Microsoft Will Not Bring x64 Emulation to Windows 10 on ARM (thurrott.com) 46
Microsoft has confirmed that x64 emulation will no longer be offered in future Windows 10 Insider Preview builds (or release builds). Paul Thurrott reports: "We have received questions about the status of x64 emulation in Windows 10," a Microsoft spokesperson told me. "Microsoft wants to share an update that x64 emulation for Windows is only generally available in Windows 11. For those interested in experiencing x64 emulation, a PC running Windows 11 on Arm is required. Microsoft is committed to supporting customers on Windows 10 on Arm through October 14, 2025."
Microsoft announced the availability of x64 emulation in Windows 10 on ARM in the Windows Insider Program last December, before Windows 11 existed, but the original post has now been updated to note that this support is only available in Windows 11 on ARM. "x64 emulation for Windows is now generally available in Windows 11," Microsoft says. "For those interested in experiencing this, a PC running Windows 11 on Arm is required." And let's get real here. Windows on ARM won't be viable until Qualcomm ships its next-generation Nuvia-based chipsets for PCs anyway. And today, the firm revealed that that won't happen until the end of 2023 at the very earliest.
Microsoft announced the availability of x64 emulation in Windows 10 on ARM in the Windows Insider Program last December, before Windows 11 existed, but the original post has now been updated to note that this support is only available in Windows 11 on ARM. "x64 emulation for Windows is now generally available in Windows 11," Microsoft says. "For those interested in experiencing this, a PC running Windows 11 on Arm is required." And let's get real here. Windows on ARM won't be viable until Qualcomm ships its next-generation Nuvia-based chipsets for PCs anyway. And today, the firm revealed that that won't happen until the end of 2023 at the very earliest.
Not surprised... (Score:5, Interesting)
A lot of things were announced for Windows 10 21H2 but got moved to Windows 11 instead when they decided to do 11.
Bad title (Score:5, Insightful)
The title of this post should be "Microsoft will make x86 emulation on ARM available for Windows 11 only"
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The title of this post should be "Microsoft will make x86 emulation on ARM available for Windows 11 only"
That would not be accurate because 32-bit x86 emulation will still be supported on Windows 10. What is lost is 64-bit x86, or what is often called x64, emulation for Windows 10. This means people running their old Windows apps will still be able to do so if there is a 32-bit version, and I suspect this is true for a great many apps on the market.
I have to wonder how long it will take for someone to write some kind of emulation layer for running x84 apps on Windows 10 for ARM. Just how many people are aff
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I have to wonder how long it will take for someone to write some kind of emulation layer for running x84 apps on Windows 10 for ARM.
Well, Codeweavers already did it (32 and 64 bit Windows emulation) for the M1 Mac, and I would expect it'd be somewhat easier for ARM Windows...
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I have to wonder how long it will take for someone to write some kind of emulation layer for running x84 apps on Windows 10 for ARM.
Well, Codeweavers already did it (32 and 64 bit Windows emulation) for the M1 Mac, and I would expect it'd be somewhat easier for ARM Windows...
Not really, they run their Crossover product atop Apple's Rosetta 2 which does the actual x86-atop-Arm emulation.
Re:Fatiguing rubbish (Score:5, Insightful)
Just the CPU requirements are so absurd.
The two generations of Intel CPU that came before the required 8th generation are not significantly slower or less capable, yet they were excluded.
Windows has always been, throughout its history, about being able to run on many-years-old hardware. If you chose to run Windows on a slow PC, you might have a less-than-optimal experience, but it would run, with full security patches.
In a way, I can understand Microsoft wanting to leave some older hardware behind so they don't have to support it, but the fact that they placed the line so recently is extremely unlike them, and will alienate many users. PCs are lasting longer than ever.
Re:Fatiguing rubbish (Score:5, Informative)
PCs are lasting longer than ever.
I think that's the point. Years ago although Windows would "run" on older hardware, it was often so slow as to be unusable which created an incentive for buying new hardware.
Now a system several years old is more than adequate for most typical use cases, users have very little reason to replace it. Even if a system is slow, upgrading to an SSD or adding more RAM is usually a cheap way to improve performance significantly.
So MS is trying to create artificial reasons to keep their hardware OEMs happy.
Re:Fatiguing rubbish (Score:5, Informative)
My machine is five years old, cost under $1000 all in, and is still running Windows 7.
My next machine will have this machine's Windows install booting as a VM, and run Linux on the metal. And that's my last Windows for the foreseeable future.
I would have happily upgraded to 8 if they hadn't screwed the interface. I would have happily upgraded to 10 if they hadn't made it spyware. But then I guess they'd have had no reason to give it away, either.
