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Nintendo 3DS Early Impressions 273

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Now that E3 attendees have had a chance to try out the new revision of Nintendo's portable console, critiques of the 3D effect and updated layout are starting to filter in. Opinion thus far has been mostly positive. Wired writes, "The graphics, which are much more advanced than you’d expect from Nintendo, left me pretty much in disbelief. They're on a level with Sony’s PSP, probably even a little better than that. But the eye-popping 3-D effect makes everything that much richer." According to the Guardian's Games blog, it works "beautifully." They add, "You can perceive 3D only if the console is directly in front of you, but this is fine for handheld gaming. I actually found it pretty adaptable in terms of viewing from different vertical positions. It was much more sensitive if the handheld was turned slightly to the left or right, but really, it coped perfectly with the slight shifts and jerks you'd get on a morning commute." During Shigeru Miyamoto's annual dev roundtable, he explained how Nintendo felt that particular types of games, such as shooters, benefit more from the 3D effect than others, and how Nintendo hopes to update as many older games as they can to incorporate 3D gameplay in addition to 3D graphics.
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Nintendo 3DS Early Impressions

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  • I see.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 17, 2010 @05:50AM (#32600078)

    An explosion of porn apps for the 3ds.

    (ha)

    • An explosion of porn apps for the 3ds.

      (ha)

      "ha"? How about +5 Insightful.

    • by vegiVamp (518171)
      I'd be more worried about the term "pop-up ad" getting an entirely new meaning. No, not very relevant on the 3DS, but other applications will probably not lag behind.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by tepples (727027)

      An explosion of porn apps for the 3ds.

      No console maker allows AO rated games, and there have been fewer than a dozen M rated games on the DS.

  • It really was beautiful. This looks to be for games what Avatar was for 3d movies. Unlike the active shutter 3D demos, this one seemed to suffer far less drawbacks. Including, not having to wear expensive shutter glasses.
    The effect actually adds a lot to the perception of the game world in most cases, though there are obviously the instances where it seems like a gimic. But even as a gimic, it makes the 3d world feel all that more real.
    And the 3D camera is rather impressive too.

    • ...and with that one analogy, you've killed my interest in the 3DS.

      • by N0Man74 (1620447)

        So, because you didn't like the script or story to the movie, you are going to stick your head in your ass and ignore the fact that it was a movie that is widely regarded as being a great success as far as making an effective 3D presentation and for generating acceptance and enthusiasm for 3D in general?

        Even if the film was rubbish, it had a pretty big impact on the industry (for better or worse) and certainly did not fail in eye candy, 3d, or effects departments.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyw8YGuEEyg [youtube.com]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bUm4_dyiI4 [youtube.com]

    Same exact gameplay. No real graphical improvements. So why is it "3d" and they claim the graphics are "updated", when they aren't? 3d doesn't always make a game more fun or always make the graphics better.

    • by cowscows (103644)

      I'm sorry to hear that you're blind, as that's the only way that I can figure that you don't see graphical improvements. Having put plenty of hours into the 90's NBA Jam, I think that this new version appears to have the perfect blend of realism and cartoon-ish feel to really fit what I expect.

      Of course the gameplay is basically the same. It wouldn't be NBA Jam if it wasn't. While innovation is great and all, there's certainly something to be said for taking a successful formula, and giving it a little upd

    • by tepples (727027)

      So why is it "3d"

      Because otherwise, Sony wouldn't digitally sign it for booting on the retail console.

      Also, because it's more expensive to draw every player in 2D at every angle. NBA Jam on 16-bit systems used a generic basketball player body scaled to about five sizes along with unique character heads. To add a new player, only the head needed to be redrawn at all angles. But now at least the upmarket players expect more than eight angles and numbers on uniforms, and at some point, it becomes easier for the artists just

  • by the_mind_ (157933) on Thursday June 17, 2010 @07:00AM (#32600364)

    Does the 3D screen make the images "pop" out like one of those double concave mirrors or does the image "sink in" so it feels like you look into a box?

