Pokemon Game Adds $7.5 Billion To Nintendo Market Value In Two Days (reuters.com) 168
Who would have thought that Nintendo will ever make a strong return to the market... especially with an app that is not designed for company's signature hardware. But that is exactly what has happened. Shares in Nintendo soared again on Monday, according to a report on Reuters, bringing market-value gains to $7.5 billion in just two days as investors cheered the runaway success of Pokemon Go, the company's first long-awaited title in mobile gaming. From the report: The game, which marries a classic 20-year old franchise with augmented reality, allows players to walk around real-life neighbourhoods while seeking virtual Pokemon game characters on their smartphone screens - a scavenger hunt that has earned enthusiastic early reviews. In the United States, by July 8 -- two days after its release -- it was installed on more than 5 percent of Android devices in the country, according to web analytics firm SimilarWeb. It is now on more Android phones than dating app Tinder and its rate of daily active users was neck and neck with social network Twitter, the analytics firm said. The game is also being played an average of 43 minutes a day, more time spent than on WhatsApp or Instagram, it added. Update: 07/11 11:03 GMT by M :A report on Quartz states that Pokemon Go has added nearly 11 billion USD to the value of Nintendo since its release.
Two days? (Score:1)
its rate of daily active users was neck and neck with
I don't think you can draw many conclusions about something based on two days of history. Is it remarkably popular? Apparently. Will it continue to be so? That remains to be seen.
This post is not meant to be in favor of or against this article or game or company. Just noting that the comparison isn't really valid.
Re:Two days? (Score:5, Interesting)
I played the game this weekend with my 18 year old son. It was actually pretty fun. The app needs a good bit of work, but assuming they keep developing and don't mess it up, I can easily see the added market valuation.
It made a kid who usually sits inside at his computer most of the time walk a total of ~8 miles this weekend (not an exaggeration - he's hooked). As my son put it, "Michelle Obama has been trying to convince kids to go outside for 8 years. Nintendo did it in 24 hours."
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Pokemon uses Ingress portals as Pokestops n such. So, Ingress paved the way for Pokemon, and the ONLY reason Pokemon is popular is because of the Pokemon name. Good for them.
AND there are already HUGE problems for Pokemon with both Servers being overloaded, and hacked APKs that spoofers are going to use to ruin the game. At least with Ingress, you know who the spoofers are, not that Niantic does anything about them.
Re:Two days? (Score:5, Insightful)
So, Ingress paved the way for Pokemon, and the ONLY reason Pokemon is popular is because of the Pokemon name. Good for them.
AND there are already HUGE problems for Pokemon with both Servers being overloaded, and hacked APKs that spoofers...
I get it, you're upset because you like Ingress and why didn't all these people get excited about your alien hacking game instead of Pokemon? I like Ingress, too, but there was never any chance it was going to take off like this.
Re:Two days? (Score:4, Interesting)
Saying I am "upset" isn't quite right. I find it "amusing" that something that is so "new" isn't really all that "new".
They should have used different places for their Pokestops, which are based on Ingress (and backstory) Portals. Create your own backstory, and own locations. Oh wait, that would be ... re-inventing the wheel! (not that new, after all)
And yes, Pokemon is going to be all the rage, until all the idiots come out and get themselves hurt and killed. It happens in Ingress, but the PokeKids are pretty damn stupid about slamming on their brakes in front of the nearest pokestop doing whatever they do there.
Re:Two days? (Score:4, Interesting)
> the ONLY reason Pokemon is popular is because of the Pokemon name
Wrong.
Pokemon is popular because Pokemon are cool and fun. Ingress is interesting, but Pokemon is great. It's also much more approachable, and the game has user settable goals (collect all of my favorite pokemon, etc), whereas Ingress is much more about raw power.
I played Ingress and didn't like it. I love Pokemon Go, however.
Music? Pokemon Go has pokemon music, which fucking rocks. Ingress is some mood setting noises, but nothing like Pokemon.
Graphics? Over a hundred pokemon, able to be rendered into your backyard. You have a somewhat customizable avatar too. Ingress has a tricorder.
Brand name, lol.
