Sony To Debut Two New PlayStation 4 Consoles Next Month, Says WSJ (cnet.com) 86
An anonymous reader writes: Sony could be about to announce two new PlayStation 4 consoles, according to the Wall Street Journal. Both units are set to be introduced next month, people familiar with the matter told the newspaper. The upgraded console outlined by the company earlier this year, capable of outputting 4K-resolution graphics, could be joined by a slimmed-down, cheaper version of the console. That would give gamers options to suit their varying budgets and demands. Sony is set to hold a press conference at the PlayStation Theater in New York on September 7 where the company is expected to outline the consoles in further detail.
Re: Remember when Sony mocked Microsoft atE3 (Score:2)
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Their main presenter, during their main presentation. Up on stage. Made fun of Microsoft for launching new consoles. Everyone saw it.
That's not what happened. Quote it, I dare you.
Related Leaked Images (Score:1)
Leaked images of the ps4 slim http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/08/ps4-slim-specs-price-release-date/
The console advantage. (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't get this changes with Microsoft than Sony.
They key advantage of Consoles isn't their power and performance but the fact that they are a common setup for the entire platform. Having different models with different features, will degrade this advantage and will end up with the same problem that we get with PCs. Games not optimized for the platforms, where they will not support the features that want to use, or will perform at a level that will cause a disadvantage to the other lesser box.
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Reading is fundamental.
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That's no where near where this is going. You're right in that you just buy "Playstation" rather than a Playstation XYZ. But your new console will play all your older games and all newer games going forward for X number of years without needing a subscription. Sure if 2023 a game might come out that requires a 2017 or newer version of the hardware, but how if that different than the normal generational increases?
I find this much more attractive than the PS3/360 -> PS4/XBone shift. On the Microsoft si
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Yes you might have to use something like DOSBox. But you can still run your original copy on the latest hardware. You can't run anything that's not PS4 on a PS4 (PS3 digital, PS2 disk, PS1 disk, etc). Hopefully the way consoles are going will fix that.
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Re: The console advantage. (Score:2)
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The third option is that he's talking about cross-buy titles.
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You're forgetting about Playstation Now
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Yup! It's not "Every Game", sadly. But really, with subscription pricing for a huge catalog of games, it beats the hell out of actually buying used games (and hoping that scratch isn't on the last boss fight). For the 2 or 3 japanese bouncy bubbly anime games that aren't on the platform, yes I do have to reach on the table and push "input" and SCROLLL ALLLL THEEEE WAYYYY DOWNNNN.
But what do you expect? It's a different architecture. They ditched cell. And I doubt Sony would release an emulator fearing tha
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You either re-bought the games, or you're lying. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ps3+on+ps... [lmgtfy.com]
Cute link -- but did you actually read through to the third link, "How To Play PS3 Games On PS4 - Knowledge Cage", or do you just accept as golden truth google's "Truth Bubble"?
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Re:The console advantage. (Score:5, Insightful)
On the developer side not its not probably that much harder to make the games able to support a range, all be it a limited one, of hardware.
On the consumer side though, I am not thrilled. I know many will disagree with me but I liked the least common denominator aspect of consoles. It meant that you could go to the store bring the game home and just play it. It worked and played the way it did in the store or on the TV commercial. Granny just had to understand little Timmy has a PlayStation and this is a PlayStation title to buy him a birthday gift.
Now its going to be back to the world of PC games. Where you have to buy the thing to find out it runs all choppy on your hardware or many of the cool visual effects are disabled etc. Now its back to having to go read a bunch of forums to see if Grand Theft Auto 19 is actually worth playing on my PlayStation 9 model 1B+ or if I really have to go invest in a PlayStation 9 model 2X or maybe a PlayStation 9 model 2X+ to enjoy it.
I don't see this as being terribly good for consumers.
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I know many will disagree with me but I liked the least common denominator aspect of consoles. It meant that you could go to the store bring the game home and just play it. It worked and played the way it did in the store or on the TV commercial. ... Where you have to buy the thing to find out it runs all choppy on your hardware or many of the cool visual effects are disabled etc.
I'm with you on this, because that's exactly the principle that got me into buying consoles rather than constantly fiddling with my computers. However, I've honestly had some issues with earlier Playstations. I can think of one PS3 game I've got that I've never finished, because there's a scene halfway through with some sort of memory error due to too many things on the screen. There are supposedly fixes, but I've never gotten them to work, and unlike a computer where I might add more RAM, on the PS3 I'm ou
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Granny just had to understand little Timmy has a PlayStation and this is a PlayStation title to buy him a birthday gift.