    And did anyone think to bring a stereo camera and take some photos?

  • by ad454 (325846) on Thursday June 17, 2010 @07:13AM (#32600418)

    Why buy a dedicated handheld gaming device, when you can get smart phone, pda, or tablet like the iPhone/iTouch/iPad, Zune/WM7, Android, or WebOS device that is just as portable, will do a decent job playing games, plus let you surf the net, do your e-mail, and hold your media (music, videos, etc.)?

    If I was in charge of Nintendo, I would put a big chunk of flash in the 3DS, and include a browser, e-mail client, and media player. And also make a smart phone version as well.

    Do they really think that people want to carry a separate portable gaming device, media player, and pda or smart phone in this day and age? Especially when you consider that you can buy a low end Zune or iPod Touch 8GB in the same price range as a Nintendo DSi.

    • I really, really wanted a port of PalmOS (even one of the old monochrome ones) for my DS - a PDA that you can also play games on... it even looked the part held in "book" aspect - just like an old yuppie filofax. The instant-on suspend mode really lasts, it has an alarm, etc, etc.

      • I really, really wanted a port of PalmOS (even one of the old monochrome ones) for my DS - a PDA that you can also play games on

        Get a homebrew card for your DS or DS Lite and install DSOrganize and MoonShell.

    • by Ogive17 (691899) on Thursday June 17, 2010 @07:40AM (#32600566)
      First of all smart phones (as we in the US know them) are almost non-existant in Japan. Secondly, gaming on smart phones is not very enjoyable or easy unless you have tiny fingers. Handheld gaming devices are designed to be more comfortable to hold in a gaming position.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by JanneM (7445)

        "First of all smart phones (as we in the US know them) are almost non-existant in Japan. "

        The iPhone has been here for years and is a major hit. The Sony Ericsson Xperia Android phone is NTT Docomo's best selling phone in recent history. You can also get Windows-based smartphones and Blackberrys, though they're obviously aimed squarely at the suit-and-tie set. And now the iPhone 4 is being heavily preordered while every carrier is coming out with Android models as fast as they can. So no, smsrtphones are no

        • by Ogive17 (691899)
          Oh yeah, how much of the cell phone market does the iPhone have in Japan? I'm willing to bet it is statistically insignificant. I've been to Japan a couple times over the past few years and have NEVER seen a smart phone. Everyone I saw while commuting either had their head buried in a flip/slide phone or a DS. Granted the flip/slide phones in Japan are much more advanced than the ones we can get in the US.
          • by JanneM (7445)

            I live here and commute every day. I see iPhones - and now, Android phones - every day. Yes, all smartphones combined are just a smaller part of the overall cellphone market; but then, that is the case in the US and Europe as well, all the marketing hype notwithstanding.

    • by drinkypoo (153816)

      I suspect Nintendo will kick out a phone eventually... about the time people stop buying dedicated handhelds. Side-talkin' FTW!

    • by DarkXale (1771414) on Thursday June 17, 2010 @08:13AM (#32600742)
      You need to do your research, badly. The DSi already has a Media Player, and it also already has a browser. We can expect that the 3DS will be no different. I personally am not bothered by an e-mail client - and I'm sure most other people aren't as well. I do not need yet another place to check my email. Second of all, the reason why something like the iPod touch won't be able to scratch much of the 3DS (and following consoles) market is because the Touch/iPhone provide very poor precision, response time, and absolutely no input feedback, not to mention that with a touchscreen system you have to block part of the screen (possibly critical parts) to play. Phones which do not use touchscreen input rarely (read: never) have good button placement for the activity. In addition, these devices are rarely designed to be held in the hand for extended amounts of time. They work for short 5-10 minute sessions, but after that they can start to get uncomfortable. These aren't problems in the much more simplistic flash-like games which consist of nearly 100% of the current smartphone market. But add in games with more complexity, and the issues for the format become all more apparent. Most fully featured smartphone games currently exist in current console games as minigames or Quick-Time-Events. The "Pokemon Marathon" which debuted in Heart Gold & Soul Silver behaves exactly like a fully featured game I would expect on the iPhone (it even uses touch control), there is even arguably more depth to it than most iPhone games. But this 'game' is a tiny (and ignorable) part of the main game itself.
    • by Stan Vassilev (939229) on Thursday June 17, 2010 @08:54AM (#32601070)