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Pokemon uses Ingress portals as Pokestops n such. So, Ingress paved the way for Pokemon, and the ONLY reason Pokemon is popular is because of the Pokemon name. Good for them.
That does gloss over the fact that Pokemon itself is a hugely successful game franchise in it'd own right with regular new releases that continue to be popular and introduce new gameplay, that has been flirting with this concept for a long time.
Original pokemon was the game that justified owning a link cable (so you could trade and battle with your friends), later generations introduced the pedometer tracking your steps so walking in the real world hatched your eggs, and the internet based trade and battle
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> just what the hell are they going to do with the massive trove of location data
I'd appreciate a high combat point Dragonite spawn, personally.
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Market valuation is simply the stock price times the number of outstanding shares. The company sees none of that money. The only thing market value is useful for is an approximation of how much you would have to spend to buy the company.
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Nintendo had NOTHING to do with this, it was created by Niantic. Nintendo still doesn't want to release games outside of its own crappy consoles.
Pokemon Go only exists because of Niantic's previous game, Ingress, which has been out for 3 years now. Everything in Pokemon Go from the location of all pokestops and gyms to the way the game functions and tracks you as you move throughout the world and your travel speed was done in Ingress 3 years prior.
Re: Two days? (Score:5, Insightful)
3 years and their game went nowhere. Nitendo slaps their name and IP on it and it is one everyones phones in 2 days. Tell me again that Nintendo had nothing to do with it.
That's quoteworthy (Score:2)
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Unlikely. That would be past their bed time.
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Um, but WoW has been going for over 10 years, and still have a higher number of players than any other MMO out there. Most MMO's still wish they were even a fraction of successful as WoW.
This is the first big name AR game, and I am guessing that it will get better, and be copied, just like WoW was.
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WoW is down from its 10 million peak, but it is at least at 3 million players still. That's certainly nontrivial.
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WoW is down from its 10 million peak, but it is at least at 3 million players still. That's certainly nontrivial.
Soon to be about 1 million with in 1 year. Blizzard took all the skill out of WoW and made it a AFK Facebook game. They drove off the hardcore no life players in favor of 4 hour a week casuals. Face it MMOs are dead in terms of growth.
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It won't go down to a million. You're correct that no one is really developing in the mmo space right now, and that Blizzard is, err, innovating away a lot of their players. But there's enough lifers to keep it above a megasub. My 3 million is a lowball estimate- when they hit the number of subscribers that they had in vanilla WoW, they stopped releasing numbers. I'm projecting a roughly similar fall of subscribers that they have seen all of WoD. It could be higher than 3 million, and likely is a littl
How long will it last though? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:How long will it last though? (Score:5, Insightful)
This makes sense until you look at the game.
This thing has staying power.
It has all the elements of a good game, it:
- is cool (uses GPS and map data to make a game of outdoor activity)
- is fun
- is addictive
- has continuing progression
- has pvp aspects
- has crossover potential (aspects appeal to kids and adults alike)
- has brand recognition
- is cheap
- utilizes hardware you already have
- has "gone viral"
In addition, you don't have to walk around at all if you don't want to. You can be in a vehicle. A friend of mine got 1 pokemon while we were driving along the freeway and 1 while on a residential road.
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In addition, you don't have to walk around at all if you don't want to. You can be in a vehicle. A friend of mine got 1 pokemon while we were driving along the freeway and 1 while on a residential road.
If you're traveling above a certain speed (around 30 mph in the US) it won't work. Yes, you can occasionally grab a pokemon here and there, but it can't really be played reliably at highway speeds. There was a video of a guy who mounted his phone to a drone to play. Which kinda defeats the purpose, but is amusing.
Re:How long will it last though? (Score:4, Funny)
If you're traveling above a certain speed (around 30 mph in the US) it won't work. Yes, you can occasionally grab a pokemon here and there, but it can't really be played reliably at highway speeds.
Unless, of course, you live in L.A. where the prevailing highway speed is more like 10 mph...
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Unless you're on a motorcycle :D
[John]
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Unless you're on a motorcycle :D
What do you call someone lane splitting on a motorcycle while using a cell phone to try and catch Pokemon?
An organ donor.
