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Sony Releases PS3 Firmware Update To Fight Jailbreaks 336

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RyuuzakiTetsuya writes "Destructoid is reporting that the 3.42 firmware has been released for the PlayStation 3, and it has fixed the USB vulnerability that allows the PSJailbreak exploit to work." Sony's brief announcement of the update refers only to "additional security features," though the EU blog post acknowledges that a vulnerability was addressed. PS3-Hacks.com confirms that the patch is effective against the various jailbreak tools, and they point out a different tool for bypassing the update. Sony told the BBC, "... as we always have, we will continue to take necessary actions to both hardware and software to protect the intellectual content provided on the PlayStation 3."
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Sony Releases PS3 Firmware Update To Fight Jailbreaks

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  • Huh, that's odd. It was only yesterday that I was being told Sony had lost the PS3 hacking war [slashdot.org]. Wait a second, this sounds familiar. Did a Texan in a flight suit show up at the unveiling of PSGroove with a giant banner?
    • by morari (1080535)

      Sony has lost. Once it began, Sony lost. It's now an endless game of cat and mouse, where Sony must dump tons of money into research and development, only to have their patches cracked again a few days later.

      • by BStroms (1875462) on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @03:50PM (#33501398)
        I don't know the technical details of this particular hack and how easy it will be for hackers to get around the patch. However, even if they're unable to stop the pirates for long, the money may not be as wasted as it initially seems. Imagine if it actually were as many people here would like. No DRM was ever put on games, and no one was ever prosecuted for piracy, or even running servers to distribute pirated material.

        Once it got into the public perception that pirating games was easy and virtually risk free, I think you'd see a whole new floodgate open that really would destroy the gaming market. You'd get many people who formerly bought games deciding they can save some money by just pirating everything. Then, as piracy becomes more and more commonplace, even many of those who firmly believe it's wrong will start to grow bitter.

        Knowing they're continuing to spend money trying to support the game makers only to see nearly everyone they know just grabbing the titles for free. Then watching as company of company struggling just to keep afloat despite making critically acclaimed games that are being played by millions. Many of them will decide it's just not worth it anymore and decide to save their money before the inevitable crash.

        Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't think humanity is selfless enough to support a thriving software market on the honor system. I suppose it's possible games could survive in some form as interactive ads that endlessly try to market products to you, but not much beyond that. DRM may always doomed to failure, and lawsuits seem excessive and overly heartless. Even so, I believe the fear of getting in trouble and the effort of getting around DRM provides benefit to the companies that practice them that goes beyond the cost of their implementation.
        • by Leynos (172919) on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @04:13PM (#33501734) Homepage

          I disagree. My PS2, Xbox and Wii are all modded. How many pirated games do I own for these platforms? None.

          • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

            by BStroms (1875462)
            I'm not saying there aren't legitimate reasons beyond pirating games to mod a system. Nor that no one would ever buy a game if the could get it for free. I'm just considering what would happen if anyone could go online and download and play whatever game they wanted for free without any fear of being sued or criminally charge.

            I don't believe the market could support anywhere near the number and quality of games it currently does under that business model.
            • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

              by psych0munky (1673632)

              I think you miss the point entirely. Considering a market were piracy goes unpunished, etc as you indicate is, IMO, sheer lunacy. Either that or I missed the part of the conversation where Sony trying to lock out the jailbreak was being done because the jailbreakers are advocating such a market place.

              From what I have seen, (I am part of the PSP jailbreak/homebrew community), most people want to do this becauseof one of the following:

              • The hardware doesn't do exactly what they want/need it to do (i.e. the
        • by morari (1080535)

          Once it got into the public perception that pirating games was easy and virtually risk free, I think you'd see a whole new floodgate open that really would destroy the gaming market.

          I think that companies like Sony do a good enough job of destroying the gaming market on their own. I remember when video games used to be fun... then the Playstation came out and it's been steadily declining since.

        • by MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @04:27PM (#33501948)

          That floodgate has been open for PC games, movies, and music for years and those markets haven't even been able to show any damage, let alone been destroyed. If they keep pushing, though, they'll have a self-fulfilling prophecy on their hands.

