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How Nintendo's Destruction of Yuzu Is Rocking the Emulator World (theverge.com) 33

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: When Nintendo sued the developers of Yuzu out of existence on March 4th, it wasn't just an attack on the leading way to play Nintendo Switch games without a Switch. It was a warning to anyone building a video game emulator. Seven developers have now stepped away from projects, are shutting them down, or have left the emulation scene entirely. Of those that remain, many are circling the wagons, getting quieter and more careful, trying not to paint targets on their backs. Four developers declined to talk to The Verge, telling me they didn't want to draw attention. One even tried to delete answers to my questions after we'd begun, suddenly scared of attracting press.

Not everyone is so afraid. Four other emulator teams tell me they're optimistic Nintendo won't challenge them, that they're on strong legal footing, and that Yuzu may have been an unusually incriminating case. One decade-long veteran tells me everyone's just a bit more worried. But when I point out that Nintendo didn't have to prove a thing in court, they all admit they don't have money for lawyers. They say they'd probably be forced to roll over, like Yuzu, if the Japanese gaming giant came knocking. "I would do what I'd have to do," the most confident of the four tells me. "I would want to fight it... but at the same time, I know we exist because we don't antagonize Nintendo."

There's a new meme where Yuzu is the mythical Hydra: cut off one head, and two more take its place. It's partly true in how multiple forks of Yuzu (and 3DS emulator Citra) sprung up shortly after their predecessors died: Suyu, Sudachi, Lemonade, and Lime are a few of the public names. But they're not giving Nintendo the middle finger: they're treating Nintendo's lawsuit like a guidebook about how not to piss off the company. In its legal complaint, Nintendo claimed Yuzu was "facilitating piracy at a colossal scale," giving users "detailed instructions" on how to "get it running with unlawful copies of Nintendo Switch games," among other things. Okay, no more guides, say the Switch emulator developers who spoke to me. They also say they're stripping out some parts of Yuzu that made it easier to play pirated games. As Ars Technica reported, a forked version called Suyu will require you to bring the firmware, title.keys, and prod.keys from your Switch before you can decrypt and play Nintendo games. Only one of those was technically required before. (Never mind that most people don't have an easily hackable first-gen Switch and would likely download these things off the net.) The developer of another fork tells me he plans to do something similar, making users "fend for yourself" by making sure the code doesn't auto-generate any keys.

Most developers I spoke to are also trying to make it clear they aren't profiting at Nintendo's expense. One who initially locked early access builds behind a donation page has stopped doing that, making them publicly available on GitHub instead. The leader of another project tells me nothing will ever be paywalled, and for now, there's "strictly no donation," either. When I ask about the Dolphin Emulator, which faced a minor challenge from Nintendo last year, I'm told it publicly exposes its tiny nonprofit budget for anyone to scrutinize. But I don't know that these steps are enough to prevent Nintendo from throwing around its weight again, particularly when it comes to emulating the Nintendo Switch, its primary moneymaker.
Since Yuzu's shut down, a slew of other emulators left the scene. The include (as highlighted by The Verge):

- The Citra emulator for Nintendo 3DS is gone
- The Pizza Boy emulators for Nintendo Game Boy Advance and Game Boy Color are gone
- The Drastic emulator for Nintendo DS is free for now and will be removed
- The lead developer of Yuzu and Citra has stepped away from emulation
- The lead developer of Strato, a Switch emulator, has stepped away from emulation
- Dynarmic, used to speed up various emulators including Yuzu, has abruptly ended development
- One contributor on Ryujinx, a Switch emulator, has stepped away from the project
- AetherSX2, a PS2 emulator, is finally gone (mostly unrelated; development was suspended a year ago)
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How Nintendo's Destruction of Yuzu Is Rocking the Emulator World

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  • by vlad30 ( 44644 ) on Thursday March 14, 2024 @04:54PM (#64316259)
    Don't make an emulator of Current Products. The company has a concern that it will eat into their profits

    Products that are no longer sold can have emulators sold on the open market https://www.amazon.com/mame-ar... [amazon.com]

    • by vlad30 ( 44644 )
      replying to myself as you cant edit comments in /.

      https://gamesarcadia.com.au/pr... [gamesarcadia.com.au]

      Built-in 60000 Game For PSP/PS1/NES/N64/NDS 20000 3D Games For Free -pretty sure it looks like a retro Nintendo machine

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      Comment removed based on user account deletion
      • by AvitarX ( 172628 )

        I highly doubt they pay license fees.

        It's more that of they get closed down they'll open a new Amazon store.

        The bundler can disappear and pop back up and doesn't really have high effort. It's also their job, not their hobby.

    • by Psykechan ( 255694 ) on Thursday March 14, 2024 @08:20PM (#64316675)

      One of Nintendo's major Switch releases for 2023: Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom was leaked weeks before it went on sale. That was a separate piracy issue and shouldn't have affected Yuzu development.

      And it wouldn't have if the Yuzu devs hadn't majorly fucked up. The release versions (both public and patreon) of Yuzu would not properly play the leaked LoZ TotK game, so they *acquired* their own pirated copy so that they could fix their emulator. After they implemented the fixes, they then kept it behind the patreon backer paywall for a period of time, as they did with all of their initial patches.

      Nintendo was able to demonstrate that Tropic Haze, the Yuzu developer's incorporated company, made money by specifically patching their emulator to work with a game that wasn't yet released. Legally, they were making money by furthering piracy.

