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GameToo Much...... And Die! 913

A 24-year-old South Korean man died after playing computer games nonstop for 86 hours, police said yesterday. The jobless man, identified by police only by his last name Kim, was found dead at an Internet cafe in Kwangju, 260 kilometres southwest of Seoul, they said. Quoting witnesses, police detective Oh Myong-sik in Kwangju said the man had been virtually glued to the computer since late last Friday and had no decent sleep and meals. The man collapsed in front of the counter early yesterday but soon regained consciousness. He then went to the toilet where he later was found dead, the police officer said. Initial investigation ruled out the possibility of murder, police said. An autopsy was planned. Source Article can be found in The Sydney Morning Herald
In related gaming news: sam_handelman writes "In an article on the front page of the online edition, (free reg required) the new york times takes a rather negative look at the rise of broadband gaming in South Korea. The author, Howard W French, is a Times staff writer, with a background in staggering human tragedy, which may help to explain why he thinks my hobby is an epidemic. There was a wired article about Korean broadband (summary: they have lots), which we already discussed."
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  • In other news... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by JanusFury ( 452699 ) <kevin.gadd@gmail.COBOLcom minus language> on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:11PM (#4420957) Homepage Journal
    A man recently died after drinking 15 gallons of beer.

    Too much of anything is never good... don't people ever learn? First we had that guy who committed suicide after he played way too much EverQuest and spiraled into depression, and now this.
    • Game Over (Score:5, Funny)

      by vvenka1 ( 603288 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:42PM (#4421143)
      Gives a different meaning to the phrase "Game Over"
      • by kofox ( 615130 ) on Thursday October 10, 2002 @12:08AM (#4421873)
        Personally i hate games in which you completely defeat them and you get a nice big dick in the ass "Game over". That is what happens when you die from not being good enough at the game. "The end" is a reward from mastering the game and not being able to go any farther, hence "the end". Not to say this person reached the end of the game, and not to say he didn't deserve a "game over", but i am venting my frustrations with such games such as final fight for snes, or super smash brothers
    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @10:37PM (#4421416)
      "played way too much EverQuest and spiraled into depression"

      Actually, that guy was already a depressive. He'd been warned by both his doctor and his shrink to stop playing the game and chose to continue, anyway. Bizarely, his mother now wants a warning sticker put on the box because, obviously, a sticker would stop people who're ignoring medical and psychiatric professionals.

      • by ShadeEagle ( 153172 ) <tehshingen@gmBOYSENail.com minus berry> on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @11:19PM (#4421654) Journal
        That bit of news actually got me started on EQ...

        I found that some games (EQ especially) are extremely addictive. I'll stick with EQ for the moment...

        Why is EQ addicting? Simply put, it's a persistant online world. If I take a week off, those level 4 characters might outlevel me in that week... if I take a month off, I might become the lowest level character in the guild... Man's obsession of becoming the Top Dog at work?

        Ultimately, these news stories are rather extreme examples... but the extreme examples are news. Hearing about how little Timmy forgot to do his homework thanks to the latest Super Mario game doesn't make the front page... We don't hear about Jim the EQ addict who forgot to go to work for a week, and got fired. We have to wait till someone dies or goes on a rampage before we stand up and take notice.

        Earlier in this thread someone stated a quote about all things in moderation - It can be applied to anything. Video games. Work. Clubbing. Drinking. Sex. Sports.

        Yet another example of how we as humans get addicted to something.

        Sadly, all that will come of any of these stories is legislation, and not "Gamers Anonymous" or something like that.
  • by ErikTheRed ( 162431 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:12PM (#4420963) Homepage
    Geez, dude needed to work on his stamina...
  • Game? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Avalerion ( 610959 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:12PM (#4420964)
    I just want to know what game he was playing... Maybe another EverQuest victim?
    • Wouldn't it be funny if he was trying to beat Doom II? Or some other old game that everybody's beaten? And especially if he didn't make it past the first level or didn't know how to switch guns or something.

      Well, I guess it would be more tragic than funny, but due to the fact that it would be so darwinically sad, that it might get a chuckle or two.