        • by GrumpySteen (1250194) on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @05:28PM (#33502644)

          Once it got into the public perception that pirating games was easy and virtually risk free, I think you'd see a whole new floodgate open that really would destroy the gaming market.

          ROFL

          What alternate universe did you come from? Pirating software is and always has been easy and virtually risk free. Look at the experiences of Reflexive [gamasutra.com] and 2D Boy [2dboy.com], for example. Reflexive released a game with DRM and 2D Boy released one without... both found piracy rates were around 90%. Reflexive estimated that, for every 1,000 pirated copies their DRM eliminated, they gained 1 sale.

          Do you think the 90% of people who pirated those programs suffered any reprisal at all? Can you find even a single instance of someone being punished for copying either program? Of course not. Piracy is virtually risk free.

          Breaking DRM may be difficult, but it only has to be broken once. The vast majority of the people who download pirated software are just grabbing a copy that's already broken and know absolutely nothing about DRM. For the majority, it's as easy as clicking a link.

          And yet... not only has the gaming industry continued to exist, it has grown enormously. Your declaration that piracy being easy and risk free would destroy the game industry is completely, utterly wrong because piracy IS easy and virtually risk free and the game industry has not been destroyed.

          The undeniable truth is that the vast majority of pirates aren't interested in buying software. No amount of DRM is going to change that. It's just as true that removing DRM doesn't turn the 10% or so who do buy software into pirates. The figures stay the same regardless of DRM.

          Despite what you believe, it seems that about 10% of humanity is selfless enough to support a thriving software market on what is, in fact, mostly an honor system.

  • by elrous0 (869638) * on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @02:51PM (#33500548)
    But if it makes you feel any better, Sony--yeah, you've "won."
    • by Abstrackt (609015)

      Yeah, because the last hack came out so quickly.

      Personally, I'd be happy if people just stopped saying Sony won or lost because reality is nowhere near that simple. Yesterday's news was a setback for Sony, not a loss. Todays news is not a loss for console hackers, it's a setback. Now that the genie's out of the bottle a lot of people are going to do whatever it takes to block updates to their PS3s. Linux is once again possible but piracy is also possible now. I imagine some people at Sony are still pre

      • by elrous0 (869638) *
        Until pretty recently, Sony wasn't a very appealing target. For a long time Sony lagged far behind the 360 (at least in the U.S.) and Wii. It's only been in the last year or so that they've gotten enough decent exclusives to finally be on the radar. Combine that with their recent removal of the OtherOS option, and hackers have finally started to actively work on the PS3 as a worthy target. It won't take them years to release the next hack, probably more like months (if not weeks or days).
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Hatta (162192)

      It took them long enough to break the old firmware. There's no reason to assume that breaking the new firmware will be any better.

      • by DamienRBlack (1165691) on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @03:23PM (#33501072)
        Once the system has been opened up it can be analyzed in great detail giving hackers many more tools and insight into the system than when it is closed. From here on out, Sony will be fighting a loosing battle. Computer architecture is designed to do what you tell it to do. Up until the hack, Sony was the only one who knew how to phrase the requests, giving then a firm advantage. After the crack, thousands of people have been able to have a good look at the internal workings. There is no way for Sony to get back to where they were, security-wise, without new hardware. The hackers are just going to learn more and more until they can order the machine around as well as Sony.
        • by Abstrackt (609015)
          You raise some interesting points. I hope you're right.
        • Didn't this hack merely put the console into development/debug mode? I haven't heard of anyone using the USB hack to so something more "low-level" like restoring the OtherOS feature or allow RSX access in Linux (after all, this USB hack should probably work for those who opted not to update to keep OtherOS). A Sony-created development environment sandbox is far different than a complete hypervisor hack.

          Granted, I suppose it may be too early to assess what is really exposed by the USB hack.

      • by Spad (470073)

        It's "only" taken 6 months really (since the Other OS functionality was removed and the effort began in earnest) and it's always much easier to re-break these things than it is to break them in the first place.

  • by Sonny Yatsen (603655) * on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @02:51PM (#33500550) Journal

    It's never been really about protecting intellectual content on the PS3. It's always been about how much money Sony can squeeze out of a customer, even after they've already paid for the console. Remember the OtherOS option? Since Sony makes their money from games, a PS3 with Linux installed (whether by an individual owner or as part of some sort of cluster) wouldn't make any money for Sony, so they took away the option, even if the owner bought it just for the OtherOS option.

