Microsoft Unveils Xbox One 782
Today at a press conference leading up to E3, Microsoft unveiled its next-gen games/entertainment console, the Xbox One. Their stated goal for the Xbox One is to have a single device provide "all of your entertainment." One of the big changes is increased support for voice and and gesture input. You can turn the console on by voice, and it will recognize you and automatically login. Swiping to the side with your hand will browse through menu pages, and saying "Watch TV" will bring up the TV app very quickly. The same with music, internet, and movies. The new console also supports multitasking — for example, while watching a movie, you can bring up your web browser in a side panel and surf the web at the same time. There is also a built-in TV listings app that responds to channel names — saying "Watch CBS" will switch to CBS without giving it an actual channel number. By this point, you're probably asking: does it play games? Yes. Hardware specs: 8-core CPU/GPU, 8GB RAM, a Blu-ray drive, a 500GB HDD, USB 3.0, and Wi-fi Direct. (They didn't provide the CPU frequency, instead saying it had 5 billion transistors.) The Kinect sensor got an upgrade: 2Gbps of data capture has finer skeletal visibility, can detect minor orientation changes in hands and fingers, and can even calculate your balance and weight distribution. The new controller looks slightly bigger, and is designed to play well with Kinect. They've also updated Smartglass, the remote control software that runs on mobile devices, but they didn't explain much about it. The new Xbox Live will have 300,000 servers powering it, up from 15,000 this year — though, of course, no details were provided about server specs. The console will have native game capture and editing tools — essentially, a game DVR. Saved games will be stored in the cloud, and they have new matchmaking capabilities that operate in the background. Update: 05/21 17:50 GMT by S : Halo is getting its own live-action TV show, for some reason. They'll be collaborating with Steven Spielberg. Microsoft is also partnering with the NFL for live broadcasts and interactive experiences, such as split-screen Skype chats and fantasy league updates. Xbox One will be out "later this year." No price information. it will not be backward-compatible with Xbox 360 games.
I look forward to hearing about why this will fail (Score:4, Funny)
Please Slashdot, do your worst :)
Re:I look forward to hearing about why this will f (Score:4, Interesting)
Not backwards compatible with Xbox 360 games?
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Maybe not a problem for the devs.
Big problem for all the customers who are pissed they have to buy a new game CD.
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Yeah, I agree. Porting the game might not be much of an issue but like you mentioned the consumer will have to re-purchase the game, which will be an issue for most.
The consumers (aka, the mindless bleating masses) may repurchase all of their games, but the customers, the ones who are able to make intelligent decisions instead of just blindly accepting everything their corporate overlords throw at them, would just hang on to their 360 consoles in order to play their 360 games, and only purchase new titles for this new system, if they decide they want it.
Any word yet on if Microsoft is still going ahead with the plan to tie each purchased game to a single console, preve
Re:I look forward to hearing about why this will f (Score:4, Insightful)
Could be compatible with games for the xbox 1... I mean original xbox... Ugh. This is going to be a problem isn't it?
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Could be compatible with games for the xbox 1... I mean original xbox... Ugh. This is going to be a problem isn't it?
Though I doubt it's likely to be a major problem in the long term, I do agree that it's a somewhat strange and confusing name, especially as the "PSOne" was a cost-reduced version of the original PlayStation.
When I scanned the headline, I briefly wondered whether this "XBox One" referred to a cost-reduced version of the existing console rather than the new model (though if I'd thought about it I'd have remembered that the current "XBox" isn't the first generation anyway, and MS aren't remotely likely to r
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Re:I look forward to hearing about why this will f (Score:5, Informative)
If you have an XBox 360, why go with something 359 releases out of date?
Actually they use 8.491853096 bits to store the version number, so "One" is overflowese for "361".
(3 quatloos for whoever spots the problem with that first.)
Re:I look forward to hearing about why this will f (Score:4, Insightful)
Always on, always listening.
"Do not want" features. (Score:3, Informative)
How about product-induced ADD?
I don't want to have a fucking Skype session while I watch football, I want to watch football when I want to watch football. I don't want to give up valuable real estate to a fucking web browser when I'm watching a movie, I want to concentrate on the movie.
In fact, I would contend that the director did a shitty job of making the movie if you can only half-way pay attention for a few minutes while cocking about on the Internet and not miss something.
I don't want my saved games
Re:"Do not want" features. (Score:4, Funny)
I don't want to have a fucking Skype session while I watch football, I want to watch football when I want to watch football.
You sound old.
Re:I look forward to hearing about why this will f (Score:5, Informative)
Don't want an overpriced box that does everything. I want a game console that plays games and doesn't need the internet to "check in" with the home office...
Re:I look forward to hearing about why this will f (Score:5, Insightful)
Easy, they will sell it at below cost, like console manufacturers always do at first. Both Sony and Microsoft lost money on every console they ever released until well into their lifecycles.
