Man Flies To Florida To Attack Another Player Over an Online Gaming Dispute (apnews.com) 123
An anonymous reader quotes a report from the Associated Press: An online gaming dispute made its way to the real world when a New Jersey man flew to Florida to attack another player with a hammer, authorities said. Edward Kang, 20, is charged with attempted second-degree murder and armed burglary with a mask, according to Nassau County court records. He was arrested early Sunday morning. Kang and the victim, another young man around the same age as Kang, had never met in real life, but they both played ArcheAge, a medieval fantasy massively multiplayer online role-playing game. The game's publisher announced in April that it would be shutting down servers in Europe and North America on June 27, citing a declining number of active players.
Kang flew from Newark, New Jersey, to Jacksonville, Florida, last Thursday after telling his mother that he was going to visit a friend that he had met while playing a video game, officials said. Officials didn't say how Kang learned where the victim lives. Upon arrival, Kang took an Uber to a hotel in Fernandina Beach, about 35 miles north of Jacksonville, and then bought a hammer at a local hardware store, deputies said. Kang went to the victim's Fernandina Beach home, which was unlocked, around 2 a.m. Sunday, authorities said. The victim was walking out of his bedroom when he was confronted by Kang, who hit him on the head with the hammer, officials said. The two struggled as the victim called for help. His stepfather responded and helped to restrain Kang until police arrived. The victim suffered several head wounds that were not considered life-threatening, officials said. Online court records didn't list an attorney for Kang. He was being held without bond.
Kang flew from Newark, New Jersey, to Jacksonville, Florida, last Thursday after telling his mother that he was going to visit a friend that he had met while playing a video game, officials said. Officials didn't say how Kang learned where the victim lives. Upon arrival, Kang took an Uber to a hotel in Fernandina Beach, about 35 miles north of Jacksonville, and then bought a hammer at a local hardware store, deputies said. Kang went to the victim's Fernandina Beach home, which was unlocked, around 2 a.m. Sunday, authorities said. The victim was walking out of his bedroom when he was confronted by Kang, who hit him on the head with the hammer, officials said. The two struggled as the victim called for help. His stepfather responded and helped to restrain Kang until police arrived. The victim suffered several head wounds that were not considered life-threatening, officials said. Online court records didn't list an attorney for Kang. He was being held without bond.
back in the day some kids would just unplug the ga (Score:2)
back in the day some kids would just unplug the game to stop your from betting their score. But to go this far when some one beats your score.
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Beat my score?
I beat your ass!!!
Re:back in the day some kids would just unplug the (Score:4, Funny)
Dont blame me, I voted for Kodos!
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just unplug the game to stop your from betting their score.
That typically doesn't work anymore. At least in competitive games. Any anticheat will detect the disconnection and call the match null and void. Do that too many times however, and you'll probably get an account ban.
As for TFA, seriously, what the fuck.
Game Over (Score:3, Insightful)
Game Over!!
Get yourself a felony and ruin your life. Good job, dumbass!
Expect Dungeon and Dragons evil again.... (Score:3)
Expect them to blame the video game instead of mental instability yet again.
Tired of this demonization of anything not promoting dating, getting married, having children, consuming more and more houses, cars, vacations, expensive jewelry...
1950s
- Youth crime 'crisis'
- Comic book scare - Seduction of the innocent - Congressional hearings on comic books
- Rock and roll degenerates
1960s
- Youth culture
- Hippies
1970s ...
1980s
- Dungeons and Dragons
- Video games
- Heavy metal
- Backward masking in music
1990s
-...
2000s
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Expect them to blame the video game instead of mental instability yet again.
Tired of this demonization of anything not promoting dating, getting married, having children, consuming more and more houses, cars, vacations, expensive jewelry...
1950s - Youth crime 'crisis' - Comic book scare - Seduction of the innocent - Congressional hearings on comic books - Rock and roll degenerates
1960s - Youth culture - Hippies
1970s ...
1980s - Dungeons and Dragons - Video games - Heavy metal - Backward masking in music
1990s -...
2000s - ...
Same old, same old selling clickbait news articles and giving politicans a 'purity crisis' issue to run on
1970s had the start of satanic panic, with made up stories of sex cults penetrating so far as to make some psychiatrists actually promote the concept for the reason for most mental illness in the US.
But I think we've passed out of blaming video games. Too many people that grew up with them out there now. I keep waiting for somebody to be gutsy enough to say if these people would just stop reading the Bible they wouldn't have such violent thoughts. I mean, have you read that book? Stephen King got nothing on
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Expect them to blame the video game instead of mental instability yet again.
