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China To Force Changes To 20 Popular Games, Ban 9 Including Fortnite and PUBG (bbc.com) 183

An anonymous reader quotes a report from the BBC: A panel of censors set up to vet mobile video games in China has signaled it will be hard to please. State media reports that of the first 20 titles it assessed, nine were refused permission to go on sale. The Xinhua news agency added that developers of the other 11 had been told they had to make adjustments to remove "controversial content." The authorities have voiced concerns about the violent nature of some titles as well as worries about the activity being addictive.

It was announced in August that a new body -- the State Administration of Press and Publications -- had taken over responsibility for approving games and that it would limit the number of online titles available. And although it has not been specified, some experts are assuming that the new panel will operate under its auspices. Xinhua said it is comprised of gaming experts, government-employed researchers, and representatives from the media and video games industry. But it provided no other information about who they were or the titles they had already examined.
UPDATE: The list of games being examined by the ethics panel has been revealed by users on NGA, a Chinese gaming forum. A number of games, such as League of Legends, Overwatch, Diablo, and World of Warcraft, will need "corrective action," while others will be "banned/withdrawn" entirely. Some of the most popular prohibited titles include Fortnite and PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds (PUBG).
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China To Force Changes To 20 Popular Games, Ban 9 Including Fortnite and PUBG

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  • by Steve Jackson ( 4687763 ) on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @08:02AM (#57785212)
    Terrible, barbaric, tyrannical governments that censor every little thing, should be CUT OFF FROM THE WORLD. Sell them NOTHING. Change NOTHING for them. Tell them take it or LEAVE it.
    • by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @08:17AM (#57785264)

      Middle-class Chinese are traveling a lot these days. Let tourists discover what despite their new prosperity they can no longer have at home.

      • by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ) on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @09:16AM (#57785532)

        Middle-class Chinese are traveling a lot these days. Let tourists discover what despite their new prosperity they can no longer have at home.

        It is harder to organize dissent when everything you do is tracked and recorded. Not saying it won't happen, but it's a lot harder to organize a protest now than it was in the 1980's.

        • Middle-class Chinese are traveling a lot these days. Let tourists discover what despite their new prosperity they can no longer have at home.

          It is harder to organize dissent when everything you do is tracked and recorded. Not saying it won't happen, but it's a lot harder to organize a protest now than it was in the 1980's.

          They'll start doing it on holiday before their gov cracks down on foreign holidays.

          • by NettiWelho ( 1147351 ) on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @01:12PM (#57787134)

            They'll start doing it on holiday before their gov cracks down on foreign holidays.

            The new social credit score system keeps the ones in the country who might be interested in such things. Disagreeing with government bans you from using any kind of mass transit, loan or even your kids access to school.

        • The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Opportunist ( 166417 )

      But ... but ... but profit! Why do you hate capitalism?

    • Terrible, barbaric, tyrannical governments that censor every little thing, should be CUT OFF FROM THE WORLD. Sell them NOTHING. Change NOTHING for them. Tell them take it or LEAVE it.

      They outnumber us, and, well... the entire Western World. We don't cut them off from the world... they cut us off. If they ever come close to parity for production/earnings as the West they would easily be able to dominate the world. It's a shame about their government choice, for sure. I wish India would hurry up and modernize their economy and get to Western standards. Politically India is closer to the West in ideals and outlook. I'd much rather them dominate the world than China.

      Just like the US h

      • by lgw ( 121541 )

        If they ever come close to parity for production/earnings as the West they would easily be able to dominate the world. It's a shame about their government choice, for sure.

        They did not choose their government, and they'll never come close to us in terms of productivity per capita, because totalitarian regimes never do. You don't get much economic growth without freedom. China coasts on off-shored manufacturing and stolen innovation, but has very little non-export economy. There are a few tech companies like TenCent that have done a little on their own, but that's a tiny part of an economy (and they, too, got hit by this censorship).

        • "they'll never come close to us in terms of productivity per capita". What a load arrogant BS. You really think you are so much more productive and creative that they'll never come close to you??? lol

          I don't care what country you live in, doesn't matter, it's not a true democracy anyway. You also have to be deluded to think that China is totalitarian. Surprise!!! There's millions of people involved in their "totalitarian" government making all kinds of decisions on all levels. Just like yours, wherever you'

    • by ReneR ( 1057034 )
      Funny, I think you mixed China with USA there,
  • we need to ban olympics from them US / UN has that power

  • When I see how crazily obsessed children are with Fortnite, when I see some adults here, comparing a Fortnite ban to human rights violation, it makes me think that maybe banning this shit would be a good thing.

    GROW. UP.

    (And if we have to talk about what china are doing, let's talk about their violations of human rights)

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I dunno, I could see a Chinese made Sim Concentration Camp being a big hit. It's educational.

