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from the more-for-the-same dept.
Starting at the end of this month, you'll be able to get a little more for your dollar when buying a new Xbox 360. Gamasutra is reporting that Micrsoft has unveiled bundle pack versions of the Elite and standard consoles. The $449.99 Xbox 360 Elite and the standard $349.99 Xbox will now both come with packed-in game titles: Forza Motorsport 2 and Marvel Ultimate Alliance. "Microsoft says both bundles will be available by the end of October and throughout the holidays. The retail packaging bears the company's new model-specific slogans, with the Elite tagged 'Go Big', and the standard 'Go Pro'. On October 3rd, various now-deleted online retail listings showed the existence of a third pack, the $279.99 'Arcade' bundle, which bore all similar markings as the new models, and was tagged 'Go Play' ... As yet, Microsoft has not officially announced the bundle, but all signs point to its imminent arrival."
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  • by KGIII (973947)
    I bet if they packed Halo 3 in with it (and of course charged a slightly higher price) they'd unload a pile of systems at a decent enough profit. I realize that the game is still selling just fine all on its own but it would convince me to pick up an extra XBox to have when my hardware fails and the added benefit of a low-cost Halo 3 would be what made me pick it up instead of the rather lame games they have listed.
      • by jtroutman (121577)
        You should go back and read the items included in the package you linked to; Halo 3 isn't included with it.
      • by KGIII (973947)
        According to that link Halo 3 is not included. "Halo 3 game not included--sold separately" Nice idea though and thanks for the link.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by EasyT (749945)
      I bet if they packed Halo 3 in with it (and of course charged a slightly higher price) they'd unload a pile of systems at a decent enough profit.

      While I share your opinion that their currently bundled games themselves aren't very compelling, but I doubt we'll see a Halo 3 pack-in because I suspect Microsoft isn't terribly worried about moving systems this Christmas season. Wii's are still seeing supply fall short of demand and PS3 systems have fewer games at a higher price. And Halo 3 (and Mass Effect and

      • by KGIII (973947)
        It is an interesting way to look at it. Unfortunately I don't have any mod points or anything but thanks.
      • by ookaze (227977)

        While I share your opinion that their currently bundled games themselves aren't very compelling, but I doubt we'll see a Halo 3 pack-in because I suspect Microsoft isn't terribly worried about moving systems this Christmas season.

        In the USA, their biggest and only relevant market, perhaps that's true. But they must be really desperate in Europe, as some of the FIGS (France, Italy, Germany, Spain, aka 4 of the big 5) countries have an official Halo 3 bundle already. And yes, it retails for less than the console + Halo 3 bought separately.
        I don't know about UK, which doesn't seem to need it as their behaviour mimics the USA.

        And Halo 3 (and Mass Effect and other soon-to-be-released titles) will move plenty of systems even being sold separately. The system is starting to move under its own momentum.

        We'll see, but I doubt that. Already, in UK, it seems like what I believe was true : most people wanting Halo

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          I don't know where you're getting your figures but I haven't seen any stats regarding console sales sales figures post Halo 3 with the exception of Australia... which saw a 55% increase in hardware sales for the week it went on sale and September saw a 158% increase in sales over august in the same region http://www.itwire.com/content/view/14759/532/ [itwire.com]

          So I'd say that both the price drop AND Halo 3 are quite a substantial catalyst for the 360. taking it a step further and bundling two games with the already
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      Why would you want a backup 360 in case yours fails? RROD problems are covered for 3 years now. Even if you bought a launch console in 2005 you would still be protected for another year at least.
      • by EvilIdler (21087)
        Getting the replacement can take up to two months.
        What will you do while it's off to be "repaired"?
        The safest is to live in a cave, like I do. No overheating yet :)
    • Their gaming division needs every cent to get out of the red.
      If you bundle it with Halo 3 those who purchase such packs won't buy a copy of Halo 3. A simple math. What they want people buy is this overpriced pack with bargain-bin games + Halo 3.
    • There is a Xbox 360 with Halo 3 currently on sale in Mexico (http://www.gameplanet.com/gdetalles.php?pd=882224509350 [gameplanet.com]) it costs 6190 MXP (about 570 USD).
    • by Vanye1 (448817)
      I would definitely be picking it up. I enjoyed the first two games, and my stepson is enjoying the heck out of it at a friends house. I think that this would be worth my money.
  • Baffled (Score:5, Interesting)

    by wizzard2k (979669) on Monday October 08, 2007 @06:15PM (#20904501)
    I'm still baffled why the 360 Halo Edition does not come bundled with the game.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by LordNimon (85072)
      It's because there are three different versions of Halo 3, and so by not bundling the game, the customer can choose which version of Halo 3 he wants.
      • Yeah, that's a great reason not to include Halo in the package. No offense, but do you realize how silly that sounds?