Re:How long will it last though? (Score:4, Funny)
Harvest them all!
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Just wait until the inevitable accidents and people dying while playing PokemonGo. I've already seen several near misses as PokeStopped vehicles causing road rage.
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That sounds like a fun project android phone + vnc + rc quadcopter.
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People said the Wii was cool and had staying power too.
Yet where you find it now is mainly in attics and basements.
The problem is that people are willing to physically move and sacrifice time as long as something is new and in, but once that's gone, it will quickly dwindle off, and people go back to the couch and recliner.
Sure, some will still use it, but the great majority will leave until they jump on the next fad.
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Yet where you find it now is mainly in attics and basements.
You should mention that you find their owners there, too, so...
Re: How long will it last though? (Score:5, Insightful)
The Wii's longevity is downright AMAZING when you realize it was basically a GameCube with a higher-clocked CPU, slightly more RAM, a normal-sized dvd drive (that STILL couldn't officially play DVDs), and controllers that could have easily been ported to GCN with little more than a receiver hanging from a controller port. Graphically, the Wii literally WAS a GameCube, with EXACTLY the same GPU.
It's a shame that "Nintendo-type" games are still almost nonexistent on other platforms. If you want to play yet another depressing "if it moves, shoot it!" FPS, or deep simulation or adventure game that fully expects you to dedicate the next 5 months of your life to its mastery, xbox and ps have you abundantly well covered. If you want a game like Pikmin or Chibi Robo... you're almost out of luck. The other platforms have hardware that stomps Nintendo's into the ground, but almost no games I'd ever really want to play. Meanwhile, Nintendo's games are kind of fun, but the low resolution and lack of good anisotropic filtering makes my eyes bleed, and Wii U doesn't offer enough added value to be worth its high price relative to other systems.
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> People said the Wii was cool and had staying power too.
It did? The Wii had a successful lifespan. It came out in 2006. The comparable consoles are the PS3 and the Xbox 360.
> Yet where you find it now is mainly in attics and basements.
Right next to the PS3s and Xbox 360s, statistically.
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>People said the Wii was cool and had staying power too.
>Yet where you find it now is mainly in attics and basements.
Sounds like someone didn't have Big Buck Hunter and the shotgun controller!
Re:How long will it last though? (Score:5, Interesting)
This game only has potential if Nintendo makes an actual game out of it. As it stands this is the worst Pokemon game I have seen, but with a great gimmick which helped make it go viral (along with brand recognition). I downloaded it and played for a couple days, until I found out what the game play was actually like after level 5 (which only takes an hour or so to get to). The novelty wore off right about then.
This is an amazing example of how Augmented Reality will create a whole new segment of gaming. But as an actual game Pokemon Go is horrible. It does make me hopeful for the games we will start seeing in the very near future, and Nintendo will likely be at the forefront of those games. But I doubt this game will have much staying power once Augmented Reality games with actual game play come out. If that doesn't happen for a year or more then Pokemon Go will probably stay strong until then.
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Ingress - is cool (uses GPS and map data to make a game of outdoor activity)
Ingress - is fun
Ingress - is addictive
Ingress - has continuing progression
- has pvp aspects
Ingress - has crossover potential (aspects appeal to kids and adults alike) (Actually, Pokemon is very generational, the under 40 crowd
- has brand recognition
Ingress - is cheap*
Ingress - utilizes hardware you already have
- has "gone viral" (debatable, considering "Brand recognition"
So from My perspective of comparing Ingress vs PokemonGo!, the
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What is the equivalent of collecting all the Pokemon in Ingress?
Ingress has no brand recognition. Half the people I've mentioned that the map data come from Ingress are like, what's that? Whereas everyone knows what a Pokemon is.
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"Brand Recognition" was left blank. Ingress was a New Game, by a New Company with New Mechanics. The whole thing was "new". Pokemon, while having "brand" recognition, is largely dependent upon Ingress for much of its game play (Gyms, Stops etc). Which is pathetic for a franchise to be dependent on something that has none. When I first saw that, I thought "Lame" .
