Three-Way Comparison Shows PCs Slaying Consoles In Dragon Age Inquisition 227
MojoKid writes: "BioWare's long-awaited Dragon Age Inquisition has dropped for the PS4, Xbox One, and PCs. A comparison of the visuals in key scenes between all three platforms shows that while the PC variant clearly looks the best in multiple areas (as it should), there's evidence of good, intelligent optimization for consoles and PCs alike. After the debacle of Assassin's Creed Unity, Inquisition could provide an important taste of how to do things right. As expected though, when detail levels are increased, the PC still pulls away with the best overall visuals. The Xbox One and PS4 are largely matched, while PC renders of characters have better facial coloring and slightly more detailed textures. The lighting models are also far more detailed on the PC version with the PS4 following behind. The Xbox One, in contrast, is rather muddy. Overall, the PC and PS4 are closest in general detail, with the Xbox One occasionally lagging behind.
Duh (Score:5, Funny)
PC will always beat console.
Consoles are obsolete when they come out.
PC graphics hardware isn't obsolete until a month after it comes out.
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I use them because of the free oxygen exchange at the electron level produces better warmth of both the highs and lows. Especially the optical ones. Those are unmatched in how the binary data passes thru them.
Re:Duh (Score:4, Funny)
Tell me about it. Before switching to Monster Cables, I was using TOSLink cables from the dollar store and after only three days of use, a TWO was able to pass through the binary stream. My gold-plated analog amplifier was totally rueened.
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Someday I will discover their secrets.
I tried gold plating my own fiber optic cables but they just stopped working.
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Re:Duh (Score:5, Insightful)
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I need to upgrade every 4 years or so to keep up with the latest games, spending ~$500
How is that different than a console?
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When I buy a new gen console I have to get all new games. When I buy a PC I install all my old games on it, and they run even better.
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When I buy a new gen console I have to get all new games.
Nothing is stopping you from playing the old games on the old console. You buy the newer stuff for the newer console.
Or, if you had one of the nice CECHA/CECHB/CECHE PS3's, you just used all your PSOne/PS2 discs in it as well.
But really, how many older games do you actually play. Yeah you may say "I install LOOM on my Win8 machine" but do you actually play the older stuff, but only do that to brag about your library.
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I used to play Quake 1 200 years after it came out. The old glquake port still ran flawlessly, arbitrary resolution and you get to max out AA/AF and have instant loading times on any PC (jadd some gamma correction to see shit). What's more, the game is very worth playing. You need higher than 60Hz refresh to play it well. PC gaming has been through a 60Hz dark age, barely broken by a handful overpriced TN monitors.
Disc drives wear out, and space is limited (Score:2)
Nothing is stopping you from playing the old games on the old console.
Other than A. a worn-out disc drive in the old console, or B. limited space next to your TV to keep nine consoles (PS2, PS3, PS4, Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Nintendo 64, Wii, Wii U) and their controllers.
$500 per card or per household? (Score:2)
I need to upgrade every 4 years or so to keep up with the latest games, spending ~$500, and they look much better than console games.
How many PCs in your household do you have to upgrade with a $500 video card? Or is that $500 for all your family's PCs put together?
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How many PCs in your household do you have to upgrade with a $500 video card?
One that's going to play games like the latest Assassin's Creed or Dragon Age on anything higher than "shit." Cheapest videocard I saw that even even met their base "recommended" requirements was almost as expensive as an entire PS4 or Xbox One. No thank you.
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That's $322 dollars right there, without storage, without power supply, without RAM, without motherboard.
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But the family PC may be a Core 2 Duo alike at 2.4GHz or similar. The framerates are murdered.
If you know what you're doing you can get away with only doubling that budget (low end mobo, Pentium and one 4GB stick)
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I upgraded the firmware on a vid card from 2000, which did what I expected (nothing)
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Don't need to upgrade regularly anymore, huh? Go look at the system requirements on AC: Unity and tell me you can play that on even medium settings with a system that hasn't been upgraded in years.
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Go loot at pretty much any other game and you can. That you can find always find a game that requires a high-end PC to run, doesn't mean that you have to upgrade. Especially not when the game in question has around 7 or so practically identical predecessors which run on mid-level machines just fine.