        The real reason is obvious: You can't charge $60 for the game if you bundle it with the system, can you?
        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by LordNimon (85072)
          I don't think it sounds silly at all. Stores that sell the Xbox 360 also sell Halo 3. There's no reason why a person can't pick up both at the same time, and at that time you can choose which version of Halo 3 you want.
  • Seriously, it has a known, fatal design flaw. Why doesn't anybody but me see how awful this is? You fix that, and give me some way to guarantee that I will receive a fixed version of the console, and maybe I'll consider buying. Until then, it'd be pretty fucking stupid to spend hundreds of dollars on something that might become a paperweight after a month. I just don't get why MS didn't jump all over this and fix it immediately and issue a big press release about how awesome they were and so on.
    • Supposedly the most recent systems have the hardware fix in place that should prevent the kinds of problems older 360 units were having.
      • Buddy of mine got the black 360 (what was it again, extreme or extra or just X or something), supposedly one with the "board bending due to heat" problem addressed with some hot glue or something.

        Lasted him all of a week before going 3 quadrants red. Not such a proper preventive fix after all, is it.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by jtroutman (121577)
      Seriously, it has a known, fatal design flaw.

      Well, there are two things here. First, "fatal design flaws" rarely seem to stop people from purchasing electronics. As an example, see the iPhone. Secondly, what is the known, fatal design flaw anyway? I know my brother's 360 locked up a couple of days after he bought it, but he got it the first day they came out and they shipped him a replacement immediately. Mine has never so much as hiccuped, maybe I'm just lucky.
      • by Damvan (824570)
        Off topic and all that, but I am curious what the "fatal design flaw" is on the iPhone?
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by jtroutman (121577)
          Just my opinion, but I'd say code that's executable from the stack and internal code addresses that aren't randomized at boot time qualify, especially since those can't be fixed through patches. That's what lead to the first hack [itbusinessedge.com] and could spell more problems.
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Osty (16825)

        Secondly, what is the known, fatal design flaw anyway? I know my brother's 360 locked up a couple of days after he bought it, but he got it the first day they came out and they shipped him a replacement immediately. Mine has never so much as hiccuped, maybe I'm just lucky.

        It depends on when you bought your console, and when it failed.

        • There was a bad batch of power supplies with the launch consoles, which is most likely what caused your brother's to fail. In those cases they should've just sent along a n
        • by tomhudson (43916)

          "That was just a fluke, and truly falls into the standard ~1-3% acceptable failure rate for consumer electronics."

          WFT - 1 in every 34 consumer electronics devices failing is acceptable???

          Imagine if the whole world worked that way. 1 in every 34 elevators failing, 1 in every 34 food items sold at stores being rotten, 1 in every 34 newspapers or books you buy filled with blank pages instead of news, 1 in every 34 flushes not "doing the job" ...

          A 1% failure rate indicates a very poorly designed product,

          • 1 in every 34 elevators failing, 1 in every 34 food items sold at stores being rotten, 1 in every 34 newspapers or books you buy filled with blank pages instead of news, 1 in every 34 flushes not "doing the job" ...

            If elevators were $300 then yeah 1/34 might be about right. Newpapers do indeed have a high rate of misprints, smeared ink and blank pages. 1/34 is not unlikely. Books too have smeared ink and blank pages and offset print. 1/34 books at elast. Depending on what you make 1% may be very good, terri
            • by tomhudson (43916)

              Newspapers USED to have a high rate of smeared ink, misprints, etc. Its a lot rarer nowadays, at least for big-city presses.

              I haven't bought a book in years that has unslit pages (something that I used to see once in a while). Quality control has gone way up in most areas over the last decade.

              Specifically, a 1 in 34 fail rate for consumer electronics, given the cost of handling returns, etc., IS a fiasco, unless its some cheapie $10 item that people are going to just throw away if it doesn't work.

              • Consumer electronics generally have gotten cheaper over time though. A basic B&W TV used to cost about as much as a car did. I remember predictions when computers would cost less than $1000 new, and I laughed at that.

