

Games Run Faster On SteamOS Than Windows 11, Ars Testing Finds (arstechnica.com) 81
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Nearly a decade ago, Ars testing found that Valve's "Steam Machines"-era version of SteamOS performed significantly worse than Windows when SteamOS's Linux game ports were tested on the same hardware as their Windows counterparts. Today, though, Ars testing on the Lenovo Legion Go S finds recent games generally run at higher frame rates on SteamOS 3.7 than on Windows 11. [...]
As you can see in the included charts, SteamOS showed noticeable frame rate improvements in four of the five games tested. Only Borderlands 3 showed comparable performance across both operating systems, with Windows eking out ever-so-slightly higher frame rates in that game's benchmarks. For the other four tested games, the stock Lenovo Windows drivers were sometimes significantly worse than those included with SteamOS. When playing Returnal at "High" graphics presets and 1920x1200 resolution, for instance, changing from Lenovo's Windows drivers to SteamOS meant the difference between a hard-to-take 18 FPS average and a downright decent 33 FPS average. Sideloading the updated Asus drivers showed a noticeable improvement in Windows performance across all tested games and even brought Homeworld 3's "Low" graphics benchmark test to practical parity with SteamOS. In all other cases, though, even these updated drivers resulted in benchmark frame rates anywhere from 8 percent to 36 percent lower than those same benchmarks on SteamOS.
These results might seem a bit counterintuitive, considering that games running on SteamOS must go through a Proton translation layer for every native Windows instruction in a game's code. But Valve has put in consistent work over the years to make Proton as efficient and cross-compatible as possible; not to mention its continued work on Linux's Mesa graphics drivers seems to be paying dividends for SteamOS graphics performance. Running SteamOS also means eliminating a lot of operating system overhead that the more generalist Windows uses by default. Microsoft seems aware of this issue for gamers and has recently announced that the upcoming "Xbox Experience for Handheld" will "minimize background activity and defer non-essential tasks" to allow for "more [and] higher framerates" in games.
As you can see in the included charts, SteamOS showed noticeable frame rate improvements in four of the five games tested. Only Borderlands 3 showed comparable performance across both operating systems, with Windows eking out ever-so-slightly higher frame rates in that game's benchmarks. For the other four tested games, the stock Lenovo Windows drivers were sometimes significantly worse than those included with SteamOS. When playing Returnal at "High" graphics presets and 1920x1200 resolution, for instance, changing from Lenovo's Windows drivers to SteamOS meant the difference between a hard-to-take 18 FPS average and a downright decent 33 FPS average. Sideloading the updated Asus drivers showed a noticeable improvement in Windows performance across all tested games and even brought Homeworld 3's "Low" graphics benchmark test to practical parity with SteamOS. In all other cases, though, even these updated drivers resulted in benchmark frame rates anywhere from 8 percent to 36 percent lower than those same benchmarks on SteamOS.
These results might seem a bit counterintuitive, considering that games running on SteamOS must go through a Proton translation layer for every native Windows instruction in a game's code. But Valve has put in consistent work over the years to make Proton as efficient and cross-compatible as possible; not to mention its continued work on Linux's Mesa graphics drivers seems to be paying dividends for SteamOS graphics performance. Running SteamOS also means eliminating a lot of operating system overhead that the more generalist Windows uses by default. Microsoft seems aware of this issue for gamers and has recently announced that the upcoming "Xbox Experience for Handheld" will "minimize background activity and defer non-essential tasks" to allow for "more [and] higher framerates" in games.
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So very soon Linux will replace Windows as my default OS.
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Decade of linux on desktop is almost upon us!
Sad part is, this nonsense is the result of linux being so utterly uncompetitive on desktop. Microsoft didn't even feel the need to make some kind of a "game mode" that would shut down spyware and other background nonsense when it detects that a game is running, much less actually optimize the OS for performance properly.
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I jettisoned Windows out of my home about 6 months before Win7 went EOL and went full time Linux. Steam has come a long way over the past 5 years and I'm always surprised what runs natively now. Proton is pretty good for the most part, though of course some games just don't want to play nice. A lot of the games that don't work well are super old and likely wouldn't be working on Windows any better.