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Also, Wine works for a lot of use cases really nicely.
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I'm on Windows 8. 7 is on life support for security fixes now, but I upgraded to 8 years ago anyway because it supports self-encrypting SSDs.
The interface in 8 is fine. I never see the Metro stuff. I have a start menu replacement and everything else is disabled. It's basically like 7 but with better high DPI support for 4k monitors.
My machine is 9 years old (well, most of it is), and I don't feel much need to upgrade. When AMD finally get their act together with mobile Ryzen and Thunderbolt (and ideally ECC
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Windows 9 is an option.
Best of both worlds, Win7 UI, Win 10 driver base
(It's Windows 8.1 industry embedded pro with a win 7 UI on top)
No spyware, no live tiles, no store, none of that crap. Security updates only. Supported until (IIRC) 2025
Best OS MS never (officially) made.
I run it on my main PC, it's a delightful OS.
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Where did you find it? Or is there some tool that you download that assembles it for you?
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Windows has always been, throughout its history, about being able to run on many-years-old hardware.
Horseshit. Windows has always been throughout its history a piece of software that people upgraded when they bought a new PC and otherwise used in perpetuity without change.
The idea that you should upgrade to a new Windows OS is something very recent, and even back in the days of Vista upgrading an older PC was risky as fuck. Windows 7 was the first version that ran somewhat okay on hardware if Vista also ran well. But otherwise no, throughout history you did *not* go out and upgrade to the latest shiny.
Tha
Windows emulation on Apple silicon? (Score:1)
Take the opportunity (Score:4, Insightful)
It's a chance to move away from Windows.
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Why the fuck wouldn't you move away from windows?
ftfy
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and you have facts?
Yes, absolutely. Linux is better than Windows. My refrigerator OS is better than Windows. QED.
that is pure utter idiotic zealotry.
Stop with your anger, it's going to give you high blood pressure. I'm only saying this for your own good.
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Yes, absolutely. Linux is better than Windows. My refrigerator OS is better than Windows. QED.
Subjective opinion isn't fact.
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What's your metric? Windows is going to win if the criteria is what OS can you walk into walmart and buy, or if it's I need to run this complicated Windows program that requires a kernel driver to function. On most other bases it loses. So how are you judging? Value is subjective.
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Throughout the history of humanity, and even lately, if you look at the whole vaccination/pandemic mess, it seems like zealotry, or at least emotional propaganda, works much better than facts.
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You're right, people have to stop bending to the will of these mega-corporations! Free yourselves and buy a Mac!
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I can't wait for the "Valve Index 2.0" or whatever the name's going to be, because (relatively) low-cost Linux-based VR means future games will either be for Facebook, Apple and Valve headsets. Since we still haven't heard anything about XBox VR support, that means XBox will die within a decade unless they change direction.
Microsoft Windows is going to disappear from homes and stay in the corporate world where it belongs, where there's an IT team to manage all the security and all that crap.
Three fricking adverts for MICROS~1 (Score:3)
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If you are having problems with news about things nerds are interested in, I suggest you join a knitting forum instead. The rest of us are actually interested in the movement from x86 / x64 to ARM on the desktop and what unreasonable impediments vendors are putting in the path of users.
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Tell that to Mac M1 users.
Thank God for the speed of light limit (Score:3)
Otherwise, pretty much everything would be mandatorily executed on cloud servers by now. Every keystroke, every mouse movement.
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Yeah, it would be really really terrible if my PC at home was the size of a USB Thumb drive and I could use it from any screen that I own from any device maker: Apple, Microsoft, Dell etc.... /sarcasm
Since the pandemic broke out I've been working over Parsec on my workstation in the office. It's awesome. My home work PC is just a thin client fast enough to decode 4:4:4 h265. If I could have an ultra low latency h.265 decoder and a USB hub for webcams, microphones, speakers and things I would be set.
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Yes, it would - that thumb drive would be how commercial interests keep you under their thumb in the interests of protecting revenue. Everything important would be only available remotely.
Thanks for the pointer to Parsec - looks like Unity's buying it.
Who wants Windows on ARM anyway? (Score:2)
Faster than Intel (Score:2)
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I can buy an ARM laptop for $999 that beats a quad core Intel processor at running x86 code.
At running what x86 code?
Is MS screwing over or just coercing? (Score:2)
I'd understand that Microsoft would want as many users as possible to use Windows 11, but are they also screwing over old customers that got on the bandwagon too early?
* Are there Windows 10/ARM machines can't be upgraded to Windows 11?
* Is there any reason that you'd not want to upgrade a Windows 10/ARM machine to Windows 11?
You're not getting your pudding until you've eaten (Score:2)