Right now Granny has to know which of the 4 versions of Playstations to target. Theoretically, the future would be just 'PlayStation' and the game will detect the capabilities of the console on which it is running and customise settings to cater for the setup.
Games for multiple consoles but not PC (Score:2)
Are console exclusives written anymore without ownership or heavy incentivization from the console manufacturers?
There were third-party games released on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 but not PC. One of these was Red Dead Redemption. There are also third-party games released on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One but not PC. One of these is Mortal Kombat XL. This number increases if your home PC runs anything other than Windows. Did you also mean to count handheld games for PlayStation Vita or Nintendo 3DS?
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I think OP m
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To improve the median quality of games available for their platforms, console makers do background checks on their authorized developers to ensure some minimal level of experience and financial stability. So if a developer is making the jump from PC or smartphones to consoles for the first time, its qualification to develop on one console might still be pending, and the game might hit one console's download store before the developer gets a chance to start on a port to the other(s).
If a third-party game is
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That doesn't make any sense.
The new ps4 provides playback for 4k bluray movies. The current/old ps4 only provides 1080hd playback of movies.
How does that effect or give advantage to someone in a game?
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it doesnt, except that the upscaler probably works for games as well. So you can output 4k for games, just upscaled from 1080. Not much of an advantage, then again many of the 4k sets Ive seen have horrible upscalers and anything but 4k looks like utter crap. So hopefully the xbones/ps4+++ upscaler does a better job
Re: The console advantage. (Score:2)
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Have you tried a PS4? You'll find your windows PC updates much more frequently. Sounds like you don't fire up the console all that often. Also, PS4 updates can download in the background while you play.
Game patches can also be downloaded while you play, though multiplayer games would require you to install the patch before playing.
If you don't want to play multiplayer, the subscription fee can be avoided.
Fixed hardware targets aren't quite as anachronistic as you think. Just ask Batman Arkham Knight pla
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This.
A thousand times this.
And it's not just that they wouldn't know and have to learn that now. That's basically been the problem since the days of the Atari 2600. Remember the train wreck its successor was, that 5200? Yes, it was "better". But nobody built jack shit for it. Because there were a ton of 2600 machines out there that would not be compatible, while the 5200 was compatible with 2600 games. So why the hell build for a console that was, first, not that much better, second, far more complicated to
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Because there were a ton of 2600 machines out there that would not be compatible, while the 5200 was compatible with 2600 games.
Just a tech-nit, but it was actually the 7800 that was the "next gen" 2600 that had backwards compatibility with games and utilized the same controllers.
The 5200 was a totally different and unique beast that wasn't forward or backward compatible with anything, used completely different shaped cartridges, and a different controller protocol and connector (it was analog input with a keypad of buttons and the new pause from the controller function)
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I agree with you mostly, but it seems to me that Sony has done it (based on the leaked info IIRC) as well as can be done -- no "high end version only" games, only ADDED features (e.g. VR).
Also, hasn't Nintendo had multiple different versions of GameBoys out at the same time very often? GBA, GBA SP, the various 3D ones, etc? I know not all of those were at the same time, but I thought they had multiple ones, that didn't always play all of the games, out at the same time... and the Wii U seemed to be the on
Death Rattle of an Industry (Score:1, Insightful)
I don't want console options or gimmicks. I want good games, at a reasonable price.
Log into the PS4 store sometime. Game bundles of €100+ are visible, or last gen cinematic crud like Uncharted, and "next-gen" FPS like Doom, which won praise for actually getting within shooting distance of gameplay from 15 years ago.
Consoles are a waste of money now. You can get 95%+ of all their shit on PC, cheaper, more conveniently, and more re
Re:Death Rattle of an Industry (Score:4, Insightful)
*sputter* Games that actually boot at launch? When was the last time you had a console? That's so last-gen. Or before-last-gen, even.
Today it's more like buying a new game and slipping it in. Waiting for the console to boot up. Finally realizing that hey, there is actually a medium in the reader but no, you get a selection screen. Because when you slip a medium in, it doesn't mean that you want to play the game, you could still be absolutely interested in our latest crap that we wanna hype! So you navigate to the "play the fucking game" option. Lucky you, btw, if you have a controller that doesn't require you to enter the 8 ballet positions to do so.
Then the game finds out that, hey, your system is too old for this game, you have to install an update! And since you're online, let's get that update from the server instead of the game medium because, you know, it could be more up to date! Wait for the download while we entertain you with more ads for more crap you don't give a shit about! Oh, and then, please reboot the system.
