Marvel Game Developer Reverses Century-Long Bans on Linux, Mac Users (arstechnica.com) 31
NetEase has reversed 100-year bans imposed on "Marvel Rivals" players using Linux and Mac compatibility tools in December 2024, following intervention from CodeWeavers' CEO and player complaints.
The game's anti-cheat system had banned players until 2124 for using Proton and CrossOver software on Steam Deck and Apple devices. The company stated on Discord it "will not ban players who are playing fairly and without cheating" but has made no broader commitments regarding compatibility tools.
The game's anti-cheat system had banned players until 2124 for using Proton and CrossOver software on Steam Deck and Apple devices. The company stated on Discord it "will not ban players who are playing fairly and without cheating" but has made no broader commitments regarding compatibility tools.
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Eh, I can give them the benefit of the doubt here for making a mistake. It happened some years ago with Blizzard too; a handful of cheaters had figured out how to patch Wine to give them an advantage in World of Warcraft, which seemed to be how Blizzard management at the time discovered people were using Wine to play their games, and summarily banned the lot of them. After some degree of public outcry the bans were lifted except, allegedly, just the players who were actually cheating this way.
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At first glance I get what you're saying, but it's just a matter of how anti-cheat software is easier to circumvent in a Linux environment, apparently. Games like Black Ops or even Apex Legends recently on Steam announced when they stopped supporting Linux users the amount of cheaters found in any one game dropped dramatically. It's not that people who run Linux are all cheaters, but Linux is the platform best for cheaters to use. In competitive, PvP games this is a massive problem as at least half the lobb
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Well it makes some sense that it's easier to cheat on Linux, simply because Linux isn't intentionally designed to be actively user-hostile the way Windows is.
(Some parts of the Linux community, on the other hand...)
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Sad to see you get a Troll mod for two Insightful sentences, though I think most Linux communities are friendlier than average in the Unix world.
Re: I wonder if Microsoft paid for such bans (Score:5, Funny)
"Plus, if you can install Linux, I imagine you can dual boot with Windows if you really want to game. You're probably not a dummy =)"
But if he's not a dummy, he won't want to dual boot Windows.
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dual booting Windows is a non-starter on say, a Steam Deck, because it relies on installing Windows, and getting it set up properly on it, plus a Windows license needs to be obtained
You can buy a Windows key for twenty bucks, and from what I understand the Steam Deck actually works pretty well with Windows now. On the other hand, I also hear that Lutris works on it, I would rather go that direction than put more stuff in Steam that doesn't need to be there. Lutris also doesn't need Galaxy to install games from GOG. It does need the Epic store for those games, but that does work fine.
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Many "anti-cheat" softwares are basically rootkits
Note even close. Unless you're one of those idiot tech illiterate gamers who thinks that every anti-cheat runs at kernel level, and everything that runs at kernel level is a "rootkit".
Validate the inputs on the server
You...dont know how multiplayer games or cheating works, do you? "Validating inputs" has nothing to do with the kind of cheats these solutions are looking for. Cheaters aren't entering the Konami Code to get extra lives in Fortnite.
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I think much of this is due to PvP. Ie, player-vs-player. If this was all single player games they wouldn't care. But with PvP games there are ALWAYS loud complains about cheaters. After all the primary rule of PvP is that if you win it was because you were the better skilled player, but if you lose it was because the other guy cheated. Players will be extremely upset if the network latency favors one location over another, so games often take care to balance things out or take into account latency.
The
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They are not trying to detect cheating. That would be easy to do but expensive as it would require humans that review things. They are simply doing some cheap classical anomaly detection, which suffers from high false positives in non-standard configurations. And they do not care who they hit.
Another reason to not play anything "Marvel".
Harrison Bergeron (Score:1)
We've got to weigh down everyone else to keep them equal [wikipedia.org] with Windows.
100 year bans? (Score:1)
None of them have been around for 100 years.
(Marvel, Linux, or Mac)
Re:100 year bans? (Score:5, Funny)
None of them have been around for 100 years.
(Marvel, Linux, or Mac)
But Apple has since the Garden of Eden; as proven by one wrong byte and the system crashed.
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They banned the players for 100 years, starting in 2024.
I misread that at first, too.
Revenue down? (Score:3)
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People already bought this product. They were banned after the fact. I don't think you understand what this story is about.
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People already bought this product. They were banned after the fact. I don't think you understand what this story is about.
I think you don't understand sarcasm.
Would you go back? (Score:3)
I'm amazed anyone returns after a banning like that. Not enough to sue over and sweet fuck-all you can do - support is going to ignore you and assume you're guilty of whatever they banned you for.
Would you ever trust them with your money again?
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It's a F2P game, what money ?
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They sell skins.
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I would never trust people like that with my _time_ again.
Huh, I don't have any Marvel games.... (Score:2)
in my line of work... (Score:2)
It would appear in gaming a similar phase exists: "I don't know how wine/crossover/proton works, therefore it must be cheating."
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To be fair, I would definitely argue a simple majority of all jobs ARE very easy to do. Vast majority of us don't do "hard" jobs that require a lot of mental power. Most jobs don't require a degree and on the job training would be sufficient. Obviously, a non-trivial amount of jobs are "hard" and require advance degrees and skillsets, but that's much less then 50% of all jobs.
Programming, nursing, doctoring, engineering, a handful of others. Those require a lot more then most jobs.