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PS3 Owner Refunded For Missing "Other OS" 353

Posted by kdawson
from the making-good dept.
Toxicgonzo writes "Amazon has given a European PS3 owner a 20% refund for removal of the PS3's OtherOS feature. (We recently discussed hacker Geohot's efforts to restore this feature.) The owner cited European law Directive 1999/44/EC — which states that goods must (1) comply with the description given by the seller and possess the same qualities and characteristics as other similar goods, and (2) be fit for the purpose which the consumer requires them and which was made known to the seller at the time of purchase. How many other European PS3 owners will follow suit? If Amazon forwards the bill to Sony, how will Sony respond?"
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PS3 Owner Refunded For Missing "Other OS"

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  • Justice (Score:5, Interesting)

    by headkase (533448) on Friday April 09, 2010 @09:03AM (#31788844)
    This is justice for anyone who was actually affected by the removal. And feedback for Sony for future decisions.
  • Re:Heh (Score:2, Interesting)

    by kramerd (1227006) on Friday April 09, 2010 @09:13AM (#31788978)

    Actually, as a PS3 owner who chooses to use the included OS, I am still angry at functionality that was included with purchase being removed. This affects the potential resale value. Or perhaps I want to play my old PS2 games without buying a PS2, since I sold mine when I bought a PS3 to offset the then $600 price tag. I'm sure the majority of complaints stem from actual issues that vary based on how people use their respective consoles.

  • by TubeSteak (669689) on Friday April 09, 2010 @09:13AM (#31788984) Journal

    No EULA will override basic legal principles.
    Judges are rather consistent about the fact some rights just cannot be signed away.

  • by juletre (739996) on Friday April 09, 2010 @09:14AM (#31788986)
    A friend of mine sent a letter to Sony Norway telling them how his PS3 stopped working as advertised. In Norway any consumer electronics should be expected to work in 5 years. As it stands his PS3 just stopped working well short of the five years.
    No reply as of yet, but should be fun.
  • Re:Justice (Score:3, Interesting)

    by theaveng (1243528) on Friday April 09, 2010 @09:25AM (#31789136)

    Questions about the EU:

    - How come the customer was not required to go to court *first* before getting his refund?

    - What if the retailer had simply said, "No."
    - What would have happened next?

  • Re:Heh (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Pojut (1027544) on Friday April 09, 2010 @09:32AM (#31789190) Homepage

    Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are a LOT of people out there who were using this capability...I just mean the people who had no idea they could even do this suddenly demanding a refund.

  • Re:Justice (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Zerth (26112) on Friday April 09, 2010 @09:33AM (#31789200)

    Speaking of European sales, I wonder if any of the European countries will go after Sony for additional VAT and tariffs because the PS3 is now just a gameplaying machine instead of a "freely programmable general purpose computer".

  • Re:Justice (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Vanderhoth (1582661) on Friday April 09, 2010 @09:35AM (#31789220)
    I'd like to see that. I've read in several places they only allowed Linux for the EU tax break. I'd like to see Sony have to pay retroactively seeing as how they retroactively removed the feature.
  • Re:Car analogy. (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 09, 2010 @09:37AM (#31789256)

    You can still use the space, but anyone who wants to sit in the back has to go in through the front and via the inbetween space between the front seats.

    Sorry! Crawling into the back space, in any way, is a violation of the DMCA. ISPs will be required to put video cameras in your car to make sure you aren't occupying any unauthorized areas (that's their job don't ya know?).

  • by jbssm (961115) on Friday April 09, 2010 @09:55AM (#31789538)
    I believe in this case it's not even a warranty problem. In Portugal, the warranty is 2 years. But they cannot remove functionality just because the warranty is over. Even if it had passed 4 years I would still be entitled to compensation in this case.
  • Re:Justice (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 09, 2010 @10:53AM (#31790306)

    It works similarly here in Australia.

    If you contact a company and let them know they might be breaking the law, they'll go out of their way to keep you happy with a refund or free stuff or similar.

    If not, you can take them to small claims court.

  • by David.R.Benham (1076619) on Friday April 09, 2010 @10:56AM (#31790362)
    My Master's thesis involved studying the Cell processor, and due to cost, the only way I could get a hold of one was via the PS3. In fact, when I bought the PS3, the guy at Best Buy was surprised I wasn't buying any games for it. I told him I plan on installing Linux on it and was going to investigate the internal architecture of the Cell processor. I never would have bought the system if it hadn't been for the 'Other OS' feature in the first place. I am sure glad I finished my work in 2008, I'd be screwed if I hadn't. Now I'm faced with the risk of bricking it if I update it. Nice.
  • Re:Justice (Score:2, Interesting)

    by stonewallred (1465497) on Friday April 09, 2010 @11:30AM (#31790868)
    In my state you can only file a small claims case in the county which the principle you are suing resides. I was served papers (the sheriff dept called me and I stopped by to pick them up)for a dentist bill my insurance failed to pay, and they sued me in the county which I worked, not where I lived. The lawyer was a bitch, so after about 15 minutes of bantering back and forth, the judge asked if there was anything I wished to add. I asked that the case be dismissed since I lived in a different county, showed my DL and he dismissed it. Lawyer was not happy, as she filed in the wrong venue and would not get paid most likely.
  • by Jck_Strw (35674) on Friday April 09, 2010 @12:19PM (#31791622)

    With Amazon, Sony, Target, whomever.

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