      You like that word "darwinically"? I just made it up, hehe.
    • Re:Game? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by mrleemrlee ( 192314 ) <mrleemrlee1.comcast@net> on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:40PM (#4421133) Homepage
      I remember pulling all-nighters with Civilization, but usually my eyes stopped working right about noon the next day, and my hands would start rebelling, so I'd stop. I never forgot to eat, though.


      Maybe I was just a wuss.


      I can't imagine a game more addictive than that one was, always asking you to do the NEXT THING, then do this, your city has completed a temple, what would you like to do now? There was never a natural stopping point, so you just kept going, to see what you would build or discover on the next turn, or which nation's ass you would have to kick.


      I had a friend who had no computer that would come over to our dorm room and start playing in the afternoon. We'd pretty much just ignore him or hang out with him, and then I'd have to kick him out when the sun came up the next morning. I was too nice a guy back then.

    • Re:Game? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Docrates ( 148350 ) on Thursday October 10, 2002 @02:04AM (#4422273) Homepage
      I know this is unforgivably offtopic, but when I read this I couldn't help but think of Ender Wiggins, exhausted, after coming from a few days of having colapsed, sitting hopelessly at his terminal and launching a suicide attack on a game simulation of the buggers planet, breaking through their lines of defense and launching the Dr. Device, destroying the planet and his fleet with it...Only to realize it wasn't really a game, but that he was actually controlling earth's armada through the clasified Ansible connection.

      Ok, time for me to go to bed. And remember, their gate is DOWN...
  • Drat... (Score:3, Funny)

    by mrgrey ( 319015 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:13PM (#4420966) Homepage Journal
    A 24-year-old South Korean man died after playing computer games nonstop for 86 hours

    Well, so much for that week long LAN party idea...

  • Boots (Score:5, Funny)

    by Samus ( 1382 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:13PM (#4420967) Journal
    Thats the geek way of dieing with your boots on.
  • Oh no (Score:4, Funny)

    by Medevo ( 526922 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:13PM (#4420970) Homepage
    With the winter coming, and only me and quake 3 at home I might be next.

    Oh well, worse ways to go.

    Medevo
  • by outsider007 ( 115534 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:13PM (#4420971)
    He then went to the toilet where he later was found dead

    why wasn't this story called "Go to the toilet... and die!?"
    • by MisterSquid ( 231834 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:36PM (#4421118)

      It's a hard lesson to learn, but that's what happens when you don't take enough bathroom breaks while gaming.

      I mean, what a way to "go" . . .

      (Was it number 1 or number 2?)

    • by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @11:45PM (#4421772)
      "why wasn't this story called "Go to the toilet... and die!?""

      Because we all should have learned that lesson by now with Elvis.
    • by guttentag ( 313541 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @11:56PM (#4421820) Journal
      why wasn't this story called "Go to the toilet... and die!?"
      PHB: Good point, outsider. If he'd only stayed in his seat he'd still be alive today.

      Dilbert, I'd like you to write a proposal to choose a committee to draft a proposal for a new company policy that forbids programmers from leaving their seats during working hours.

      Asok: Why can't we just implement the new policy?

      PHB: Asok, go back to your seat right now if you want to live.

  • Easy fix (Score:5, Funny)

    by InterruptDescriptorT ( 531083 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:14PM (#4420975) Homepage
    If the guy puts in a quarter quick enough, he may be able to resume where he left Earth...

    ...I mean off. :-)

  • by Tidan ( 541596 ) <tidan_md.yahoo@com> on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:14PM (#4420976)
    Cause if he couldn't stop playing for 86 hours straight, it's probably worth checking out.

    Unless he was playing Super Mario Bros. 1, and got stuck in minus world. (Yea, I bet nobody remembers that)

    • by greenfly ( 40953 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:23PM (#4421048)
      For those of you who *don't* remember that, the negative worlds were an easter egg of sorts in Super Mario 1 that I believe the developers put in there to test the water levels.

