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Paul Thurrot Predicts November Debut, $500 Tag For Xbox 720 232

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New submitter inkribbon writes that Microsoft blogger Paul Thurrott has now predicted that Microsoft's Xbox 720 console will actually hit the market this November. Thurrott offers a mix of what he considers cold, known facts and "clearly identified conjecture" about the upcoming device. Important to users is this confidently offered claim about the price: "Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console: a standalone version for $499 and a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month."
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Paul Thurrot Predicts November Debut, $500 Tag For Xbox 720

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  • XBox Infinity (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gameboyhippo (827141) on Friday April 26, 2013 @09:57AM (#43556255) Journal

    I see what Microsoft did there. Instead of doubling 360 to 720, they've doubled o to oo. When put together, it looks like infinity.

    • by TWiTfan (2887093)

      And doubled the cost of Live, apparently.

      • Re:XBox Infinity (Score:4, Insightful)

        by tgd (2822) on Friday April 26, 2013 @10:36AM (#43556901)

        And doubled the cost of Live, apparently.

        Only for the subsidized price. You can buy a 360 the same way already -- $99 instead of $299. You pay $10 more a month for Live, so you're basically paying $40 to finance it for two years.

  • I hope not. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 26, 2013 @09:57AM (#43556263)

    $120 for a year of xbox live? 2X price increase for what, more DRM? Really?

    • by tepples (727027) <<tepples> <at> <gmail.com>> on Friday April 26, 2013 @10:03AM (#43556325) Homepage Journal
      It's the same reason that a smartphone costs $99 with a contract or $499 without: part of the price of service covers the subsidizes the hardware.
      • by h4rr4r (612664)

        So which console is T-mobile?
        I want to buy the device outright and pay as little for service as possible. So far the PS no price for network service seems OK.

        • by tepples (727027)

          So which console is T-mobile?

          PC, be it on a desk or behind the TV.

          • This, exactly.

            Even though playing pub servers means putting up with the occasional aim/wall/whatever hack-bot and/or juvenile chatter, overall they still play pretty well, even for the uber-old stuff like Quake 3.

            (I never ever did pay-to-play for PC/console gaming in my life, so I couldn't tell you what Live or etc have in that aspect; that said, I assume that at least the bots are tamped down to a minimum, yes?)

      • by Golddess (1361003)
        So the question now is, what will xbox live cost those that buy the $500 version? If it is the same $40-$60 that it costs today, then for those who buy the $300 version, will their xbox live cost drop after 2 years? If so, then for anyone who was planning on getting xbox live anyway, it'd make sense to go with the $300 version, assuming everything else about the versions is equal.

        $500 + ($40 * 2) = $580
        $300 + ($10 * 24) = $540
    • Re:I hope not. (Score:4, Informative)

      by ThinkWeak (958195) on Friday April 26, 2013 @10:09AM (#43556449)
      Here's the thing, they haven't released any details on the $299 version. If it is the exact same machine as the $499 version, you would be better off to buy it and get locked into the 2 years of Xbox Live at $10 per month. Why? simple math:

      $499 + 2 * $55 per year for Xbox Live = $609 2 year cost of ownership
      vs
      $299 + 2 * $120 per year for Xbox Live = $539 2 year cost of ownership

      I imagine the discounted one won't come with a Hard Drive, or a Kinect Sensor, or controller or something else to offset it. But all things being equal... it's a cheaper route to go.
      • by h4rr4r (612664)

        Assuming they live 3 years though, you now tied, and at 4 years paying up front pays off.

        Again I doubt the early units will last that long, based on what we saw with early 360s.

        • After the initial two year contract, couldn't I just pay for a yearly XBL subscription?
      • by Synerg1y (2169962)

        Ya, they really didn't think this one through did they? You're right though they have plenty of room to dumb it down and remove features, but of course I'd rather not have to worry about that and just decide it based on membership fees, no ands. Besides, like 70% of the xbox experience is on xbox live, so it's not like people are not going to get it.

