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Student Arrested For Posting Zombie-Killing AR Game Clip Filmed at His High School (yahoo.com) 352

18-year-old high school student Sean Small was arrested in Indiana on Tuesday and charged with a misdemeanor for posting a videogame clip to social media. An anonymous reader quotes Yahoo Lifestyle: The clip in question is Sean playing The Walking Dead: Our World, which is an augmented reality game that animates characters into a real-world setting. In this case, players kill zombies. Along with Sean's video he wrote, "Finally something better than Pokemon Go," which is also an augmented reality game....

Sean, who is a member of the Indiana National Guard, pleaded not guilty to an intimidation charge. He was released on $1,000, and his school expulsion hearing is set for next week. The video featured other students walking through the halls as Sean allegedly attempted to kill the zombies the game placed among them.

Realistic footage of shootings in the high school's hallways apparently alarmed the off-duty sheriff's deputy hired to work at the high school -- who then filed the misdemeanor intimidation charge with the county prosecutor.
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Student Arrested For Posting Zombie-Killing AR Game Clip Filmed at His High School

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  • thought crimes (Score:5, Interesting)

    by stikves ( 127823 ) on Sunday August 26, 2018 @03:13AM (#57195958) Homepage

    There seems to be a grey area between fiction, and really harmful content. However the line between free speech, and being uncomfortable about something is very hard to draw.

    I'm not sure how to objectively draw a boundary. However if the game is setup to allow real life footage to be amended with zombie shooting, this would have happened sooner or later.

    How this finally plays out is actually important for the future boundaries of free speech.

    • Re:thought crimes (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26, 2018 @03:43AM (#57196008)

      I can't see a difficulty in differentiating fiction from reality. Zombies aren't real. Shooting them, therefore, cannot be real.
      A simple video of someone's game should not garner any response, other than if they are breaking any rules of the place where they filmed it.
      I can understand being confused with an AR game, but nothing in this case seems to point at intimidation, harassment or threat. The complaint is, I'm sure, in good faith, but as soon as the kid explains what it was nothing further should have happened.
      And I don't think this is about free speech, either. I see nothing about the kid's video hinting at threats, insults, etc. There is no speech of his that needs special exemption because it would otherwise be uncivil.
      This is an overreaction to nothing by multiple adults that should know better. If not about the game and games like it, at least about the kid's intent and reactions to the complaint.
      Reactions like these cannot become the norm.

      • Someone saw the game, connected the overheard and out of context terms "rifle" and "AR", and uncritically freaked the hell out.

        Seriously, sending your kid to public school is an act of parental malpractice these days.

        •   Seriously, sending your kid to public school is an act of parental malpractice these days.

          Maybe in Podunkville, Indiana that is even true! But in "blue states," the cop would be getting transferred, and the school district would be apologizing.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Lonewolf666 ( 259450 )

      I think it plays a big role if the fake fight against the zombies looked like that Sean attacked people for real. Part of the test would if the weapon looked real:
      A sword made of foam rubber is a lot less imtimidating than a real one. Here we have a objective criterion.
      Another criterion would be if he happened to run directly at people, or if he took care to "attack" only in empty parts of the hall.
      A third one would be if The Walking Dead was a common pastime at school. If yes, it would be reasonable to as

      • Looked at some footage now. It appears The Walking Dead in not even played with fake weapons. Oops.

        • Re:Update (Score:5, Funny)

          by magusxxx ( 751600 ) <magusxxx_2000 AT yahoo DOT com> on Sunday August 26, 2018 @06:17AM (#57196256)

          I'm upping a patch tonight to replace the weapons with grief counselors.

          *thrown*
          *hits zombie*

          Counselor: "How does that make you feel? Did you take the physical contact personally?"

          *Counselor pulls out a plush High School Musical doll*

          Counselor: "Where on Zach Efron did I touch you?"

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      There seems to be a grey area between fiction, and really harmful content.

      There's no grey area here. He was playing a game. If you're unable to distinguish between a game and reality then you're the one with the problem. The fact that you would even suggest that this is "really harmful content" is extremely worrying.