I recently got a new laptop with Windows 11, a Dell with 16gb ram. My jaw dropped when I saw half the ram was u
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When you say "used up" what do you mean? In modern operating systems, including Linux and Windows, the amount of "free RAM" doesn't mean anything useful. It's not like the old DOS days. When programs are not running, the OS should be using as much RAM as it can, for caching files and other disk-based resources. As fast as SSD is, RAM is still faster. So it makes sense for Windows to copy as much stuff into RAM as possible, and page it out later when needed. Shaving RAM usage down, as you put it, is us
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I'm no Windows or Dell preload expert, but Xubuntu is doing everything I want it to do and only eating up 1.1gb ram. Windows some how gobbled up 7.2x the resources to offer the same amount of needed services. So I can only guess on what the fuck it was doing in the background. I did shutdown quite a few services that were optional.
I don't see the point in having a ton of things running in the background "just in case" I may need them. I like to have my fastest memory resources be available for programs and
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Microsoft didn't even feel the need to make some kind of a "game mode" that would shut down spyware and other background nonsense when it detects that a game is running, much less actually optimize the OS for performance properly.
They did literally that. [xbox.com]
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They literally did that years into win11 release, after years of reports that same games ran much worse in 11 than on 10. And that literally still doesn't work properly, because that "separate mode" doesn't shut down most of the background processes, it just sorta kinda suspends them and they will still randomly unsuspend at times.
Which is why linux+proton runs windows games better than native 11. But you can in fact get a stripped down version of 11 where all those background processes are actually removed
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Topic is:
>Games Run Faster On SteamOS Than Windows 11
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Linux has been competitive on the desktop for more than a decade. Currently, Linux is much better than Windows on the desktop. The qualify of the Linux users is not the reason why Linux failed to break the 5% desktop barrier yet. The real story is more about knuckle dragging users with no concept of security or dignity. Look in the mirror, do you see of those?
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The qualify of the Linux desktop is not the reason why Linux failed to break the 5% desktop barrier yet. The real story is more about knuckle dragging users with no concept of security or dignity. Look in the mirror, do you see of those?
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Catastrophic loss due to the fact that most consumer end software doesn't run on linux. What runs often runs in a way users aren't used to.
And let's not get into "troubleshooting? Just read this manual, then that manual, then these manuals, then use the command line and what you learned from the manuals".
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Nowadays? Basically never. It's hilariously stable.
Removing advertisements and telemetry requires zero "retraining", because users aren't trained to interact with those elements in any meaningful way in the first place. Telemetry is basically fully hidden unless you're an admin in enterprise. Ads are, well banners and links.
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Loool dude you're like the most contrarian person in the whole site. ;)
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Microsoft 10 year strategy (Score:4, Interesting)
I would love to know what microsoft's 10 year roadmap is.
They're barely even trying with windows.
Wine gets better all the time.
They're pushing cloud office tools.
In the past you'd want outlook, word, and excel, People were used to windows, so you'd get a domain controller and office suite and hell since we're already here guess we'll license a bunch of other shit too.
But what happens when you're already on o365 and you got a tight budget and you gotta refresh 200 desktops to run the latest version of windows?
Maybe we'll just run linux? From there out the whole ecosystem lock in starts to fall apart. I would have considered this linux fanboy fantasy 10 years ago.
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It's worth remembering that "windows 10 is last windows you need to buy" was their long term roadmap when win10 comes out.
Those don't last.
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Our network operations room has a debian 12 box with a pair of radeon cards that drives six 4k tv's and an ancient old 1080p monitor to display network graphs and video surveillance feeds. We run a different DPI on the 1080p one.
I don't recall it being hard to get running. The worst thing for us was figuring out the wacky KDE system of each permutation of monitors having it's own physical layout config. Drove us crazy as we got each additional TV connected.
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Well, for starters, if you're using Wayland you have to use wlr-randr instead of xrandr; xrandr is for X11. Your only problem may very well have been that you were skimming outdated documentation for the wrong software.
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Proton (basically a gaming based wine fork) has been amazing for 2+ years. Don't try and use default wine.
Most of these games don't have a native linux version, but are built to play nice with proton.
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Proton changes get fed back into Wine. The reverse is also true, but Proton can be expected to lead a bit for games.
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The experience I find is often superior. Because it fires up in an instant.
With Steam, it fires up many things before, Shop, Game Collection, then you having to Log-in.
Which may take a minute or two - or feels that way.
On Steam I have those old Missing Objects games (PopCap) which I gave up playing because can't be bothered waiting for the whole Steam Portal firing up thing. Feels like an eternity for such a light game. T
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Why should it be a surprise? LInux dominates the rest of the world, this is just the second last remaining island of Microsoft Horror.
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I went ahead with this! I use Bazzite or Nobara as my main OS - and I love it. (Bazzite has been generally more stable for me, and I like the immutable platform its on. Nobara is definitely easier though.)
