Want To Record Xbox One Gameplay? Get Ready To Pay 203
First time accepted submitter tocsy writes "Microsoft has seemingly not learned from their previous PR fiasco. According to the official site, some features as basic as recording and sharing gameplay videos will require a $60/year Xbox Live Gold account. PS4 owners will of course also have to pay for some online services, but recording and streaming will not be exclusive to Plus subscribers."
It's called a capture card... (Score:2)
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In Xbox Live Gold
the Gold is what you have to give them, not to be confused with some pseudo-status.
'and for Xbox Live Double Platinum we'll give them regular updates to the software used for paying us!'
Re: It's called a capture card... (Score:2)
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Yes I notice nobody seems to be talking about this.
But who'd have thunk it eh?
Services in exchange for money.
That's a new one on me...
Is there a component out? (Score:2)
GameDVR is a new in-game feature. They're not removing or restricting old functionality, afaik.
If there's no RGB or YPbPr component output on a console, then they're removing functionality. Do the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One have component out, or are they HDMI-only like the OUYA?
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even fucking ouya has hdcp.
the membership fee is a big downer. my classic xbox cost me less than the fees for 3 years.
and no I don't really see what I'm getting for the money, I'm getting everything the membership gives for free on my pc connected to my tv. I don't need to pay MS extra for accessing netflix. I don't need to pay MS for hosting net games. I don't need to pay MS for playing multiplayer games online. I'm even using MS os on that pc connected to the tv!
you know what was the biggest bullshit abou
Re: It's called a capture card... (Score:2, Informative)
"you know what was the biggest bullshit about live gold? games like halo4. want to go online with a friend, splitscreen? well fuck you BOTH need to pay for live gold!"
What?? Are you being serious? That's not true, you can have friends sign into your Xbox with the Guest Live account and play multiplayer on the same Xbox with just one account.
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there is no HDCP on the HDMI out on the xbone for gameplay.
http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-15728-Xbox-One-s-Gameplay-Recording-Facility-Won-t-Use-HDCP.html
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They're not all bad. Ouya is pretty fun. For less than the price of a next gen console alone, I've purchased the unit, 2 controllers (plus you can use PS3 controllers,or even your phone as a controller on some games) and a dozen different games. Plus it works as a Plex box if you don't have a Roku. The whole experience has been immensely entertaining. caveat : a lot of the enjoyment comes from sitting on the couch playing Multiplayer games with old friends.
In the longer term, Steambox has the potentia
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Boy, that exciting and compelling Ouya game library!
OUYA uses HDCP (Score:2)
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I'll bite. I run Steam on Windows and OSX, my Windows client lists 257 games. The same library on OSX amass 167 games, and 83 on Linux.
Yeah, Linux compatibility is a fraction of Windows Steam titles, but not that low.
Re:Either way. (Score:5, Informative)
Yeah, Linux compatibility is a fraction of Windows Steam titles...
As an utter jackass, I feel compelled to point out that every rational number, even those greater than one, are fractions.
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Actually, any real number (not just the rationals) is a fraction. For example, pi/4 is a fraction (one fourth of pi).
For that matter, any complex number is also a fraction.
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You missed the first definition, and all of the wit:
1. A numerical quantity that is not a whole number
Or, you could consider that the default dictionary is simply wrong. Improper fractions representing whole numbers are still fractions, and that limited scope doesn't even cover all of the fields that use the word "fraction". Try this one [thefreedictionary.com] instead. It's a more complete set of definitions, but it does lack that particular insulting quality that you seem to hold so dear.
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Try this one [thefreedictionary.com] instead. It's a more complete set of definitions, but it does lack that particular insulting quality that you seem to hold so dear.
From your link:
1 - 3. A small part; a bit: moved a fraction of a step.
2 - 3. a small piece; fragment
3 - 3. a part of a whole: Only a fraction of the members were present.
3 - 4. a small part or segment: only a fraction of the cost.
So, it seems you need the following link:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+do+dictionaries+work%3F [lmgtfy.com]
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2 is an excellent fraction of 3 and, indeed, of many other fine numbers. :)
pi is an irrational number, 2 is rational.
Both fractions, only 2 can be represented as a perfect fraction.
I *think* pi can only be represented as a vulgar fraction.
A-level maths, however, was a very long time ago...
Re:Either way. (Score:5, Informative)
Sarten-X is 100% correct — and his original post was hilarious in my opinion. Fractions do not need to be less than 1 (or greater than -1, for that matter). Common English definitions are irrelevant here; this is a mathematical definition.
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I think Valve should work with WINE/Cedega/etc. to built a Windows emulation engine into Steam so that most Windows games will work out of the box on OS X and Linux. Sure, this might discourage native ports, but having a much bigger library available would certainly benefit the platform.