If anything, m
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My gaming/photoshop machine has an Ivy Bridge i7, 32Gig and a video card that was current and expensive from Nvidia at the time.
I perceive no problems with it running any games. I might get higher framerates or something if I upgraded, but I'm not sure how it would improve my enjoyment of the games any.
If they added a feature to the video card to stop family members interrupting me when I'm playing multiplayer, I'd be upgrading right away.
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Go look at the system requirements on AC: Unity
A buggy game with performance problems at launch probably isn't the best example to use.
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Uh, $500 for a new video card does not make it obsolete in a year unless you were talking about a decade and a half ago. I bought a $250-$300 (560 TI)card early 2011. Early last year I had to change my graphics from Ultra to High (mainly due to upgrading to a 2560x1440 display) . This summer I had to lower it from high to medium, with the latest games coming out this fall I now am starting to get poor framerates even on medium so I will probably pick up another $250-300 card this christmas and should be g
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Are you buying your video cards at Bloomingdales?
Right now, you can pick up an ASUS Geforce 970 for around $300. I guarantee you will still be playing all the AAA games on high in 2018.
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Or I could just pick up an entire console for $100 more and will DEFINITELY still be playing AAA games in 2020.
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Atari 2600 crash (Score:2)
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Do you actually play games that old, or is that just something you brag about as a member of the supposed "Master Race".
Hell, I've got a CECHE PS3, I could play everything back to 1995. As much as I liked PSone Diablo and FFVII, most of my time spent on the PS3 was spent playing PS3 games.
PLUS all the old arcade and console games too.
Yeah, if you pirate them, you can install emulators on consoles with custom firmware too, but really how many NES games on your PC do you actually play?
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Uh huh. Of course, you'll still be struggling to reach 30 fps at 1080p.
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Considering that there is a long history of console games getting much BETTER over the life of a console, I'll take my chances. Sure beats chasing the dragon of PC gaming.
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Yeah, I'm sure the AAA titles getting released in 2020 are going to look just awesome on the PS4 hardware compared with a PC.
I built my last machine in 2011 when Skyrim launched. It was powerful enough to run Skyrim at 1920 x 1200 with several high-resolution texture mods, sky mods, lighting mods, etc with maximum settings all around. Sure, it cost a bit all told, but it also has SSD drives, a 2TB RAID array, and other things not required for only gaming. But I also picked a system configuration that sup
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I built my PC for under $1k 3 years ago and I can still run DAI at 1600x1200 at ultra settings on it. I haven't spent any money on my system in those years accept to add a extra HDD or two.
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It's not an xbox one though and you can't play DAI on it. It's also not running full graphics settings even on xbox one. My monitor is the only reason I can't play at a higher res (I could do widescreen 1080p on my TV, but kinda hard with a game setup for keyboard and mouse on a PC). I'm just saying you are overstating how much money needs to be spent to have a PC that can play games at a higher res than a console.
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Point of Order: The 360 will output 1080p quite happily, but that's not what the game you're playing is actually being rendered at.
Amazing piece of hardware, don't get me wrong.
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However, the PS3 was also slower and had less available RAM for games. Sure, you had 7 SPUs, but hardly any games used them,
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Sure, you had 7 SPUs,
Six. the seventh is reserved for the hypervisor. (Actualy it's 8, but one is disabled for yield)
but hardly any games used them, instead using the 2 PPUs instead
ONE PPU, but it's hyperthreaded, with an Altivec unit.
That was from back when I still had Linux on my
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No, it doesn't.
The native resolution of the XBox 360 is 720p. It can be upscaled to 1080i, but it's nowhere near as good as native 1080p.
Plus, Dragon Age Inquisition (the subject of this article) is not even available for XBox 360 and even on a brand new XBox One, it maxes out at 900p.
Re: Duh (Score:2)
Actually, Inquisition is available on last gen consoles (PS3 + X360), but that fact is often glossed over. It would have been interesting to see them included in the comparisons here.
What? (Score:5, Insightful)
Okay...
That's because (Score:5, Insightful)
the PC is objectively better.
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Well, by some metric, a top fuel dragster is objectively better as a car. Provided you have the money for an expensive hobby, of course. And only need to travel in a straight line.
If you want to define "objectively better" as lower TCO over the life of the product, and good enough for most applications ... then I'll say a console is objectively better.