      You go to level 1-2, which is underground, and go to the very end of the level, but not through the final pipe, if you stand on top of the pipe and knock out all the blocks to the left of it (but not to the right) and jump backwards a special way, you can walk through the wall and jump in one of the warp zone pipes before they list worlds 3, 4, and 5. If you do that you will warp to a negatively numbered world which is an water level that keeps going.
  • Skip NYTimes reg (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:14PM (#4420977)
    This link [nytimes.com] will go directly to the article in question, no reg required.

    Thank you, Google News!

  • REDRUM!! (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anenga ( 529854 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:14PM (#4420978)
    Initial investigation ruled out the possibility of murder, police said.

    Hmmm... I don't know about that. Suspects include: (but not limited to) Orcs, Night Elfs, Zerglings, Hydras...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:14PM (#4420979)
    He was fine when he was playing games. Obviously it was going to the crapper that killed him!
    • by King_TJ ( 85913 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:18PM (#4421011) Journal
      Hey, if you ate LAN party quality snacks and drinks for 86 hours straight - you'd probably have one heinous session at the toilet too.

      Maybe it was just the smell that overpowered him?
    • Re:I don't get it. (Score:4, Interesting)

      by macrom ( 537566 ) <macrom75@hotmail.com> on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:53PM (#4421191) Homepage
      I knew a guy once that played EQ or some-such online game for 2 weeks without getting up to so much as take a crap. He ate mostly fruits and breads, stuff that backs you up real good. After hearing his story, I think he wished he was dead when the doctor had to manually extract the feces from his colon.

      I love games like every one else, but I definitely place defication above advancement to the next level in a game.

      /me awaits the snide comments about my lack of dedication to gaming...
  • by GoatPigSheep ( 525460 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:14PM (#4420981) Homepage Journal
    It must have been the games that did it!

    Force anyone to sit in one place for 86 hours without sleep, food, or water, and I'm sure at least SOME of them would die.

    But I'm sure it was the GAMES that killed him.
  • by thenovacrisis ( 550112 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:15PM (#4420988) Homepage Journal
    Now they can't blame video games for increasing violent emotions and actions. How are you going to be violent to someone if you can't pull yourself away from the computer long enough to eat.
  • /me . . . (Score:5, Funny)

    by acceleriter ( 231439 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:15PM (#4420990)
    . . . pours a bit of Red Bull on the side walk in memory of his homie. I hope I go down in glory like dat.
  • by Radi-0-head ( 261712 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:16PM (#4421001)
    Was it the first time in 86 hours that he had used the restroom? That would kill anyone.
  • by Xtraneous ( 594376 ) <XtraneousNO@SPAMcomcast.net> on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:17PM (#4421008)
    He played for 86 hours, as in the X-86 architecture. So what's next? The new Apple Ad?

    It went like, beep beep beep, and then I died
  • bs (Score:5, Funny)

    by witort ( 92504 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:18PM (#4421009)
    now he's in heaven shouting "OMFG that was such bullshit!"
  • by blackbeaktux ( 525688 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:19PM (#4421018)
    It'd be such a waste if he didn't. All that effort for nothing...
  • Proof! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by x136 ( 513282 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:20PM (#4421025) Homepage
    That video games are a bad habit and can kill you!

    Wait, no, it's just proof that being a dumbass can kill you. Never mind, carry on.
  • by nzgeek ( 232346 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:20PM (#4421027) Homepage Journal

    IANA Doctor, but although it's primarily an air travel thing, isn't it the case that sitting anywhere for too long can cause blood clots to form in the legs?

    Said clots may detach and make their way to the lungs (causing pulmonary embolus) or brain (causing a stroke).

    Sounds to me that this dude just suffered an extreme attack of stupidity. If you're gonna LAN for a week (or take a long flight) then at least get off your arse and walk around every few hours.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:30PM (#4421091)
      IAA physician. (BTW, do Americans (or is it a New Zealander in this case?) really call all physicians "doctors"? Cute.)

      isn't it the case that sitting anywhere for too long can cause blood clots to form in the legs?