      NPC

    • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @08:27AM (#57785306)

      Man, authoritarians on all sides. Sucks to be a normal person who just wants to be free.

    • by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @08:37AM (#57785342) Journal
      If you are talking in terms of "they are right this time", i.e. "I'm against banning things... except the stuff I don't like", then perhaps you need to read up a bit about what human rights are and why we have them.
      • When did I ever say I am against banning things? Human rights are NOT about allowing us to buy everything we want like spoiled children. In fact, we trample over the human rights of others, just to buy things cheaper.

    • I take it you don't care about video games. What do you care about? Movies? Sports? What do you do when you have time off and want to relax, unwind and have a good time?

      Video games are, like all software, a product with a huge up front and a very tiny per-unit cost. In other words, your goal is to sell as many as possible, even more so than with any other product. Every unit sold, no matter how low the price, is higher than the cost per unit, so it counts towards profit.

      There is now a huge market in China.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Holi ( 250190 )
        OK, comparing a fucking video game ban to human rights violations is fucking ridiculous.

        "It's about China dictating what kind of entertainment will be produced for you"

        Really? how many video games are produced in China that make it to the world market?
        • by Anonymous Coward

          How many Hollywood movies now contain shoe horned in Chinese actors? Rogue One is one example. The flopped Independence day sequel os another. Yeah, it will never happen.

        • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @09:34AM (#57785642)

          IN China? Very few. FOR China? Very many.

          China is a huge market. And unlike the Euro/US market it is growing, rapidly so. And a market that the big studios still don't sell well in.

          Fanboys will gobble up next year's "Generic Game Title 19". They have shown time and again that they will, no matter whether the game is any good. They buy it. And defend it tooth and nail against anyone pointing out that the quality has been deteriorating for years. They will buy GGT19 even if it's a weak port of a phone game (because phone games is what sells in China).

          But the Chinese will only buy GGT19 if it's a phone game.

          So take a wild guess what GGT19 will be.

        • Is it though. It's not that different to burning books, and as the saying goes "where you burn books on Monday you burn people on Tuesday". Or something like that.

        • by Tadlon ( 5663296 )
          Reading comprehension is super important. He is saying studios here will build their games from the start to comply with what the Chinese market requires thus dictating games here.
    • by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ) on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @09:21AM (#57785572)

      When I see how crazily obsessed children are with Fortnite, when I see some adults here, comparing a Fortnite ban to human rights violation, it makes me think that maybe banning this shit would be a good thing.

      I hate Fortnight and PUBG and that whole genre of FPS games too!

      That's not what the worry is about, the worry is about yet another form of censorship from the world's largest market that will have impacts on us. It's getting to the point that what happens in China matters for the rest of the world. Just like people all over the world watch the American elections and dread which nincompoop gets elected this time, we're all going to start paying attention to China more- what China says and does has ripple effects throughout the world. Any move from China in the wrong direction means (in this global era) that it will impact what we have access to. And yes, Fortnight might be ridiculous crap, but even if you're more highbrow, your opera might be next, the ending has to change, or your films (no Asian allowed to be depicted as a villain- no capitalist or democratic sentiment in films).

      China is big enough now that the problems of China's citizens are our problems.

      • Europe also had a lot of video game censorship, see things like "contra" becoming "probotector" because of the ban on games depiciting direct killing of humans. This is nothing new.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Maybe I'm off the mark, but I think their concerns are less to do with how mindless or slacking culture it might be, and more about little psychological tricks used to keep people playing. While a ban is heavy handed, at the very least, games need to be put under the spotlight for this (as do social media platforms).

      • So does this mean American getting a taste of their own medicine? The rest of the world has had to put up with their cultural influence pushing their weirdo values for decades. Now we get Chinese weirdo values instead.

        • So does this mean American getting a taste of their own medicine? The rest of the world has had to put up with their cultural influence pushing their weirdo values for decades. Now we get Chinese weirdo values instead.

          In a way, yes; but surely you would have to agree that the Chinese government's control and influence is not something we would want anywhere in the West? As bad as America may have seemed to you and your country, would you prefer a totalitarian state passing their values around instead?

    • I know where you are coming from as I know kids of friends who are generally good but have had to have some punishments applied because Fortnite drove them to some sneakiness to get around parent imposed rules.

      But it seems to me that maybe this is useful, to have a real test of moral character around that can be used to temper otherwise soft individuals. It seems hard to even punish a kid these days, but no Fortnite for week or so is something that means something.