Waiting for the console to boot up. Finally realizing that hey, there is actually a medium in the reader... ...enter the 8 ballet positions to do so.
Game starts. Awesome! Erh... no, doesn't, because it's found out that there is a patch actually for it, let's download it, shall we? That was not really a question, dummy, that's more like when your boss "suggests" you should do something, just sit there, look pretty and watch some recommendations from our store! Oh, and of course, then it's again reboot time!
Waiting for the console ...
And then it's finally ... time to get some sleep, it's past midnight. But you might be able to play tomorrow!
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On the PC I can at least DO something sensible while the game is patching. And with Steam the whole point is made moot by simply updating the whole crap in the background (if you let it). And even if for some odd reason Game A doesn't start due to an update missing, I can not only just say "screw that update and let me play" (ok, at least as long as I want to play single player), I could also get it updated, playing Game B while I wait for that update to finish.
Anything like that on your console available?
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Anything like that on your console available?
Yes, that's how system and software updates have worked on the PS4 since 2013. Didn't you get the memo?
I take it you have some familiarity with consoles of the past but not the current generation?
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I didn't really want to buy a PS4, admittedly, I wasn't sure it would still play games half a year later should Sony decide that it shouldn't anymore.
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Funny comment, but that's not likely to happen, the PS4 is more focused on gaming than the PS3 was. And it is less annoying in regards to background updates and the like than the PS3 is.
I've been enjoying mine, a launch model with the HD upgraded to 2TB, it has most of the features I wished the PS3 had. Though it is lacking a bit in certain specific ways compared to the PS3.
I recently took some No Man's Sky screenshots on it, and while I usually copy my shots to an external drive for later batch upload
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The point is, Sony has demonstrated time and again that they revoke your right, sorry, privilege to use their console (it's theirs, not yours, even after you bought it) whenever they see fit. Why should I buy anything from a company like that?
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Time and again? That's a bit of an exaggeration there, don't you think? Are you referring to OtherOS, that was a single incident.
and AFAIK the only thing they consider a privilege is their network, not the console itself.
I did run OtherOS by the way, YDL, and moderated over on the YDL forums. Was a regular on the PS2 Linux forum as well. So I'm not unfamiliar with the issue you are probably referring to.
And as I've said many many times:
It is the users choice as to whether they keep OtherOS (and lose ac
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If you sell me something I have an expectation concerning its usefulness, features and abilities. Removing a feature after sale is fraud.
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The Experience you describe resembles last gen , not current gen, and it sounds more like the 360 than the PS3.
Though you CAN set a PS3 so that if a game is in, it will boot to it, and you won't see ads while an update is occurring And you can set the PS3 to check for updates while you're not using it, say at 4AM or something. (It is probably using cron behind the scenes)
Neither will you see ads during PS4 updates, which occur in the background, and you can play the game (Or another one) while it is updat
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You say this, then you rant about the stuff that's on the PS4 store.
I'm VERY MUCH more a "physical media" person than a digital download person, largely because it is the "backup", in that I can put it in another console too...
But games are often cheap enough on PSN that even I have been sucked into the digital download thing. I have even re-bought a few games that got CHEAP ENOUGH (literally a few dollars at most) to make i
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Well, you're in luck, you can actually vote for someone who is as eloquent and coherent.
And his messages are also rather direct, to the point and not really ambiguous. Even though they might change a few times in the next weeks, but they will be just as clear. Just saying the opposite.
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I'm really not a Nintendo fanboy, but they're the only console gaming company that doesn't suck these days.
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Nope, Nintendo sucks too. They pulled the DMCA out on the AM2R project because it was far superior to Federation Force in every single way and they couldn't stand being made to look bad by a single programmer.
Re: Don't buy Sony (Score:1)
They pulled DMCA on it in order to protect their IP. They always do this.
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Does that leave only select PC game developers that are open to licensing their works for amateur derivatives?
Re: Don't buy Sony (Score:1)
That is not even in the same fucking league. Nintendo shutting down stuff using their copyrights and trademarks is all they do, and that is a subset of Microsoft and Sony actions.
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Will games necessarily be locked out of 4K, or are most AAA games just too graphically complex for it? If the latter, then perhaps some of those cross-platform games that display in 1080p even on the slightly slower Xbox One might be patchable to display in at least 1440p on the revised PlayStation 4.
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No way it does 4k games (Score:2)
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Did you just time travel from 2002 with a PS2?
I have a PS4 that works fine without any ports forwarded to it. The PS3 also works without it, though IIRC some games worked slightly better with some ports forwarded. That was with my previous router, an old WRT54, though. It works just fine without forwarding with the current router.