Tired of this demonization of anything not promoting dating, getting married, having children, consuming more and more houses, cars, vacations, expensive jewelry...
1950s - Youth crime 'crisis' - Comic book scare - Seduction of the innocent - Congressional hearings on comic books - Rock and roll degenerates
1960s - Youth culture - Hippies
1970s ...
1980s - Dungeons and Dragons - Video games - Heavy metal - Backward masking in music
1990s -...
2000s - ...
Same old, same old selling clickbait news articles and giving politicans a 'purity crisis' issue to run on
1970s it was Punk Rock and drugs
1990s it was the Satanic Panic aka Ritual Abuse (over lapping with D&D being Satanic) begun in the 80s and continuing to late 90s. As usual nothing ever proven just hysteria.
2010s It was all the Obama is going to take your guns, make himself President for life etc.
2020s It is the Satanic Panic again with it being Democrat politicians being the Satanists ritually killing babies for adrenochrome. The accusations against Democrats are straight out of the old Anti Semitic
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Re: Expect Dungeon and Dragons evil again.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Expect them to blame the video game instead of mental instability yet again.
It's the hammer. We need some stronger hammer control laws and a national registration scheme. And those fully semiautomatic pneumatic nailers need to be bannd outright.
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REF: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-t... [fbi.gov].
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Probably because there are a lot more hammers around
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No one cares - 100 people die at work every week (Score:2)
https://www.statista.com/stati... [statista.com]
100 people die at work every week, every year, 90 of them are men. In the USA every week for decades.
It 90 people died in a fire, shipwreck, plane crash it is national news for months, with congressional investigations, politicians seeking political career improving laws.
90 men die at work a week and 10 women die at work a week and no one ever reports on it, cares about it.
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Re:Game Over (Score:5, Funny)
Get yourself a felony and ruin your life. Good job, dumbass!
It's not that bad. You may not be able to find employment at McD but you can still run for president...
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Game Over!!
Nah, just load your saved game and try again.
He saved his game, didn't he? Wait, what? What's this about that one cannot save and reload games in life? What a crappy game, this life!
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Thats the point (Score:2)
He clearly IS a dumbass. I doubt he'd have been on the shortlist for Nasas rocket scientist training program.
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The only thing short he's been on is probably a bus.
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No worries. Due to the nature of the act, he's going to be charged as a child.
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FYI: The punishment only gets worse from there.
1 Gamer Score. [trueachievements.com]
Ah yes (Score:5, Funny)
The rare reverse-Florida-man.
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Rarely seen in the wild.
Re: Ah yes (Score:2)
Gives you some perspective about Los Angeles, what passes for normal here always makes national news when it happens anywhere in Florida. Shit, we get mass shootings seemingly once a week and every time it basically goes like this:
https://youtu.be/yMxY0Lxo_ow?t... [youtu.be]
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Gives you some perspective about Los Angeles, what passes for normal here always makes national news when it happens anywhere in Florida. Shit, we get mass shootings seemingly once a week and every time it basically goes like this:
https://youtu.be/yMxY0Lxo_ow?t... [youtu.be]
It's national news because Florida Man didn't shot the intruder when he stepped on his lawn...
Re: Ah yes (Score:2)
Look again, there was one the day you posted that. Besides, that list is far from comprehensive. Doesn't include incidents like this for example:
https://2urbangirls.com/2024/0... [2urbangirls.com]
My guess is Wikipedia doesn't count Los Angeles gang shootings, probably because they'd run out of disk space.
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A real Florida Man might've made a trip to attack someone, but he would've ended up in the wrong state and hitting himself in the head.
Kang the... (Score:2)
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!
Re:Ah yes (Score:5, Funny)
The rare reverse-Florida-man.
If anyone is going to out-Florida Florida Man it's going to be New Jersey Man.
I mean when you see "Vermont Man" you expect to follow it up with "bought sensible sweater".
Jersey man V Florida Man, FIGHT! (Score:4, Funny)
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The important thing is that we do win!
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I've got the perfect theme music though.... (Score:2)
The Beatles: Maxwell's Silver Hammer
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Yeah but what is their k/d ratio?
Just give the US a shake. (Score:2)
And invariably all the nuts pachinko themselves down to Florida.
Re: Just give the US a shake. (Score:2)
Or Texas
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Have you been to California?
Re: Just give the US a shake. (Score:3)
Our nuts are billionaires because we're so good at capitalism here in socialist California.
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I lived in California for 40 years. The nuts are everywhere.