My XBox 360 cost me about $350, has never needed a hardware upgrade, and still works after several years. And I can run it completely offline from the inter
Re:That's because (Score:5, Insightful)
You pay for xbox live and your games are more expensive. A PC can be built for 600$ which beats an Xbox One and will quickly beat it in price if you only buy games from online sales (which you really should). Also, consider that a computer is needed anyway. Then it's no longer even the full price of the PC that you must consider, but the extra you are paying to have a gaming PC vs a working PC. Then the advantage is even more in the PC's favour. The inherent backward compatibility and mods inherent to the platform put the final nail in the coffin.
Your analogy fails because dragsters can achieve a higher top speed, but are inherently limited compared to normal cars. For games, PCs can have more raw power and are more versatile.
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First the PC will have better specs on paper, but when it comes to running the actual game, the performance may be worse simply because having a console allows for more highly tuned and specialized code.
Second, that $600 PC purchased now will definitely be a lot better, but if it were purchased at the time of release, even the raw numbers wouldn't be all that much better, never mind the actual performance. Also if you don't already have a good monitor, that's even m
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First the PC will have better specs on paper, but when it comes to running the actual game, the performance may be worse simply because having a console allows for more highly tuned and specialized code.
Yeeeah, not in this generation. That's because Sony and Microsoft went for 1.6GHz AMD Jaguar Fusion family of x86-64/GPU processors instead of custom processors this time around.
Second, that $600 PC purchased now will definitely be a lot better, but if it were purchased at the time of release, even the raw numbers wouldn't be all that much better, never mind the actual performance.
The consoles use faster RAM (actually, only the framebuffer does for the XbOne), but the PC's clock speed advantage is likely enough to close those gaps... and is pretty much guaranteed if they use a dedicated graphics card (as the RAM speed advantage largely goes away in that case).
Also if you don't already have a good monitor, that's even more of an investment, unless you want to hook up the PC to your TV as well.
If you were doing a Gaming PC, this is exactly wh
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It'd have to be a deep Steam sale (Score:2)
You pay for xbox live
You don't need an Xbox Live Gold subscription for single-player or local multiplayer.
and your games are more expensive
It'd have to be a really deep Steam sale for four copies of a PC game supporting LAN play but not shared-screen to be cheaper than one used $30 copy of an Xbox 360 game supporting up to four Xbox controllers.
Also, consider that a computer is needed anyway. Then it's no longer even the full price of the PC that you must consider, but the extra you are paying to have a gaming PC vs a working PC.
If you prefer a laptop as your working PC, the difference between a working laptop and a gaming laptop can pile up even faster.
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You pay for xbox live
That's right and PSN+ too, but you get something for that besides online gaming...you get freebies tossed in.
and your games are more expensive.
No, they aren't. Same price, at least here in the US. Dragon Age Inquisition, the game this entire discussion is about, is the exact same price on EVERY platform, PC/PS4/XboxOne/PS3/360
if you only buy games from online sales
If you're wondering the reason why the PC version of many games is an afterthought...it's guys like you. The "I only buy games for $5 at steam sales"...cheapskates who then complain when the PC version comes out la
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It's objectively better in all metrics except cost.
Here's it's shown to be better than consoles visually. And the modders haven't even touched it yet.
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You're parameters are screwy.
"and good enough for most applications "
You don't use most applications on the console. Do you use excel? audacity? Can you write and add any mod you like to minecraft? Use it for your email?
IN your example. the console would be the dragster. It's the specialized device.
I have a PS3, and Xbox, and a Wii. Looking at life time and usage, the PC's are cheaper.
Anyway, I was talking about technical play-ability.
Example: On a PC you can make tighter turns. I think it was Gabe Newall w
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You don't use most applications on the console. Do you use excel? audacity?
As a matter of fact..... I have used OO Calc and Audacity on a PS3.
Use it for your email?
I have. Kmail, Thunderbird, claws-mail. On both the PS2 and PS3. I could now if I stuck to webmail, thanks to the PS3 and PS4's web browser. The vita has an e-mail app already. There is nothing stopping Sony from slapping up versions of OO or Audacity compiled for the standard PS4 OS on PSN. Hell, their video editing app is based on ffmpeg!
http://www.psdevwiki.com/ps4/L... [psdevwiki.com]
I think it was Gabe Newall who did a technical write up on that issue when discussion getting PC players and Console playing together. The solution? make PC client slower. In effect lower PC's to console level
On a PC response times is quicker.