    Same thing with the jailbreaking now. PS3s with homebrew content isn't going to make any money for Sony, so they'll close that option, too. God forbid if Sony ever decides that we don't pay enough for games and starts charging us a dime for every minute we play.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by bennomatic (691188)
      I've totally managed to avoid this by never purchasing a PS3, an XBox, a Nintendo DS, or for that matter, an iPhone.
      • by tepples (727027)

        I've totally managed to avoid this by never purchasing a PS3, an XBox, a Nintendo DS, or for that matter, an iPhone.

        Then what do you recommend for people who like to play video games on a handheld device or on a television?

        • by Shikaku (1129753) on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @03:00PM (#33500658)

          http://openpandora.org/ [openpandora.org]

          A Pandora.

          • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

            by BenoitRen (998927)

            The Pandora has its own problems, like being expensive, having a limited supply, etc. A GamePark machine like the GP32 or GP2X would be a better option if you're looking for a handheld gaming device.

            The best option at the moment, though, is a Nokia N900. But that's more of a smartphone than a handheld gaming device.

            • The Pandora has its own problems, like being expensive, having a limited supply, etc. A GamePark machine like the GP32 or GP2X would be a better option if you're looking for a handheld gaming device.

              The Pandora is the "spiritual successor" to the GamePark machines, which are EOLed now, and has much of the fan community of the latter behind it. And from personal experience, the GP2X was a horrible, horrible machine and ALSO suffered from the expensive and limited supply problem.

          • Pandora vs. PSP (Score:2, Redundant)

            by tepples (727027)
            Context: PS3 uses a lockout chip, as do most other consoles. One user avoids consoles with lockout chips on principle. Discussion began about recommendations for an alternative to such consoles.

            A Pandora.

            This page [openpandora.org] suggests that there's a lead time of several months to buy the hardware.

            And though Wikipedia has a list of games for the major video game consoles, its article about Pandora [wikipedia.org] lacked such a list. Nor could I find a corresponding with Google games for pandora or list of pandora games. Google pandora release

        • by devent (1627873)
          On a television you can play your computer. Just plug the TV to the computer, I think all TVs have VGA, DVI, HDMI inputs. Then buy a controller and play all the games you like.
          • by toastar (573882)

            On a television you can play your computer. Just plug the TV to the computer, I think all TVs have VGA, DVI, HDMI inputs. Then buy a controller and play all the games you like.

            Yeah then get stomped because everyone else uses a mouse and keyboard.

            The whole point of a console is everyone gets handicapped.... or in sony's case knee-capped

            • by Pojut (1027544)

              If you ever wanted to truly show someone how much better a PC game looks than its console cousin, do what the GP suggestion.

              Besides, they do make wireless keyboards and mice...

              • by tepples (727027)

                Besides, they do make wireless keyboards and mice

                Plural? In that case, the game runs into a problem with DirectInput: an application can see multiple gamepads but can't see more than one distinct keyboard and mouse. For example, if I press the left mouse button on player 1's mouse and then press the left mouse button on player 2's mouse, the game can't tell them apart. What do players 2 through 4 who live with me or are visiting me use? Separate PCs and separate TVs?

                • by Pojut (1027544)

                  Plural? In that case, the game runs into a problem with DirectInput: an application can see multiple gamepads but can't see more than one distinct keyboard and mouse. For example, if I press the left mouse button on player 1's mouse and then press the left mouse button on player 2's mouse, the game can't tell them apart. What do players 2 through 4 who live with me or are visiting me use? Separate PCs and separate TVs?

                  I take it you've never been to a LAN party...besides, most PC games don't allow co-op on the same screen anyway.

                  And yes, I know you were just being a smartass because I was a moron :-)

                • by h4rr4r (612664)

                  What is this "DirectInput"? I have used multiple mice with multiple arrows on Linux boxes many times before. Sounds like this directInput is your issue, I suggest avoiding whatever system uses that.