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It's all about the chili-lime Pistachios.
And some of the nutty people are good too. I live in a town with self-described witches running crystal shops, and 50+ year old skaters just hanging out soaking in the vibes. Californians are a real trip sometimes.
LAN Parties Are Better (Score:2)
Then you can just walk across the room and smack them. I miss the good ol' days. The internet ruined everything.
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Archage (Score:2)
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My first thought was "I never heard of it, maybe I'll check it out". Lol, shutting down tomorrow. Apparently for good reasons.
On the positive side... (Score:2)
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You probably got that exactly right. Weird that you got downvoted. Had I mod points, I would upvote your comment.
Second degree? (Score:5, Interesting)
How is that attempted second degree murder? It was pre-mediated and planned. Shouldn’t it be first degree?
Re:Second degree? (Score:4, Interesting)
There's more to it than premeditation. Intent to cause serious bodily harm without actually killing someone is a second degree murder. Also the kind of escalation events from a fucked up mind-set can often be classed as second degree murder. I.e. yeah he *may* have gone there to kill the guy but it that in itself doesn't necessarily make a murder pre-meditated. - You typically see this in cases where victims intend to kill each other but don't actually know each other.
There's a lot of wiggle room between 1st and 2nd degree.
Unintentional killing is only the most obvious case.
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I'm not getting it. What elements of attempted first degree murder are missing? He bought a plane ticket. He made up a lie to his mother. He flew on a plane. He bought a hammer. He took an Uber. He was in Florida for 2 days. He was of sound mind, in full control of his mental faculties and came up with a plan. He had multiple changes of scenery and location .. he even had 3 nights of sleep .. yet was steadfast in his plan.
Prosecutorial discretion (Score:5, Informative)
None of us on this Slashdot forum are privy to the details of this case. All we know is what is written up in news articles. Meanwhile, the prosecutor does have access to all the details, and it's his job to get a conviction. Those details may leave some doubt as to whether or not it was premeditated. If he brings a 1st degree charge, he has to have the evidence to back it up, or he might lose to a hung jury. On the other hand, he's got a textbook case of 2nd degree murder, which, as defined by Florida Law [state.fl.us], is "The unlawful [attempted] killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life". So, when faced with a chance to lose a 1st degree case vs earn an open-and-shut win on a 2nd degree case, combined (likely) with some possible sympathy / empathy for not wanting to lock away some stupid 20-year-old for the rest of his life because he got pissed playing a game and did something stupid about it, is why I suspect he chose the 2nd-degree route.
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A prosecutor's real job is to get to the truth which is a critical line away from getting a conviction. If, during the course of investigation and legal proceedings, it comes out that the defendant in any case is not guilty or is potentially guilty of a different crime then that must guide the prosecution's actions.
They are not supposed to blindly seek convictions but uphold and apply the law appropriately.
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They are not supposed to blindly seek convictions but uphold and apply the law appropriately.
Sure, but their KPI is how many people they lock up
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Unfortunately, that is true in many/most jurisdictions but that's not what our system is supposed to be.
My point in posting was to note that having a conviction rate KPI is wrong.
Yes, I'm being an idealist but someone has to be.
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Yeah and I bet the hardware store sold more dangerous things like a hatchet, or some fairly long blades. I don't think a premeditated murderer would go to the hardware store and choose a hammer as his preferred murder weapon, not that this guy sounds particularly sane.
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None of us on this Slashdot forum are privy to the details of this case.
exactly right, there is surely a lot more to this story than the headline. which ofc won't prevent slashdotters to throw themselves all out over the clickbait with all kinds of preconceptions and nonsense. a few brilliant jokes inbetween are the bonus for reading all this tripe.
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You could just google the guy's name. He is not black. Maybe not every reporter or police department is obsessed with ensuring people knowing a perpetrators race? What was his hair color? Is he a Pepsi drinker?
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You just showed a process conducted. You didn't show the intent to kill. There are other possible intents, intent to scare, intent to maim, intent to steal (leading to potential felony murder). Just because I want to meet you in a parking lot doesn't mean I intend pre-mediated to ensure you're buried in it.
That's the key. Also we only have limited information here, I presume that the people who are prosecuting have more to go on than a Slashdot summary. So what are you (and I) missing? A LOT.
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Not all states have the same laws regarding 2nd degree vs 1st degree murder.
Louisian
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Attorney: it varies (Score:2)
I am an attorney, but this is not legal advice. Pay my retainer if you want advice! Besides, I'm probably not licensed in your jurisdiction.
