Russia Is Making Its Own Gaming Consoles (gamerant.com) 161
Vladimir Putin has ordered Russia's government to explore the development of a series of homegrown consoles to compete with PlayStation and Xbox. Game Rant reports: Russia has taken issue with Western games and developers in recent years, leading the country to threaten the banning of certain titles like Apex Legends and The Last of Us Part 2. This is due to what the Russian government perceives as pro-LGBTQ messaging, which it openly opposes. In February, Russia's Organization for Developing the Video Game Industry (RVI) laid out a long-term plan that ended with the creation of a fully capable gaming console in 2026-2027. It seems that the Russian government may be attempting to follow through with this plan.
Following a meeting on the economic development of Kaliningrad, Putin requested government officials to research the requirements for domestic production of stationary and portable gaming consoles. The Russian president also ordered the planning of an appropriate operating system and cloud system for the consoles. The deadline for these plans is set for June 15, 2024, and Russia's prime minister was designated as the official overseeing these tasks. A Kremlin spokesperson confirmed that the orders intend to develop Russia's homegrown gaming industry.
Following a meeting on the economic development of Kaliningrad, Putin requested government officials to research the requirements for domestic production of stationary and portable gaming consoles. The Russian president also ordered the planning of an appropriate operating system and cloud system for the consoles. The deadline for these plans is set for June 15, 2024, and Russia's prime minister was designated as the official overseeing these tasks. A Kremlin spokesperson confirmed that the orders intend to develop Russia's homegrown gaming industry.
Heh (Score:2)
Re:Heh (Score:5, Funny)
Is gonna be 14 bits.
2 bits curiously vanished during production. Also, factory boss now has new datcha.
Re:Heh (Score:4, Funny)
8-bit, copy of the old Soviet ones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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Presumably with games such as ... (Score:5, Funny)
World of Special Operation-craft
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With an "appropriate operating system". Presumably not Windows (Russians are afraid of those). Is there a version of Linux whose mascot is a Polonium Penguin?
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Thanks for trying.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
you can hear the song (Score:3)
This ought to be interesting (Score:4, Insightful)
Considering Russia can't get a 50% yield on chips using an ancient 28 nm process, obviously they won't be using any Russian-made hardware in it.
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Yeah, there's always SMIC. Plus they have Elbrus in Russia, so hey why not?
Re:This ought to be interesting (Score:4, Insightful)
Russia can make "its own gaming consoles" from chips manufactured by China just as much as the US makes "its own gaming consoles" from chips manufactured in China or Taiwan.
Lol wut. Taiwan? Taiwan is very much aligned with the West's ideas that it's not OK for a larger neighboring country to invade you just because they want your land for their own and don't believe you have a right to exist as a separate entity, and insist that you have always belonged them even if you don't realize that.
Can't imagine why Taiwan is so invested in that particular status quo...
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Taiwan LIKES the status quo, and so does China. Taiwanese exports to China are 28% of its trade, with another 14% going to Hong Kong, and the US coming in just under Hong Kong's number. They'll make a lot of noise for free USD, but in the end the oligarchs which actually run the country have no intention of rocking the boat.
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Taiwan LIKES the status quo,
Yeah no shit.
and so does China.
No it does not. The PRC believes that Taiwan is it's land to conquer an rule. China is happy with the old world order of empires conquering their neighbors for land since they have a few placed they want to conquer and are one of the big boys.
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From the perspective of the People's Republic of China, Taiwan is a Chinese province. And Beijing is the capital if China.
From the perspective of the Republic of China, Taiwan is a Chinese province, and Taipeh is the capital of China.
China (either one) is not in the business of conquest. China hasn't been an empire for a while now, and even when they were, they didn't have colonies or conquer their neighbours. They were conquered by their neighbours a few times, and every time the conquerors became Chine
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even when they were, they didn't have colonies or conquer their neighbours.