That is one reason why Microsoft encrypted the controller protocol on the 360. They claw back money on expensive accessories and didn't want any unlicensed hardware on the market.
Re:I look forward to hearing about why this will f (Score:4, Insightful)
Do they have deals with ATT UVerse, Cox/Charter/You Name it Cable channels, Dish/Direct TV Satellite companies to hook into their systems? That would actually be some coup if they were to be able to integrate into all these systems...will it also act as a DVR? I mean, if they want to be a 1 box fits all, that would be one big requirement I'd guess.
Sure it can play games....but how well does it do the other stuff ?
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I'm curious how this thing will 'tune' in TV? Do they have deals with ATT UVerse, Cox/Charter/You Name it Cable channels, Dish/Direct TV Satellite companies to hook into their systems?
US cable companies are required to support the CableCard standard, so including that would cover all of them. They might still need to make individual deals with Uverse and the satellite providers, assuming they care about them. (I haven't looked up the stats, but I get the impression that mini-dish satellite TV isn't as pop
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Unless it has a couple of Cablecard slots on back, I don't see how that's going to work either. If it's going to be some kludgey IR blaster setup, then forget it. And my cableco's cable boxes don't have any other interface that I'm aware of.
Re: I look forward to hearing about why this will (Score:3)
IBM got righteously busted for tying in the 70's. I can't think of any reason why Microsoft should escape similar proceedings today.
Re: I look forward to hearing about why this will (Score:5, Insightful)
The courts and politicians were not nearly as corrupt in the 70s as they are today. You can read every case on US-DOJ regarding Microsoft being found guilty of predatory monopolistic practices, and see what their punishments (or lack thereof) were.
This is in addition to numerous states that have found them guilty of predatory monopolistic practices, and receiving no punishment.
Re: I look forward to hearing about why this will (Score:4, Informative)
As stated, go read the punishments. In most cases, Microsoft had to provide their proprietary software for X number of years for free. It was not a cash payment, and never changed the economic landscape for competition (which is the whole point of punishing predatory monopolies). In fact, when MS has to provide "free for X years" products, it further entrenches the monopoly.
They paid Novell peanuts for the damage they did to "Office" products, and the same with other competition they removed by predatory practices (there are exceptions in private law suits, but those are not what I mentioned). The exception for payment damages is the EU, but we are not talking about the EU.
Sony Losing Money on Every Console: False (Score:3, Informative)
The idea that Sony lost money on every console ever made is false [actsofgord.com]. After all, Sony is a hardware company.
The PS3 may have lost money on initial units sold. The PS1 and PS2 did not.
Re:I look forward to hearing about why this will f (Score:5, Interesting)
Xbox customers are extremely loyal, to the point of sycophancy. Of all the Xbox owners I know, zero of them have just bought one Xbox 360. After they got RROD'd, they ALL went out and bought another at full price. One of my friends is now on his 13th one.
Plus there are legions of people who buy the special edition Xbox 360's, and just toss their old working one in a closet and forget about it or repurpose it for another room.
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Re:I look forward to hearing about why this will f (Score:5, Insightful)
Xbox customers are extremely loyal, to the point of sycophancy.
Not this one. I've been an Xbox owner since the Xbox 1. But I've grown tired of having to pay $50/year for basic stuff like using the Netflix and Hulu apps. I'm also sick of the ad-heavy new home UI, the shitty new Netflix UI, and the fact that MS has spent years dropping all their best first-party developers.
I was vastly underwhelmed by today's unveiling (seriously, a Halo TV show, wtf?!?!?). The fact that the didn't even address the "always on" requirement for single-player titles rumors tells me all I need to know. Combine that with a bunch of "cloud" shit, no interesting exclusives, a new cable interface that probably won't even work with my cable system, and hardware that's no better than the PS4--and it all adds up to a great big cup of who-gives-a-fuck.
This Xbox fanboy is probably going PS4 this time around. At least it will save me $50 a year.
Re:I look forward to hearing about why this will f (Score:4, Funny)
I've been an Xbox owner since the Xbox 1.
[Emphasis mine]
Oh this generation is going to be fun.
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And do tell, exactly how are you going to play offline when every developer is going to claim that their game has to offload some of its processing to the "cloud" now (you know, the way EA did [consumerist.com] with SimCity)?
Maybe if you pray hard enough, Jesus will miracle your game to work.
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Then your friend is either likes throwing away money, knows nothing about warranties, or is doing modding that invalidates his warranty (which could also be to blame for his HW failures).
If memory serves... each 360 comes with a year hardware warranty... and if a unit dies and it's replaced under warranty... the replacement gets a fresh 1 year warranty.