      Why buy a dedicated handheld gaming device, when you can get smart phone, pda, or tablet like the iPhone/iTouch/iPad, Zune/WM7, Android, or WebOS device that is just as portable, will do a decent job playing games, plus let you surf the net, do your e-mail, and hold your media (music, videos, etc.)?

      I've heard that argument before...

      Why buy a dedicated iOS tablet, when you can have a fully featured laptop that is just as portable, will let you run Flash, Photoshop...

      And yet, iPads sell. So here you are, using the same argument, this time in favor of buying an iPad. People like a simpler, dedicated device, that does more than a "decent job" at the things they want.

    • by Qbertino (265505)

      Yepp. The King of a sinking ship that is continuously raking in bizar amounts of revenue, Revenue of which about a 10th would suffice to build a solid golden nuclear sub for the entire Nintendo Mobile division to blast the remains of console competitors like the PSP and its botchjob buddy PSP Go into chunky kibbles.
      As long as they have a licence to print money and make money from the first unit sold onward I think Nintendo couldn't care less wether the rest of the world thought that mobile consoles where a

    • by dunezone (899268) on Thursday June 17, 2010 @09:21AM (#32601296) Journal

      Do they really think that people want to carry a separate portable gaming device, media player, and pda or smart phone in this day and age?

      Yes, and 130 million DS owners prove it.

    • by TravisO (979545) on Thursday June 17, 2010 @09:50AM (#32601550) Homepage
      You do realize the DS outsold the iPhone & Android put together? Why would N bother copying a loser, in regards to gaming sales?
    • Do they have gaming controls yet? Do they have Nintendo's games in it? Have they stopped making them obsolete every 6 months yet?
      I think I'll buy the 3DS, thank you very much.
    • Do they really think that people want to carry a separate portable gaming device, media player, and pda or smart phone in this day and age?

      Yes, and you would to if you looked at the games currently available for phones.

    • by IICV (652597) on Thursday June 17, 2010 @10:52AM (#32602308)

      Why would anyone buy a toaster when they have an oven?

      Sometimes you just want a device that does one thing, and does it well.

    • by tepples (727027)

      Why buy a dedicated handheld gaming device, when you can get smart phone

      Because I don't want another $1,440 per two years phone bill. I already have a phone through Virgin Mobile USA, and it costs me $7 per month. To read web pages on the bus, I use the Read It Later extension for Firefox on my netbook and sync when I'm at home or at a restaurant.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      Why buy a dedicated handheld gaming device, when you can get smart phone, pda, or tablet like the iPhone/iTouch/iPad, Zune/WM7, Android, or WebOS device that is just as portable, will do a decent job playing games, plus let you surf the net, do your e-mail, and hold your media (music, videos, etc.)?

      As an owner of an iPhone, a DS, and a PSP, I can tell you it's because the iPhone isn't so hot at playing games. You'll notice nobody's running around replacing controllers with touch screens. Buttons make a huge difference. Incidentally this didn't help the PSP.

      If I was in charge of Nintendo, I would put a big chunk of flash in the 3DS, and include a browser, e-mail client, and media player. And also make a smart phone version as well.

      With all due respect, do you really think you can tell Nintendo how to make more money?

      Do they really think that people want to carry a separate portable gaming device, media player, and pda or smart phone in this day and age?