      • There may even be an attempt to to make this more appealing by bumping the price of Live, it's been static for a while and no doubt with all the "wonderful new features" (always online hell) they'll be looking to charge more. Make the console look cheap while getting you used to paying $10 a month. They're doing you a favour! They may struggle to sell this to existing xbox customers so I predict a new level, Xbox live Platinum!
      • by CCarrot (1562079)

        Here's the thing, they haven't released any details on the $299 version. If it is the exact same machine as the $499 version, you would be better off to buy it and get locked into the 2 years of Xbox Live at $10 per month. Why? simple math:

        $499 + 2 * $55 per year for Xbox Live = $609 2 year cost of ownership

        vs

        $299 + 2 * $120 per year for Xbox Live = $539 2 year cost of ownership

        I imagine the discounted one won't come with a Hard Drive, or a Kinect Sensor, or controller or something else to offset it. But all things being equal... it's a cheaper route to go.

        You forgot option 3:

        $499 + 2 * $0 (i.e., no XBox Live subscription) = $499 2-year cost of ownership.

        I have never had a so-called 'gold' subscription, and haven't felt the least desire to get one. Any DLC I am interested in is still available for purchase without having to pay some sort of monthly M$ tax, and I simply have no hint of a wisp of a desire to game with people who aren't actually in the room with me on a second (or third or fourth) controller...FTF IRL always trumps PVP, in my opinion.

      • by citizenr (871508)

        Why would they remove Kinect when Kinect will make them money directly. They have a patent for identifying users in the room and selling this information, it will be on 24/7.

    • by lorenlal (164133)

      12 Month membership cards can be bought for $45 (maybe less, but that seems like a reasonable price).
      To play any games with anyone else, you need a gold membership, so you're getting one.
      So:
      $299 + $240 = $539 at the two year mark.
      $499 + $90 = $589 at the two year mark.

      From that point on, you're paying $45 a month regardless. So, there is a point to it if you're going to have the membership anyway. If you can get your 12 month membership for under $20, then you can get ahead.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by h4rr4r (612664)

        Or you could buy a console that does not charge you a monthly fee. Such mythical devices actually exist!

        They even let you watch netflix without paying the OEM of the console.

    • by goombah99 (560566) on Friday April 26, 2013 @10:17AM (#43556575)

      MIcrosoft is in a great position to deal a death blow to Sony and Nintendo in the next generation console race. They have a leading system now. The demand for set-top boxes is poised to explode. And the winer gets to be position themselves as a benevolent but profitable internet TV gate keeper in a durable way. So why screw this up with a large price hurdle. This is reminds me of the overpricing mistake sony made with the blue ray system. Makes Nintendo Wii look a lot more attractive, and gives Roku and AppleTv some breathing room.

      • So why screw this up with a large price hurdle.

        ... but this is Microsoft.

        • by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 26, 2013 @10:48AM (#43557063)

          So they will definitely put themselves on death row by confirming the "always-on" rumor. It's been going on so long and is such a poisonous issue, I can't believe they wouldn't have denied it by now if it weren't true.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by ilguido (1704434)

        They have a leading system now.

        Third out of three is "having a leading system" now? At least original Xbox was second.

  • by i kan reed (749298) on Friday April 26, 2013 @09:59AM (#43556291) Homepage Journal

    Microsoft managed to advertise themselves out of my interest in any of their console offerings. I actually bought the first two xboxes, reliably purchased xbox live and games for the 360, but then after their choices to put more and more ads on EVERYTHING, I realized just how stupid I was being, and cut every last entertainment dollar from going to MS. I was done.

    If you don't want to be exploited both coming and going, don't buy an xbox anything.

    • I'll say the same thing I've been saying: "Big console" is done. EA's failure proves it. The growth spot of gaming is indie and mobile. AAA blockbusters will move back to the PC. Which isn't actually great news for Microsoft now that Valve has defected. Microsoft's new XBox means exactly one thing: more massive losses to pile on top of the old massive losses, still far from recouped.

      • by TWiTfan (2887093)

        Predicting the end of console gaming has become almost as cliche as predicting the end of PC gaming.

        • by Clsid (564627)

          Yeah no kidding. Back in my days there were two competing systems and we now have three successful systems and people are still saying they will fail.

    • by fermion (181285)
      This happened to me with two 'freeium' games. I happened to like the model. I would buy stuff to decorate so as to support the developers. But then ads started appearing everywhere. I can understand that for people who did not buy stuff the ads would be necessary. But for users who were contributing? Still having ads? It was insane.

      I know in some ways it is like cable. You pay for the cable, but still have ads. But then that is why I think that you might as well pay for Hulu and watch when you wan

      • by Clsid (564627)

        it's sad to live life blocking everything without even trying them. The PS3 is good, the Xbox360 is good, and even the Wii U is very neat. No matter what you get I think you will have a lot of fun. So just drop those crazy morals and embrace ALL, or as much as you can afford for that matter.

