Leaked Document Hints At Augmented Reality Glasses For Future Xbox 86
An anonymous reader writes "A 56-page leaked document details Microsoft's plans to build a Project Glass competitor. Kinect Glasses is marked as a 2014 project designed to connect to a future Xbox 720 console. The document also includes potential pricing for the next Xbox — $299 with a Kinect 2."
Competitor? (Score:1)
Project Glass *IS MICROSOFT'S*. Why would they develop a competitor to their own competitor to the WiiU?
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Project Glass *IS MICROSOFT'S*. Why would they develop a competitor to their own competitor to the WiiU?
Nope. They're leading innovation again - from the tail of the pack. In this case following Google's er - pre-factual imitation.
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Can't we just be grateful that Microsoft shills continue to post on /. so that we can all have something to bitch about? Next headline should be along the lines of, "Micorosoft saves the world - read the details here!"
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Can't we just be grateful that Microsoft shills continue to post on /. so that we can all have something to bitch about?
Microsoft shills? Wow, now even someone confusing Smart Glass with Project Glass is called a Microsoft shill...getting a bit ridiculous now aren't we?
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Actually, these documents are years old-- before Project Glass was ever revealed. You should RTFPowerpoint before thinking this is some kind of knee-jerk reaction to Google.
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Not only will they lead from the back, they won't learn from the frontrunners and will fuck it up like everthing else microsoft.
Microsoft, still, has no idea what a "good user experience" should feel like.
Hint: clarity, stability, simple implementation.
M$ has none of those. OneNote is the only microsoft product I vouch for. I don't eve vouch for the windows 7 OS it runs on
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How many months was Xbox Live inactive for? How much personal information did Microsoft make available to malicious parties?
Is Xbox Live mandatory or an optional extra?
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I don't like playing online. Fuck online, I want to play split-screen with my friends. A close friend at EA has told me that split-screen is being phased out of new titles because online is more profitable - it helps kill the 2nd hand game market, which is one of EA's strategic goals.
My bad:
http://www.cracked.com/article_16196_the-7-commandments-all-video-games-should-obey.html
Thou shalt let us play your game with real-life friends.
Violators:
Grand Theft Auto IV, MotorStorm, Shadowrun, etc.
Quick, tell us wha
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pretty certain you can't play online without Gold
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If you count "playing games online" as an extra, then sure.
Oh wait, you think you can play online with silver. Nah, you can't. Not that it's something I care for, but you can't.
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"Loss leader" sounds a lot like "monopoly abuse" to me.
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Being a loss leader doesn't require a monopoly, only lots of money.
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True enough, I suppose. While the two terms aren't exactly synonymous, they do have similarities. In this case, Microsoft is most assuredly a monopoly. Coming out with a "loss leader" may very well be "monopoly abuse". IMO, there is little if any difference. It's remotely possible that if I liked Microsoft, I might view this similarity in a different light. Since I despise Microsoft, I'll choose the light in which I view the matter, thank you.
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Microsoft is not a monopoly and neither is Intel. Both companies enjoy competitors with products at generally lower costs that are perfect substitutes for their products.
A monopoly exists when a customer has NO other reasonable choice or the monopolist is able to completely control their market and their competitors profitability.
I frankly think of Microsoft as a one trick pony whose pony is about to expire, quite the opposite of a monopoly.
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In this case, Microsoft is most assuredly a monopoly.
No, a monopoly isn't a term with which you label a company, it's related to their position in a particular market. Microsoft has a monopoly position in particular market.
Coming out with a "loss leader" may very well be "monopoly abuse".
Not in a market in which they have no position. Many companies use anti-competitive tactics, for example Microsoft was chastized by the DoJ for their use of private APIs in their software giving them a competitive advantage on their platform, Apple has a similar usage of private APIs for their software on iOS that they prevent developers fr
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You may stick with strict interpretations of law. I'm looking at a larger picture, one which the DOJ should be looking at, instead of narrow and strict interpretations.
Microsoft OS's run on more than 90% of consumer computers. More than 90% of school age children for the past 15 years has been exposed to a Microsoft environment. In fact, most "computer science" classes have nothing to do with "science", instead being nothing more than learning how to navigate a Windows-centric business environment.
The mo
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You may stick with strict interpretations of law. I'm looking at a larger picture, one which the DOJ should be looking at, instead of narrow and strict interpretations.
No, it's the basic definition of the word.