                  • by Vancorps (746090)
                    Of course going back to the Windows 98 days you can indeed configure your system for multiple keyboards and multiple mice. I usually did it in pairs as hotel reservation systems didn't take much in the way of resources so you could easily hook to up two to four consoles to a single computer streamlining the frontdesk. These days I imagine it would be even easier albeit I haven't really had a need for it since then.
          • by tepples (727027)
            Context: PC vs. PS3 and other consoles as a set-top video gaming device

            I think all TVs have VGA, DVI, HDMI inputs.

            SDTVs don't have DVI or HDMI ports. I recommend this adapter cable [sewelldirect.com] from VGA to SDTV, but most people don't know it exists because it's not sold in stores. And even those console gamers who have an HDTV are likely into consoles precisely because there aren't a lot of games made for the PC with major-label production values that support multiple gamepads. Does this mean I need to develop those games myself?

        • by sheehaje (240093) on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @03:09PM (#33500806)

          For gaming on a television, any PC with HDMI output will do...

          I run a fairly plain Dell low profile computer with a sapphire radeon HD 5570 and it's great as a media/game type pc for the living room. I added a cheap bluetooth adapter for keyboard and mouse, and I use a wired xbox 360 controller for those who prefer that (my wife)... There's even a wireless kit available for the xbox 360 controller...

          It's also great for the other usual sorts of things PC's are good for: email, web browsing, netflix, hulu, etc...

          I have an XBOX 360, but I rarely use it anymore... I'm not anti-console, I just find the console lacking in some areas, especially MMORPG's and Strategy type games.

      • Lol, same. I doubt my "homebrew computer" will ever have its "other OS" option removed ^_^
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by BenoitRen (998927)

        The Nintendo DS doesn't have upgradable firmware and has a thriving homebrew scene, so I wonder what it is you're avoiding by not buying one.

        • by peppepz (1311345)
          My Nintendo DSi does have an upgradable firmware which is updated once in a while by Nintendo for the sole purpose of disrupting "homebrew" development.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @03:09PM (#33500822)

      " It's always been about how much money Sony can squeeze out of a customer, even after they've already paid for the console."

      Let's just compare this asinine claim to reality:

      * Sony, just like PC gaming, provides FREE ONLINE to every single PS3 owner.

      * Sony provides FREE DEDICATED servers for all major competitive online games just like on the PC

      * Sony is developer friendly and completely open to FREE add-on content for PS3 owners to download

      * Sony's wildly successful 20 million+ userbase online world, Home, is completely FREE to every PS3 owner

      * Sony allows cheap, off the shelf harddrive upgrades

      * Sony allows cheap, off the shelf keyboard and mice to be used with the system

      Wow, what a bunch of evil gamer hating misers are those Sony guys...

    • by realmolo (574068)

      "God forbid if Sony ever decides that we don't pay enough for games and starts charging us a dime for every minute we play."

      They have talked about this. It's coming, and Microsoft plans on doing it, too. They want to "rent" the games to you - without the option to buy. The game might *eventually* be available for outright purchase, but not until it is no longer popular.

      The dream of EVERY software publisher is to somehow get you to pay them a monthly fee to keep your software working. It's guaranteed income.

    • by Hatta (162192)

      It's never been really about protecting intellectual content on the PS3. It's always been about how much money Sony can squeeze out of a customer

      That's what "protecting intellectual content" is all about. Copyright exists to force people to spend more money than they would have otherwise, thereby inflating the GDP.

      • Copyright exists to force people to spend more money than they would have otherwise, thereby inflating the GDP.

        How would that inflate the GDP? The extra money would have just been spent elsewhere.

        • by Hatta (162192)

          It may not have, it may have been saved. Or, after it's spent on intellectual property, it will be spent elsewhere again. Spending money on a non-scarce good is an extra transaction either way you look at it.

    • Since Sony makes their money from games, a PS3 with Linux installed (whether by an individual owner or as part of some sort of cluster) wouldn't make any money for Sony, so they took away the option, even if the owner bought it just for the OtherOS option.

      If it were really this nefarious, then Sony wouldn't have allowed you to install Linux in the first place. The most likely possibility is that the "OtherOS" option wasn't very popular, and Sony discontinued support for an unpopular feature.

      • The OtherOS feature was used to find a way to start work on a real jailbreak for the PS3. I'm pretty sure that's what got it eliminated.