That was entirely due to mouse-aiming being easy-mode. That's w
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Doubt it. Xbox 360 games cost how much?
The same price as games for other platforms?
Controllers cost how much?
I don't know, mine came with my PS3/PS4.
Batteries for your wireless controllers?
Never had to replace controller batteries.
Live subscription?
PS+ 49.95 a year. Gets you a ton of games in the "Instant Game Library. It's why it was popular on the PS3.
Wifi dongle?
What is this you speak of, the PS3 and PS4 do not need such things.
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So you're saying my PC with built-in Intel 4600 graphics is better than a PS4. Great to know. Guess I won't have to get a new video card after all.
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Vastly superior gaming platform demonstrated to be vastly superior. Next up, water proven to be wet.
Seriously, is this a surprise to anyone. A PC with more modern and more powerful hardware is faster and more detailed than a gaming platform with older and less powerful hardware...
It's like someone who drives a VW Golf complaining that it's not as fast as a Nissan 370z.
PCs Slaying Consoles In Dragon Age Inquisition (Score:4, Insightful)
I see what you did there. Don't do that. This is Slashdot, not "10 reasons" and "you won't believe what happened next".
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Or my favorite Wired headline: "How X is going the CHANGE THE WORLD!"
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x mean xbox? osX windows X ....
i guess its better than the original headline
"how _____ is going to CHANGE THE WORLD"
Re:PCs Slaying Consoles In Dragon Age Inquisition (Score:5, Funny)
I see what you did there. Don't do that. This is Slashdot, not "10 reasons" and "you won't believe what happened next".
What reasons?
OMG! What happened next!?
On the other hand, it's EA (Score:3)
And they haven't really done anything regarding hthe "stop shitting all over customers" promise they threw out on a PR damage control press conference.
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So stating the obvious then (Score:3, Informative)
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PC is the best then PS4 then Xbox One. I guess hardware does matter when it comes to gaming. Anyone else not surprised? As for Xbox, it looks like they will be behind until the next generation unless they update the hardware. The ESRAM buffer does not seem to be making up the gap as they hoped it would.
Only behind (in graphics) to PS4 owners. Hardware is virtually the same.
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PC is the best then PS4 then Xbox One. I guess hardware does matter when it comes to gaming. Anyone else not surprised? As for Xbox, it looks like they will be behind until the next generation unless they update the hardware. The ESRAM buffer does not seem to be making up the gap as they hoped it would.
Only behind (in graphics) to PS4 owners. Hardware is virtually the same.
Lets pull some quotes from the article.
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considering all AAA titles tout the "stunning graphics" ....
Except for the PC mouse+keyboard controls... (Score:5, Interesting)
Apparently, it's pretty bad. I bought this for my wife yesterday and she's pretty frustrated with the mouse+keyboard controls on the PC. Apparently, it was developed with a console controller in mind. She HATES controllers; it's one of the reasons she is strictly a PC gamer. Here is a thread about it on Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/2mnbyl/dragon_age_inquisition_not_enjoying_the_pc/
I'm thinking about getting her a Razor Orbweaver for her machine; I'm hoping that it may solve some of the problems:
http://www.razerzone.com/gb-en/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-orbweaver
Re:Except for the PC mouse+keyboard controls... (Score:4, Interesting)
If I may make a recommendation, consider trying out logitech G13 before going for orbweaver.
It has a few significant advantages over orbweaver, like actual analogue joystick (orbweaver's "thumbstick" is just a directional pad). It's also shaped differently, and I found it to be a much better fit for my hand. It's also significantly cheaper.
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It's about the same, except it doesn't have the whole big brother thing with analysis tools that Razer insists on. Logitech's version is fully offline for all components.
You can probably find video reviews of it online.
Note to HotHardware (Score:5, Insightful)
When creating comparison images, use PNG not JPG. One of the images compares the texture detail on the face, but the "more detailed" PC image just shows more JPEG artifacts. That indirectly shows there was probably detail there, but you can't really see it. If you do JPEG it, use the ridiculously high settings.