Microsoft OS's run on more than 90% of consumer computers. More than 90% of school age children for the past 15 years has been exposed to a Microsoft environment. In fact, most "computer science" classes have nothing to do with "science", instead being nothing more than learning how to navigate a Windows-centric business environment.
So they have a monopoly on desktop/laptop computers, that doesn't give them a monopoly in all other markets they choose to enter, as defined by the term 'monopoly'.
Anytime a corporation has billions of dollars with which to leverage itself into a "new market", you are seeing abuse of monopoly.
Wrong, that's not a monopoly in any way, shape or form, and is clearly not what the word monopoly means.
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Let's suppose that I'm a rich kid. My Daddy owns the town. He owns more than half the real estate, he owns 3/4 of the businesses, he owns the bank. And, he happens to have leveraged all that into becoming the mayor. I have everything going for me.
I graduate from high school and/or college, and decide to go into business. One of my classmates wants to compete against me.
How much competition within the community do you really think there is going to be? My Daddy isn't going to do business with someone o
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Just because you can afford to do a loss leader product doesn't mean you have a monopoly or are abusing a monopoly position. It isn't illegal to have a competitive advantage, in fact virtually every market in exis
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Huh, I didn't know that.
I guess they're kind of in an Apple-type situation: their marketshare isn't fantastic, but they dominate the mindshare in that field. I had always just assumed Xbox was the majority. You know what they say about assuming, though.
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It gets stupider. A huge percentage of households have no video game consoles at all, or an older console like a playstation 2, an original xbox or some other, and a lot of households have more than one. We have three 360's, a ps3 and two wii's. My sons three best friends have one wii between their three households. Guess whose house they spend all day at...
So calculating a real dominant market share analysis is a tad more complicated than doing some simple division.
Sony already learned a lesson on buil
Old Product Roadmap? (Score:1)
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Try again with formatting !
Seems interesting but worth remembering this is on old product roadmap from August 2010 which broadly outlines:
2011 - TV App for Xbox 360
2012 - Pay TV App for Xbox 360
2013 - Xbox 720 & Kinect V2
2014 - Glasses (WiFi / Living Room)
2015 - Glasses (Mobile)
Seems like a useful product for gaming input, potentially 3D display in glasses & maybe augmented reality for say PvP in room rather then on-screen. The mobile glasses concept seems a bit ambitious but it was a 5-yr roadmap
I'
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Try again with formatting !
Seems interesting but worth remembering this is on old product roadmap from August 2010 which broadly outlines: 2011 - TV App for Xbox 360 2012 - Pay TV App for Xbox 360 2013 - Xbox 720 & Kinect V2 2014 - Glasses (WiFi / Living Room) 2015 - Glasses (Mobile)
Seems like a useful product for gaming input, potentially 3D display in glasses & maybe augmented reality for say PvP in room rather then on-screen. The mobile glasses concept seems a bit ambitious but it was a 5-yr roadmap
I'd read this as a head-mounted display, mic & headphones etc .. interesting but not revolutionary ... And may be completely out of date too ????
NOW I KNOW WHY JESUS WEPT! can no-one tell then difference between "then" and "than" any more??
I know I am going to sound like a grammar nazi but for goodness sake this is so simple and fundamental it beggars belief!
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Really dude? Typo or grammar - what do you think?
If Jesus wept over a typo, I'd hate to think what he'd make of the impact of 2000 years worth of compounding transcription errors on the biblical texts.
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Really dude? Typo or grammar - what do you think?
If you're typo'ing e for a or a for e then you must have a wild-ass typing style.
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They're only 2 keys apart on dvorak keyboard.
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Its also about using the proper words so the language doesn't devolve into a bunch of valley-girl speak and text shortcuts.
The front page of my local paper included two perfectly well spelled words that were not accurate in context, both in headlines. Written by an alleged professional writer and reviewed by an alleged professional editor. While I'm quite far from the grammar Nazi, it would be nice to preserve our language. Seeing "candidate hurtles over problems" and stuff like "and walla, its done" is
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Now see, I'd pay extra for that feature. No, not the glasses. I often say that some expensive item would only be worth it if I could fark it.
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Why? It won't laumch for over a year, why give their competitors time to catch up?
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Booya
Except you had absolutely nothing similar (Score:2)
I know that you had tongue in the cheek as you wrote that post but I believe that both you and other might still think that augmented reality games and imagination are somehow comparable... which they really aren't.