Given the 360 hit the US 7 years, 6 month
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I also bought a second one after the first one RROD'd.
It's not about being "extremely loyal" as you put it, it's about being pragmatic:
- I still want to play games on a console, so I'd have to either fix it or buy a new one
- Fixing the old Xbox would cost about as much as a new one, and the new one is simply better (quieter, extra controller, lower energy, wifi, larger HD, etc)
- I have a game library which I'd like to be able to replay
- I can use my old controller
Honestly I've always preferred the Playstati
Re:I look forward to hearing about why this will f (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I look forward to hearing about why this will f (Score:5, Interesting)
Nah. This thing will come out for $300-$400 and will be drastically underpowered compared to even a moderate range gaming PC, just like the PS4
Re:I look forward to hearing about why this will f (Score:5, Funny)
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This article confirms [engadget.com] that both the CPU and GPU are based on AMD designs. Which means it will be an "8-core" CPU the same way the Bulldozer is 8-core: technically true if you only care about integer instructions, but it's more accurate to say there are four modules than eight cores.
Reading between the lines, it sounds like the Xbox One SoC is basically a customized, jumbo-sized version of AMD's Trinity APU.
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technically true if you only care about integer instructions
Hmm, what else would you care about when you have a powerful dedicated streaming FP unit in the same address space (i.e., easier data exchange and low data exchange latency)?
Just keep telling yourself you understand CPU arch (Score:5, Informative)
Bulldozer module is NOTHING like hyperthreading.
Hyperthreading duplicates/shares key registers, cache entries and TLBs in order to execute instructions from TWO THREADS on the same processor core. The EXECUTE and DECODE are typically much wider to allow two threads to fully-utilize all the execution resources of a single core. Software must be written specifically to take advantage of this feature (separate threads for FPU and ALU ops, and go easy on the thread locking), or you'll see zero, or possibly NEGATIVE improvement. Best-case scaling throughput (Nehalem) is 20-30%.
Bulldozer modules are two COMPLETELY INDEPENDENTLY OPERATING cores that share decoders and an FPU unit. The decoders are tasked depending on how many cores in the module are loaded, and the FPUs just have a shared reservation station available to both processors (assumes that most loads are integer-heavy). Neither processor can execute instructions from another thread, and the best-case scaling is much higher than Hyperthreading (typically 70-80%).
Also, Bullozer will be losing one of it's major disadvantages when Steamroller launches: the decoders will be 4-wide for each module, and run independently, which is expected to allow scaling to 90-95% in integer-heavy loads.
As you can see, there is NOTHING in common between the two designs. The Bulldozer approach reduces the size of the core in favor of putting more cores on a die. The Intel Hyperthreading approach is to make a much wider core, and get more efficient use of those execution units. The only thing they have in common is that they both can theoretically improve multithreaded performance.
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They do say that Win8 Metro apps will be trivially portable. I can't help but wonder if that'll include games. For a lot of indie stuff, this would be quite sufficient.
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This deserves an upvote.
Consoles are great not because they have good specs (they mostly have shitty ones). They are great because they present developers with a fixed hardware target for a decade or so. Games development on consoles is not too dissimilar from Demo scene, just that all the little tips and tricks get applied to all those games.
Give me a fixed target and I'll optimise the hell out of it. With results.
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Not sure what you mean about Blu-ray being obsolete
He believes that everyone has a fast internet connection, I suppose. He's forgotten that even people London (e.g. me) have to suffer on a 4mbps DSL connection due to a mix of non upgraded exchanges and very strict planning rules blocking visible RCU boxes.
Looks like a cross between (Score:5, Informative)
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Those goofy vent things on the top will be a dusty wreck in about a month.
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where da 8 track go??
Where are the games? (Score:3, Insightful)
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Yes, but Sony has the most patents on the technology. Sure, they must be licensed under FRAND rules, but Sony still gets paid.
Just being part of the consortium doesn't get you a cut, just the ability to implement BluRay tech and pay the FRAND governed fees.
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I know I prefer it. Nothing screws up good sex like a second (or more) person.
I do like how you associated not being interested in competing with twitchy 13 year olds with nothing better to do all day with being anti-social. Like being "social" is interacting with someone over the internet. I think you really need to get outside more and be "social" with people and not a disembodied voice over a bluetooth headset.
[John]
Offline multiplayer (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm firmly in the single-player, offline-only game-play camp
So what you're saying is that you're prefer masturbation, over getting involved with other people
There's the offline single-player camp. There's the online multiplayer camp. Do we already forget the offline multiplayer camp? I thought that was console games' one big advantage over PC games.
Depends, but will probably get it (Score:2)
I'm liking casual gaming more and more, and enjoying the computer-upgrade-cycle less and less. So I've increased the amount of console gaming a bit over the last few years.