Re:How long will it last though? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't know jack about the poke-verse, but it seems to me that having people collecting virtual goods located at physical locations is tremendous marketing opportunity. Now I look at something on Ebay or Amazon and the adds follow me around for weeks on the internet. Consider looking at paddle boards online then all of a sudden the two store locally that sell paddle boards become pokestops or pokegyms! If retailers are willing to pay for a Google view or a click, imagine what they would pay for getting a meatsack through the door; and if I actually buy, I'd recieve sum in-game credit or an unlock.
Maybe have a QR code on a drink cup that award a pokemon, occasionally a rare and expensive one, like McD's monopoly game.
If memory serves me correctly, my Grandson was Poke-crazed in grade school and is now 24ish, single adults with disposable income and little life responsibilities are a highly desirable demographic. Seems to me that this would be really easy to monetize through 3rd party marketing
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> . You need to use in game cash, acquired only by real money, to level up pokemon after a certain point
Please be specific. I'm not aware of this system. Pokemon level by a type of candy ("pidgey candy" for pidgey, pidgeotto, and pidgeot) and "stardust". You can buy neither of these items in the game store- stardust is acquired from capturing and hatching pokemon, as well as defending gyms. $TYPENAME candy is only acquired from capturing pokemon.
Do you know something I don't? I think you are full of
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Revives are not available for pokecoins either though. Neither are potions.
Pokecoins (which you get from holding gyms or spending money) can buy pokeballs (which you also get at pokestops), incense/lures (which lets you encounter pokemon, and only very rarely available without spending), lucky eggs (which increase XP, and are only rarely available), and expand storage. There's stuff to pay money for, assuredly, but none of it is what OP is discussing.
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Having 500 pokeballs doesn't let me take a gym, though. Pokestops hand those things out like candy. This is a hard game to call pay to win, man. Unless your definition of "pay to win" is "any power or convenience for sale at all, ever". Normally a pay to win game will actually sell you power directly in some fashion.
The closest to pay to win is, IMO, the lucky eggs. Increasing XP gain maximizes the gain you get from spending time with the game.
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Don't worry. You go out and someone tries to mug you, they'll see your greasy, cheetos stained shirt and realize it's more work to clean whatever the fuck you might be carrying to bother with.
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I thought that car accident thing was a myth/urban legend.
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Seems more likely to be a fad, especially when things like this happen. How many people are going to get mugged trying to catch 'em all?
The market may price in other things.
I've seen claims Nintendo only owned 1/3 (30%?) of the company which actually make the game / of the money from it.
So 7.5 billion would become 22.5 billion.
Is the game worth that much? Does it have ads?
I don't know.
But more importantly does this show that Nintendo is ok with releasing their games on Android and other consoles and PC? I guess they have already answered that question before but possibly the market price in Nintendo games on other platforms too just not Pok
Re:How long will it last though? (Score:4, Insightful)
Very long if they play their cards right. (Score:2)
Who would have ever thought? :-p (Score:2)
(Other than anyone who has been paying attention to Nintendo and has seen them do it repeatedly.)
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Nintendo is not a good company, its a very, very, VERY lucky bad company.
They're always doing bad moves, but then finding "that thing" that boosts the company value tenfold and allow em to keep doing bad moves forever.
Donkey kong (a game that was not even supposed to exist, but just to toss the blame of the failure of radar scope on a rookie)
Famicom (a console where nintendo bought 5 million of chips (to get em cheap) on a era where consoles not called atari sold less than a million of units and atari iself
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[proceeds to list their biggest hits, and one console made by an entirely different company]
Heh, troll harder kid.
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Which console are you talking about?
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Nintendo haters are so funny. Because luck allows you to be one hundred and twenty fucking seven years old, and the good examples of companies are things that hatched in the last dozen or three years. Ntintendo has cash reserves for miles, refuses to expand out of caution, and has the capital to try their hand at creative innovation.
This is... safe? (Score:2, Funny)
allows players to walk around real-life neighbourhoods
I don't know what this app actually does, but isn't there a huge liability issue in maybe the pokemon leading a kid to step out in traffic, or into the yard of the local registered sex offender?
Re:This is... safe? (Score:5, Insightful)
fricken really? Letting your kid play outside in your local neighborhood is now considered a safety issue?