    • Re:thought crimes (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Sunday August 26, 2018 @04:46AM (#57196108) Homepage

      There seems to be a grey area between fiction, and really harmful content.

      Oh please, it's Pokemon Go with zombies. You walk around with your cell phone and click to kill zombies instead of capturing pokemons. Next thing you know Pokemon Go should be banned for having "battles" in public locations. OMG the carnage...

    • Re:thought crimes (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26, 2018 @05:13AM (#57196132)

      The fact that this was considered by *anyone* to be a crime is just fucking insane. Those people are the ones who need to be locked away as they obviously can't separate real life from fiction and are potentially dangerous in this state of hallucinatory delusion.

      • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

        by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday August 26, 2018 @05:49AM (#57196202)
        Comment removed based on user account deletion
        • by tepples ( 727027 ) <.tepples. .at. .gmail.com.> on Sunday August 26, 2018 @07:31AM (#57196496) Homepage Journal

          Schools have [zero tolerance] policies because it relieves them from having to think. Aren't all the grown-ups at a school supposed to be capable of critical thinking?

          School administrators are capable of critical thinking. The voters who elect the school board that hires school administrators, not so much.

        • Re:thought crimes (Score:4, Interesting)

          by Ogive17 ( 691899 ) on Sunday August 26, 2018 @09:08AM (#57196814)
          If parents (in general) were responsible the situation likely would never have reached this point. Too many drop their kids off and expect the school to raise them.

          I know many people who work for various school districts in the area, the school can try and do the "common sense" action by telling the student and the parents that it's not acceptable behavior and not to do it again. The problem now is that the parents blame the school and threaten lawsuits for trivial stuff. The schools protect themselves by having these "zero tolerance" policies.

          The baby boomers have passed their laziness and blame others mentality on to my generation. And it is our kids that must deal with this crap.
          • If parents (in general) were responsible the situation likely would never have reached this point.

            Re-read the story, Cluestick! The parents were never asked if they'd like to protect their child's civil liberties, instead the cop just decided on his own to violate them. You can't hang that on the parents.

        • by e3m4n ( 947977 )

          The real crime are the lawyers who invent these zero tolerance policies. It's not so much about not having to think, its more about avoiding drawn out litigation having to explain why in one case the punishment was X whereas in another the punishment is Y. Just about every insensitive, uncaring, policy you can name came from a discussion with the legal department. Add to that the loose interpretation of what qualifies, like the kindergartner that that at a pop tart into the shape of a gun and said bang, imm

      • in this state of hallucinatory delusion.

        It's Indiana. Personally, I'd hope the cop would get drug tested before testifying.

    • If you donâ(TM)t know how to define the boundary, please do not vote or run for political offices. The line is pretty clear: in the US, the bill of rights and constitution are the limits you are allowed to define. Sure, people will yell fire in a theater or shoot each other, thatâ(TM)s the price of freedom, the only other alternative always tends towards oppression and many more people die then. Look at National Socialism in Germany, Democratic Socialism in South America, Fascism in Asia, Italy an

    • I'm not sure how to objectively draw a boundary.

      Well, since he was charged with intimidation a logical place to start is "was anyone intimidated?". Since the game appears to involve walking while staring intently at your phone screen and occasionally tapping it then, if this is intimidating, a LOT of people are going to be guilty.

      • by jythie ( 914043 )
        However, the intimidation aspect came from posting the video, not playing the game.

        This is the classic problem of when students create fiction that involves real people.
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          This is the classic problem of when students create fiction that involves real people.

          Wait, wait, wait, are you saying that the zombies were real people?!?!

          At least one of us totally misunderstands this game.

    • More to the point. Why are we finding reasons to punish people?
      We spend billions of dollars to find reasons to be cruel to people.
      For some things you can just ask the person to stop and they will, you don’t need to make a big deal over it. Just so you can be cruel to the person who made a mistake.

    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      The boundary tends to be 'did you use real people?'

      Abstract fiction, even when violent, tends to be pretty straight forward. However this is a case where the game was using images of actual people around the player, and then the player posted a video of that artistic creation online.... which means the person posted a fantasy video of them gunning down actual fellow students. That is what crosses the line and makes people uncomfortable.

