Grand Theft Auto VI Will Have Female Main Character, New Map Focused on Fictionalized Miami (bloomberg.com) 148
An anonymous reader shares a report: After a public controversy four years ago, Rockstar, the maker of Grand Theft Auto, is reinventing itself as a kinder, gentler company. But employees aren't sure it can still produce the chart-topping caliber of game the studio has become known for. The development of Grand Theft Auto VI has been slower than impatient fans and even longtime employees have expected, despite morale across the company being higher than ever, according to many staffers. Between the company's new direction and the 2019 departure of Dan Houser, who led creative direction on many previous games, all indications suggest Grand Theft Auto VI will feel very different than its predecessor.
The game will feature a playable female protagonist for the first time, according to people familiar with the matter. [...] Industry analysts anticipate that the next Grand Theft Auto will be out sometime in Take-Two's 2024 fiscal year, which runs from April 2023 through March 2024, but developers are skeptical. The game has been in development in some form since 2014. Although there are loose schedules in place, people interviewed for this article said they didn't know of any firm release date and that they expect the game to be at least two years away. [...] The game's new map is now focused on a fictional version of Miami and its surrounding areas. Rockstar's plan is to continually update the game over time, adding new missions and cities on a regular basis, which leadership hopes will lead to less crunch during the game's final months.
The game will feature a playable female protagonist for the first time, according to people familiar with the matter. [...] Industry analysts anticipate that the next Grand Theft Auto will be out sometime in Take-Two's 2024 fiscal year, which runs from April 2023 through March 2024, but developers are skeptical. The game has been in development in some form since 2014. Although there are loose schedules in place, people interviewed for this article said they didn't know of any firm release date and that they expect the game to be at least two years away. [...] The game's new map is now focused on a fictional version of Miami and its surrounding areas. Rockstar's plan is to continually update the game over time, adding new missions and cities on a regular basis, which leadership hopes will lead to less crunch during the game's final months.
Hopeful it will be about Belle Starr or Ma Baker (Score:2)
and not some aweful female gangsta cliché inspired by contemporary rappers.
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I can't wait for all the complaints about the sex scenes.
(will I be able to go full lesbian?)
Re: Hopeful it will be about Belle Starr or Ma Bak (Score:1, Funny)
Either way they've failed. If they're trying to be diverse, they haven't tried hard enough. They need it to tell a story of a transnonbinarypoc struggling with her gender identity as she rises from being a petty thug to a criminal mastermind mafia leader. Transnonbinarypocs can be criminal mastermind mafia leaders too, you know, and her followers will have to learn to be accepting or else they'll get whacked.
Re: Hopeful it will be about Belle Starr or Ma Bak (Score:5, Insightful)
...followed 2 seconds later by the outcry why a poc is cast as a criminal.
Re: Hopeful it will be about Belle Starr or Ma Ba (Score:3, Insightful)
Not a commentary on trans people dude, just a commentary on diversity for diversity sake.
Re: Hopeful it will be about Belle Starr or Ma B (Score:2)
Which I find a bit odd, as GTA is not exactly known for political correctness.
Re: Hopeful it will be about Belle Starr or Ma Ba (Score:4, Insightful)
Actually the thing I had on my mind while writing on that was that whole trope on the walking dead where they have these really bad guys that seem to be super respectful of things like gay rights, race, religion, etc. It just doesn't really fit the motif. In other words, they're trying to give sociopaths a conscience, when pretty much by definition they have none.
Likewise GTA, which is all about doing bad things for fun, just doesn't strike me as being the kind of place where you want to bring up those themes when the theme of the game itself is all about doing the wrong thing.
At the end of the day, I don't care if they want a female character mob boss, it just seems to me that the company is going out of its way to redeem itself somehow, and I'm sarcastically saying they haven't gone far enough.
Re: Hopeful it will be about Belle Starr or Ma B (Score:2)
Oh and I almost forgot
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rk... [youtube.com]
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Actually the thing I had on my mind while writing on that was that whole trope on the walking dead where they have these really bad guys that seem to be super respectful of things like gay rights, race, religion, etc. It just doesn't really fit the motif. In other words, they're trying to give sociopaths a conscience, when pretty much by definition they have none.