I'd disagree with that last bit, at different times China has encompassed Myanmar, a good chunk of Southeast Asia, most of the Korean peninsula, and well into the middle of Central Asia. You're right otherwise, they learned their lesson centuries ago, trade is much more stable and less expensive to maintain than being an occupier. They did have trading colonies in the Indian Ocean, as far away as Ethiopia and possibly Zimbabwe, but
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Hong Kong is not occupied. It used to be occupied, by the British, but that was a quarter of a century ago. After the Opium Wars, China traded Hong Kong to the British Empire, there was a contract that it would be given back. And it was.
Hong Kong is a special economic zone, like Guangzhou and Shenzen, but unlike those Hong Kong also has its own currency. Much like Taiwan.
Tibet was conquered, that's true, and subsequently slavery was ended there. Most people would see that as a good thing. Tibet might
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From the perspective of the PRC, Taiwan, an island that the PRC had never in it's entire history had dominion over is theirs to seize and rule.
The PRC has never ruled Taiwan and has made threats.
When you meet in the middle between and absurd position and a sensible one, you adopt an absurd position
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No, from their perspective they don't need to seize it, they already have it.
Why did Chiang Kai-Shek go to Taiwan?
Beijing did make noises that they are not pleased about the recent election results in Taiwan; it would have been surprising if they hadn't.
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No, from their perspective they don't need to seize it, they already have it.
Much like Putin and Ukraine. Which is why they are not against overturning the current order of countries not generally annexing each other, because they wish to be able to seize it by force. And the PRC know full well that it's laws have never been part of PRC and so force would very much be needed.
Their perspective is that they have it only in as much as it's their right to take it with military force if they wish. No one high up
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Do you even know what you think you are talking about?
Do you know anything about history or international law?
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Tell me at which point the PRC had ever had dominion over Taiwan.
That's right, you can't.
Mainland China and Taiwan were under the Republic of China. An internal faction, the newly founded PRC started a revolution and attacked mostly defeating the ROC, and seizing mainland chains m China. They did not succeed in defeating the ROC entirely, and so the older Republic remains on the last piece of land it has, Taiwan.
If you know of a history where the PRC had Taiwan so let me know.
Currently they are operating on
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50% yield is still more than nothing.
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50% yield is still more than nothing.
What yield do you think Intel gets on, say, a 28 nm (just guessing) 8751 Wafer?
I'd be willing to wager TSMC is getting far North of 50% on 5 nm M3 Wafers.
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I have no idea. 60%? 70%?
The point is that 50% yield is not nothing. They are churning out chips. There is room for improvement in the process, but usable chips are being produced.
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I have no idea. 60%? 70%?
The point is that 50% yield is not nothing. They are churning out chips. There is room for improvement in the process, but usable chips are being produced.
I guess if you're desperate. . .
With what hardware? (Score:4, Insightful)
We just learned [slashdot.org] that they even admit that half of their chip production is duds. And if they admit that, it usually means that most of the rest is trash, too. And they're trying to build high tech weapons for their ridiculous war. What for is a mystery to me since they only use it for terror attacks instead of supporting their front line soldiers with it, but hey, who am I to question the military genius in the Kremlin?
I have a hunch that these consoles will be as available as cars were in Soviet times. In other words, yeah, we'll see them being produced and presented, but curiously nobody will have one and wait times and scalping will reach levels that PS5 scalpers dreamed of.
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I expect that the console will be a cheap clone of the Switch running a fork of Red Star OS with an Android compatibility layer and an exclusive marketplace for government-approved apps. But which games will they have? Russian game studios probably need some government "stimulus" to pivot to developing for their home market.
When I asked GPT for some Russian game studios, it replied with this list of major Russian game developers whose games show exactly the kind of dystopian world the Russian government wan
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Russian game makers are obsessed with dystopias, I guess it is their fascination with the exotic and foreign.
A Dalvik VM for desktop Linux? Yes, please! I have been looking for ways of running Android apps on the desktop other than QEmu.
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As ffkom posted above, there's nothing stopping them from using SMIC, except maybe China itself.
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We just learned [slashdot.org] that they even admit that half of their chip production is duds. And if they admit that, it usually means that most of the rest is trash, too. And they're trying to build high tech weapons for their ridiculous war. What for is a mystery to me since they only use it for terror attacks instead of supporting their front line soldiers with it, but hey, who am I to question the military genius in the Kremlin?
