayans were right! (Score:5, Funny)
1. we got a coed-raping bond villain causing the downfall of half the governments in North Africa (remember him?)
2. the President of Egypt is forced out of office by mobs in the street enraged by #1
3. Charlie Sheen reveals himself as the Twelfth Imam to the world. He's also pyrokinetic and an indigo child. Probably sent from the future, too.
4. a record-breaking earthquake hits Japan
5. leading to a record breaking tsunami hitting Japan
6. leading to a record-breaking clusterfuck of a nuclear accident involving four reactors and numerous cooling ponds of radioactive waste -- in Japan.
7. Britain's having a royal wedding
8. Our Nobel Peace prize - winning President is bombing the shit out of Mohammar Ghadaffi in Libya, instigated, once again by J. Assange (see #1)
9. Oh yeah, whoever was in charge of Tunisia was chased out of office by Arab mobs (see #1)
10. And Yemen is following suit.
11. Don't forget open class warfare breaking out in Wisconsin as the Governor there gives those greedy teachers what they got comin' to them. Next up, firefighters and police...
So, by my estimate, we're right on schedule for release of DNF.
Capture the ... mod (Score:5, Funny)
Megatokyo style [megatokyo.com]
Capture the Babe... (Score:3)
Reminds me of a quote from Sean Connery from his James Bond days..."Sometimes...you just have to hit a woman."
Personally...I think you should have to find a roll of duct tape to be able to take with you. That way...when you get her...you can duct tape her hands/feet together and put a strip across her mouth. Takes care of her fighting and keeps her quiet. What more can a man ask for...a submissive woman who can't gripe at you.;)
When the game was originally scheduled... (Score:2)
It was "capture the baby" ;-)
Wait, What? (Score:2)
Re:Wait, What? (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, I mean misogyny in a Duke Nukem game, I can believe, but do you really expect me to believe that DNF is going to ship!?!
What, no co-op? (Score:3, Insightful)
One of the best parts of Duke3d (along with many other classic FPSes) was the cooperative play mode. Leaving it out is bullshit; some people actually like to play these games with friends instead of against them.
The Duke ain't PC (Score:5, Insightful)
He's not politically correct. He's in fact not correct at all.
Dammit, it's a friggin' GAME! OK? It's a GAME! Treat it as such. We're talking about a steroid-pumped, bubblegum-chewing, over-the-top cliché pseudo-hero. I wouldn't say it's suitable for 10 year olds (or other people of similar feeble intellect that could take a computer game serious like, say, certain politicians or a certain ex-lawyer we all love so much), but why should you have to apologize as a computer game company for making a corny game?
Re:The Duke ain't PC (Score:5, Informative)
You forgot: "... who likes punching aliens in the balls."
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Who doesn't?
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So we can look, forward to DNF being rated RC and becoming DN Never in Australia.
Fucking fascist government.
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Like it's ever stopped us getting games before. Anyway, we should be putting that behind us real soon now [r18games.com.au].
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It's like how people don't understand parody and satire. I just watch and laugh sometimes at how some people are so upset when comedy is made about race, religion, gender etc.
Yes, people get hurt when you say the wrong thing, but people also need to learn to chill, take a step back and laugh at themselves once in a while.
Re:The Duke ain't PC (Score:4, Insightful)
I would mod you up (I will probably get modded down (s'alright I have tons of karma) as what you say has a large grain of truth. Also regarding what the GP said, usually the people who say others need to lighten up have never been on the butt end of the joke and usually are part of the demographic majority who get a tad offended/feel persecuted when society tries to balance out the rights they have always had that other minorities have not i.e religious rights, same-sex marriage, etc.
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Heh. I thought Duke was juvenile when I *was* a teenager (OMG having a Voodoo was like night and day in Quake!), but it was silly and over the top and an excuse to blow up some aliens.
I'll still tell you to lighten up, because everyone is too PC about everything. Noone has a right not to be offended.
I'm kind of a strange beast politically though -- I'm pro choice (but oddly, anti-abortion -- it is a moral decision and should be placed in the hands of the individual woman, not the state; but that doesn't m
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Oh, and how exactly can you classify a game as bad satire IF IT'S NOT AVAILABLE YET?
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Because this isn't the easy-going days of gaming (as in the 90's). Nowadays, people for some reason want to be offended just so they can get their 2 minutes of Internet fame as they're quoted in multiple sites. Bonus points if they're behind some shitty "family" organization or group who loves the publicity.