Hell, Valve themselves built an Direct X -> Open GL API layer to get their own games working on OS X and Linux, so they know what they're doing in this regard. And since the games would be sold through Steam, developers w
Good luck with that (Score:2)
HDCP is broken. How do they expect to prevent people from dumping the digital video stream?
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Re:Good luck with that (Score:5, Informative)
Got a few hundred? This is all you need [hdfury.com].
Or if the console supports component video out, problem solved.
The 360 didn't put HDCP on the HDMI. The PS3 did, so all the capture cards today tell you to use component in for the PS3.
Re:Good luck with that (Score:5, Insightful)
why would i buy this compared to paying for 5 years of x box live?
some of you people are crazy. spend lots of money to bypass some feature that costs less than the workaround
Re:Good luck with that (Score:5, Interesting)
some of you people are crazy. spend lots of money to bypass some feature that costs less than the workaround
Lots of people will do things that are against their immediate economic interests to bring social pressures to bear on those who are behaving badly towards the community. It's called spite [freakonomics.com].
Re: Good luck with that (Score:4, Insightful)
It's called upselling
Red hat and all the open source companies do it as well. And google
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some of you people are crazy. spend lots of money to bypass some feature that costs less than the workaround
Yea, but they get to hand money over to a different corporation. So, you know, like, totally different, man.
Fight the power!
Re:Good luck with that (Score:4, Interesting)
there are $30 chinese hdmi splitters/switches that also strip hdcp, but dont advertise it
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Re: Good luck with that (Score:4, Insightful)
I always thought the main point of HDCP was to prevent precious Hollywood movies leaking out of DVD land and on to Torrent. It only takes one determined hacker to render that purpose useless, even if you have (bonus!) managed to make millions of innocent users' lives more difficult in the process.
But then that's the DRM story all over, isn't it.
Sony should hire the XBox PR dept (Score:5, Funny)
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I'm not paying for the gold account, if I get an Xbox One (probably, due to circumstances too boring to describe). Didn't get one for the Xbox 360 either. Apparently about half of 360 users have gold accounts, which implies about half are like me, and don't.
People had offline-only consoles for a long time before the Dreamcast was the first (?) to have an online mode, and pretty much failed. That market hasn't disappeared, even though some people have transferred allegiance to online-only play once it bec
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People had offline-only consoles for a long time before the Dreamcast was the first (?) to have an online mode, and pretty much failed.
Point of Clarification: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBAND [wikipedia.org]
Yea, it sucked pretty hard, too.
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Why cant i record on my Xbox offline and transfer the resultant file to a PC that can upload for FREE? It amazes me how people dismiss perfectly viable and non-burdensome ways of doing things because its not stupid dead simple.
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"Why cant i record on my Xbox offline and transfer the resultant file to a PC that can upload for FREE?"
Because Bing wouldn't know how to find it, duh. :)
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Why cant i record on my Xbox offline and transfer the resultant file to a PC that can upload for FREE?
Because I figure that most people aren't willing to learn how to install a PCI Express capture card in a desktop PC or buy a PCI Express to ExpressCard adapter for a laptop PC.
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No, it's because Microsoft decided that this feature, which is implemented on the system already, would only upload through Live Gold.
Also, consoles enforce HDCP. Which is annoying.
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I have a 360 and it's offline only. I have no interest in online multiplayer games or anything else that a paid account offers. Coop split screen is okay, if the screen is big enough, but that's it.
YAAAWN (Score:3)
So what. Recording gameplay has always been easy enough for those who want to do it, and irrelevant for those that don't. The ability to record from the console itself is just another gimmick.
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You give Microsoft too much credit.
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it may be a gimmick but it is a gimmick with value. Prices for a capture card range from 25$ to 150$ on Amazon.
Only once.
Money. (Score:2)
Disgusting how passive people are... (Score:3)
... the reason all this nonsense is happening is because the game industry has seen the sick money from World of warcraft and F2P's and they want in on the action. Nintendo shutting down video's of people playing games and commenting them on youtube. The vast gaming masses are dumb stupid, passive, tech illiterate sheep. Gaming is suffering because of market expansion (aka appealing to the lowest common denominator).
The worst part about it is the kids and adults who defend this crap.
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It really is far more simple than that. New games have to compete for gamers time with old games. There are just so many old games out there that is really has slowed down the purchase of new games because a gamer when they have the time to sit down and play a game can just pick up one the ones they already own.
So in the greed obsessed fashion of the typical psychopath, modern gaming corporations are trying to come up with ways for charging gamers to pay to play for game they already own. Things like ban
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I really don't understand console buyers, you pay through the nose for every game you buy, in one year your typical console gamer could pay for a gaming PC in licence fee charges on games, why?