The Common Law shared by the US states, Britain, and pretty much all jurisdictions defines murder and two forms (voluntary and involuntary) of manslaughter.
It does *not* distinguish "degrees" of murder. Rather, those are made by state legislatures, and vary from state to state.
For example, I think it's New York where only killing a police officer constitutes first de
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Marge: Florida Man! No! (Score:2)
Florida Man standing behind Marge: "What?"
Marge: "Sorry, force of habit."
Bad writeup (Score:2)
The New York Times article about this is better. Still, the only reason the attacker offered was "He is a bad person online."
Ban assault hammers NOW! (Score:3)
Re:Ban assault hammers NOW! (Score:4, Informative)
I bought a bump stock for my hammer.
Once again (Score:2)
This is why women would rather be alone in the woods with a bear than a man.
At least this case isn't as bad as the guy who flew to Europe to kidnap and murder his estranged wife [cnn.com].
Non life-theatening head wounds? (Score:3)
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Funny thing is he bought a hammer in a state that makes buying a gun pretty easy.
And didn't know the guy lived with other people greatly increasing his odds of failure.
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Funny thing is he bought a hammer in a state that makes buying a gun pretty easy.
And didn't know the guy lived with other people greatly increasing his odds of failure.
Erm, he flew to another state to attack someone over a slight in an online video game... Something tells me he's not the brightest button on the shirt (and that is a good thing).
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Yeah but the guy stole the loot drop from the big boss they all worked together for 25 minutes to kill!
Fuck that guy, where's my hammer?!
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Use this headline (Score:2)
"Jersey Man Comes to Florida To Be Florida Man"
Ban Hammers! (Score:2)
So are blue politicians going to be up in arms about banning hammers now? We all know that it was the fault of the hammer and not the mentally unstable person wielding it. If it has a black rugged grip on the hammer will that be considered an assault hammer? What about sledge hammers? Nobody needs a 10 pound sledge hammer! We need legislation put in place so no American can own a sledge hammer over 2.5 pounds.... Oh yeah, it's to save the children.
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You are a member of a death cult. You want innocent people to die. Your attempt at sarcasm is an expression of your psychopathic tendencies. Your are a de facto fanboy of mass murders.
Cloudsongs don’t grow on trees (Score:2)
old news (Score:2)
The US is just catching up.
Address Privacy (Score:2)
People take games waaaay to seriously (Score:2)
I'm guessing that the victim of the hammer attack was probably an ass in the game and pushed the other guy too far. Yes I'm victim blaming. Anyone that's played at least one online game knows how toxic the environment is.
As for the attacker, he's a moron for letting some anonymous idiot get under his skin enough to even contemplate something like this.
It's just a damn game!
Burglary "with a mask"? (Score:2)
See? (Score:2)
second-degree murder and armed burglary with a mask
Wearing masks doesn't save lives.
under "criminally insane" (Score:2)
If he doesn't call it a hammer, but instead refers to it in the third person with a name from Asgard: Mjolnir
Some game I've never heard of (Score:2)
We live in a different world than the '90s. Not only is this one of those massive online games (which I *think* only existed in text form in the 90s, like Gemstone), but apparently it's popular enough to evoke this level of emotion from a player, and despite that it's one that was never even on my radar. And I consider myself a fan of video games.
It used to be that there were a handful of popular games released each year and most fans knew what they were. Niche games had niche audiences. Now even the niches
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The whole thing is even more coo-coo-bananas when you realize that the game was shutting down shortly... literally tomorrow.
"As a publisher of games, it is our mission to provide our players with great and enjoyable gaming experiences, so it is with heavy hearts that we announce the official closure of our ArcheAge servers, effective June 27, 2024. "
Whatever dispute they had, the whole thing was about to be completely moot anyway.
Perhaps he'd been listening to the Beatles? (Score:2)
Bang bang Maxwell's silver hammer...
The judge better be careful!
Re:I never want to piss somebody off so much (Score:4, Funny)
Now you've done it, a dozen Tucson residents are flying out to meet you.
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Now you've done it, a dozen Tucson residents are flying out to meet you.
I have never heard a more terrifying series of words uttered.
Re:I never want to piss somebody off so much (Score:4, Funny)
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Is that a Hamlet 2 comment regarding Tucson (from the movie intro: "where dreams go to die").
Great movie, the musical bit at the end was fantastic.
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C'mon, man, this one is way too easy. This isn't even low hanging fruit. You left it on the ground.
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Nothing proves that you're not American better than knowledge of geography, IMHO
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Or perhaps he attacked to get publicity for the game so there would not be the last day.