      No. You get a harmless and physiologically normal venous pooling of blood, but if you get clotting from sitting still you suffer from a disease.
  • by SteakandcheeseUm ( 191173 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:20PM (#4421030) Homepage
    This is why they need computers in the Bathrooms! geese!
  • by blackbeaktux ( 525688 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:21PM (#4421039)
    But then, if he was a true gamer, he obviously died from "natural causes"
  • Not a real big deal (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dlur ( 518696 ) <.ten.wi. .ta. .ruld.> on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:29PM (#4421084) Homepage Journal

    I know from my MUDding experiences that it's not uncommon for folks into games to stay up for more than a few days at a time with nothing but caffiene. In college I use to regularly stay awake for 48 hours straight MUDding.

    I also know quite a few people who are heavily into methamphetamines that stay up for over a week at a time. I know quite a few folks who brag about having stayed awak for 9 days straight and lived to tell about it.

    The best part about having been awake for more than 3 days isn't necesarily the game you're playing, it's the delusious and hallucinations you get. >3 days awake is better than most hits of LSD you get these days.

  • Let it be known... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Mashiki ( 184564 ) <mashiki@nosPaM.gmail.com> on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:30PM (#4421086) Homepage
    That many of the internet cafe's there are known for spikeing the water and whatnot. Amphetamine spikeing is common to keep customers in the stores longer and whatnot. There have been several deaths related to this over the last few years.

    Also a goverment crackdown has been done once, as you can see...it hasn't made much of a diffrence.

    • by ender81b ( 520454 ) <wdinger@@@gmail...com> on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:54PM (#4421198) Homepage Journal
      Not that I don't believe you but you should include some links/citations before making a statement like that (I know, crazy talk). I could only find the following:

      Shanghai Cybrcafe Shut Down [bbc.co.uk]
    • by Inthewire ( 521207 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @10:04PM (#4421248)
      Have you *ever* tasted meth? It isn't something you'd overlook in water. Coffee wouldn't mask it. It's not an oderless or tasteless substance.
      • by Mashiki ( 184564 ) <mashiki@nosPaM.gmail.com> on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @10:44PM (#4421453) Homepage
        I suppose I could clairfy. They do put other things in the water to mask it. Koolaid, Tang, ect. I have tasted several diffrent kinds of amphetamine's, and I've also tasted the spiked water they sell. You couldn't taste it but, that was because it was made very sweet and shown as an "energy boosting drink". And unless you actually know what it tastes like, besides a "supposed" energy drink you wouldn't know.

        An example, you have a glass of tea. But the tea kind of stings your tounge, it's listed as an energy boosting tea but; doesn't have any ingrediants. What's in it? Maybe ginger, maybe something else.

        Just let me be clear, I'm not saying that they are all bad guys spikeing the water, but some are. And you have to becareful, especially since they didn't at one time get inspected for selling food or anything else. They may now, but it's been 6mo since I was last in Korea.

  • by coupland ( 160334 ) <dchaseNO@SPAMhotmail.com> on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:30PM (#4421092) Journal
    W00t! Computer games as an instrument of natural selection, you've gotta love it. And you thought we were doomed as a species....
  • Counter-Strike (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SexyKellyOsbourne ( 606860 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:35PM (#4421106) Journal
    Depressed and alone on Christmas break during college, I went on a Counter-Strike spree some day in the age of Beta5 that lasted 97 hours straight, only taking breaks to quit drinking coffee and urinate.

    Tiredness did not matter -- everything was a copy of a copy, and I was some sort of killing machine, though I went from top of the list to somewhere in the middle after the first day. After two days, I was screwed up beyond recognition and was hallucinating, thinking that flowers were growing in de_nuke and that Beavis and Butthead were saying "Go Go Go!."

    After the third day, my head and eyes hurt terribly, I had pissed myself and didn't notice for an hour as my legs were totally numb, and everything was a nightmare. I was so wacked out I couldn't do anything but shoot at things that weren't there...... but my obsession could not end as I sat alone in my dorm room.

    I passed out, collapsed on the floor, and slept for two days (well, about 28 hours) afterwards and was drowsy with a TERRIBLE, GODAWFUL headache for the entire next week, which I pretty much spent in bed.
    • by Phosphor3k ( 542747 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:58PM (#4421218)
      Replace CS with Tribes/Tribes2/Diablo 2.