                XBox360 is actually quite a high performance machine, I think to get the similar performance in a PC, you would be out several times the price.
                • XBox360 is actually quite a high performance machine, I think to get the similar performance in a PC, you would be out several times the price.

                  Not really. The 3 core PPC is a dumbed down version with a lot of the branch prediction hardware missing from the CPU. The memory bandwidth of all 3 machines are far greater then a normal PC with lower latency etc but it's not meant to be general purpose machine. and it has a lot less overhead from the OS. Your getting essentially a lower-mid range GPU with a highly
                  • by Raenex (947668)
                    You have to remember that you're squeezing all that into a tiny box and you need to keep it cool and quiet, on a limited budget. Microsoft failed, no doubt, but certainly the task wasn't easy. In comparison, the PS3 is beautifully designed -- cool, quiet, and reliable. But way too expensive. I wonder if they could have sold it for a decent price without the Blu-ray.
              • Specifically, a 1 in 34 fail rate for consumer electronics, given the cost of handling returns, etc., IS a fiasco, unless its some cheapie $10 item that people are going to just throw away if it doesn't work.

                There is no arguing that the 360'd 1 in 3 fail rate is horrible but 1% doesn't make the news as warranty replacements and exchanges capacity within the retail system can work with 1%. At 30% it gets silly and another system has to be worked out but if 1% of your goods fails within 1 year it's not too ba
          • by pokerdad (1124121)

            A 1% failure rate indicates a very poorly designed product, poorly executed, and with awful quality control processes

            On the one hand, you are absolutely correct, but on the other hand, you clearly have no knowledge of the consumer electronic industry. It is pretty much standard pratice industry wide to give little or no QA on most electronics (it turns on? ship it). Basically companies have discovered that it is cheaper to let customers be their QA (I guess paying shipping is cheaper than hiring people; plus the added benefit that some customers will just give up and accept whatever the flaw is).

            I think it goes withou

            • by tomhudson (43916)

              It would seem to me that it should be easy to build proper QA testing into every device. For example, the 4 brand new Seagate hard drives I've got sitting on my desk, all bad. There's no reason they couldn't have been automatically spun up for a minute before being shipped, and their smart status queried - they would have been found to be defective before being shipped, and they could have fixed the problem on the production floor, instead of continuing to produce junk that is going to end up costing money

              • How do you know that those drives weren't tested like that, and somehow got excessive shock while in transit?
                • by tomhudson (43916)

                  "How do you know that those drives weren't tested like that, and somehow got excessive shock while in transit?"

                  I don't, but it doesn't seem likely. After all, when modern drives are powered down, the heads are parked automatically. Even 15 years ago, you could drop a hard drive from a desk and no harm would come of it (I know because a friend of mine did that to his brand new $500 80 meg WD drive, and I told him not to worry, it wasn't like those "old 5-1/4 20 meg" drives).

                  The heads can't "crash" durin

          • ...1 in every 34 elevators failing ...

            The difference being, if an elevator fails, people can die. If your X-box 360 fails, Microsoft sends you a new one in the mail.
        • I really don't understand why anyone would tilt the console while in operation. I'm not even convinced that it's the primary cause of disk damage. If it's causing a lot of problems, then why aren't there a lot of Wii and PS3 owners complaining about the same thing? Those systems have a horizontal and vertical position too. When that explanation was given, I assumed it was the maker trying to blame the user.
          • by Grave (8234)
            * Wii's are much shorter and more stable in a vertical position, and come bundled with a stand for extra stability, not to mention have a safer disc retention system (slot vs. tray).
            * The PS3 also uses a slot instead of a disc tray, but given the weight and style of the system, I suspect most owners lay the system flat.
            * The disc tray in the slim PS2 has a clip for the disc, allowing it to stand up safely.

