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The Political Games Surrounding Video Games 95

Rayonic writes "We all know the issue surrounding those who want to ban violent games, but a TechCentralStation editorial asks - can playing war games influence your political sensibilities? The media, for instance, are usually very ignorant of what goes on during military maneuvers. But a few days of playing Ghost Recon or America's Army might make you more knowledgeable than the average reporter (or even lawmaker), as the writer argues that 'the spread of military knowledge via wargaming might lead to political changes in the way war is perceived by Americans'."
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The Political Games Surrounding Video Games

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  • by LordPixie ( 780943 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @12:20PM (#9632905) Journal
    I remember back when that whole Elian Gonzalez debacle was busy...well, debacling. When the Feds finally came took him away at gunpoint, I recall looking at the infamous picture [sillygirl.com] and saying "Hey, I recognize that gun from CounterStrike. That's an MP5 ! Quick, flashbang that sucker and cap him with your Desert Eagle !!!"

    Joking aside, games can be a source of factual information. Just like any other form of media. And any new information is going to influence your outlook on everything. Assuming you're actually capable of seperating the fact from the fiction, this is a good thing.


    --LordPixie
  • by LordPixie ( 780943 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @01:10PM (#9633405) Journal
    A Cobra maneuver is only impressive in an airshow. In a true combat situation it's beyond useless. While it looks extremely cool, it basically leaves you all but stationary. This is an rediculously vulnerable position to be in for a dogfight.

    As my USAF father kept telling me, "Airspeed is life".


    --LordPixie
  • by meta-monkey ( 321000 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @01:31PM (#9633613) Journal
    Have you played Full Spectrum Warrior for the XBox? I think it's probably the best war game I've ever played. Essentially, it's urban combat in a fictional middle eastern country. The game was originally developed as a training simulator for the U.S. Army, and then adapted for the general public. You control two four-man fireteams and move from cover to cover to eliminate threats. If you lose a soldier, you lose the game. If you kill a civilian, you lose the game. No, you don't see the "nation building" aspects quite so much, although there are instances where you, say, clear the way for a medical convoy trying to provide aid to civilians.

    I'm not sure if I could say it changed any of my political beliefs, though. I'm a Libertarian, I support the war in Iraq, and my wife just got out of the Army after nine years. I can say, though, that this game does not glamorize warfare. It's dirty, gritty, ugly, confusing, and unfair. If anything, it gives you a better idea of what soldiers really have to face out there. Of course, nothing can ever truly convey that except for being there, but I short of a holodeck I can't imagine a game doing a better job of it than this.

    Still, if you're at all interested in military video games, you absolutely must try Full Spectrum Warrior. If you don't have an XBox, it's supposed to be coming out for the PC soon.
  • by AuMatar ( 183847 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @02:04PM (#9633926)
    No, the problem is the republican party is really a coalition of 4 different political groups.

    1)The religious right, aka the holly rollers. They want to tell everyone how to live their lives and believe they have the direct line to god. They're a minority, but they're loud and the party panders to them, since they'd go dem in a second if the democrats would further their religion. Ashcroft is a member of this group.

    2)The rich, aka the selfish pricks. These are people with large amounts of money/power who care only about amassing more money/power. This is the smallest group in real numbers, but they run the party. This is a bad thing, since what thye want doesn't really mesh with what 90% of republicans want. Bush is a member of this group

    3)Libertarians. Probably about the same size as #1, but not pandered to because theres no way they'd go to the left. Pretty much non-factors due to the 2 party system.

    4)The status quoers. They think America is a pretty good place, and don't want major change, either from fear it would fuck things up, from lack of vision, or due to just not caring about politics. This is the largest group, but has 0 political power since they don't want anything. Elections for republicans basicly require them to ocnvince these people to go to the polls.

    Most republicans want someone from group 4- someone who just stays the course and does pretty much nothing for 4 years. And admittedly, there's worse ways to spend a presidency. Unfortunately, group 2 firmly controls the republican party, because 4 is too non-political. And since 2 has the money, it'll remain in control unless the party breaks up. Which can't happen in America due to the 2 party system. Welcome to America, get used to the assholes the republicans put out as candidates, it isn't going to change.
  • by *weasel ( 174362 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @02:51PM (#9634359)
    You don't think exposure to material invokes a mental adjustment? Do we learn nothing from communication then? Novels, texts, plays, film, music, poetry -- these don't invoke mental adjustment?

    I'd agree that exposure to material doesn't invoke a subconscious adjustment (short of brainwashing, subliminal messaging, etc) - but that isn't quite what you said.

    The violence argument has always set out to suggest that the behavioral adjustment is subconscious and automatic. The political leaning argument (presented here for the first time that I've read) specifically denotes the necessary step of consciously applying knowledge gained from exposure to material to adjust views and behavior.

    The passive/active divide makes them quite distinct imo.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @02:59PM (#9634419)
    Ok.. Maybe I'm crazy here, but that last sentance of the article:

    ""Were we right? You can judge for yourself. But I note that all the anti-videogame legislators mentioned in the Wired News story are Democrats. . . ""

    seems to be implying that the anti-videogame democrats dislike them, not from some misguided belief that if I play combat sims I'll decide to gather a huge stack of weapons and go on a rampage, but because if I play wargames, I might be able to see through the Great Liberal Media Conspiracy to Turn People Against War.

    That seems to be the dumbest idea I've ever heard. It's contributing to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. These guys don't like video games because they think they have to Protect the Children! And they're backed by people who think they know better how to raise other people kids than their parents.

    Likewise, I don't need some great liberal conspiracy to tell me war sucks and that innocent people die due to mistakes. Nor do I need some video game to teach me that under fire, a soldier is not guaranteed to make the best decision, or that winning or losing one battle doesn't determine a war (usually).

    As for his suggestion that combat sims make us better informed, politically. ::shrug:: maybe they do, maybe they don't. He'd've had a bit more credibility with me if he'd just left out that last sentance. But I note that if I wanted an opinion leader, he would have to give a better pedigree than "This one time, when i was playing (Insert Combat Sim Here)..." /Laura
  • by Zeriel ( 670422 ) <<gro.ainotrehta> <ta> <selohs>> on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @03:30PM (#9634749) Homepage Journal
    I think YOU'RE missing the point, really. We're not discussing the idea that military games INDOCTRINATE (i.e., we're not on the same slope that says violent games lead to violence), we're saying that wargames EDUCATE on how battles are. No change in values is implied, just a change in how much you know.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @04:48PM (#9635598)
    You kind of missed the whole point of number two. MOST of these people also sat on their asses for the first 30 years of their lives, dropped out of school and smoked pot (sound like any president that you know?). The difference is that they come from "old money" and they hold all the power, lots of the money, and like exclusivity. Ever wonder why Bill Gates isn't a bigger player on the political scene? His money is too new. He hasn't had the time to come up with expansive family ties (think Bush, and all of his jobs being given to him by "friends" of the family). If you are sitting there making 250,000 a year, you are NOT in #2. If you are making 250,000 a day, you might be, but only if your grandfather, and preferably your great-great grandfather did too.

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