But... there are issues.
- General game compatibility isn't one of them - games often run on SteamOS that wouldn't even run on modern versions of Windows. Other don't. It's a mixed bag, but it's not worse than Windows.
- HDR support - this is a sore spot, but it's getting better. In particular, there's no wa
Year of the Linux desktop (Score:2)
So very soon Linux will replace Windows as my default OS.
2059 will be a watershed year for Linux.
Now if only linux had games I would... (Score:2)
Wait, what?
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You can play MSFS in linux if you're using steam through proton.
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We have passed a decade or two reading things like small people stay on Windows because game availability or some DirectX thing or whatever (I don't know exactly I'm not a gamer). Now not only game availability is the same (on Steam according to recent slashdot news), but the performance has improved to the point it's not only on par, it's an edge for Linux. While I'm not expecting a landslide for Linux tomorrow morning, this seems an appropriate milestone to celebrate on a forum with a good fraction of Lin
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Microsoft is buying up gaming studios, so the future of compatibility isn't clear.
I wouldn't be surprised if a future version of Battle.net requires Windows 11
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FUD. Microsoft is actually in the midst of a creeping shutdown of its game assets.
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They only just completed the acquisition of Activision Blizzard in October 2023
They bought ZeniMax in 2021
They are now the largest gaming company in the world
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Bad luck, huh?
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Bad luck they've bought their way into being so successful at gaming?
They just pulled back from gaming hardware, because it's unprofitable, and went all in on software, where the profit is.
They're releasing previously Xbox exclusive games to PS5.
It looks like their future console strategy is to produce gaming PC's in the shape of a console that run any Windows game available through a 'store' like Steam or Epic Games, or Microsoft Store
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If Microsoft was successful at gaming then they would not be gutting their xbox division right now. Microsoft is successful at spending monopoly money, I will grant you that.
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In typical Microsoft fashion, they paid top dollar for Zenimax then how many Elder Scrolls sequels have we seen? Fallout? Right. Microsoft doing Microsoft.
Then there's Bungie... In short, Microsoft is where decent companies cash out to die.
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They only just completed the acquisition of Activision Blizzard in October 2023
They bought ZeniMax in 2021
They are now the largest gaming company in the world
Let's evaluate that after the new Elder Scrolls game for another bought company launches (if it ever does)
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Yeah and rite aid bought bartell a few years from their first bankruptcy.
I know some people will always play the latest CoD or whatever but these days games don't improve that much so a lot of people won't feel like new game X or Y is a compelling reason to stick with windows.
Especially when the latest windows might not play their old favorites as well or linux offers some performance benefits or little timmy's gaming computer can't even run the latest windows anyhow
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It looks like they want to get rid of their gaming assets quietly, yes. No idea why they bought them in the first place.
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Copilot for Edging (Score:2)
You should install the microsoft copilot chat extension for edge. It'll help you avoid embarrassing grammar issues.
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Spotted the stupid person.
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It's especially puzzling that while all this is happening they're practically forcing people onto cloud office suite.
Proton at home, o365 at work. Sure o365 is recurring revenue for them but their victims aren't stupid either and when companies are tightening up their budgets that high monthly bill will start looking like a good brag to have on an annual evaluation.
There was always the fear of it not working right if they migrated off office but I think people care less these days if a word document doesn'
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Because GNU/Linux being better at running Windows games than Windows is is fantastic news and not something most people are aware of?
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On a specifically tuned for steamos device that cannot use the latest windows graphics drivers....
- If you have NVIDIA (which is a HUGE majority of the market) then games will run worse on linux, including linux native ones
- SteamOS isn't supported on desktops yet, even if you're 100% AMD, so this is limited to a small selection of handhelds
- If you have a 100% AMD desktop proton runs games VERY well, but most games are going to benchmark slower.
Once/If SteamOS is supported on desktops then this will be awe
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Grasping at straws are we?
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I'm not sure which side of the discussion you're on from that reply, I was fairly balanced. I can try to restate again..
- linux gaming on amd is awesome with steam/proton
- linux gaming on nvidia is generally substandard but works well for some people
- Gaming is still generally more performant on windows
- The article title is misleading. A few specific games on a specific device ran faster on Linux than on windows. This isn't a large win for anyone except the people who optimised proton for this very spec
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Gaming is still generally more performant on windows
Seems you have difficulty reading articles.
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Windows 11 is noticeable slower than Windows 10, so it's not surprising.