    • by prelelat (201821) on Friday April 26, 2013 @10:26AM (#43556743)

      For me it wasn't that they added ads to it. It was that they charged me to use the thing online with services that I sometimes paid for, for example I have to have gold to use netflix on the xbox. Then after they made me pay to use services they didn't host themselves they went along and added ads as if to say "ok baby now just bend over over here and everyone on my team is going to have a turn." They are royally screwing with people constantly. They had better have some damn good exclusives if they are going to compete in the next generation. With PS guaranteeing no always on DRM(I'm not saying Microsoft will but they sure haven't done much to say that they aren't) and no subscription services I think it will put people over the edge.

      Wish I never bought my 360.

    • by Type44Q (1233630)

      If you don't want to be exploited both coming and going, don't buy an xbox anything.

      And if you want to make absolutely certain that you never hand Microsoft another penny ever again, you need to avoid more than a few Android devices as well. :(

      • I'm not actually radically anti-microsoft. They can continue to make office software and IDEs, which they're actually pretty good at.

    • Either I'm really good at tuning out the ads or you're just really bad at it. While my preferred gaming platform is PC, I still use my PS3 and 360 and don't feel they're overburdened with ads any more than Steam or the likes. If anything it seems worse on PC.
      • People who think they tune out ads are actually more influenced by them in their purchasing choices. They don't recognize the familiarity effect. I wish I could remember the marketing terminology for that so I could find some research to substantiate my claim. Working from memory here. Sorry.

        • by gstoddart (321705)

          People who think they tune out ads are actually more influenced by them in their purchasing choices. They don't recognize the familiarity effect.

          Well, purely anecdotal, but I find I'm more likely to not buy from companies who push their ads in my face.

          Companies who push advertisements into my video games get a special brand of ire -- so EA are pretty high on my hit list, and Microsoft if they're going to make the next XBox require an internet connection.

        • People who think they tune out ads are actually more influenced by them in their purchasing choices. They don't recognize the familiarity effect. I wish I could remember the marketing terminology for that so I could find some research to substantiate my claim. Working from memory here. Sorry.

          I don't tune out ads, I just skip them. I DVR practically everything I watch now and skip the commercials when watching. If a show is just starting, I will walk away and do something else for 20 minutes before watching it using the DVR just to avoid commercials.

          As for influence, I have yet to see an advertisement that influenced me to do something or buy something. At best, they make me aware of something new. At worst, they barely stop short of outright lying to their potential customers. The most ann

      • Either I'm really good at tuning out the ads or you're just really bad at it. While my preferred gaming platform is PC, I still use my PS3 and 360 and don't feel they're overburdened with ads any more than Steam or the likes. If anything it seems worse on PC.

        Steam's ads only appear when you visit the Store page or exit a game for the first time after starting Steam. The exit game ads can be disabled in Steam's settings. Incidentally, these ads are limited to new games, recently updated games, and sale items.

        PS3's ads are little scrolling text messages in the upper-right corner of the system's main menu.Incidentally, these ads are limited to new games, recently updated games, sale items, and PSPlus price reductions.

        The Xbox 360's ads are a set of 6 or so ads t

  • $499 for a console? (Score:5, Informative)

    by alen (225700) on Friday April 26, 2013 @10:05AM (#43556355)

    i guess its back to retro PC strategy gaming for me
    $499 i can buy another ipad and there some awesome games on iOS now

    i was going to buy a new xbox to replace my old one, dump my PS3 which is only for blu ray and make my TV area look less cluttered. at $499 i'll just buy a blu ray player and dump the consoles

  • And to be honest (Score:4, Interesting)

    by xQuarkDS9x (646166) on Friday April 26, 2013 @10:05AM (#43556363)

    If what I've heard and read online is true in that the 720 will not allow you to lend physical game discs to friends and family to play as well as not allowing used games to be bought and played from stores such as EB Games/Gamestop all because they want to tie down physical game discs to the first console machine its played on with some DRM garbage then I hope enough people realize to say "Screw you Microsoft" and switch to the PS4 instead which is supposed to not have DRM lockdown garbage.

    • I hope enough people [reject Xbox and] switch to the PS4 instead which is supposed to not have DRM lockdown garbage.

      Will the PS4 let enthusiasts develop and self-publish games even if they happen not to live in the Austin, Boston, or Seattle area? Will it at least let licensed game developers expose a rich modding API to enthusiasts? If not, it's still "DRM lockdown garbage".