        That in combination with user popularity.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by DarthVain (724186)

      Well yes and no.

      I agree with you that Sony disabling the OtherOS option was a kick in the sprouts, and generally speaking I think Sony is a horrible company that I refuse to buy products from, PS3 included (though once upon a time I considered, and thankfully heeded my own advice).

      Having said that it is about money, but it is about selling PS3 games, and people pirating games. I think it is pretty common sense that for every 1 person that might legitimately (in my mind anyway) tinker with it, install new ha

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by morari (1080535)

      God forbid if Sony ever decides that we don't pay enough for games and starts charging us a dime for every minute we play.

      Don't they already? At $60-$70 a pop, the time I spend having fun with each game equates to about 10 cents per minute.

      • by h4rr4r (612664)

        So you buy every game that you buy at launch and you only play them through once?

        You could then recoup a decent amount of that money by selling them.

    • Actually, it is. (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Programmer_In_Traini (566499) on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @03:20PM (#33501016)

      Just to play devil's advocate here,

      I'm really not fond of all the latest sony moves, i miss the other os option just like everybody. but at the same time they are protecting their IP. Because we can claim the homebrew scene all we want. We *know* that most people will be buying the USB dongle to play copies...erm... backups.

      I'm not saying there aren't any genuine homebrew and useful mods, I'm saying that most people won't be into that. By stopping us from playing game copies, sony is protecting their IP.

      Sony would be way smarter to keep stopping people from playing game copies but at the same time, provide a resource kit for modders to keep on modding. The PS3 is a beautiful and powerful piece of plastic and by providing the other os option (initially) i think sony was in the right track.

    • You should know Sony isn't against anyone doing homebrew, look at the minis program for example. What Sony's doing is protecting their system from piracy so that they can leverage sales to developers, not you and I.

      The theory is that developers don't want to make games for a system that is easily used for piracy and thus Sony makes some level of guarantee that they won't allow piracy to the best of their ability and by increasing legitimate sales for their partners, they gain more games with higher costs o

  • by MightyMartian (840721) on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @03:03PM (#33500700) Journal

    And in other news, it is reported that the Little Dutch Boy is running out of fingers to stick in the dike.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      That's the least of his problems. More important is the way the dike slaps him every time he tries to stick a finger in her.
  • by Script Cat (832717) on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @03:14PM (#33500906)
    Seriously, why would anyone want to develop user code for that junk lockout box. Doing so only increases the value of the box for Sony. Sony has burned so many bridges I wonder why anyone would give them there business. Sony is first and foremost a media company and this is incompatible with being an electronics company. An actual electronics company should be on the customers side when engineering the box. These days most engineering on these junk boxes is to prevent function and track users. These devices should not be purchased.
    • by ALeavitt (636946) <aleavitt.gmail@com> on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @03:44PM (#33501336)
      The most obvious reason to develop for a home console in this day and age is money. Quite simply, video games on consoles outsell games on PCs by a very wide margin. With the video game market poised to top $10 billion in the US alone this year, it should be fairly obvious why a developer would choose to develop for consoles instead of the PC - sales are higher than on PC, piracy is almost nonexistent compared to PCs, and consoles are both more popular and visible as gaming devices than PCs. You can argue that everybody plays Flash games on PCs and that the PC gaming market is larger than the console market, but I would argue that for people who actually pay money to play video games, consoles are the go-to destination. Some developers are unconcerned with programming as a political statement and just want to develop something that will pay the bills.
  • by Khisanth Magus (1090101) on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @03:14PM (#33500910)
    As in "homebrew" pirated games, yes? Do you honestly think more than 10% of the people who "jailbreak" a ps3 are doing it so they can run Linux or play homebrew games on it? Of course not, they are doing it so they can download games and not pay for them. Given the fact that one of the first things that seemed to be released with the new "jailbreak" were ways to play "backups", I think it is pretty obvious what people really want it for. Stop pretending otherwise. Sony is well within their rights to stop people from stealing games. If you are mad at Sony for taking away your ability to play Linux or whatever on it, maybe you should get mad at the "pirates" who feel they are entitled to play games they haven't paid for, because they are the reason Sony has to take away the capabilities.
    • by ledow (319597)

      That's like banning video recorders because people use them to infringe copyright (please stop calling it piracy - it's legally inaccurate). The majority use of video recorders was entirely legitimate, and at the time every company that produced media was trying to find some way to stop the "horrendous" technology which was going to destroy television / movies forever. The same happened with DVD recorders, tape recorders, photocopiers, etc. before it. And still, the MAJORITY use was entirely legitimate.