      Rinse, Repeat. Thats the story of my first and only 3 semesters at college.

      Step 1 Gaming
      Step 2 ...
      Step 3 Degree!
    • by alchemist68 ( 550641 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @11:04PM (#4421561)
      Dude, do you have any idea the brain damage you inflicted on yourself? Sleep deprivation is very bad for you. Go to a Medical College Library and look up a book called "Principles of Sleep Medicine, Vol.1 & Vol.2". What you can read in there will scare the shit out of you so much that you'll go to bed every night for the rest of life consistently on time if you don't want to be either dead at 50 or drooling and smiling at a wall when you're 65. Sleep deprivation is very VERY bad for you.

      Why?

      Sleep not only controls our circadian rhythms, but also apetite control, immune system function, and cognitive performance. I think you can see where this is going.
  • WTF? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SamMichaels ( 213605 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:36PM (#4421115)
    What does this have to do with gaming? If I sat infront of a TV, computer, or alone counting bumps in paint for 86 hours straight, the same thing would happen to me.

    Another lame attempt to take a stab at videogames and how EVIL they are...
  • by flogger ( 524072 ) <non@nonegiven> on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:44PM (#4421157) Journal
    Young Korean needs food...badly.
  • You don't say.... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Crocuta ( 556505 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:45PM (#4421158)
    The capacity for human ignorance never fails to amuse me.

    Kids, this is what happens when you have a society that lets people become so self-centered that the thought of actually being a responsible productive resident is considered a joke. And here I thought only the US was so encumbered. Apparently we're contagious.

    I don't know what the legal system is like in South Korea, but if it's anything like here, the dude's family will probably bring a lawsuit against the gaming room, the game manufacturer, the government, and anyone else they can bilk money out of because they raised a kid with no self control who grew into a man with no self control. After all, it's already happened here.

    This whole thing reminds me of the classic experiment by Olds and Milner in which they wired tiny electrodes into the limbic system of rats. The rats could give themselves a jolt of electricity by pressing a little lever. The stimulation of the limbic system was so pleasurable that some rats would press the bar thousands of times an hour for up to 20 hours at a time until they collapsed from exhaustion. When the rats recovered, they'd go right back to pressing the bar. I have a feeling that if we could do that for people, we'd find that some (like this mental midget in South Korea) would push the bar until their heads exploded.

    Really people, take a break from /., turn off the computer, and get some sun, will ya? ;-) It's just not worth dying on the crapper in some internet cafe.

    Crocuta
  • Good thing (Score:4, Funny)

    by G00F ( 241765 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:48PM (#4421174) Homepage
    Good thing we Americans are made of stronger stuff.
  • Urban legend? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Pseudonymus Bosch ( 3479 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:49PM (#4421177) Homepage
    I think I saw a similar story with a Korean here some months ago. Are you sure this is not an urban legend?
  • by Kalak ( 260968 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @09:54PM (#4421195) Homepage Journal
    He's probably either:
    1.riding on the meat-wagon
    or
    2.has been resurrected by the Necromancer.
  • Nobody noticed? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sssmashy ( 612587 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @10:03PM (#4421247)

    The real story here is not how this man died, but where he died. This man was in an internet cafe, surrounded by other people.

    People die like this more often than we realize. We don't notice because they they die as shut-ins at home. Most of them are obsessive compulsive or mentally ill, and usually takes a while before their bodies are even discovered.

    This man, however, had been playing computer games in a busy public place, nonstop for 86 hours. If any of the staff or fellow users noticed, none of them saw fit to intervene. Since he was paying to use the computer, the staff must have had some idea how long he had been there. Also, I imagine he must have looked quite haggard and ill before he finally died.

    The police have ruled out murder, but I hope that they investigate the staff for negligence. Mr. Kim was ultimately the victim of his own actions. However, the staff had a basic responsibility to ensure his health and safety while he was on using their service on their premises, just as a bartender might be liable if he continue to serve an extremely intoxicated customer who later died of alcohol poisoning.