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Is that what they call being a normal kid these days...."free range", like a freakin' chicken?!?!
So...I'm guessing my parents if raising me today would be arrested for child endangerment? I mean, especially during summer vacation, I would eat breakfast and at times leave out and not come back home till about 4:30pm or so to make it in time for dinner. I would roam the neighborhood, and early on befo
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It was a cute name started by this anti-overprotection website:
http://www.freerangekids.com/ [freerangekids.com]
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Wow..that's just freaking scary!!
The first thing on that site, a "seal" on the top right says "Children Deserver some Unsupervised time".
Aside from the extremely young (infants, etc)...I would think kids need MOST of their time unsupervised, to allow them to learn to play, use imagination, etc...
Is this really what parenting has come to in this modern day?!?! Is every single activity planned
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Is this really what parenting has come to in this modern day?!?!
I couldn't say if the experiences posted on that website are typical, but some are truly appalling.
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But that's the world we live in,
No it's not. The world hasn't changed. Just a select group of people think it has.
and that's why I'm surprised a company would open itself up to potential legal liability.
What liability could a game company have if a parent doesn't supervise a child and it gets hurt? It didn't force someone to walk into traffic any more than sending a text message to someone who's about to cross the road does.
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You use the app stores unless you're 13, so unless one can prove that children were under 13, somehow enticed by Google/Nintendo to break the rules thwen maybe a case could go on.
But nah, its so much better to have kids cramed away at home for the few minutes they're not in school, because that'll lead to better people in the long run or something... Ultimately it always links back to parents. If they're not going for a walk with their kids either then sure, bad things can happen (with or without a game lea
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I don't know what this app actually does, but isn't there a huge liability issue in maybe the pokemon leading a kid to step out in traffic, or into the yard of the local registered sex offender?
Into traffic, not so much. That's the parents' responsibility. Their job might be harder without the PSA of the steamroller flattening the kid into a cardboard cutout, but it's still their job. The local registered sex offender? That's a possibility, but it's unlikely unless he lives in a historic building.
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but it's unlikely unless he lives in a historic building.
I just read about a poor sop that lives a few towns over who has a gaggle of people constantly in front of his used-to-be-a-church home.
Curating the map data properly sounds to me like a pretty impossible task, and given the appalling lack of rigor these things are done with these days, I'd say we are in for quite an interesting news cycle.
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Curating the map data properly sounds to me like a pretty impossible task, and given the appalling lack of rigor these things are done with these days, I'd say we are in for quite an interesting news cycle.
You do raise a good point, and if I were in charge of that I would definitely be concerned about registered sex offenders and liability. But that raises the question, what do you do about it? If you try to do something about it and fail, does that increase or decrease your liability as compared to throwing up your hands and claiming that you can't possibly solve such a problem?
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If you try to do something about it and fail, does that increase or decrease your liability as compared to throwing up your hands and claiming that you can't possibly solve such a problem?
Yeah, from a pure "stockholder's interest" approach, the funds to do that might be better directed towards lobbying a legislator to sneak something into a farm bill that makes you immune from prosecution for it.
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The public is using public property adjacent to private property? How dare they! We should totally create a buffer zone around homes that is exclusive to the owner. We could call it a "yard." If you wanted to, you could purchase a home with a "yard." If you didn't want to, you could simply suck it up rather than summoning the WHAAAAmbulance.
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Well, so far this guy seems only to be amused by it. We'll see if that lasts over the course of months/years, or not.
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Good.
I find that hilarious, like people have been meeting there for 150 years.
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but isn't there a huge liability issue in maybe the pokemon leading a kid to step out in traffic, or into the yard of the local registered sex offender?
Hopefully not because that would be retarded.
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You know the old mantra of the sex offender, gotta catch 'em all!
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> maybe the pokemon leading a kid ... into the yard of the local registered sex offender
Don't worry, the local registered sex offender won't be home, he'll be out chasing Pokemon.
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It's not like they can't call for help!
Re:This is... safe? (Score:4, Insightful)
maybe you can sue the game maker for not connecting to the sex offender database
If it happens, I'm sure someone will. This is the land of lawsuits, after all.
Meh (Score:1)
Just forge your GPS coordinates.