Likewise GTA, which is all about doing bad things for fun, just doesn't strike me as being the kind of place where you want to bring up those themes when the theme of the game itself is all about doing the wrong thing.
At the end of the day, I don't care if they want a female character mob boss, it just seems to me that the company is going out of its way to redeem itself somehow, and I'm sarcastically saying they haven't gone far enough.
I think you've missed the point about GTA, it's always been about taking the piss. None of this was more obvious than Michael's therapy sessions in GTA V.
They've also been vocal about taking the piss out of the precious, snowflake incel crowd by overtly supporting things like gay rights, race, et al. whilst simultaneously allowing the player character to do what you define as bad things. I suspect it's because the company is Scottish and you don't understand the kind of cheeky humour that the Scottish ar
Re: Hopeful it will be about Belle Starr or Ma Bak (Score:5, Insightful)
Fragile egos can't handle it when something isn't about them. The minute we talk about women or people of color or trans people, some middle aged white dude shows up to bitch about how the world is going to hell and he's sick and tired of all the politics. After a while we dog pile on anyone that even hints of this self-centered pattern even if it wasn't originally what the person meant.
Don't worry. We as a society tend to swing to extremes, overcorrecting at times, before we find some middle ground where we seem to get it right. As a general principle, treat all people as people with the basic level of respect you'd afford any other person. Regardless of their gender, race, sexual orientation, height, weight, whatever. And maybe, just maybe, they'll also go around treating others with a basic level of respect. The alternative of whining about every change in social convention as a personal attack isn't going to fly anymore.
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Fragile egos can't handle it when something isn't about them. The minute we talk about women or people of color or trans people, some middle aged white dude shows up to bitch about how the world is going to hell and he's sick and tired of all the politics.
Wasn't the protagonist from GTA San Andreas black? That game was released in 2004 and did just fine.
Get over yourself, please.
I was speaking generally but ... (Score:2)
We had a black president once, so racism is over. Good job everybody. *golf-clap*
In 2004, people were barely aware of Facebook and Twitter didn't exist. Back when nobody was organizing some kind of mass anti-woke attack on entertainment and games. It's almost like two decades have gone by and the world is a little bit different. Imagine that.
P.S. the insufferable white male trope is just one point on a broad spectrum of stupid and insufferable behavior.
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Wokism is bad, but not for this reason.
Wokism is bad because we're suddenly finding that we have to delete commonly used words from the English language because some people find them offensive where they didn't find them offensive 10 years ago. And I'm not talking about slang words, I'm talking about words like "master", so we can no longer have a master bedroom, a master repository, or a master key. Instead we have to use the less descriptive and distinctive word "main". Apparently there's also some kind o
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I feel like my earlier post describing swinging to extremes already covered this ground without having to look like an asshole.
Re: Hopeful it will be about Belle Starr or Ma Ba (Score:2)
Riiight, which is why everyone demanded Franklin be excised from GTAV and barely anyone bought GTA:SA.
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Do you think it has something to do with how woman or poc are being specifically chosen for political reasons, and not simply to tell a story? Even going so far to replace the gender and ethnicity of established characters? Unfortunately these things have been so politicized, that it's the norm to expect any female+poc character to be associated with woke culture. It has invaded nearly all entertainment, especially big franchises. So now it's just expected, but only time will tell if this is just "woke" gar
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Re: Hopeful it will be about Belle Starr or Ma Ba (Score:2)
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I'm hoping it will be the whole Kardouchian family.
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Buy a ticket to one of her shows. Close enough.
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Then I gotta wait in line with other shmucks.
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Because when you want torture you want to be picky about what kind of torture? You're a very particular type of sadomasochist, aren't you?
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There's not many people who get off on queuing. (Other than maybe those who get "too close" to the people around them.)
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Saint's Row delivered on that one long ago in GTA clone format.
Incidentally last installments in that series of games are also hell of a lot more fun than classic GTA format. YMMV.
Meh (Score:2)
I rather have Saint Row V. That way I can play as what I want and have a fun time.
Assuming gender (Score:1)
How do we now that the main character identifies as female?
This means DLCs, right? (Score:3)
"Rockstar’s plan is to continually update the game over time, adding new missions and cities on a regular basis, which leadership hopes will lead to less crunch during the game’s final months"
yea no. please be wrong
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GTA5/GTA-Online is already the "World of Warcraft killer", it's the most successful single piece of media ever created by revenue, $6 billion so far.