      I've played Fortnite myself a bit, off and

  • Someone suggested in the last thread on this subject that China should be lauded for trying to do something about this issue even if they are failing at other issues. I said it was hypocritical bullshit and they deserved zero praise for it. Today we see that I was 100% correct. Once PUBG and Battlegrounds were included it proved that this was not about protecting citizens, but about crushing competition. Shame on you if you thought otherwise.

    • by Rolgar ( 556636 )

      PUBG is from Tencent which is a Chinese company, so they are banning a game that makes money from around the world to bring into the Chinese economy. Interesting that they would make this move that hurts a Chinese company as well as it's non-Chinese competitor. It almost seems they did this more based on other factors.

      • It almost seems they did this more based on other factors.

        You can be sure that the other factors are also economic, but relate to bribery and not profit.

  • by geekymachoman ( 1261484 ) on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @08:23AM (#57785290)
    Cut them off. Spare them the trouble of sifting through content and them deciding what should be allowed and what not. Maybe their citizens start rebelling then, but probably not, so just keep it up.
    • But who's gonna build all our crap then? India? Do you really want that? Product and support, all in one hand?

    • I love to read these posts from Holier than thou 'Muricans preaching to the rest of us. Oh how you love to point the finger, don't you?
      I seem to recall, quite recently in your past in fact, y'all committing crimes against humanity. Japanese prison camps anyone?
      Torture at GitMo anyone? Starting the conflict in Syria then acting like you're good guys? Iraq? Iran? Afghanistan? You just love to stir shit up break things and then tell everyone else how shitty they are.

      BTW, I am not sure if you know this, but Ger

      • When you step down off your soap box, you should look to your own critical thinking skills, and look up Whataboutism [wikipedia.org].

      • by Puls4r ( 724907 )
        And while you're thinking about improving your critical thinking skills and learning what "whataboutism" is, why don't you also go realize that our goverment officials really don't represent the people very well. Classifying Americans into a group like you are is exactly like saying the Chinese government represents the will of the people there. It'd be very very wrong.
        • hahaha... Classic 'Murican. Says the representative government that he voted for is not a reflection of the people.
          That is EXACTLY what it is. If you keep electing asshats... well.. you're an asshat, asshat.

    • Cut them off.

      Will you pay for the lost income?

  • I mean, how dare Firaxis not make the Chinese military units in Civilization more powerful than everyone else. They need to update that game for the Chinese market, so whoever plays that character always wins!

  • Fortnite being produced by Epic Games, which is 40% owned by Chinese Tencent, I'm a little surprised at the Fortnite ban. I guess "fantasy violence" they're ok with, but anything with "normal" guns must be a no-no.
  • by nehumanuscrede ( 624750 ) on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @10:31AM (#57785942)

    It seems China has the same issues the United States has in that folks with kiddos either:

    1) Don't know how or
    2) Don't want to be bothered

    with actually being a parent.

    The simple fix for that Fortnite addiction is to simply not allow them to play it for excessive amounts of time.

    You know. . . . BE a parent.

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  • My concern is that Chinese censorship will end up restricting what is available for the remainder of the world. It's going to be a growing, insidious problem that will hamper most forms of media.
  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @11:03AM (#57786166)
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    • For once I'm not mad at China.

      And the Chinese communist party's next demand will be censoring you on every platform connected to any kind of public network for bring up their crimes. After that they'll demand you to be given no credit at the bank and no access to air-travel or trains.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Out of all of the comments here, none of them actually discuss some of the reasons that these games are up for review.

    Notably, one of those reasons, would make Slashdot fall of the face of China: "Inharmonious chat"

    Actually, this is a VERY legitimate reason for reform in the gaming community and on the internet in general. A lot of games fail because their communities are full of toxic players and that's becoming pretty much the bane of the internet these days. Anyone comparing Slashdot from 15 years ago to

  • Application should detect if game is the under test and display teletubbies. Once player takes over - go full nine yeards.
  • It teaches you how to think. Flying sticks - verry violent. You can cheat - fraud. Phallic objects - sexual content. Don't even get me started that you are controlling game play not the government.
  • >Ban 9 Including Fortnite and PUBG

    Sweet! No more Chinese screaming, "CHINAH NUMBAH ONE!" in pubg voice.

  • ... doubleplusungood. Comply in shutting them down, adjusting them according to the standards of the ministry of love or be collected for immediate recycling at the biomatter tanks in your district.

    Thank you for your cooperation citizen. And remember: Big Mao is watching you.

  • You'll have to start censoring for everyone....and I have a pretty damn good feeling plenty of people here...who already don't give a fuck about freedom of expression; would be more than willing to put the screws to these companies.

    It's better to maintain your integrity, stand behind your product, and tell China to go fuck itself.


    But the problem is money talks...and it's become more and more clear that game publishers don't really give two shits about what gamers want...they just want money.

    This is th

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