  • Always Connected (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 26, 2013 @10:11AM (#43556485)

    This item is just bizarre:
    >Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be Internet-connected to use. This is the source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian >as many seem to believe.

    If it must be connected to play local games, it's exactly as draconian as many believe. This would be a deal-breaker for me. When my Internet is down, I tend to play video games.

    • Yeah, that's what I was scrolling down to find, someone else who RTFA. With the problems XBOX live has off and on on the weekends, I'd be pissed if I couldn't play, because the servers were down on a Saturday.

    • I doubt it will have to be connected to play anything offline. Hell some guy at MS just got fired for basically telling people they were garbage if they didnt have broadband internet that would enable their console to be always on. From what is out there it seems like there were 2 sides, one fighting for always on, one opposed. Looks like side that wanted always on lost, and dude took it out on social media, then was promptly fired. Remember these are SPECULATIONS by "Microsoft blogger Paul Thurrot" whoever
  • Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be Internet-connected to use. This is the source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

    If this is true, I won't be buying it.

  • Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be Internet-connected to use. This is the source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

    MS, the only people who don't think an always on Internet connection isn't Draconian works for you or game publishing companies. Most of your consumers think it's very Draconian.

    • If the next XBox must be always connected to the Internet, then it must not be purchased by me.

      Fuck that noise. Consoles are supposed to be something I can fire up and play on quickly. If I have to screw around with making sure that Time Warner isn't sucking ass before it will let me at the content I've already purchased and have locally, then this is just as worthless as the DRM-riddled bullshit that EA puts out and gets burned by every single time.

  • by TWiTfan (2887093) on Friday April 26, 2013 @10:15AM (#43556547)

    So I get to pay $10 a month for the privilege of being able to pay Netflix $8 a month to watch some movies on my Xbox? No sale, chick.

    • If you're purchasing an Xbox solely as a Netflix streaming device, you're already making a huge mistake. You can buy a Roku for much cheaper.
  • H4rr4r says October and the price will be $1.

    Since the judging is based on nearest to the price without going over, the odds favor him by a wide margin.

  • by pellik (193063) on Friday April 26, 2013 @10:32AM (#43556843)
    It's my hope that the over the top DRM on consoles will push ever more people back to PC gaming. Sure there is DRM on PCs, but cracked versions inevitably turn up. http://games.slashdot.org/story/13/04/26/1318214/paul-thurrot-predicts-november-debut-500-tag-for-xbox-720#With [slashdot.org] consoles making a crack isn't so easy.
  • So... $500 for the console, plus an optional $40 for financing plus two years LIVE Gold membership (normally priced at $120). I can see that the latter would be the obvious choice for anyone interested in the gold membership.

  • Sorry, I couldn't help it. I'm getting the same feeling as the PS3 launch. I sense the hype that MSFT is trying to build but deep inside it's just not for me. I'm more excited by the PS4.

  • Only 720p? My phone has 720p, I would expect at least 1080p.

  • by caywen (942955) on Friday April 26, 2013 @12:52PM (#43559171)

    My prediction is that the 720 will run Windows 8 metro apps. It makes sense for MS in all respects: it increases the audience, drawing developers. It gives Xbox a bigger software library out of the gate. It bolsters consumer confidence in metro.

    If they can map Kinect input to what would normally be touchscreen gestures, it would effectively become a living room PC; perfect as Microsoft's stealth play into being just that.

    If they can complete the picture by bringing their pretty weak Xbox Music and Video offerings, they might have both a strategic and sales win through 2014.

    That is, if they can don't do boneheaded things like always-on DRM or releasing hardware that can fry an egg and gives you a double red ring of death.

    • My prediction is that the 720 will run Windows 8 metro apps. It makes sense for MS in all respects: it increases the audience, drawing developers. It gives Xbox a bigger software library out of the gate. It bolsters consumer confidence in metro.

      If they can map Kinect input to what would normally be touchscreen gestures, it would effectively become a living room PC; perfect as Microsoft's stealth play into being just that.

      If they can complete the picture by bringing their pretty weak Xbox Music and Video offerings, they might have both a strategic and sales win through 2014.

      That is, if they can don't do boneheaded things like always-on DRM or releasing hardware that can fry an egg and gives you a double red ring of death.

      There is one problem with this. Some developers might not like having their $60 games compete with $1.99 ones.

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