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Afaict the way to get arround this is to keep a seperate brand for your "adult" games push that as the brand for your adult games. So when people think of "the company behind GTA" they think "rockstar games" not "take 2 interactive".
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That's the WWIC trend, or "Why Wasn't I Consulted?", where everyone thinks they should have a say in everything. For instance, slashdot. But at least we're smart enough to know we're just bitching and we don't expect the world to change for us.
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Because idiot parents will buy this for their 10 year old, and they will promptly "attitude adjust" a girl in their class.
The amount of children that view/play violent media is likely staggeringly high. How many of them are actually insane enough actually imitate the violence and try it on others? Most of them know that it's fiction. Most of them know that they do not wish to hurt others simply because they saw it done in a work of fiction. The most any studies have been able to 'prove' is that violent media can be linked to temporary violent thoughts that almost never amount to anything (not even in children). If some abysmal
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How many of them are actually insane enough actually imitate the violence and try it on others?
One. Then, Fox News will get hold of the story, and it'll be the second coming of Pol Pot. Don't pretend it won't happen.
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I see. Yes, they do tend to exaggerate things greatly. That, however, does not warrant people banning/censoring things for specific groups of people (children in this case) just to appease these imbeciles.
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Yes, the Bobo Doll experiment. That's why games like Grand Theft Auto and Duke Nukem are inappropriate for that age group...THREE to SIX year-olds. But at the next stage of early childhood development, children learn not to beat up the Bobo doll. A pre- or early teen has a far more developed sense of right and wrong than a three year old.
As for pro wrestling and jackass, well, those guys are funny and I, as a 42 year old, would never try any of that stupid shit. That's why it's funny...because they are so s
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You do realize that observing a real violent act, watching Pro Wrestling and watching Jackass all are completely different from playing a game where the violence is fictional?
In the Bobo Doll experiment the child saw an authority figure perform an action that seemed fun. He rightly assumed that if the authority figure was allowed to do that, he was allowed to and thus imitated the act. Anyone who didn't expect him to hit the doll after watching the adult do it would have been an idiot. A game is not an auth
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I'm one of those idiot parents. My kid knows far more evil from television and media OTHER than video games. This won't even measure on his radar. He's terrified of girls because, wait for it...he's an awkward 11 year-old. Some stupid video game isn't going to change that.
Re:The Duke ain't PC (Score:5, Insightful)
I wouldn't say it's suitable for 10 year olds
Really? I would. In order for these ten year olds to believe that a game is actually reality, they would likely have to be already insane and would have to have terrible parents who do nothing but censor everything instead of educating them about things. Really, the chances of someone (even a child) believing this game is reality are slim to none, I believe. The chances of this actually hurting someone are likely even slimmer. The temporary violent thoughts that some studies correlated to violent media almost never amount to anything.
I'd say it's suitable for anything unless the person is insane and/or has terrible parents.
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Why do you say that? Is education not possible? Are children not able to tell the difference? I certainly could. Even if they can't (which is a very small minority of people), that is where the parent comes in. They do not need to ban the violent media. They merely need to tell the child that it is not real. If a parent does not have the time to do that, they should not be parents at all.
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My kids (14, 11) play Call of Duty non-stop. Based on the other voices in the multiplayer games, I would guess probably the majority of players at any given time are school aged. My kids know it's a game (a fun one at that because you get to shoot people, and when you die, you come back to life...things that aren't possible in real life, thus part of the fun).
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Yes, because all kids fit your perfect age span for expected behavior. My kid is 11 and a boy. He is more mature than his 14 year old brother, at times. Your arbitrary age ratings (and the completely arbitrary ratings of games and movies in general) are stupid, pointless, and miss the mark completely when it comes to parenting children.
Only stupid people (regardless of age) think they can pull off a double front wheel flip. There's a built in filter for stupid behavior like that called "fear" and "pain".
And
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Some? From the looks of it, a grand majority of them can handle it. That's why most of them aren't violent.
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Not "politically" correct, but he is "naturally" correct.
Just look around. We have a mixed up world with mixed up messages. Women want "equality" but they also want the "better treatment" which they believe they deserve by virtue of their gender.
To be clear, men "harass" one another all the freaking time (sexual or otherwise) and we do worse than that. The problems I could list would go on for a long time so I won't unless prompted to do so. But I will say that "feminism" is sexism for women. So when pe
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It's perfectly legal for macho guy to try and capture babes. I see it every weekend at the bars and clubs.
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How about a new Redneck Rampage game with a multiplayer game mode 'Capture the Nigger'.