    The fact that no-one noticed or cared for four straight days is appalling. Such a pathetic and easily preventable death in a public place reflects poorly on South Korean society, both in and anywhere else that it occurs.

  • Urban Myth (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Cirrius ( 304487 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @10:04PM (#4421252)
    You know, I have heard other stories similiar to this recently...sometimes there is a specific name of the game, but they always seem to be "identified only by their first/last name", and its always around the 80 hour mark. Did the Sydney Morning Herald report a growing urban myth, or is there anything to substantiate this?
  • Wow. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by The Innocent Dot ( 214202 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @10:08PM (#4421273)
    Browsing at threshold +3, 37 comments into the discussion so far, and... I can't spot a single sympathetic comment. Most of us are all laughing at this guy's death in some kind of cynical Darwinistic smugness.

    The games probably aren't killing anyone, but they've sure done a good job of de-sensitizing a few people...
  • by cjsnell ( 5825 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @10:11PM (#4421281) Journal
    The jobless man, identified by police only by his last name Kim

    A Korean man named Kim...that certainly narrows it down!
  • Holy 5's Batman (Score:5, Interesting)

    by coene ( 554338 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @10:13PM (#4421289)
    Anyone else notice the over-abundance of 5 Point posts for this article?? I opened this thread looking to burn some moderator points, and after I scrolled down 3/4 of the page I realized there's no room to fit them in!
  • by V50 ( 248015 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @10:16PM (#4421313) Journal
    I don't see why everyone is acting like this is a big joke or something. The guy was unemployed, and likely depressed, and he spent the last 86 hours of his life playing a pointless game, that he coudn't escape from. This isn't funny, it's very sad. That's his 24 year life gone, just like that. You don't know what he did, or who he was. Think about what his friends and family must feel like right now.

    I'll probably be modded down as a troll or something, but I don't think death is a joking matter. If someone you knew died, even in a pathetic manner like that, you would not be joking about it. I think all the jokes here are completly tasteless.

    And I do think the games are _partly_ to blame. (Note that I said partly, not completly.) Some games are very addictive, and can trap people in for hours. I've had my school mark drop because I've wasted my time on pointless games.

    Just my thoughts.
    • by theLOUDroom ( 556455 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @11:16PM (#4421636)
      Death happens. Get over it. No one tied him to the computer.
      Jokes are funny. They lighten our mood and help us deal with the lousier shit in life.
      If everytime something lousy happend I couldn't joke about it, life would be even more lousy.

      I've had my grades affected by lots of things. I accept that and take responsibility for doing those things. If I forgot about all my classes and just played games all day, I would fail out of school. I wouldn't be able to work as an engineer, but then I wouldn't be a resposible enough person to make important decisions anyway.
      I don't really consider the way he died "pathetic". I think it's kinda funny and also kinda cool. It sure would beat dying of hunger or a belly wound.
      Hey, at least he died doing something he loved :)
      Joking about death doesn't mean you don't give a shit whether people live or die. Being unable to handle jokes about death, suggests that they and therefore death itself makes you uncomfortable. Death is coming for you. There's nothing you can do to stop it. If you think that's sad, ok. Just don't try and act like that puts you on some sort of moral highground. People deal with death in different ways.
      I'm not saying that death is great, just that people comfortable/uncomforable enough with the idea to joke about it, aren't necessarily uncaring, and that perhaps every death isn't tragic.
    • by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) on Thursday October 10, 2002 @12:33AM (#4421959)
      "The guy was unemployed, and likely depressed, and he spent the last 86 hours of his life playing a pointless game, that he coudn't escape from."

      That he consciously chose not to escape from. When people don't leave their homes, 99+ times out of 100 the reason is that they didn't feel like leaving, not because they were physically locked in.

      "Think about what his friends and family must feel like right now."

      Obviously not a whole heck of a lot if they allowed this to happen to begin with.

      "I'll probably be modded down as a troll or something, but I don't think death is a joking matter."

      There are schools of thought that suggest that perhaps you don't have a sufficiently developed sense of humor.