Re:Note to HotHardware (Score:4, Insightful)
If anything, this comparison served well to make me consider buying a console. I mean, if I'm not able to see a significant difference, why would it make sense for me to spend extra bucks on the PC? Just because some videophile found the console version to be "muddy"?
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why would it make sense for me to spend extra bucks on the PC? Just because some videophile found the console version to be "muddy"?
Higher framerate and/or resolution.
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Exactly. I was thinking the same thing. Most the images looked virtually identical, but the main image where the PC showed more detail I just see jpeg artifacts as you said. I looked up at the URL and saw .JPG and thought.... wow you went through all this trouble to show which was better and you ruined your visuals by using JPG when PNG was right there probably one drop down box away when you were saving the images.. At this rate I am not sure if they save the screen shots in JPG then put them together in s
Consoles should just go away (Score:2)
What we should have instead are gaming PCs.
Give them nice living room form factors, a good TV friendly GUI, make sure there are HDMI out plugs in the back, and have them come with some controllers.
But there is no reason the OS can't be windows or linux or macos.
We don't need console OS's. They're stupid. Their only questionable purpose at this point is as a form of DRM because they're so locked down. And that isn't in the consumer's interest.
Furthermore, the value to the console makers or the game developer
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Gaming PCs already exist. Everybody knows about them. A lot of people choose not to buy them. What's to be gained by taking away options from consumers?
Personally I enjoy my XBox very much, and have about zero interest in getting a gaming PC. If I was into MMORPGs or was a hard-core FPS player that would probably be different.
Mods anyone? (Score:2)
Personally I enjoy my XBox very much, and have about zero interest in getting a gaming PC. If I was into MMORPGs or was a hard-core FPS player that would probably be different.
Did you ever consider trying user-created works, such as mods or indie games? If you did, in what way did they fail to keep your interest?
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Some are a pain, most aren't.
A lot of titles have nice (often 3rd party) mod managers now which'll download mods, keep them updated, and allow you to selectively disable them- all from a simple GUI. When I recently replayed Skyrim I spent about an hour or so browsing through all of the mods on Nexus, and installing those that look interesting, and in my mind it made the game a lot more fun.
I admit there were a couple that were slightly broken in odds ways, such as a custom weapon which was heavily overpowe
Re:Consoles should just go away (Score:4, Insightful)
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What is stopping you from plugging your laptop into your big screen and surround sound? Both devices will have HDMI, no doubt your 7.1 reciever will have HDMI in/out, whats the problem?
Infact the consoles only support 5.1, and while PC games also only support 5.1 you have the option of using third party software to upmix or EQ the sound to your hearts desire. This is also especially useful for blurays (I use Jriver or other EQ software to boost the LFE on some films), so the PC/laptop has now also replace
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Uh, there is no way that a PC could replace my DSP...first, my DSP is a full fledged AVR putting out serious power to large speakers throughout my livingroom. Second, it can be controlled by my phone or my remote, with 3 zones and the ability to rapidly play various internet radio (and control thereof) channels, such as pandora or what-have-you. If I want to start my americana station in zone 3, watch a movie in zone 2, play a comedy station in zone 1 - all done in seconds from my phone or easy remote. V
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Infact the consoles only support 5.1,
That's not quite true, the PS3 and PS4 support 7.1 and yes there are games with true 7.1 audio on the PS3. It's why Skyrim is 3.6GB on the 360 and 10GB on the PS3, it supports Dolby Digital, DTS, 5.1 LPCM and 7.1 LPCM
ALL the content is provided by a gaming PC that cost £600 4 years ago
UK gamers are notoriously anti-console thanks to the UK governments protectionism to favor Sinclair and keep the Americans and Japanese out.
Alienware is doing this (Score:2)
[PCs with] nice living room form factors, a good TV friendly GUI, make sure there are HDMI out plugs in the back, and have them come with some controllers.
So, a Steam Box?
Almost, except manufacturers need to actually make one available instead of waiting for Valve to count to three (OS, STBs, and controller). Alienware has the right idea [slashdot.org]. In fact the Start screen of Windows 8 has somewhat of an advantage on a TV because it can be operated with arrow keys in the same way that the similar Start screen of Xbox 360 can.