I have a hunch that these consoles will be as available as cars were in Soviet times. In other words, yeah, we'll see them being produced and presented, but curiously nobody will have one and wait times and scalping will reach levels that PS5 scalpers dreamed of.
Yeah their hardward sucks, but the real problem is software:
The Russian president also ordered the planning of an appropriate operating system and cloud system for the consoles.
I see two possibilities:
a) It's a homegrown Linux distro [wikipedia.org] with a Steam install and hope the sanctions are gone by the time it's ready to ship because it sounds like it's hard (not impossible) to buy games now.
b) He actually has them build their own cloud and software stack and they end up with an eco-system consisting of a handful of
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You think it's going to be a Steam Box clone using something other than Arch?
I'd rather expect they'd use a proper package manager instead of Steam. The Steam client isn't even available for arm64. Plus, it says they want to use their own clout^Hd.
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we'll see them being produced and presented
That's assuming the "Russian console" will even be manufactured in Russia. My feeling is they'll order a few thousand no-name consoles from China, put a "ZBox" or similar label on them and show them on TV as proof that Russian industry thrives and can equal or even better western technology.
Ignorance of subject matter (Score:3, Interesting)
One of the main problems of bureaucracy disconnected from reality but feeling desperate need to please the strongman above them is that they don't care about the problem. They only care how they think strongman above them sees the problem.
This results in hilarious misses like these. In reality, all Russia actually needs to do to avoid alphabet problems is the institute legal framework toward it that many countries already have. All the rainbow virtue signalling in games is replaced with normal things in many locales already. I.e. game makers don't even need to make any significant changes. They just give you a version that is meant for places like Middle East.
Re:Ignorance of subject matter (Score:4, Informative)
This is not about LGBT issues. This is about controlling a medium.
Russia has a pretty tight grip on what information their people can access. Computer games are among the few media that can still enter the country and tell of a world outside of Russia. Please also understand that internet connections are not as omnipresent there as they're here. Yes, in Moscow and Petersburg, but as soon as you move outside those large centers of population, access to what could be considered an "outside world" is spotty at best. Computer games are some of the few media that are not under control by the Russian government that can reach people in those areas.
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No, this is about alphabet propaganda. Russia has very little grip on what information populace can access, because everyone has a smartphone and everyone uses Telegram. And Telegram has proper discovery mechanisms for things that might interest you in your language.
That's why there's a metric shit ton of Ukrainian milbloggers who blog in their native Russian and have massive Russian audiences. Trolling wars between Russian and Ukrainian milbloggers are utterly hilarious.
Russia is religious however, and the
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They are explicit about the fact that their long term goal is to propagandize general populace to their ideological side. That's why they're starting to get pushback even in the West from people who would like to not have political extremist propaganda in their entertainment.
Truth. Of course they get pushback. Because the lunatic left doesn't know when or where to stop.
But being an equal opportunity jerk, I'm happy to give kooks the skewer, the far right now has their own bible, courtesy of the Son of Man, the Christ - their cult leader. 60 some dollars, the proceeds to pay off his sexual assault and espionage lawyers. That's a different subject though. Not whataboutism, just that there is plenty of not quite sane stuff to go around.
Meanwhile, most of us don't actually c
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You think that's hilarious ask him for his take on vegans. Talk about world view driven by hard right culture war nonsense.
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Isn't having to ask someone for their opinion on vegans a mark of goodness?
You need only compare it to vegans who do not need to be asked for their opinion on veganism. They'll tell you regardless.
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I'd much rather interact with an in your face vegan then an in your face religious person. At least the vegan is coming from a place of reality even if I don't subscribe to their interpretation.
Of course vegans are not inherently in ones face with their views just as with religious folks. It's a minority within both groups. I know you don't care about that though.
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So you'd rather interact with one specific religion, than with other religions.
>Of course vegans are not inherently in ones face with their views just as with religious folks.
True that they're not just in one's face. They're also in one's menu, demanding that others stop eating meat and often being so zealous that governments actually break before their crusading onslaught. Like when a few years ago it was mandated that one day of a school lunch would have to force vegetable only set on kids, with four o
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So you'd rather interact with one specific religion, than with other religions.