I would actually find that particularly hilarious if done with the same satirical "yea, we know this is over the top" bent that Duke Nukem has. :)
(Disclaimer: I'm from the Middle East) (Score:2)
I wonder how much they would make by launching DNF in Arab League states.
Here we go again (Score:5, Insightful)
So why is beating and killing prostitutes in GTA ok, but this some kind of travesty?
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Re:Here we go again (Score:5, Insightful)
As for me, I couldn't care less about the DKF multiplayer "controversy". It seems inconsistent to only get upset about hitting a woman/carrying her as a flag when the game is about killing people.
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Small clarification; The game is about killing aliens, not people.
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I hope you are joking.
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It probably isn't, but at least in GTA you're clearly a bad guy. In DNF, however, you're supposed to be the good guys - except you're a good guy who who kidnaps women and then beats them when they object, like they're just property to be fought over and won and their own wishes doesn't matter. Even that wouldn't be quite so bad if it wasn't for the fact that this particular attitude to women has a long and unpleasant history, not to mention an awful lot of power.
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Because you get your money back by killing the prostitute, duh.
Equally Smackable (Score:5, Insightful)
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No in that case people would be protesting, saying that Duke should not be gay. Please! You make no sense, you can't use a theoretical situation to make a point in a very specific situation.
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The first half of your statement is correct. The second half is not. The only people who would complain about not getting to hit a woman are some kids on 4chan and a few video game hipsters on kotaku.
The reason no one says anything about a guy getting smacked, beyond those who complain about anyone getting hit, is that their isn't a culture of acceptance and normalization around violence( and objectification) against men the way there is towards women.
This culture exists regardless of the number of men who
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The reason no one says anything about a guy getting smacked, beyond those who complain about anyone getting hit, is that their isn't a culture of acceptance and normalization around violence( and objectification) against men the way there is towards women.
Am I the only one that spotted the slight, eensy-weensy contradiction in that sentence? If "no one says anything about a guy getting smacked", that's very much a culture of acceptance and normalization of violence against men. Y'know, the one you were saying didn't exist as justification for continuing to accept and normalize violence against men.
This is so wrong on so many levels... (Score:2, Insightful)
It's a game where you run around kill everyone - perfectly acceptable
Hit someone - How disgusting (pure double standards)
But the really really wrong bit, It is such a cheap publicity stunt. All BS and the offending bit will be removed when the story hits the mass media.
I think... (Score:3)
...that movies like Blazing Saddles need to become mandatory viewing. People as a collective need to lighten the fuck up, and learn to laugh a bit.
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Taggart: Well, that's where we go a-ridin' into town, a-whompin' and a-whumpin' every livin' thing that moves within an inch of its life. Except the women folks, of course.
Hedley Lamarr: You spare the women?
Taggart: Naw, we rape the shit out of them at the Number Six Dance later on.
Hedley Lamarr: Marvelous!
reason to buy (Score:3)
In this time and age of Political Correctness Ãoeber Alles, I am glad that some creative people still enjoy ruffling some feathers. That used to be common in arts, does anyone remember? Today, few artists dare upset the cocktail-drinking ladies in the galleries.
It wouldn't be Duke without stuff like this.
More hype... (Score:2)
sounds like Science and Industry (Score:2)
Valve time... (Score:3, Insightful)
most people understand hitting a woman is wrong (Score:2)
many don't
society is sick of sending cops to domestic violence scenes. therefore, society won't let troglodytes have games where there is violence against women. not because there is a definite connection, but simply because its insulting to all that society is working towards in terms of less violence towards women
so sorry assholes, deal with it, but your gaming needs, on a scale of importance of 1 to 10, ranks at zero, compared with some other agendas in the world, namely, less violence towards women and
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many don't
Some don't hold this same opinion, you mean. That's too bad. Also, these same people likely don't feel this way because of games (and, if they did, they would likely be deemed even more 'insane' by society). A few people should not be able to ruin something for the rest. Otherwise, nearly everything would be banned (cars, guns, knifes, etc).
but simply because its insulting to all that society is working towards in terms of less violence towards women
How is it insulting if nothing becomes of it? That sounds illogical to me.
on a scale of importance of 1 to 10, ranks at zero
I was not aware that you could decide how important something is to someone else (or, in this
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i can't
society and majority opinion can
and we've found less violence towards women to be a lofty goal, and we've found smacking women in videogames to be against that goal, so we're going to deny it
deal with it, "tough guy"
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Many people who "don't hit girls" have no issue using their size and strength to coerce, intimidate, and control women.