      I'm probably shooting myself in the foot for bringing this up but I think Heinlein had a point in Stranger in a Strange Land: All humor revolves around the misfortunes of others. If anything laughing at something can be described as a human coping mechanism. In a world increasingly hostile to those of us who partake in electronic gaming, everybody here now has an example they can point to and say "At least I'm not this guy!"

      "If someone you knew died, even in a pathetic manner like that, you would not be joking about it. "

      If one of my friends died in such a manner I'd be laughing if for no other reason than I know my friend would be laughing at themselves for dying that way.

      "I think all the jokes here are completly tasteless."

      But jokes about hypothetical deaths are alright? [slashdot.org] Or what about jokes about people getting genuinely angry at each other? [slashdot.org] What about a particular person's sexual tastes? [slashdot.org] Or how about the way you mock something hundreds of people have been working on for dozens of years? [slashdot.org] Where do you get the moral high ground to decide for everybody else what is "tasteless" and what isn't?

      "And I do think the games are _partly_ to blame. (Note that I said partly, not completly.)"

      No, not even. Nobody can say that until there is solid scientific proof demonstrating a link. But in several decades of research on the subject, nobody has yet to publish "games=death" without somebody else soundly refuting it. These aren't cigarettes we're talking about here.

      If there's anybody else beside the gamer that bears any of the responsiblity for this, it is the people directly around him and ignored the way he collapsed unconscious several hours before. Especially the owners of the property.

      "Some games are very addictive,"

      Some people are more susceptible to addictions to just about anything than other people. And until someone can solidly publish "games=addicting," I cannot and will not hold the games responsible for flaws in the gamer's personality and psyche.

      "I've had my school mark drop because I've wasted my time on pointless games."

      Thanks for demonstrating my "increasingly hostile" comment above. We're supposed to believe that you'd have done much better if it weren't for the games? Do you know for a fact (or can you at least say with a straight face) that you'd have done better in school if there were no games in your life? Why are we to believe that you wouldn't have found some other external vent? You're one of those people that wants to sue gun companies over murder rates, aren't you?

      I've tried it both ways: School with and without games. Guess what: Without games, I just ended up finding another vent anyway (and they're called "internet chat rooms"). The problem wasn't Nintendo's, it was mine and my inability to cope with the world around me without a crutch.

      And on the other hand games have actually helped me find better ways to cope. I wouldn't have all the friends I have now if it weren't for those C&C Red Alert and StarCraft LAN parties.
  • Finally! (Score:5, Funny)

    by __dtrance ( 450063 ) <dmillen79.comcast@net> on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @10:19PM (#4421328)
    Finally, proof that I'm not as addicted to the computer as my wife claims!

    Thank's Slashdot!
  • record (Score:4, Interesting)

    by bicho ( 144895 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @10:24PM (#4421356)
    Could it be he was trying to impose some Guinnes record?
    Anyone knows if there is such record out there?
  • If he died on the toilet it was probably a heart attack - if you have a weak heart, constapation can kill you; stimulant drugs are also a possibility.

    Sudden death syndrome maybe, [c-r-y.org.uk] although I don't think they ever diagnose that it anyone unhealthy/obese, if he was, though there is a teat for it.

    Until recently (barring drug overdose, genetic or developmental abnormalities) 26 year olds did not have heart attacks. So, looking into my crystal ball, this will be used as ammunition for the argument that videogames reduce your level of physical activity, and are somehow responsible for the recent rise in cardiovascular disease among the very young - I can't find the ref. on google, can anyone else?

    If you want to avoid having heart attacks:
    1) Get exercise. This is NOT the same as don't game, and I myself utterly reject the notion that videogames are somehow responsible for droping levels of physical activity.
    2) Try not to be angry all the time. [hopkinsmedicine.org] I know this can be difficult if you are a member of an oppressed minority group or work in tech support. Depression and overuse of simulants = also bad.
    • by DjMd ( 541962 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @11:11PM (#4421611) Journal
      Until recently (barring drug overdose...) 26 year olds did not have heart attacks

      Two things first, why would you rule out drug overdose? 86 straight gameplaying? Can you say stimulants? I would almost bet on that being positive. And Stimulants can cause strokes, sudden arthymias, and heart attacks...