Local multiplayer. Computers suck at it. Of course, if you never get together with one or more friends to play games you might not have any use for that.
Nothing to see here (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Nothing to see here (Score:4, Insightful)
I'd mod you up if I could.
Xbox Live Gold is required for everything except downloading patches. It sounds like a fanboi who really knows nothing about the Xbox is proving his ignorance/making an ass of himeself.
There's nothing new here; the Xbox Live Gold has been a thing since the original Xbox.
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Microsoft isn't competing with the original Xbox, it's competing with the PS4. Times change. People started to think Gold wasn't such a good deal when the video apps launched and you had to buy a subscription to access video streaming services you were already paying for; it has gone downhill from there.
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The people I know who supported the PS3 over the Xbox 360 because they didn't like that you had to 'pay for online' all played online. The PS4 is going to require people to pay to play on-line, so lets assume that the PS4 doesn't require you to pay to use Netflix etc; Anyone who wants to play online
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You're right. Times do change. And now the PS4 is requiring PS+ for all online features exactly the way MS requires Xbox Live Gold for online features.
Re:Nothing to see here (Score:5, Funny)
except of course stirring up some more MS / Xbox One hate
What site did you think you were on?
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Yes, it is news. They're deliberately screwing their customers with no good reason for it, and their main competitors are not forcing this requirement. It's the same with Netflix - MS requires you to pay them to access your paid Netflix subscription, ridiculous.
Not just recording gameplay (Score:5, Informative)
The main difference I see in PS+ and Xbox Live Gold is that PS+ is per PS3/PS4 where Xbox Live Gold is per account. For those of us with families, that is a substantial difference. Both of my kids and myself would be able to play under the single PS+ account for $50, where for XBL Gold each of us would require our own account, bringing the total to $180.
Re:Not just recording gameplay (Score:5, Informative)
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Just $100 per year to use the online features of a console which, until recently, was never meant to go offline. By grabthar's hammer, what a savings.
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False, PS+ is for all consoles the user has registered to PSN. There is a maximum of 2 PS3 and 2 Vitas (I don't remember if Vitas and PSP count in the same two). I have not read about how many PS4 will be allowed or if they will be grouped with the PS3 but Sony explicitly said that anyone can access the PS+ multiplayer on PS4 on those registered devices
Re:Not just recording gameplay (Score:4, Informative)
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So? (Score:2)
Unless you like showing everyone how 1337 your Single Player gaming skills are, most likely you're going to have an Xbox Gold Account anyway.
As for the other things tied to Xbox live, if all you want to do is watch Netflix on your Xbox, your better off getting yourself a Google TV and sit on the $400 you saved by buying it, or even a Chromecast and use the $65 to buy some movies to stream.
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Implying playing a PC requires any skill with all these mice and keyboards, huge screens, comfortable surroundings. If you want to see skill go to your local warzone or failing that paintball arena.
Why do you think they have two feet? (Score:2)
Worked in this generation (Score:2)
So? (Score:2)
Want to record SNES gameplay? Too bad, that isn't a thing you can do. Not in the console hardware, anyway. Seems pretty clear that recording gameplay is an addon functionality to a game console, not part of the core functionality. It seems pretty reasonable that you might be asked to pay extra for extra functionality if you wanted it. (As opposed to "play the single-player games you already purchased without needing an internet connection", for instance, which seems like a far more core functionality.)
Of co
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HDCP (Score:2)
Of course, nothing stopped you from mounting a video recorder next to your tv to record SNES gameplay
Other than that my Philips DVD recorder loses sync to the Super NES's nonstandard video signal for some reason. It records my NES's equally nonstandard signal just fine; go figure.
and nothing would presumably be stopping you from doing the same thing now, either.
Except perhaps HDCP on the HDMI output.
Microsoft? No MBASoft (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not saying they shouldn't make a profit but that they often don't match the weight of the pros and cons of each decision. For example. How hard do you have to push a faithful XBox 360 user to switch to the PS4 instead of buying the new XBox? Or like XP might many Xbox users stick with the 360 instead of going to XBox Vista? Then when they start trying to poison the 360 well the users might switch to the PS4. Even more complicated is that many people might be getting their gaming from their mobile devices. Would people abandon the console for a mobile device. These are all very hard questions to quantify and thus properly spreadsheet. So the MBAs argue that action X will annoy 1% of users while adding 10% to revenue. The 10% is probably close. The 1% is just a wacky guess.
Re:Microsoft? No MBASoft (Score:4, Insightful)
Would people abandon the console for a mobile device
But this is so much more true. The 'gaming console' era is nearing the end of it's teather. People are sick of the pump and dump shoot by wire FPS rubbish which has been churned out for the last 10 years. Couple this with mobile gaming devices that are powerful enough and full of fun (if not graphtastic) cheap games using effective intuitive controls along with simple effective PC gaming that moves SSSOOOOO much faster that and you've got the death of the loungeroom gaming device.