Yes because as I said at least veganism is dealing with real things and asks of people to think of the morality of ones actions on their own rather than take the word of some guy from 2000 years ago that "God" will punish me if I do X.
True that they're not just in one's face. They're also in one's menu, demanding that others stop eating meat and often being so zealous that governments actually break before their crusading onslaught.
Hahaha, what? Religion is in our politics a million times more than veganism. No rational person worries about being cut off from meat by vegans but many worry about receiving proper reproductive care or simply worry over finding the books they want to find at the library due
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I live in a nation with a state Church and laws outlawing "insults to religion" that are actively prosecuted for (latest being for insulting islam if I remember correctly). I.e. something that is far more religious by definition than US.
And yet state Church is objectively less capable of influencing legislation than vegans, with example I presented, while Church can't even halt hilarious novel ways of resigning from said Church, in spite of very vocal protests and a lot of lobbying. Meanwhile vegans push th
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Well as you havent told me what country you're from I cant comment on that. What I can tell you though is that religion plays one hell of a bigger roll in American politics than veganism does. It's not even comparable, vegans dont even have the numbers to effect policy as a group here where as religious folks most certainly do.
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You didn't ask. I'm not hiding this, and if you searched my posts, you'd find a mention of it quite quickly. I'm Finnish.
And I can tell you that whatever you imagine the role of religion is in US, it objectively is not:
1. State Church.
2. Taxed for Church tax by the state, where people can choose to belong to the Church and pay the tax or not and avoid it, but companies are taxed for Church tax regardless of their religious affiliation.
3. A state with laws prohibiting insulting someone's religious feelings.
A
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1.1% of the population is dictating Finnish policy https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... [nih.gov]. ? Give me a break.
Here in the US 68% of the population calls themselves Christian https://news.gallup.com/poll/3... [gallup.com] versus about 4% for vegans. It doesn't take a genius to figure out who has more influence when it comes to government policy.
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There's also another angle: Remember back in the early 2000s? When ISIS was Teh Evilz? It didn't even take a year before the gaming world was flooded with games where your job was to gun down those evil terrists.
Now, this time it's not "us" that got attacked. So there is a considerable delay because, well, it's not as much of an ad platform as back when "we" were the target. Buuuuuut... on the other hand... there is game devs like Destructive Creations. A Polish game studio responsible for Hatred and, if th
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Islamic State hasn't really changed. It's highly active globally. They're active globally opposing governments and heretics from Western Sahel to India. From Russia to Nigeria. Etc.
As for Russian/anti Russian views, Russians have a very thick skin for that stuff, because they are the main bad guys in Western media. From movies to games to books. Poland for all it's amazing studios putting out bangers in last decade doesn't have the sheer weight of Hollywood and co.
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Uh WTF? "Alphabet people" are not propagandizing. It seems to me its the religions who do the propagandizing, grooming, and brainwashing. You don't see kids getting sent to gay school, but you sure do see a ton of them being sent to religious indoctrination camps AKA Sunday School.
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Who really says "we're coming for your children?" Oh right. The Jesuits [sourcenews.scot].
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Interesting that you correctly identify why it's bad to argue". It's ok when we do it" when it's those who have heretical views from your perspective.
But when it comes to your faith, it's totally ok when you do it.
As the old saying goes, if you make a religious person understand how atheist thinks, just tell him to think of how he thinks of heretical faiths. And then understand that atheists are like that except that they also think the same about your faith.
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And modern alphabet messaging in mass media is indeed propaganda. ... That's why they're starting to get pushback even in the West from people who would like to not have political extremist propaganda in their entertainment.
You really need to watch the DS9 episode "Far Beyond the Stars". Might give you a little insight to why LGBTQ+ folks who work in creative industries want to see themselves reflected in their work.
"You can't make the captain black" is just today's "You can't make the captain gay"
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You need to update the program you bigot. Gays are evil anti trans oppressors now. Captain is a castrato, and advocating for killing 27 year old autists now.
(I wish this was just entertainment and not real life).