      And I wouldn't rush to heart attack as cause of death, a Pulmonary embolis can kill suddenly and anyone can get one from sitting/not moving for long times. Rhabodmyolysis can cause kidney failure, and in extreme cases shock I think...
      He could died of lots of things, almost no actually caused by video games...

  • by theLOUDroom ( 556455 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @10:38PM (#4421421)
    Game over man!
  • by Zapdos ( 70654 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @11:24PM (#4421679)
    I wonder how long until the Weekly World News carries this story. "Man catches Computer Virus and Dies"

  • by Zhe Mappel ( 607548 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @11:41PM (#4421757)
    From the Times piece by Howard French:

    Critics say the burgeoning industry is creating millions of zombified addicts who are turning on and tuning into computer games, and dropping out of school and traditional group activities, becoming uncommunicative and even violent because of the electronic games they play.

    Tsk tsk. Unlike TV, of course, which promotes intimacy, critical thinking, and feelings of peace and contentedness.

    It's not hard to see what has the cultural police so alarmed: at last, a form of electronic engagement even more powerful in its spell than TV has arrived to offer young people a reality of their own shaping. And while it's hardly arguable that playing Counterstrike all day is better for you than sitting in front of a TV, there is a key difference.

    Counterstrike -- or almost any online game -- can't really be used to indoctrinate. Not yet, anyway (although you might argue that running around with guns killing others for round after round is a type of indoctrination, the fact is that it's largely devoid of political context, and experientially it's all for self-aggrandizement, anyway; however, cf. the US Army's recent slippery entry into this market as the progenitor of the politicization of the FPS game).

    The main problem is that you can't use Dan Blather or Brit Spume to convey the wishes of the oligarchy just when the kids have been left perfectly mollified by hours of braindead sitcoms. Cocooned digitally with only pixels and urges to guide them, they're neither being told how to think or what to buy. Online gaming is too much beyond the control of our masters.

    That's intolerable to a nation that regards workaholism as the ideal state of being. It also offends our puritan traditions; next to serving your boss, only God is supposed to suck up so much of your devotion. Watch for more efforts at social control coming from such kissing cousins as Joe Lieberman and Jerry Falwell in the near future. The first step will be to apply the social definitions of addiction, whereafter, as long as the present administration is in office, you may see a faith-based solution offered for your Quake jones...

  • by g4dget ( 579145 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @11:48PM (#4421790)
    If you wait long enough, almost any event "B" will follow almost any event "A" in close succession. That doesn't mean that "A" caused "B".
  • by MoriarGryphon ( 599643 ) on Thursday October 10, 2002 @01:07AM (#4422079)
    Police later searched for the closest respawn point in hopes of getting more answers to no avail.
  • I call bullshit (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Dynedain ( 141758 ) <slashdot2 AT anthonymclin DOT com> on Thursday October 10, 2002 @02:45AM (#4422365) Homepage
    While in architecture school I did 70 hours nonstop working in studio on my project, and I haven't suffered any nahhh naaaaahhhh nhaahaha any side effects. I would have done longer if I hadn't finished my project. I know other people who did longer.

    I don't doubt that he died after a long bout of not sleeping, but I don't believe that the lack of sleep is what killed him. I'm more inclined to think a heart attack from all the caffine is what did him in.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10, 2002 @03:44AM (#4422482)
    It's about time the gov't gets hip to the perfect army it has in its own borders. In the USA, millions train everyday on various systems in the electronic art of FPS. It IS an art, it IS a skill and most importantly it IS addictive. Today's youth drafted would fair poorly on an actuall battleground, but controlling robots through various familiar and popular games as their GUI and they would be unstoppable. Imagine the teamwork of CTF Quake or Counterstike fully realized on a battlefield while the controllers sit back comfortably smoking bongs, drinking soda and ordering pizza.
  • by chegosaurus ( 98703 ) on Thursday October 10, 2002 @04:15AM (#4422526) Homepage
    He needs to get a life. Oh, err... sorry...

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