            The 360 was designed to look nice (and is marketed as) standing up, but it is not very stable, and has
            • by Osty (16825)

              The disc tray in the slim PS2 has a clip for the disc, allowing it to stand up safely

              The slim PS2 uses a top-loading design, and as such clips the disk onto the hub (similar to the old PS1, Dreamcast, and Gamecube, though those couldn't be placed vertically). The old fat PS2 had a sliding tray like the Xbox 360, but also had a more substantial lip to keep the disk in place while vertical. Both PS2 designs are most stable with a stand (sold separately), though the fat PS2 is more stable than the slim with

          • I really don't understand why anyone would tilt the console while in operation. I'm not even convinced that it's the primary cause of disk damage. If it's causing a lot of problems, then why aren't there a lot of Wii and PS3 owners complaining about the same thing? Those systems have a horizontal and vertical position too. When that explanation was given, I assumed it was the maker trying to blame the user.

            it's because of the DVD drive design... most drives have little rubber pads in place to keep the disc

        • by NotZed (19455)
          Is this microsoft-funded PR?
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by AbRASiON (589899) *
          The overheating issues are occuring on far far far more than 3% of units, I've seen results from several sources at least 5 forum polls at different sites, EB store employees tallying up a sold / return ratio, journolists (sp?) reporting how many have failed at their offices etc.

          The chaps at UPS actually know what the Xbox is when returning it bwefore you return it, based on the box you bring it in with..... the failure rate is rumoured to be as high as 30% - I'd be very comfortable believing 15% for sure.

          T
          • by Osty (16825)

            The overheating issues are occuring on far far far more than 3% of units, I've seen results from several sources at least 5 forum polls at different sites, EB store employees tallying up a sold / return ratio, journolists (sp?) reporting how many have failed at their offices etc.

            Yay reading comprehension! I said my DVD-ROM failure fit into the standard 1-3% category. I said nothing about the percentage of overheating, only that measures have been taken to prevent it in the future.

            I don't want to be with

      • . Secondly, what is the known, fatal design flaw anyway?/i>

        A number of things
        1- cheap solder on the motherboard which is prone to crack and break
        2- screw placements that cause damage if the board moves
        3- A motherboard that warps when heated just right and if the solder softens
        4- insufficient cooling
        5- too much heat generation from CPU/GPU

        Added together it makes it likely that the motherboard will warp and break the board. Thats what the red ring of death is.

        The extended 3 warranty is only this problem. S
    • by NumbDr9 (601117)
      Let me answer your question with another question. After Microsoft announces a "fixed" version and puts the official seal of non-brickedness on their consoles, what happens to all the "pre-fixed" consoles that are still sitting on the shelves or in warehouses?
    • I'm still amazed that so many people have had problems. We have 2 systems in our home, 1 from release day and the other from the Christmas right after release. Both run quite a bit and neither has had any overheating issues. Of course, we placed the brick away from the console itself and have plenty of space around the unit itself. We let them have air and they keep breathing.
    • by arsheive (609065)
      Ostensibly (and I don't have anything to back this up like a statement from MS) these new releases contain the awaited "Falcon Board" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360#Xbox_360_Falcon [wikipedia.org]) that will fix the "fatal design flaw" with a new processor, heat sink, etc.

      That flaw being some combination of the "red ring of death" and the fact that the board eventually warps due to the unit overheating so often.
    • by Blakey Rat (99501)
      1) Most Xboxes run just fine. People don't go online and post "my Xbox 360 is still working today!"
      2) It's been fixed for months, in any case.
      • Hey everybody. Just wanted to let you all know that my Xbox 360 is still working today!

        Of course, I had to exchange my copy of Halo 3 due to the dreaded disc read error [google.com]... But now even that is still working today. Just an FYI.
      • 1) Most Xboxes run just fine. People don't go online and post "my Xbox 360 is still working today!"
        2) It's been fixed for months, in any case.


        There is hard data that 360's fail at a much greater rate then any other console or even any other non economy home electronic device. So no it's not just a few people. If you look for some data some distributors noted a ~30% exchange rate.
        • by Blakey Rat (99501)
          Maybe you can use the power of the interwebs and link me to some of this "hard data." I've never seen any, and I know for a fact that Microsoft hasn't released any.
          • 360 [gizmodo.com]
            fail [gwn.com]
            rate [ripten.com]
            and [smarthouse.com.au]
            here [bbc.co.uk]
            and [kotaku.com]
            here. [1up.com]

            This anecdote [kotaku.com]
            An Over view. [wikipedia.org]
            another article [dailytech.com]

            As well Microsoft has announced about 100$ for each xbox 360 sold thus far($1 billion dollars). Which would be warranty repair costs and replacements costs for 1/3 of it's units if each replacement costs the same price as a new one in product costs and handling costs. Some say they may just be overly cautious but no manufacturer would announce such a huge warranty budget and risk extremely bad PR if there wasn't a problem. Given the next rev
    • There's not actually 'one' design flaw in the 360, as Microsoft states on their warranty faq [xbox.com] page (towards the bottom), but one indicator for a multitude of possible problems. - Not sure if that should make you feel better.