As much as I don't like the monetization formula it has taken they have no market reason to mix up that formula, only expand on it further.
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https://www.dsogaming.com/news... [dsogaming.com]
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Interesting, thanks. I suppose speed has something to do with it as well, can't believe WoW was released in 2004. It'd be going to college this year.
I suppose the lesson is, especially if WoW is the metric to hit, that the business model of expansion packs and DLC is the way to make money so we can't really complain too much when companies try to emulate that.
Wish they would branch out locations more (Score:3)
The article states they wanted to include South America as well, which makes some sense since they already did that for Max Payne 3, but have pared it back. Outside of the very first GTA games everything has been in like 3 very American locales:
GTA3 - "Liberty City" aka New York City
Vice City - Miami
San Andreas - Basically LA but more of an amalgamation of CA cities
GTA4 - Liberty City again
GTA5 - Los Angeles, again
Now we are back to Miami again. Maybe it's just me but I was hoping for something a little more out of the norm. They did London in an earlier game, I've always wanted to see them return to that with a modern approach, especially with the craziness of London roads and it's chock full of landmarks and set pieces.
Since this is obviously a Vice City follow-up it's too bad Ray Liotta just died, would have been a nice reference to make him the antagonist, even just in voice but imagine the mob boss you are taking down in Tommy Vercetti himself.
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Why not have Mormon missionaries go AWOL and terrorize people on bicycles. You're having a relaxing dinner, then knock knock...
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The article states they wanted to include South America as well, which makes some sense since they already did that for Max Payne 3, but have pared it back. Outside of the very first GTA games everything has been in like 3 very American locales:
GTA3 - "Liberty City" aka New York City
Vice City - Miami
San Andreas - Basically LA but more of an amalgamation of CA cities
GTA4 - Liberty City again
GTA5 - Los Angeles, again
Now we are back to Miami again. Maybe it's just me but I was hoping for something a little more out of the norm. They did London in an earlier game, I've always wanted to see them return to that with a modern approach, especially with the craziness of London roads and it's chock full of landmarks and set pieces.
Since this is obviously a Vice City follow-up it's too bad Ray Liotta just died, would have been a nice reference to make him the antagonist, even just in voice but imagine the mob boss you are taking down in Tommy Vercetti himself.
RS said years ago that they wouldn't do a(nother) GTA outside of the US. Arguably, there would be few places suitable for it. Maaaaybe Australia but I suspect a lot of Australiana would go over people's heads and there'd be so many c*nts that Billy Butcher would blush, the censors heads would be blown clear off.
If you've ever driven in London, you'd know exactly why a driving game there would never work and driving is core to GTA. The main reason I didn't like GTA IV is because driving in fake NYC is alm
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Thanks for the down low on that, it does make sense thematically since GTA is kinda built on being a satire of American culture. Modern Miami just feels a little, unremarkable to me outside the South Beach area but one could easily say the same about Los Angeles and that worked so RS can probably make anything work but if it has to be America I think Chicago is probably the next most "iconic" US city for something like that.
To me I think you could do something neat with London driving for that very reason,
Female/male, doesn't matter (Score:2)
Will the game be fun? Immersive?
GTA V worked because the missions were fun, the writing was entertaining and clever, and the environment was extremely well done. I still fire it up every now and then just to drive around Los Santos.
I couldn't care less about the sex of the protagonists. If they choose to make that central to the game I fear they'll have lost sight of what made the prior games so good.
Re:Female/male, doesn't matter (Score:4, Informative)
I couldn't care less about the sex of the protagonists. If they choose to make that central to the game I fear they'll have lost sight of what made the prior games so good.
From the linked to article
"The game will feature a playable female protagonist for the first time, according to people familiar with the matter. The woman is Latina and will be one of a pair of leading characters in a story influenced by the bank robbers Bonnie and Clyde."
So you can play as male or female, your choice.
It kind of stands to reason it would allow the player to chose their sex as well given that almost every RPG does nowadays and I've never seen said choice become central to the game's experience.