It's okay though, "they don't hit girls"
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Hitting *anyone* is wrong, be them male or female. Giving women special status in this regard makes no sense in a day and age where we are striving towards equality of the sexes.
Of course many will argue that it is especially wrong because men tend to be bigger and stronger than women. But that is more of an argument for "picking on someone your own size", and doesn't always apply to just men hitting women.
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of course women hit men. however, men do most of the hitting, and way more of those hits wind up putting someone in the hospital or morgue. thus, it is entirely logical to focus on the wrongness of men hitting women
but the funny part is, you apparently want to be politically correct about women and men hitting each other... commenting under a story which is all about championing very un-pc videogame content
so if you are so concerned with political correctness, you want this women slapping content removed, r
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Once you realize the difference between reality and make-believe, I believe you'll find that the irony disappears.
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once you understand that society doesn't like men hitting women, i believe you'll find that you have a problem where you think there is none
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Oh, I see. You got that I'm fine with men hitting women from the statement you imagined I made. The one that wasn't there. You really need to work on that whole reality versus make-believe thing. :P
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i understand the difference. i hope you understand that whether real, or just depicted in media, society has a problem with a man hitting a woman
that's not even to say that you can't hit women in media, ever. for example, you could have a man hit a woman in a story, and that man eventually gets a comeuppance for his bad behavior. that's ok, it shows that society does not approve
but what's not ok, according to society, not just me (and no i'm not a spokesman, i'm just interpreting the brain dead obvious abou
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As far as domestic violence is concerned, 30% of it is woman on man violence, and women are twice as likely to use a weapon. Violence isn't something that men do to women and children, it is something that people do to people.
Most people understand mass destruction is wrong (Score:2)
The few people who think it's okay because it's in a video game shouldn't be playing video games. That goes for any of the killing, mass chaos, and generally bad behavior that just about any video game is going to include, including misogynistic behavior like this.
The rest of us can differentiate between video games and reality, and we don't need to have our games sanitized. Halo would suck if we all made friends and had tea parties.
Perhaps a reason to go Windows a little (Score:2)
I have been Linux only for a very long time. I have Windows (in a VM) at work and a little Mac at home... I think it's time I did a little BootCamping on my Mac Mini so I can do this game.
I have an XBox360... two actually and so I might get this game there too. I can hardly wait. I haven't been interested in gaming for a long time, but there's enough nostalgia in this game that I think I will really enjoy it.
(I hope they actually port the old maps into this game as added content... I really loved the old
The most controversial bit is ignored. (Score:4, Interesting)
Everyone so far seems to be ignoring the most controversial bit in the multiplayer announcement.
In 2011, Duke Nukem Forever only supports eight-player multiplayer. EIGHT PLAYER multiplayer.
What does Gearbox think this is, the 90s?
Just one thing... (Score:2)
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The game is already done. All that needs to be done now is getting it "Gold," which means printed, discs pressed, etc.
So to answer your question, yes, they will stop wasting their lives on such a cliche project.
Re:Well they could take that out... (Score:5, Interesting)
if you're gonna complain about cliches, at least focus on the present. duke is the exception, not the norm these days. what's wrong with a bit of male-archetype cliche? there's tons of 'girl power' moments in the media, making them a cliche stereotype in their own right. hell there are whole shows devoted to showing women in power, running everything, while the males are either kiss-up-captain-save-a-hos, criminals, or, some kind of sex abusers. oh right, I forgot, according to the feminist, male assertion of any kind = 'misogyny', but when females do it to males, it's 'empowerment.' I'm wonderin if the relatively recent intolerance towards the duke character has more to do with increasing gynocentricity and less to do with the drama surrounding the game's development. I say this because in the last few years I've noticed a lot of 'male chauvinist' critiques as a reason to diss the game. sure, they've always been there, even back in the 90s, but today, it seems like the most common complaint. Everyone knows there are far more pertinent attributes that can make a game suck.
The duke aint' PC.. that's what makes him cool. characters like this are the vaccine to the real-damage that the PC-shielding of ideology can do to society. it prevents critique of any kind out of "respect for others' feelings." I'm sure I"ll be modded down into oblivion for even suggesting this. oh well.
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Hell, half the fun of Duke Nukem is that it's making fun of so many non-PC cliches it's always one step short of achieving critical mass.