I don't think it's that the MS beancounters are necessarily killing the platform. But unfortunately, nobody is reviving the platform. There's little to encourage people to desire these expensive, inflexible and nonsensical devices in the face of so much change. The XBOX 1 market is essentially the XBOX 360 market, only smaller.
Until the beancounters face up to the need for massive change, aint nothing gonna keep this dead duck breathing.
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I like to think that this is at least somewhat representative of a good portion of the gaming market, young, unemployed, and with parents that aren't willing to drop 1500$+ for a moderate gaming PC.
$1500 for a 'moderate' gaming PC?
I built a new gaming PC for $1500 last year. It has the second most powerful consumer CPU at that time, tons of RAM, an SSD, 3TB of hard drive space, and a mid to high-end GPU that plays most games maxed out at 1920x1080.
$700 should get you a 'moderate' gaming PC. After all, most PC games are ports of consoles with hardware equivalent to about a five-year old PC.
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Better yet, get a 'moderate" PC for $200 (which runs basically most games for PC anyways) and pick up a used PS3 f
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I'm really not sure. If anything the move towards VR will push the move away from PCs in the traditional sense. I don't want to be tethered to a PC to use VR, much better to have a centralised server of some kind that does the heavy lifting for appliances around the house (maybe it'll sit next to a screen/ke
What "effective intuitive controls"? (Score:2)
Couple this with mobile gaming devices that are powerful enough and full of fun (if not graphtastic) cheap games using effective intuitive controls
Say one were to make Mega Man 2 or Bionic Commando or DuckTales or any of several other classic Capcom platformers for a touch-screen mobile gaming device like the fourth-generation iPod touch. What "effective intuitive controls" would a touch-based platformer use?
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Many people blame piracy for killing record stores and then video stores. But an interesting factoid is that if you look at younger people
Xbox Live (Score:2)
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How was it "so impossible to cancel"? You:
1) Navigate to live.xbox.com.
2) Sign into your account.
3) Click "My account".
4) Click "Cancel Auto Payment".
Now you've canceled your service.
Sony (Score:2)
They must really not want any customers (Score:2)
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Maybe the Xbox factory is just a front for drugs or something.
Nah, drugs are highly profitable. Microsoft's entertainment division doesn't do profitable.
It's all in perspective (Score:2, Insightful)
I get it, you're pissed. You (the general population posting in these forums) hate Microsoft, this is a chance to try and get others to rally behind you. You claim that this is the feature/policy that broke the camels back and now you definitely will not be buying an xbox ever again. To you, charging for video streaming is just one more way that "the man" is trying to stick it to you. Last time it was Netflix, those bastards.
I tend to approach it from the other perspective. For the last 6 years I've been
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It's a frog. Would be hard to sting a turtle's back.
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There are at least a couple of versions. Including one with a turtle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frog_and_the_Mouse [wikipedia.org]
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Not calling Microsoft a paragon of virtue here, but what are you recording offline anyway? PS4 is a great console, I might get one, but the xbox bashing is starting to feel a little over the top.
1. Buy XBox One
2. Complain about greedy, capitalist oppressor extorting money from proletariat
3. ???
4. Profit!
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Lets players. Regardless of your opinion of them, it's a pretty gigantic deal these days. Of course this is nothing that couldn't already be done with third party hardware, it will probably make the whole thing more accessible if the consoles themselves are handling the streaming.
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And I probably won't buy into either XBone or PS4 (_maybe_ until my PS3 60GB finally gives in and can't find any other PS3) because they might change their mind back to the beginning of their original secret plans as soon the market is flooded by devices.
I stopped playing games years ago, but only bought two consoles, one of them used. The willingness to fork over money for New Locked-up gaming hardware and New games locked into one console have left me utterly fascinated. Not for a business model (which isn't particularly brilliant) but for the lemming-like procession of people queuing up to be shackled. Yeah, some of the games a pretty neat, but if people would stop buying this Console + Game = -$$$ line of math you'd find the games finally migrating a
Genres where PC has been weak (Score:2)
if people would stop buying this Console + Game = -$$$ line of math you'd find the games finally migrating all back to the desktop, laptop or tablet.
Including games in genres that rely on two to four players looking at one screen, such as fighting games, cooperative platformers, and action games inspired by classic arcade games? Those don't work well on a monitor smaller than a TV, and I'm under the impression that not a lot of gamers are willing to connect a PC in one room to a TV in the living room or build a home theater PC just for one game.
Re:LOL (Score:5, Funny)
Until you "hold it wrong".