Think of reading a good book. You're enjoying a form of art where one talented individual (or group of such) carefully crafted something. Everyone gets the experience just as intended by the artist, but then each individual's personal views, life experience, etc. is combined with the artwork an
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I was tempted to mod this interesting (because it is, although I disagree), but then thought I'd rather reply with my disagreement instead.
If you're talking only the child's own imagination, you're right. However in the real world of imaginary play that the GP was referring to, children play with other children. The "story" is being told by all participants actively, and each can be considered the "artist".
Each child experiences what the others convey from their imagination through their actions; and then
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Is this really the thread for a comment like this to be +5? Seriously, in the 80's I watched an episode of Webster where his grandad convinced him that Westerns were better than Star Wars because they didn't need no stinkin 'special effects'.
(What's funny is that they meant 'visual fx'... 'special effects' are in-camera things like squibs from bulllet hits.... which Westerns did rely on...)
Old argument, not worth spending mod-points on.
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> We played soldiers, cowboys and Indians and any other game.
> OK, instead of a 17 button game console controller, we used a stick and
> instead of Augmented Reality Glasses we used our imagination
Ah. So you're augmented reality didn't have your opponents calling you a "gay noobz" and killing you with nasty 8-button combos.
Lame.
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but games aren't just for kid, actually a lot of games are targeted for >= 15 years old, I really can't imagine some 30 years old playing with stick and a cowboy hat, but they can sure play with a videogame
Stick and cowboy hat, not yet... but I just got back from the playground with my wife and daughter, where I had a great time on the swings for a bit while my daughter played on the slide with her mum. I'd also happily don a cowboy hat and shoot at her with a stick (and get shot by her stick) if that's the game she wants to play.
Best thing about being a dad is that no-one looks at me funny for acting "childish" (not that it stopped me before I was a father, but I did get funny looks).
If you don't go out and
AR tethered to a console (Score:1)
Way to miss the point, again, Microsoft.
I can only assume this is another example of bureaucracy and accountants getting in the way of tech.
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It's not necessarily tethered to a console, just wifi-only in 2014. As they said, they think they'll have the tech to do it 4G/Wifi in 2015.
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You assume correctly. Most of the people doing this stuff are in their 20's with perfect eyesight.
I can tell as a 50 year old father that all the stuff for kids has instructions written in 4 point font in a 1 square inch area, with six inches of white space around it. Also every tag with a product serial number on it is a 2x1" sticker with a number on it in 2 point font.
I could branch off into how we as a nation can no longer perforate either, but thats not critical at this juncture.
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Yeah, it's definitely mockups for where they want to go, not a hard lineup of their projects.
Say what? (Score:2)
>Kinect Glasses is marked as a 2014 project designed to connect to a future Xbox 720 console.
And not tethered to a smartphone or at least a wifi handheld, so you can go *outside* and actually *use* augmented reality?
Way to kill your innovation in the cradle, Microsoft.
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BMO
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Read the 2015 entry-- the wifi model is in 2014, and the 4G model in 2015. I can only assume they think it's going to take a lot of manpower to make AR glasses that have good battery life and cellular connectivity, so they're concentrating on wifi-only at first.
By the way, the powerpoint says nothing about it being exclusively connected to the Xbox "720". It could still be connected to mobile devices; we just don't know yet.
It seems like the full-vision glasses idea might not work, though. They've generally
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Bullshit.
Glasses with HUDs are the first step to contact-lens screens, then embedded retina displays (TM). They're definitely part of the future. They're pretty primitive forms of human augmentation, but I'm sure the consumer would love being able to do what his smartphone does without taking it out of his pocket (Project Glass) or have a full Virtual-Reality display in a pair of spectacles. People started using soft-keyboards, though they were lauded as stupid, and told it would never catch on. However, th
what will the TV content have? work with cards? (Score:2)
what will the TV content have? what will it work with?
Just the IPTV that U-Verse and other systems with the same tech use (still needs there main box)
OTA TV?
cable clear qam?
cable card?
cable card + SDV tuner?
cable card + VOD / PPV?
RVU (right only with directv and needs there main box)
Take a DISH or DIRECTV smart card? (under ground route they don't offer cards for 3rd party boxes)
AllVid (still needs a main box and roll out date unknown)
others??
If it's one thing I know Xbox frat boys love... (Score:2)
Hi, My Name is Microsoft and I'm a proven liar. (Score:2)
Sure it was "leaked" document full of "stuff" for the Xbox.
More likely it was purposely leaked piece of FUD to make their competition (Sony) worry and work on stuff that doesn't matter.
I trust nothing about MS based on MS's history.