      Sorta like, if I wrote a story about beating up nameless slashdot p
    • ... the line between free speech, and being uncomfortable about something is very hard to draw.

      THAT line is not hard AT ALL. The right to free speech completely trumps any desire to be protected against discomforting ideas and images.

      There is an explicit constitutional right to free speech. The Supreme Court recognizes that it constitutes a complete ban on government action to even have a "chilling effect" on it, and has incorporated it against the States and all their components and subdivisions, which i

  • by Mr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) on Sunday August 26, 2018 @03:25AM (#57195980)

    And effective gun control is a must to remove the fear of shootings.

    That's all.

    • by Entrope ( 68843 )

      That is exactly backwards. Places don't get gun control unless there is a pervasive and lasting fear of shootings. That fear doesn't go away once the gun ban is in place, it just gets augmented with fears of knife attacks, acid attacks, vehicular homicide, bombing public places, and so on.

    • by msauve ( 701917 )
      "And effective gun control is a must to remove the fear of shootings."

      Sure, but I don't think the police are going to let you take their guns away.
  • Tip of the Iceberg (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mentil ( 1748130 ) on Sunday August 26, 2018 @04:05AM (#57196042)

    I expect this to get worse as AR becomes more commonplace. Imagine if it were a laser-tag AR game where he was shooting other students!
    People love their battle royale games, I expect there to shortly be location-based AR battle royale games; last survivor in your school wins!
    I'm honestly surprised that ~20 years after Postal, Pico's World, GTA and Super Columbine Massacre RPG, people still get their panties in a twist about games about killing sprees. Perhaps satire was the only thing that spared those games, anything that's halfway serious gets shouted down even by gamers.

    • by Etcetera ( 14711 )

      I tend to agree with this. Reading the article, I thought back to an aborted Doom2 WAD I was trying to build back in my first year or two of College, which would have been rather Downtown (Map 13)-like. This was before Columbine, but even after I don't think it would have caused an outcry like a modern AR game or a modern graphics game would.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26, 2018 @04:32AM (#57196094)

    To play this game you move around with your smartphone and click buttons in the smartphone's screen to destroy pixels which make up zombie images.
    Nobody in the school could have been intimidated by a student walking around waving his phone and clicking on it.

    This is not even a thought crime. A thought crime would be "I so would like to kill this teacher who makes such difficult exams". Killing zombies in real life (yes, I realize how absurd that was) is no crime, thus phantasies about it are not thought crimes.

  • vampirbg (Score:5, Interesting)

    by vampirbg ( 1092525 ) on Sunday August 26, 2018 @06:36AM (#57196306)
    A few guys in my high school did a similar thing with Doom in the 90s. Made a model of the school and some of the students, teachers etc as monsters and you could play a level killing them all. Nobody thought it was threatening. Don't see why this one would be?
  • What a dire threat. We wouldn't want zombies to feel uncomfortable but I don't understand why a dead zombie would be bothered by the threat of death. This type of action leads me to believe that our law makers are in fact zombies as they seem to never do anything and cause the population to pay them big bucks. That Trump guy might be a zombie. i always thought he was probably a space alien but maybe he really is a zombie. do other beings from other planets have alien zombies?
  • Few people seem to ask why we have school shootings, and the answer seems to be a combination of suicidal students, a hateful society, and massive media attention for the kid with a high score.

    We're giving people a choice between a lifetime of wage-slavery and stupidity, which they rationalize as "adulthood," and going out in a blaze of glory where everyone knows your name, your manifesto, your favorite bands, etc.

    Then there's the fact that public high schools are jails. Sort of like jobs. What kind of dyst

  • Glory, glory hallelujah
    teacher hit me with a ruler
    shot her behind a door
    with a loaded 44
    now teaches stands no more

    Went to the cemetery
    went to the grave
    instead of throwing flowers
    we threw hand grenades
    then we went to school
    and said we really had it made
    cause teacher stands no more.

    No student was suspended.
    No teacher was fired.
    It never made the front page of the paper.

    That year there were three school shootings.

  • I shudder to think what they would have done provided he show up in his national guard uniform!

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