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We really don't know but coming off GTA5 I imagine you will play as both characters similar to how you played all 3 characters in GTAV. Sometimes there are solo missions, sometimes with 2 or 3 of the characters. It was an interesting dynamic with some clever concepts (like when you switched to another character between missions they would actually be out in the world doing something).
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Trevor was my absolute favorite in this regard. You never know what you're jumping into. I once switched over to him in a tutu on the dam. No explanation as to why, so I left him in that tutu until some mission changed his apparel.
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Ha, the fact that I havent played the last few GTAs is showing!
If that's how they've done their games in the past I'd wager you're on point.
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You'd hope not, but we've seen other venues be so proud of their inclusivity that they forget to be entertaining ( Dr Who, I'm looing at you ).
The plot concept sounds like fun. I hope they surpass GTA V.
They can be saints... (Score:2)
Or make absolute controversy by allowing the player to for example do prostitution jobs
you have to be female to be a prostitute? (Score:2)
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If you need help paying off your mortgage, let me know.
JSON in Miami (Score:2)
I hope they have fixed loading times this time around..
https://nee.lv/2021/02/28/How-... [nee.lv]
I am looking forward to seeing what they do with Miami this time though.
Going to Miami after playing Vice City was a bit of a "hey, I know this!"-experience. They did well.
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My wife still laughs at me because I was able to drive around to places in LA based on playing GTA V. They do a great job of mixing real locations with something that isn't too big to be fun.
Good to know, I will have a playthrough of GTA V before going to LA.
Who asked? (Score:1)
How many actual customers asked for "a playable female protagonist for the first time" ? My guess is approximately zero.
I tried playing San Andreas. I found it boring because I couldn't relate to "thug culture". I don't think I played it more than an hour or two before saying "fuck it".
Vice City is where it's at.
That is all.
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How many actual customers asked for "a playable female protagonist for the first time" ? My guess is approximately zero.
I tried playing San Andreas. I found it boring because I couldn't relate to "thug culture". I don't think I played it more than an hour or two before saying "fuck it".
Vice City is where it's at.
That is all.
Glad I am not alone in this opinion.
Vice city had it all. Fun missions, multiple paths to completion, awesome soundtrack. So I bought San Andreas when it came out, and the missions were dull, the music sucks(Subjective, I know.). They had added this weird mechanic where you needed to go to the gym to stay in shape. WTF? If I wanted to go the the gym, I would just go the the gym.
Played for about 2 days and quit, never to return. Vice City I am playing again now. For at least the 10th time.
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San Andreas was boring. GTA V was not though.
But for sure my favorites are GTA Vice City and GTA IV, both had compelling story lines.
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Agree on GTA4, I know it has some gameplay issues but Niko Bellic was probably the most relatable and human of the GTA main series protagonists. The other games have fun and outsized characters to play but he was probably the closest they ever got to having a main character with some earned empathy
Re: Who asked? (Score:2)
Same, I bought that game really wanting to like it but I could not get passed the first few missions, it just bored the hell out of me. I intended to play it further but just never got around to it. I never even played GTA 4. I bought 5 just recently, haven't started playing yet though.
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To paraphrase, if I'm wandering around in 3rd person, do I want to have a man's ass in my face? No. Nudity mods will be the first thing released.
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Customers no, critics sure.
But then, that's kind of tautological. People who are offended by a game aren't going to give you money to play it. In theory, complying with those people's wishes might bring in some of them and widen the audience ($$).
need to do Chicago! (Score:4, Insightful)
need to do Chicago!
Welcome to 2008... (Score:2)
...when you could play a male, female or anything between protagonist in Saints Row 2.
About the time the Simpsons introduced Poochie (Score:1)
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We at Rockstar want a character with attitude. She's edgy, she's "in your face." You've heard the expression, "let's get busy"? Well, this is a character who gets "biz-zay!" Consistently and thoroughly.
Why stop there? (Score:2)
A good story is a good story .... (Score:2)
I had a lot of fun playing the GTA games over the years. But frankly, when it got all "ghetto", it kind of lost me. I mean, the original mobster theme was one thing - but the street gang / thug theme was less relatable and interesting. I mean, it not only had lots of cliches, but just some brain-dead mini-games (like working out in the virtual gym, which was just some button-mashing).