Microsoft has gone downhill in performance and usability since Windows 7.
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That's something I would like to have benchmarks. A new performance comparison between Linux/Proton vs Windows 10 instead of Windows 11.
I guess they will be more or less equal.
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Windows 11 is a shit show (Score:1)
I'm guessing it's because the OS is siphoning all your data to train Microsoft AIs.
unfortunately for a lot of games the anti cheat software won't work under steamos or Linux. Marvel rivals though has got actual support for steamos. Which I suspect is why Microsoft is
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I'm guessing it's because the OS is siphoning all your data to train Microsoft AIs
That, plus Microsoft devs are just as crap as they ever were.
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I'm guessing it's because the OS is siphoning all your data to train Microsoft AIs
That, plus Microsoft devs are just as crap as they ever were.
Yep. MS does its pathetic products as cheaply as possible. And the mountain of issues is getting larger and larger. At this time, Windows and Office can probably not be fixed anymore, they can just be kept alive. For a while. And then all that tech debt will kill them. May still take 10 years ot longer though. But it does not look good.
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Microsoft devs aren't crap. They're really really smart guys usually.
Microsoft is just a shit place to work and gets shittier every day,
Also they have a whole ecosystem of shitty indian bodyshops that will hire anyone anywhere as long as they have a pulse and take on microsoft projects and make them shittier, My wife interviewed with a microsoft vendor once and she told them she had zero requirements and wouldn't accept the offer and they BEGGED her to take it anyhow.
I looked up the vendor and they had
Only going to get better (Score:4, Interesting)
The more Microsoft hates it end users (and gamers) the more you are going to see Linux start to make inroads. It's ironic how Microsoft is the one making Linux a better option. Windows 11 was the best thing to ever happen for Linux. I hope Windows 12 continues this trend. The cycle of Microsoft's good version/bad version of Windows ended many years ago with bad version.
Stupid headline is stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
The correct headline is: "Lenovo Legion Go S performs better with custom SteamOS than Windows 11". This isn't a Windows vs Linux debate. The actual performance difference between the OSes is a complete crapshoot that varies greatly from device to device and specific implementation to implementation.
Even today people who run Windows 11 on the Steamdeck (it's got bugs, the main reason to do this is for compatibility with the few games that don't run on Proton) find a mixed bag between games which perform better in one OS vs the other.
Any article that says Windows 11 is slower than SteamOS is wrong. Any article that says Windows 11 is faster than SteamOS is wrong. There are soo many variables that are uncontrolled in these statements.
That said there is one performance difference that does seem to be consistent. For those people who have run tests on frame time consistency it seems SteamOS has universally beaten Windows in this. Even with a slower frame rate it can be more appealing to use than a stuttering game.
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Only games with anti cheat executables need real windows.
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And obviously, those dongles are actually anti-Linux, with anti-cheat just being a fig leaf to avoid criminal liability. Unlikely to work.
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Only games with anti cheat executables need real windows.
Yes. And that covers a lot of games, especially popular ones which is why so many people do in fact install Windows 11 on their Steamdeck.
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and when you get 0 fps on games that anti cheat blocks linuix?
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Haha. Is that a new French distro you're referring to? Lon-wee?
No waaaaay! (Score:1)
You mean games run faster on an actual operating system than a piece of software specifically designed to be slow, buggy and cumbersome in order to regularly help sell new versions of it along with hardware with ever increasing power levels? ...
No waaaaay!
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games running on SteamOS must go through a Proton translation layer for every native Windows instruction in a game's code
There is no instruction translation. It's x86-64 instructions being executed on an x86-64 processor.
Proton re-implements the Windows API's
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Clueless copywriter obviously meant directX operation, not "instruction", in which case the point is valid and more than interesting.
Are these old games? (Score:2)
According to a Rediitor https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmas... [reddit.com]
Using DXVK to translate DirectX to Vulkan multi-threads the CPU side of the graphics calls, lowering overhead for old games when you have cores to spare.
For newer games that are already multi-threaded in this area, it doesn't provide any benefit.
So what is to blame here? (Score:2)
Not surprised, Linux desktops are faster too (Score:2)
I had a dual boot Win 7 Pro, Devuan 3 system for awhile. Each OS had it's own harddisk and both were bare bone minimal installs. I had manually shutdown every background Windows processes I could to eek out the best performance I could when running Windows. I didn't even have any active antivirus running on it as I only used it for FF XIV. I'd run an offline scan of the partition every week and would reset the partition to a clean image every couple months when FF XIV got an update. The Linux boot was ju