      I'm personally waiting for my 4th 360 from Microsoft, my first one was purchased on launch day. As of today, I have not paid one cent for the repairs or shipping, the only cost to me has been time without a 360, which you can also experience in larger measure by not buying one until

      • by geeknado (1117395)
        Yeah, I'm on my third, but I know many people who play more regularly who're still on their first. My first was a launch console(not bought then, but apparently it'd been in a CostCo warehouse) and broke within 7 days-- ouch-- so it was taken back to the store, but my second made it most of a year. The replacement time was only about 2 weeks, and they sent me one of the new 'fixed' boxes rather than a refurb, so...Not that terrible an experience, presumably this latest one will last longer.

        Hopefully, you'll

      • My experience (3 broken consoles) isn't typical of people I know who have one, but I don't regret getting one. Plus I figure I get to play games for several uninterrupted months at a time while I wait for them to "fix it", and, eventually, I'll have one of the "fixed" ones.
        If ANYTHING in my house broke that often, to hell with the warranty, I'd buy a different brand. You seem to be taking the whole "glass is half full" thing a bit too far.
        • by Raenex (947668)

          If ANYTHING in my house broke that often, to hell with the warranty, I'd buy a different brand.

          The problem is game consoles aren't interchangable once you've invested in games. Plus your basic alternatives are a Wii or a PS3. Wii has a different focus, and the PS3 costs a lot more, and again the game lineups are different. It's not like buying a toaster.

          Microsoft for once did the right thing by extending the warranty. I can see how people would be willing to stick with them. That said, I own a launch version of the 360 and it's too damn noisy, the games demand you have a high-def TV, and I real

    • by Gaerek (1088311)
      Fatal design flaw? I've had my system since launch (read, almost 2 years now) and the only problem I had was when I first brought it home, it gave me a red ring error when I first started it up. Of course, it been in my car for a couple of hours in 20 degree weather. Once I gave it 30 minutes to warm up, it never gave me an issue. My brother also has a launch console, and lo and behold, no issues there either. As a matter of fact, of the half dozen or so people I personally know who own launch consoles, no
      • by grumbel (592662)
        Your questions completly miss the point. The real question is: Why did Microsoft design the console that can't reliably work in the same environment as every other console in the last 20 years? The fault is at Microsoft for designing a piece of junk that just fails far to often, even when handled with care.

        I am just sick and tiered of people blaming the users for faulty hardware, which at this point in time there really has been proven more then once.

    • by insanius (1058584)
      i got my console day 1 and while it's loud, runs hot and occasionally freezes, it is hands down the best game system i have ever owned....and i've owned them all since the NES excluding the neogeo.
    • Seriously, it has a known, fatal design flaw. Why doesn't anybody but me see how awful this is? You fix that, and give me some way to guarantee that I will receive a fixed version of the console, and maybe I'll consider buying. Until then, it'd be pretty fucking stupid to spend hundreds of dollars on something that might become a paperweight after a month. I just don't get why MS didn't jump all over this and fix it immediately and issue a big press release about how awesome they were and so on.

      The ones manufactured after August are supposed to be perfectly fixed. I broke down and bought one last week, sheer curiosity. But alas! It looks like one of the games I bought to go with it is now bundled. At least I only paid $30 for it.

      Of more importance, Microsoft has seriously got to take a look at increasing the size of the default hard drive. With all the video they want us to download from the Xbox Live media servers, there's no frickin' way 20gb is going to cut it, especially since they don't prov

    • by tabby (592506)
      I'm sure people have had problems... but I pre-ordered my 360 & have been playing it pretty intensely every since with no issues. Maybe I'm just lucky or maybe its just a matter of time. Personally I think the scope of the problem is overblown as a result of the number of units that have been sold.
    • The hardware fix is actually a new heat pipe and heat sink for the retrofitted in the older 90nm systems(yes even some Elite's fall into that category) newer machines however are shipping with a smaller (65nm) cooler chipset. So most likely all the newer bundle ones have the newer chipset. So those are the fixes.
    • by Applekid (993327)

      Seriously, it has a known, fatal design flaw.

      Which is fixed. Manufacture date after September 15th or so of this year and you get the Falcon (65nm) chipset which runs cooler. Plus the bigger heatsink assembly has been going out since late July. You're almost a month late or over two months late with your objection depending on which option you feel fixes the issue.