The *real* reason the GTA franchise is well-liked has more to do with the expansive, interactive maps than anything else, IMO
So... (Score:2)
...it's really going to be more about crashing cars, then?
Warning sticker (Score:2)
I hope they will now start putting a warning sticker on such games: "Notice to parents: this game contains woke content."
Re:I haven't played since San Andres.. (Score:5, Insightful)
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The last Beth game was F76 and F4 before that. MS didn't have any part to play in their decline. Skyrim was the last decent thing the company made.
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I really don't understand the hate out there. People got a chip on their shoulders that FO3 wasn't a top down isometic game and they haven't gotten rid of it. Then FO:NV was essentially the same engine, with lots more bugs, and those haters ate it up and applauded as proof that Bethesda was full of morons and Obsidian employees were demigods. But frankly, I have more fun replaying FO3 than FO:NV, and some of the New Vegas writing is just amazingly cringy. Then FO4 just seemed to raise the stakes, the ha
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FO4 was great. Stop hating, you'll live longer.
Re: I haven't played since San Andres.. (Score:2)
F4 was mediocre. Not bad, but not good either. The vanilla game is utterly ehh. The decline from Skyrim was pretty apparent and F76 showed it to be a continous downward trend rather than a one off thing. Also, releasing the same game 7 times in 8 years(Skyrim) with bugs present from day one that were never patched which the community patched on their own less than three months from initial release was a clue as well.
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What's with the Fallout 4 hate? It was (and still is) a fantastic game.
76 definitely had some launch issues and questionable decisions, but it seems like those have largely been corrected for - I'm actually willing to give it a go now, where there was no way I was going to even try at launch when it seemed like it was just a sandbox for griefers to try to fuck each other over... which actually is pretty much canon with the Fallout universe, really.
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Honestly I think certain people love NV because it has a blatantly sexist, authoritarian faction you can join, and kill off the burgeoning multi-cultural democracy of the NCR. And then they play Fallout 4 and have to put up with a black guy giving them endless quests.
It's also a hipster thing. They know Fallout 4 is popular, and so they hate it to prove how much more refined their taste is than ours.
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Fallout 4 lets you play as a female lead character, how is that less "woke" than this?
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The original comment wasn't about the female lead, yours was, but I'm the one "bringing it up".
So you have played GTA6? That's pretty cool that you have such early access, you should share about how much the politics has affected the gameplay and asset quality. You should tell us how the "wokeness" got ramped up over the QA team. Sound like Jason Schreier should probably interview you for these exclusive takes.
Or maybe we can just take this as what it is and wait for some actual gameplay before injecting
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Gamergate was a psyop by Steve Bannon to induct all the "rootless young men" into fascism. It worked frighteningly well. Looks like you fell for it because you are parroting back their language, exactly.
https://www.usatoday.com/story... [usatoday.com]
Most gamers are not like you. We have no problem with inclusivity or diversity because we can just as easily imagine ourselves as women or POC as we can imagine ourselves as white male space rangers or wizards. We're all human beings with rich interior lives, hopes and dreams
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You need to provide evidence that people are hired for their skin color rather than their talent. And if you are unable to admit that a person of color or woman might be more talented than their male competition, you need to check yourself. You provide zero evidence for your assertions, and so anyone is justified in dismissing them without evidence. Which I am doing.
You are not rational. Your entire post is frothing with emotion and lacking in any supporting evidence for your claims. Are you so lacking in
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Lazy excuse is very lazy. Stories on reddit are stories.
Re: I haven't played since San Andres.. (Score:2)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YP... [youtube.com]
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One of the benefits of having a female lead is that the game can turn out to be a dumpster fire and all criticism can just be hand waved as mysogyny. You get double the benefits if the character is female and a minority. Then critics are simply mysognyst AND racist.
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Just like it happened oh wait never.
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Sure, unless the criticism is even remotely specific and has nothing to do with the gender, race, or national origin of the main character. So really, only if you take the absolutely dimmest view possible and don't actually apply a single calorie of thinking. Or the "criticism" is a single generic sentence shitpost on Twitter from a known misogynist or racist.
Re:I haven't played since San Andres.. (Score:5, Insightful)
" Using a female lead to"
So anytime, any game uses a female lead it will be woke? ALL video game protagonists have to be male?