      This was a bigger concern 5 years ago when anybody needed all those devices. Today my phone is a pda, smart phone, and media player. I have more pocket space

  • Rebuy! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by markdavis (642305) on Thursday June 17, 2010 @07:25AM (#32600480)

    >"Nintendo hopes to update as many older games as they can to incorporate 3D gameplay in addition to 3D graphics."

    So you can buy all your old games yet again!

    VHS
    DVD
    Blueray
    Blueray 3D...

    • It would be interesting to see if the 3DS is backwards compatible with the DS Lite. Nintendo typically always support the previous generation of consoles.

      It would also be interesting to see if playing an older DS game will be interpolated into some sort of pseudo-3D on the 3DS - perhaps with some downloadable modules specific to each game. Not to change the gameplay, but perhaps to just give it a new look and feel.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by dsparil (844576)
        It is backwards compatible with DS and DSiWare games. That was said during the keynote but articles don't seem to mention it for some reason.
  • by kj_kabaje (1241696) on Thursday June 17, 2010 @08:08AM (#32600702)
    "If you tilt the unit away from your face so it's almost at a 180-degree angle, you can still see the 3-D effect."

    How the fsck do you manage to see the screen when you've turned it completely away from your face?
  • Is it compatible with my old Virtual Boy game? [wikipedia.org]
  • The Wiser... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by _KiTA_ (241027) on Thursday June 17, 2010 @09:34AM (#32601414) Homepage

    The wiser people at Microsoft and Sony are pissing themselves right now.

    The 3DS is better in literally every stat than the PSP, even the PSPgo. Better graphics, better screen, bigger data files (2GB max at launch opposed to 1.8GB UMDs), better input (analog stick, dpad, AND touch), better everything.

    Nintendo spent a time with weaker graphics to perfect a "gimmick", and once it became cheap to increase the graphics, did.

    Meanwhile, on the "big boy stage", both of the other big 3 are busy trying to desperately imitate the "gimmick" of motion control that they spent the past few years mocking Nintendo for doing. Meanwhile, Nintendo's perfecting it.

    It's cheap, from an IP standpoint, to add more graphical power. You don't really need to research it, for example.

    And now, it's cheap from a hardware standpoint, too.

    That 8 bit chiptune version of the Jaws Theme you hear is Nintendo, stalking Sony and Microsoft's lunch.

    The Wii3D or whatever their next console is going to be is going to do the same thing the 3DS did to the PSP, to the PS3 and the 360. Take a gimmick they have perfected, perhaps add another gimmick, but increase the graphics and remove the one advantage the other two have.

    • The Wii3D or whatever their next console is going to be is going to do the same thing the 3DS did to the PSP, to the PS3 and the 360. Take a gimmick they have perfected, perhaps add another gimmick, but increase the graphics and remove the one advantage the other two have.

      As I understand it... Sony now has 3D TV support on the PS3. In effect, Sony has beaten everyone else to market on this. Of course, from what I understand, only one company makes 3D TVs at this point... Sony [sony.net].

      Also, it only works with cert

    • Meanwhile, on the "big boy stage", both of the other big 3 are busy trying to desperately imitate the "gimmick" of motion control that they spent the past few years mocking Nintendo for doing. Meanwhile, Nintendo's perfecting it.

      While I think, yes, to a large degree, kinetic and move are trying to cash in on the same thing that's propelling the wii, and move is clearly a blatant ripoff, I don't think Nintendo's really "perfecting it". I haven't seen any games that really use the motion controls for much. It's been 4 years, and still the best games on the system only use it for "shake the controller and that will do something that we could have put as a button push if we had more buttons to work with." Move is said to be more sen

    • by am 2k (217885)

      []remove the one advantage the other two have.

      That's going to be easy, since the two are just copying the Wii right now.

    • by papasui (567265)
      The true advantage the 360 and PS3 currently have is decent 3rd party games and a true online experience.. The only really good stuff for WII has been all made by Nintendo, and the WIIs online capability has been pretty awful.

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