Look the same (Score:4, Insightful)
Almost all screenshots look virtually the same save for one example where the lighting was different as if they tweaked a spot light somewhere (art difference not technical)
It's not even like the SNES vs Genesis days or Amiga vs ST, where the graphics were usually similar but a bit different. It's more like comparing a Quake 2 engine game on different computers.. Every computer runs it at full detail (even back in the day, almost) so you're always looking at the same assets.
Also, if a big fat GPU only gives you more pixels that look the same.. maybe the pixels aren't worth that much if the consoles are doing it at 900p.
Next thing will be to get the smallest and cheapest 4K display you can find, at least an arm length away ; play at a low non native res (even down to 1280x720 which is one third in both axises). Should be looking good enough (add 2x AA or the latest "smart AA") with no scaling artifacts to be seen. A rather cheap GPU (minimum 2GB gddr5) should do. But the biggest annoyance with PC gaming is having to replace CPU, motherboard and RAM just for the games. My 5 year old hardware feels like it's got at minimum another 5 years of life before it, but would probably run crappy new games at 20 fps even with a fat GPU and Windoze.
What about the game itself? (Score:3)
I didn't realize this had come out yet. Frankly, I don't care about graphics (or at least, as long as they're not worse than DA1, which I'm sure they're not). I'm also already wedded to my game-playing system of choice, and one game's output isn't going to change that one whit.
What I'm interested in is the game itself, and I haven't seen any headlines for that. Did I just miss the article for the release of a sequel to an AAA game, or did we skip that and go right to the graphics analysis? How is the game? Is it more like the first one, which I loved, or is it more like the second one, which I avoided because of all the crazy changes they made to it. Basically, am I gonna want to buy it?
Proposal for a slashdot poll: does anyone really actually care about the graphics on a game? Especially at the level we're talking about here? If the answer is more than 10% I'd be shocked, and if it's closer to 3%, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
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Could be worse. You could be choosing your Atari 2600 games based on the box art.
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I didn't realize this had come out yet.
What I'm interested in is the game itself, and I haven't seen any headlines for that.How is the game? Is it more like the first one, which I loved, or is it more like the second one, which I avoided because of all the crazy changes they made to it. Basically, am I gonna want to buy it?
10/10 [youtube.com], yes, no, yes.
This article should die a horrible death (Score:4, Insightful)
What matters: no multi-platform multi-player (Score:2)
If you can't play multi-player with your friend on another platform then who cares which one of you has better graphics? Are you people more concerned with e-peen rants than about being able to play the game together? How many of you are buying a platform based on this title? I'd much rather buy titles that let me play with my friends no matter who has what hardware.
Single-player uber alles (Score:2)
Good for you. Personally, I'll probably just get a PS4 and a copy of DA:I when I can afford to do so, because I don't give a shit about graphics or online multiplayer.
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Nothing like schooling some console bitches. WASD, motherfucker, do you speak it?
Yes, we speak it. We've spoken it ever since the PS2. However, WASD is an inferior control method for movement.
The guy after me recommends the G13, that's not a bad idea, that gives you hybrid controls. Which as any PS2/PS3/PS4 owner can tell you, work well for some games. You use the stick to move, but the mouse to aim.
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I played the DOS games for the graphics. Lands of Lore, Dungeon Keeper, Doom, Descent, Indiana Jones, Dark Forces, The Dig, Full Throttle. I may end up having to assemble an old PC, have a CD of Windows 98 First Edition (ha!). Dosbox is slow and less straightforward.
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Except the new consoles are just low to mid-range PCs.
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Considering the Steam hardware survey...more like high-range. Take a look at the most common graphics cards, CPU's and whatnot. Dual-core is the most common with the most common graphics card being an Intel integrated one.
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So much sense that the Xbox One is in fact a dual system, it has a hypervisor with one system for the apps, media, browsing, whatever and one system for the running game.
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I'm torn. A PC costs about the price of a console or a bit more if you put an i5 in it (to be sure to meet game specs). But when last gen consoles were introduced a PC lasted about three years, or five if you let it be well outgrown by games. Now a PC lasts for a decade, I'd say easily 15 years if specced midrange. (a quad core with a big SSD, 8GB RAM and two free slots for adding another 16GB, room for making the storage 10x bigger, upgradeable to 10Gbe, sound card or DAC good enough for $5K speakers..)
The