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No, this is about alphabet propaganda.
Your *-ism is showing.
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That's only if you watch in languages foreign to the war.
Russian language youtube is interesting because both Ukrainians and Russians primarily post in that language. And while youtube did ban a lot of "Russia will defeat the West and Ukraine, URAAA!" accounts at the start of the war, most of the more thoughtful Russian milbloggers still run theirs, and they're still on youtube.
Though in most cases, it's just a bit more self-censored version of their content on Telegram. And obviously Ukrainian milbloggers
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Unfortunately I don't speak Russian or Ukrainian so not an option for me but it's interesting to know, thanks.
What's the channel you were referring to? I think you typoed out the channel name in an autocorrect or something. The one you said has all the videos. Thanks!
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I spelled it in original Cyrillic, and forgot that slashdot can't handle it.
It's called TRYXA (cyrillic P is latin R, cyrillic Y is lati U and cyrillic X is latin H, pronounced close to TRUHA in English). First two letters stand for Trash (which Russians just transliterate directly to mean trash in relation to streaming), and other two being location as these channels tended to be collating information from their local scene. In case of TPYXA, it was "Trash, Ukraine, Kharkiv".
Here's a telegram link:
https:// [t.me]
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Very cool, thank you very much. I'm not worried about the propaganda. I can't understand it anyway :-)
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Problem being that I now have to go to several different small collation channels to get anything near the quality of collation that I used to be able to get just with that one.
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Your "waah they're propagandizing, this is alphabet propaganda" reminds me that trash like you called my family "uppity negroes" in the 60s for wanting voting rights too.
Oh they still do that too, just not when they think it will come back to bite them in the ass.
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You do know that because YouTube are not allowed to do business in Russia anymore, everyone in Russia has YouTube Premium for free, right?
Can you still get Russia Today?
Who is being isolated from the outside world here?
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Youtube is not banned yet only because their russian equivalent sucks donkey balls. As soon as they think it is good enough, youtube will immediately be banned. They consided instagram a terrorist organisation, for fuck's sake!
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The fact of the matter is that American media are not banned in Russia, while Russian media are banned in the USA.
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Yes, I can still get RT by simply visiting its website. And so can everyone else in the West.
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Sure I get RT. Though I have to admit, I'm not really sure if it's the real RT, most of what they produce reads a lot like I'm reading The Onion.
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There are usually mods that allow you to enable Middle East mode in many popular games.
These mods have been so popular lately that progressive mod sites like NexusMods banned them. This is notably the same site that also serves mods for enabling the Western mode for Middle Easterners, and continues to host these.
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To my knowledge, you have to get them from modder's own channels now. Usually their github/patreon/subscribestar/etc.
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Interesting, how can I order the Middle-East versions for my kids?
If I were a parent, I'd prefer that my kids learn to be accepting of LGBTQ+ folks rather than how to build IEDs, but you do you.
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Move to Saudi Arabia.
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>Which kind of makes one wonder why the US electorate wants a strongman above them.
US electorate is so averse to having a strongman above them, that they haven't even implemented a centralized property registration system like most of the rest of the world. You know, the latest brouhaha about squatters getting owners arrested in NYC?
Most of the "more liberal" Western nations have a centralized government registry for property, which makes squatters rights dead letter of the law. But US peoples are so str
Gotta love it (Score:4, Insightful)
The government has to be directed to develop a means to produce a gaming console, not the private sector. With what technology is unknown considering they don't have enough chips to use in the missiles they're sending against Ukraine.
It's almost as if in a desparate attempt to keep the focus off the over 400,000 dead and wounded Russians the drunk muscovite midget is trying to distract the population.
Hans Kristian Graebener = StoneToss
Highest-score prize (Score:2)
Anyone getting a higher score than Putin gets a life-long, no-expenses paid trip to a gulag.
In Soviet Russia... (Score:2)
Console plays you!
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I appreciate the attempt to revive the Sokolow meme, but Russia hasn't been a soviet republic for over thirty years now.
The adventures of tax collector 3 (Score:4, Funny)
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How many votes did the Communist Party of Russian Federation get at the recent election?