      W

    • by Abstrackt (609015)

      As in "homebrew" pirated games, yes? Do you honestly think more than 10% of the people who "jailbreak" a ps3 are doing it so they can run Linux or play homebrew games on it? Of course not, they are doing it so they can download games and not pay for them. Given the fact that one of the first things that seemed to be released with the new "jailbreak" were ways to play "backups", I think it is pretty obvious what people really want it for. Stop pretending otherwise. Sony is well within their rights to stop people from stealing games. If you are mad at Sony for taking away your ability to play Linux or whatever on it, maybe you should get mad at the "pirates" who feel they are entitled to play games they haven't paid for, because they are the reason Sony has to take away the capabilities.

      I would be interested in your thoughts on playing games I have paid for from backups. I keep the originals in the cases and out of reach of children and careless adults. I bought the console, I bought the game, I just made a copy for personal use. Does that make me a pirate?

    • by Spad (470073)

      And yet it was Sony's removal of the Other OS functionality that led to this jailbreaking in the first place, so saying that the "evil pirates" have forced poor innocent Sony who love their customers *this* much to take away the capabilities" is a little disingenuous.

      • by Derekloffin (741455) on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @03:38PM (#33501266)
        And it is disingenuous itself to not point out that those same hackers jailbreaking the other OS is why it got removed. Make no mistake, this is a war, and legitimate users are the collateral damage. Neither side is blameless, Sony nor the hackers.
        • And it is disingenuous itself to not point out that those same hackers jailbreaking the other OS is why it got removed. Make no mistake, this is a war, and legitimate users are the collateral damage. Neither side is blameless, Sony nor the hackers.

          This is exactly the point I wanted to make.

    • by Mashiki (184564)

      That's funny. Because from everything I hear from the talking media heads and spokes peoples for the console/game companies, there is no pirating of games on consoles. It's impossible! All the pirating happens on PC's.

  • by StuartHankins (1020819) on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @03:26PM (#33501108)
    After the CD rootkit debacle, I will never trust Sony again. They could come to my house bearing roses and I'd kick 'em in the nads.
  • Kudos (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Is0m0rph (819726) on Tuesday September 07, 2010 @03:35PM (#33501226)
    While I can't stand Sony and wouldn't own a PS3 at least they quickly tackled this. Playing Modern Warfare 2 on the Xbox 360 with all the JTAGed Xboxes running rampant hacking public games on Xbox Live while MS does nothing hasn't been fun this year.
    • by kurokame (1764228)
      It's not about you. It's about maintaining developer confidence that the console is an effective DRM device.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      The JTAG hack doesn't work on Xboxs that have been upgraded past Summer 2009, and you have to upgrade to the latest software to be allowed on to XBL, and that hack doesn't allow you to do arbitrary cheating, so I kind of doubt that is the real issue. If you're completely convinced you're playing against cheaters, it might be modded controllers but it's unlikely to be a code-level compromise.
  • rootkit on CD's - I stopped purchasing CDs
    retroactive feature lockout - the PS3 is the last game console I will purchase from Sony, for all its wonder Sony has shown once again that they have nothing but contempt and arrogance toward their customers, a let them eat bread approach, needs to be addressed with a vote from the pocketbook.

    As much as it pains me to do so, anyone who will ask me about a game box will get a 'build one' or purchase an XBox 360, I don't see Microsoft as any friendlier towards their c

    • Also, MS released group chat (for pay of course, it's a Gold feature) and then lets developers disable it in their games (like Modern Warfare).

      Face it, feature sets change for devices over time.

      The idea that this hack happened because Linux was removed is absurd. People like to hack stuff. People like to pirate stuff. 360 never had Linux removed and it was hacked. PSP never had Linux removed and it was hacked. DS never had Linux removed and it was hacked.

      The Linux sucked anyway, you'd do better to use a net

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