Re: I haven't played since San Andres.. (Score:2)
When the company releases that news along with a statement that they removed a game mode because of George Floyd and don't want to be seen as punching down yes, yes it does.
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Fuck me Metroid must be giving you PTSD.
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"Wokeness" kept you away from GTA5, a game with 3 hyper-masculine male main characters, basically overflowing with toxic (albeit somewhat self aware and tongue in cheek) masculine tropes, famously features a mission where you interactively torture a man... that game was too "woke" for you?
It's funny how "virtue signal" was used for so long by the anti-sjw crowd as a term of derision and now we get a comment like this which adds nothing but to be a virtue signal to just a different in-group.
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It's almost like the anti-woke crowd are massive hypocrites. But we kind of already knew that - it's built into the whole white privilege and male privilege concept. And I say that as a white male without a morsel of irony.
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Are you in need of a woke free safe space?
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Re: I haven't played since San Andres.. (Score:2)
Goddamn I'm tired of this woke/anti woke dittledidee crap. Just a bunch of people on both sides trying to one up each other with their flavor of mind trash.
- Racism sucks
- *"phobia" sucks
- discrimination sucks.
Can't we leave it at that and just put the *ists on one side and the fragile fee fees group on the other into their respective sound proof booths so the rest of the world can move on?
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Biden?
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So you would prefer that we just have stoic white men in all government positions then? How dare we have a non-white woman who laughs on camera in a largely ceremonial role that has two whole constitutional responsibilities: having a pulse, and breaking ties in the Senate.
I think we know who the "stupid whore" is, and it's not VP Harris. Spoiler alert: it's you.
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And taking over the presidency if Pudding Cup strokes out from all the uppers they have him on anytime he makes a public appearance.
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The only reason this is even in ANY news publications it to get those dang right wingers all riled up in the panties.
This is just a ploy to show how woke they are. Most conservatives don't care if the main character is male or female (non-binary may get a reaction). As long as there are male playable characters and female playable characters, we'll be happy.
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Bullshit. Any time, and I mean any time, a woman is mentioned doing something the immediate reaction by you woke conservatives is to go off a tangent about why it should be mentioned it's a woman. Woman wins a Pulitzer? She must have slept with someone (because a man wouldn't have done that, right?). Woman gets promoted to admiral? Diversity pick, otherwise not qualified.
Remember when the fir
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Most conservatives don't care if the main character is male or female (non-binary may get a reaction).
Bullshit. Any time, and I mean any time, a woman is mentioned doing something the immediate reaction by you woke conservatives is to go off a tangent about why it should be mentioned it's a woman. Woman wins a Pulitzer? She must have slept with someone (because a man wouldn't have done that, right?). Woman gets promoted to admiral? Diversity pick, otherwise not qualified.
That there is a straw man with a touch of ad hominem. I do believe that Affirmative Action makes it easier for a minority to get recognition than a white male. That does not mean the minority is not qualified. The first computer programmer was a woman. Marie Currie was a woman. Look at how smart Cleopatra - a woman - was.
Remember when the first image a black hole came out and it was revealed that Katie Bourman's team [bbc.com] was behind it? You woke conservatives jumped all over her by claiming it was really the "men" who did the work, even going so far as to look at log files and finding one guy made hundreds of entries to prove she had little to nothing to do with the discovery.
To be honest, I never heard who discovered the first black hole. That was an amazing discovery. I applauded the story of Hidden Figures and the movie based on the book. When I voted against Hillary Clinton, it was based on her politics, not her gender (No, I didn't vote for Trump).
The only ones who routinely go out of their way to find issues is you. Anything which isn't white male Christian is immediately subjected to a terror campaign. Woman claimed she was raped by a white male elected official? Let's find out who she is [cnn.com] and make sure everyone knows where she lives, what she looks like, and anything else to make her life a living hell, all to defend the white male rapist.
You're painting with too broad a brush.
Nothing is as fragile as the ego of a white man. If he's not the center of attention, he'll let you know about it.
You know next to nothing about me, but judge me based on the very characteristics you accuse conservatives of. You judge me for being a white Christian male. Hypocrisy doesn't look good on you.
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The scenery is great, too. Thousand year old buildings next to modern buildings. Mountains, rivers, ridiculous ghettos. The lack of an ocean would be sad.