      I just don't get why MS didn't jump all over this and fix it immediately and issue a big press release about how awesome they were and so on.

      Maybe because it wasn't as prevalent a problem as the rabid gamer blog networks made it out to be?

    • That is all that is holding me back anymore. These new prices sound enticing, and as much as that Marvel game sounds like ass to me, I'd actually like to have Forza 2. I was holding out for Sony to get their shit together, but Force Unleashed and the new GTA are right around the corner and I need a new system to play with when I put down the Wiimote for a little while every now and then. Really wanted to stay away from Microsoft this time as the PS2 just blew the doors off my XBox with a truly superior game
  • since i'm not interested in either of those games i can turn around drop them off for $5 each at FunCoGameStopLand. wake me when the system comes with something fun like bioshock, or halo 3, or gears of war, or mass effect, or...
  • by Seumas (6865) on Monday October 08, 2007 @06:29PM (#20904653)
    Go buy one or two spare 360s today, so you'll have a system around when the other one bricks! Remember, they're disposable!
  • The "Go Screw Yourself" pack comes with no controller and a Pokemon game for the N-Cube.

  • ...shopto.net is selling the XBox 360 PREMIUM for £194.99, to get rid of pre-bundle stock ;)

    I was going to say that's quite a hefty price drop and nice to see the premium finally reach the sub-£200 mark, makes the 360 damn attractive. Their prices have always been good and they did the same with the PS3 but I almost thought it was a typo when I saw it!
  • you'll be able to get a little more for your dollar when buying a new Xbox 360.


    Wow, they bundled games to their system. This wasn't even written by a contributer. Seems like Zonk is in Microsoft's back pocket.
  • After all, most people play EA games like sports and Sims than they do the "bundle pack" games aforementioned.

    Even more interesting would have been a Japan-centric game release of formerly Japan-only xBox360 games (there are some super sweet ones) for the US market, pre-installed and with super cool package add-ons.
  • the $279.99 'Arcade' bundle, which bore all similar markings as the new models, and was tagged 'Go Play' ... As yet, Microsoft has not officially announced the bundle, but all signs point to its imminent arrival.
    I work in retail, and our internal electronics related messaging system had an announcement that the xbox arcade was slated for release like 0ct 23rd or something, stores would be receiving them shortly.
  • If I can pick up a 360 with HDMI out and HD-DVD AND Blu-ray support for less than the cost of a stand-alone hybrid player (which is about A$1,300 last time I checked, but should be cheaper now given that the Australian dollar has almost reached parity with the US$) then I'll get one. Then I'll also invest in an HD TV and a 5/6.1 surround system.
    • Microsoft and Sony sell their consoles at a loss, hoping you purchase 3-4 games to recover. For every person that buys a Sony just as a Blu-Ray player, you are royally screwing Sony.

      Microsoft doesn't want to suffer this also.
      • by toolie (22684)

        Microsoft and Sony sell their consoles at a loss, hoping you purchase 3-4 games to recover. For every person that buys a Sony just as a Blu-Ray player, you are royally screwing Sony.
        So somehow giving them money is royally screwing them over, rather than just letting the box sit on the shelf where they see no money for it? Can somebody explain this logic to me?
      • by Kris_J (10111) *
        I'm sure some significant proportion of people who buy a console just to play movies ends up buying a few games titles. I recently bought a PSP (secondhand) to play some UMD titles I was adding to a collection and I also bought Wipeout Pure when I spotted it at an EB's. I mainly bought a PS2 to play DVDs, even bought Datel's DVD Region X for region bypass at the same time. I must have bought about a dozen PS2 titles in the end.

        But mainly, MS has an opportunity to capture a market that's not interested i
  • Is one that bundles a fire extinguisher with the darned thing (labeled "Go to blazes").

    I hope the new process chips work out for them, or it's going to be a much rougher ride than a simple $1 bn one-time expense and PR damage control. This one was not ready for prime time. It's a defective product, and if MS doesn't make good, there's going to be class actions.

    --
    Toro
  • Does one of these bundles come with two 360s? For, you know, the time when the first one will turn into 3/4 of a red circle.
  • I want to get the 360 just for Halo 3, for $279 I'd buy one in a heart beat. Sorry fan boys, not everything MS does is evil, the Xbox is one thing they got right.

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