Sell! Sell! Sell! (Score:1)
One game isn't going to turn around Nintendo. Especially since the game was developed by Niantic, which is part of Google. I'm sure Google gets at least part of any potential profits.
Also, the fundamentals of Nintendo are shit. The P/E is 160! The dividend is a tiny .85%. One game developed by Google that uses the Pokemon brand isn't going to suddenly turn around Nintendo. I suggest shorting.
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Niantic isn't owned by Google (Alphabet) any longer.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/8... [theverge.com]
Play Pokemon, get robbed at gunpoint (Score:2, Interesting)
It sucks that people can't lave others alone.
But forgetting that "people are real assholes sometimes", here you have a game that leads someone with a multi-hundred dollar smartphone to a location not necessarily controlled by them [arstechnica.com]. May you live in interesting times.
Gamechanger (Score:1)
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Except Nintendo had nothing to do with this, it was created by Niantic and it wouldn't have been possible without their prior now 3 year old game, Ingress.
Demise of location based games (Score:2, Insightful)
I can't wait for Pokemon GO to lead to the demise of any and all location based games. Niantic's other game, Ingress, was the basis for all the locations in Pokemon GO. I've seen an influx of people at the locations of portals. Mind you, there's usually an abundance of portals inside of cemeteries. I, along with others in the area I play, normally don't visit those portals often out of respect. With Pokemon GO and a younger (immature) group more apt to play, they will probably not have that same respect. It
Re: Demise of location based games (Score:5, Insightful)
"abundance of portals inside of cemeteries"
When I'm dead I'd rather kids have fun catching Pokemon around my overpriced plot then "respecting it".
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Things my wife won't let me install (Score:5, Funny)
It is now on more Android phones than dating app Tinder
That's only because my wife wouldn't like it if I installed Tinder, but Pokemon are OK.
Ladies, do you find it strange that your husband is going out at odd hours to "catch pokemon" ?
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Seems so familiar... (Score:4, Interesting)
An extremely addictive AR/VR game... Makes people ignore their normal day to day... Some kind of mind control...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Only one not playing (Score:2)
I took a walk the other day and everyone was either catching Pokemon or taking weird/creepy photos with their cellphones. All my friends in other countries are playing it. I feel like I'm the only one not playing it. I don't really want something else to get addicted to.
Yay (Score:2)
Now release Wii-U Zelda dammit.
A powerful beast the unicorn is (Score:1)
They can create and destroy entire economies. Does Wall Street live on its blood? This has to be some gag that's going to pop the balloon, maybe before November, eh?
Too much effort (Score:2)
I gave up on Pokémon Diamond because it was too much work to play once a week to prevent a mass extinction of the trees in the game. No way in hell I'd play a version that makes me go outside and walk around!
Congrats to Niantic (Score:3)
Profit comparison (Score:2)
Google Earth Ingress Pokemon Go (Score:3)
This game is pretty good and much more fun than Ingress. It also has serious incentive to buy stuff in-game, like the incubator. To hatch an egg you have to walk 5K and with only one free incubator, I'm inclined to buy a couple - they're only $1.50 each. Niantic, the company behind the game is a spin out from Google, who in turn were a spin out of the Google Earth team, who were acquired by Google way back when. The Ingress SiFi game has been running for years and you can still spot the mid-20's to 30's crowd every so often in a park trying to take down or protect a portal. That said, Ingress's business model was based on putting portals at places like Jamba Juice to try and attract customers to go there. As far as I know, it didn't really work out. Pokemon GO's approach seems much more likely to pay off.
Right now, the biggest problem is that the servers keep crapping out. We'll have to change the phrase "Slashdotted" to "PK'd" or "Go'ed" or something because they are hammered. If you don't think this is a big thing, go to a park and look for teens hanging out looking at phones. Then tell them you haven't reached level 5 yet and they'll nod knowingly.
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It's that company that sells prescrambled hanafuda cards for the yakuza, because they can't trust anyone to scramble the cards due all the ninja methods of scrambling em in a way that favors a side.
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Is it really objectively worse than E.T. for the C64?
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HEY! There really is no reason to offend fags here!
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FTFY