So ... (Score:2)
... he's rejecting euro/american hegemony and their colonial culture in favor of local traditions?
I thought that was a good thing to you folks?
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Who are "you folks"?
Oh yeah you're a fuckwit with an utterly binary view of the world. If people don't subscibe to your brand of crazy, they must by your thinking subscribe in whole to the random mishmash of disconnected philosophy which is the polar opposite of whatever's in your head today.
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Yeah, he should totally do that.
More competition in the console gaming market would be a good thing!
Now, is that going to lead to the Russian people being exposed to less western games? I highly doubt it; because they aren't hard to get. And probably you also need to reduce exposure to Japanese games, because they represent diversity, especially in sexual orientation about as much as western games.
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Depends on who the hegemon is, I suppose. The corporate-owned US seems to be doing a really shitty job of it.
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Russia has no interest in owning the world, they have quite enough work managing the largest and most resource-rich country in the world already. The last time they had a colony was Alaska.
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And your evidence to the contrary is . . .
Oh, that's right, there is none.
Getring strong iron curtain vibes from this, (Score:2)
Paper tiger (Score:2)
Russia's military is scary not because it's any good, but because it's absolutely massive, the people giving the orders don't seem to care how many soldiers die to achieve a goal, and the rest of the world is worried maybe a few of their ICBMs still work despite most likely having been neglected to the point of uselessness.
From pretty much the moment the second phase of the invasion of Ukraine started, we saw how laughably BAD the Russian military actually is (excluding the aforementioned availability of me
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Russia's military has barely enough soldiers to guard their border, the longest in the world. It is not the 20th century anymore.
The rest of the world is not worried about Russian ICBMs. Not because Russia would have neglected their arsenal (unemployment is high, and nuclear weapons maintenance provides jobs), but because nukes are tactically useless.
The kleptocracy has also been a myth after Medwedev. You don't hear about Mafiya anymore. You now hear about "oligarchs" who are not actually the governmen
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Russia's military has enough soldiers to be both inept AND gaining ground in Ukraine. And if Ukraine can't ramp up their internal arms industry - and I don't believe they can - a lack of Western support will result in them being overrun by Russian forces. Again, Russia has a numerical advantage but not a quality advantage. If they had both, Ukraine would already be part of Russia.
The kleptocracy is not a myth. Putin is the king of the kleptocrats, which is why he is so ridiculously wealthy. And 'oligar
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The Ukraine has four million soldiers, and they have the home advantage. Russia could only spare a few hundred thousand to send to the Ukraine. That's the numbers.
McKinsey had convinced Russia to outsource their weapons manufacturing to the Ukraine in the early 2000s, and they did, so most Russian weaponry is made in Ukraine. Russia has only recently begun to restore its heavy industry. For reasons that should be obvious.
I don't know what is going on exactly, the truth is always the first casualty of wa
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True. The army may be inept, and we saw that in the initial invasion of Ukraine, but they made good headway because they had tons and tons of cannon fodder. Recruitment from the prisons was to get more cannon fodder. The reason Prigozhin attempted a coup was because his Wagner group was being used as cannon fodder.
Xario and Luisky chase potatoes that make them big (Score:2)
Seems atypically doomed... (Score:2)
It's a consumer product, rather than the state or state owned or heavily influenced companies being the customer, so there's a lot less leverage in terms of just making 'domestically produced' patri
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This is from a country where the terrorist acts are planned by the state.
How do you think Putin got in power in the first place? That building didn't blow itself up in 1999
War on general computing? (Score:2)
Why bother with making game consoles in this day and age? Technically they are no different from home computers anyway, which can be as easy to use for gaming, but offer more flexibility.
The propaganda is strong with this one (Score:2)
Not content with controlling the media, they even want to control the games their citizens play.
They'll partner with someone else (Score:2)
However, if Russia would partner together with China and India (for technology and marketshare) and a few South American countries (marketshare), they definitely would have high chances of succeeding.
Ohhh. (Score:2)
all for war (Score:2)
Comrade, you shall not waste your life playing games on your console, instead you should go to war and die for the motherland or slave in a factory making weapons for the war!