      From their, it's anyone's speculation as to what happened. Nintendo was able to get all of their Discord messages and Tropic Haze folded amazingly fast, so it's likely that the devs passed that copy of LoZ TotK around to each other so that they could implement those fixes. It's also likely that they had pirated more than just that game. Regardless, Tropic Haze settlement tells us that they really didn't want to come close to a courtroom.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Friday March 15, 2024 @06:58AM (#64317347) Homepage Journal

      That's not what caused the issue for Yuzu, as I understand the legal situation. It's the fact that they were making money out of it.

      If it is done as just a hobby project with no donations or other commercial interests, there wouldn't be a lot Nintendo could do. That's why there were only able to remove Dolphin (Gamecube and Wii emulator) from Steam, but not get the project itself taken down entirely where it is available for free. Like Yuzu, it relies on Nintendo encryption keys that the user must provide.

      Yuzu had a Patreon, with exclusive features for users who paid.

  • by dgatwood ( 11270 ) on Thursday March 14, 2024 @04:57PM (#64316269) Homepage Journal

    Let Nintendo's products become forgotten about over time. And don't buy their current products because of the way they treated Yuzu. The only winning move is not to play [Nintendo].

    • by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Thursday March 14, 2024 @05:36PM (#64316369)

      Exactly. Just like people should stop buying from Amazon because of how they treat their employees. Look at how well that's worked out.

      • Don't concern yourself with things you cannot control. Be the change you want to see in the world. I stopped and I got my wife to stop, which was a huge accomplishment. She would buy several things a week when we met. Now she shops local. Unfortunately, I cannot get to her stop shopping entirely.

    • Nintendo is the least bad of the large gaming companies. And your rhetoric is hyperbolic - they haven't gone after emulators for their old products, despite still making revenue from those products. More importantly: their games are a whole lot less predatory, less microtransaction-based than their competitors.

      I suppose that if you really want to make sure that you avoid any gaming company which has ever done anything wrong then you could stick to indie games on the PC. As long as you avoid the ones base
    • Forget Nintendo Products. I always hated Pokemon. Alright, who's with me?
  • This move will cause me to never buy another Nintendo product again. Fade into Irrelevance. As someone who makes emulation hardware, all this move does is screw with every Bato, Emuclec, etc, build out there. It shoots the emulation community in the foot when they pull this crap. No to mention the majority of their new catalogs of games are garbage. Have not played a truly engaging title from them in a few years. Last few Metroids were ok. But only just. Meh.
    • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

      by Lehk228 ( 705449 )
      i'm sure nintendo will be devastated to hear this, absolutely sobbing into their piles of money
    • by rykin ( 836525 )
      Franky, you're not their target audience.

      I find most of their games too simplistic to enjoy, but my wife, kids, and extended family feel they offer a nice balance of fun and challenge.

      The Wii didn't print money because it targeted the typical gamer who would visit Slashdot.

      • Not anymore, at the very least. Still leaves even less of an excuse to screw with emulation. Going back to Pizzaboy and stuff like that, on games no longer sold/made, is pathetic. Its strictly to be greedy. If they KNOW we are not their target market, and simply want to play the games of our childhood when hardware is mostly non-existent or second hand broken only, then what other excuse is there? That old protect my IP BS? From what? Someone who bought and played all those games two decades ago and simply
  • Yuzu should "accidentally" leak the emulator source code online as an F. U. to Nintendo. Cheap knockoffs will then fly out of the 3rd world.

    • Source code was always "leaked" as it's opensource project. There's already 4 forks according to TFA. And probably pirates who rely on it could have own private forks.
  • People got so brazen with emulation that they even started profiting off of it.

    It'll just go back to the status quo of the past 30 years, a world where you don't poke the dragon.

    • What are you talking about? Emulators and money have always been involved.

      All emulators were pay for in the beginning, it took NESticle to change some of that, being the first free (and high compatibility) emulator. Then came Bleem! which Sony sued and lost, showing that emulators are legal, free or paid didn't matter. Paid and Patreon supported emulators have been around for over 15 years now.

      This was only because Nintendo tried to sue based on a unique angle (being them talking about supporting a pirated
  • Nothing to see here - A company is simply stopping people undercutting its sales with illegal copies - it's why they won so easily

    Emulate the current hardware, or hardware that can play current games ... and Nintendo will do the same
    Emulate the obsolete hardware to play obsolete games only .... and Nintendo won't be bothered

  • When has a video game emulator ever been completely legal....???? They have always operated in a gray area and they know they run on bootlegged versions of games. They can't claim they are innocent.
    • by DewDude ( 537374 )

      Brewers know people do horrible things when consuming their product. They can't claim they are innocent.
      Car makers know their cars can be used as deadly weapons. They can't claim they are innocent.
      Camera makers know stalkers will use their equipment to break the law. They can't claim they are innocent.
      Microsoft and Apple operating systems are used to commit cyber crimes. They can't claim they are innocent.

      Actually, they can; because it ultimately is up to how the end user themselves uses the product. They t

    • I've done homebrew development on old game systems, using open-source toolkits (gcc), and using emulators for testing purposes. As long as the maker of the emulator is not distributing pirate copies of games, there is no "gray area", this is a perfectly legal thing to do.

  • I recently got RPi5 and decided to to run PSP emulator. The only regret was that I tried it now and not several years ago, as 2 out of the 10 disks that I have were not completely readable anymore. Now I can play the games that I paid for on the big screen and with nice controllers. I haven't played PSP games in years, but now I am playing them again.

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