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If women had the same status in society - the same pay, same chances of being attacked, the same future prospects, and the same level of domestic abuse that men have - you'd have a point. As it currently stands, it's far worse (in the terms stated above) to be a woman than a man, so it's not really unexpected for people to cry foul when someone does something that seems to suggest that imbalance is somehow acceptable. Pushed to more extreme positions, your argument carries the same logical weight that arg
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Also, every job I've ever had in my entire life, the boss has been a woman. CEO is irrelevant - there's a lot more bias there than just gender. The person in the corner office has been a woman in every company I've ever worked for without exception.
Re:Well they could take that out... (Score:5, Interesting)
Women under the age of 30 in urban centers make more money than men. [time.com] More women today are graduating with college degrees than men. This has been happening for years. [nytimes.com]
Basically, in places where the average man doesn't burn out his body working on a farm or in construction, women are making more money than men.
The feminist movement is over. They won. Women are now equal or superior to men.
It is time to end Title IX. It is time to bring education standards back up so that we can make sure little Johnny gets the same education little Suzie does.
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Why would anyone want a sequel to that?
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The same people who pay to be beaten with a whip?
Because it's fun? (Score:2)
Borderlands was flawed (lame level scaling, inactive NPCs, weak story, etc) but it was fun as hell. I'd love to see a Borderlands 2 fixing those flaws but keeping the cool design and graphics, the quirky humor, the bazillion guns, and so on.
Like any game, it's not for everyone. But, Borderlands was awesome and you suck for not thinking so. :p ;)
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Wait, which MMORPG are you talking about again?
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I second this. Borderlands wasn't a great game, but it was fun. It had many flaws, but it showed that this team has some potential. I at least hope that Borderlands 2 could
With a sequel, I think it's completely possible that they could drop the ball and make a game that is pure rubbish... but I think there is at least a chance that they could polish their formula and make yet another amusing game.
It also made enough of an impression on me that it made me think that these guys might be the right guys to
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It made a lot of peoples Best of 2009 list, including mine. It wasn't made to appeal to the hardcore FPS crowd, it was made to appeal to a more general audience and a cross over hack 'n' slash rpg audience and it did a great job of it. Borderlands 2 is definitely sitting on the top of my most wanted list, right next to Diablo III.
Fat Princess (Score:3)
Downloadable capture-the-babe game for PS3. If you haven't played Fat Princess, you're missing out.
Re:Cannot believe (Score:4, Funny)
Postal 2, I believe it was called "Capture the Snitch" or something like that,
Really? Cuz "Capture the Snatch" sounds a lot more interesting.
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BattleTanks! (Score:3)
BattleTanks is the game/series you're thinking of. (They did at least 2, I played the 2nd one long ago when the console was still current, found a copy of the first one later when I bought an N64 on a nostalgia kick)
BattleTanx (Score:2)
BattleTanx, actually. Not nitpicking, just want to make it a bit easier on anyone who wants to Google it.
We used to play the second one, Global Assault, quite a bit. Great friggin' game. Desperately needs a current-gen sequel. Not sure who owns the rights since the 3DO bankruptcy.
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All violence is wrong. Not all men are tough like Duke, some are quite the opposite and aren't aggressive at all.
Your comment bothers me. Most people agree that violence against women is wrong. Those who don't will never change their mind.
But few people are even aware that thousands of men every day are abused by women. Lots of men are also bullied by other men, it happens in high schools, at work, in bars, at home... Games like Duke Nukem are 90% made of violence against males, reinforcing the stereotype t
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Most people agree that violence against women is wrong.
No, most people agree that violence against INNOCENT women is wrong (men too, for that matter). Cops beat down drunken, crazy women all the time. Soldiers shoot them if they're carrying a rifle or bomb. And if one of them is coming at you with a knife, I'm pretty sure you're not going to give her flowers.
You *DO* support women's equality, right? Because you sure sound like a sexist to me.
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Women are an item to be hoarded and, if necessary, beaten into submission.
Soldiers are an item to be hoarded and, if necessary, beaten into submission.
Of course, the first thing you must do to wage war is to dehumanise the enemy soldier in the eyes of your own soldiers. Then you make up for it by treating enemy non-combatants, cooperative or otherwise, with some faux reverence. It's been a thoroughly successful manipulation.
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I don't think it needs publicity at this point.. If someone play games and don't know what DNF is, you can collect his game card :)
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Yes. They made jokes about rape. Why should anyone care? As far as I know, only the people deemed 'insane' by society would be affected by such jokes so much that they would view rape as more 'okay' because of them. As far as I know, no one really believes that rape is okay just because someone (or themselves) make a few jokes about it. Many people murder others in video games for their own entertainment. Does this mean that if they murdered someone in real life they would feel the same way? Most likely not
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