Personally, I had more fun with my XBox than the PS3. Part of it is I mostly like the XBox 360 controller more.
So unless it's an utter failure, I'll probably get it.
*mostly = I like the shape, but I tend to slightly disconnect the battery pack when I'm using a wireless one from time to time.
Re:Depends, but will probably get it (Score:5, Insightful)
I will consider it when I can play netflix on it without any sort of subscription.
Re:Depends, but will probably get it (Score:5, Informative)
No, why?
Netflix has no advertising. I play it on my PS3 with no subscription to any sony product and there are no ads.
Re:Depends, but will probably get it (Score:5, Informative)
So you want Adds in the middle of your shows?
He means the Xbox Live Gold subscription, not the Netflix one. Unlike every other device on the market, Xbox requires you to pay them $50/year just to access the Netflix app (on top of what you pay Netflix)
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I play Netflix through my 360 and I wasn't even aware that the Live Gold subscription was required...that's really screwed up when you figure all Microsoft is doing is providing the initial reference URL for the hookup. But you know what? It doesn't matter now because I just got a RROD. Time to can-x the Xbox Live, I guess.
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I already have a PS3 and if this sort of BS continues I might get a PS4.
For the other stuff I use a HTPC since hulu blocks non PC devices from their free site.
What? What happened to 359? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:What? What happened to 359? (Score:4, Insightful)
What the hell is wrong with their numbering conventions? They went from Xbox 360 to Xbox 1? Are they starting all over again from version 1?
No, they just switched to a mod 360 versioning system.
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XP was for "experience". 360 was because the PS3 was due and Microsoft didn't want to release a product numbered one lower.
Rather than one it seems like zero might have been a better choice. I half expected them to go with 8 and a Metro style dashboard.
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Xbox One? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Xbox One? (Score:5, Funny)
Brace yourself for the awesome as I go to every gamestop to buy every first generation XBox for $40 a pop. Once the new console is released, I'll sell them on EBay as "XBox 1, slightly used, only $200".
eBay will soon require a picture for all items (Score:5, Informative)
Once the new console is released, I'll sell them on EBay as "XBox 1, slightly used, only $200".
That won't work. As of this July, eBay requires all listings of used goods to come with a photo of the item taken by the buyer, and this photo must be at least 500 pixels long on the longer side. You won't be able to post a listing without a photo, and stock photos qualify only for brand-new items and for services. Sellers who don't already own a suitable camera can always buy one on eBay.
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And for God's sake put on some clothes!
Wait for it.... (Score:5, Funny)
And it comes with Windows 8 (crickets...)
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Re:Wait for it.... (Score:5, Funny)
I actually do like Windows 8.
A lot less eye candy
It is perfectly clear to me that either you have not used Windows 7, or you have not used Windows 8.
Cable integration? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Cable integration? (Score:5, Interesting)
If each household with a subscription buys $150 worth of Comcast stock every month for the next three years we could own them and fire them,
XBMC (Score:5, Interesting)
So basically all the features I have been using for the last 3 years on XBMC + Steam, except for Voice and motion input(which i think are silly and I don't want).
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Re:XBMC (Score:5, Funny)
Not only silly FUCKING annoying. The dogs tail sets of the Kinect all the time and worse when I was playing Skyrim **FUCKING DIALOGUE** activated commands in the game.
All I want from Kinect is a Gesis style visualizer for music with interaction.
Saw this little idea on another site (wish I could take credit for it, but meh). Sony creates new ad campaign. Ad starts out with "XBox, Off!"
Troll level - Over 9000!!
hehehe
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So, 3.1?
Microsoft's attempt at a do-everything box (Score:5, Insightful)
Looks like the Xbox One is a home-entertainment center for which gaming is mostly an afterthought.
That's not necessarily a bad thing (hardcore gamers aren't nearly as important of a demographic as they think), but a lack of focus could be a real problem. We already have general-purpose machines that are versatile enough to do what we want them to. Microsoft needs to make the case why this is better than a laptop or a tablet or a smartphone – especially as it is certain to be loaded down with DRM.
Re:Microsoft's attempt at a do-everything box (Score:4, Interesting)
I wonder what all the TV stuff is getting replaced with in countries that aren't the US.
Re:Microsoft's attempt at a do-everything box (Score:4, Funny)
There are countries that aren't the US?
Re:Microsoft's attempt at a do-everything box (Score:5, Informative)
Don't even get me started on using a PC/laptop to output to a TV. I've tried to explain a simple "PC video > HDTV, PC audio > sound system" setup to people and been flatly told to shut up and just make it work.
It's no more difficult to hook up a modern PC to a HDTV than it is to hook up any other device. Your description above implies they are using a separate sound system (not the TV's speakers) so it would go something like this:
And if they don't care about surround sound, then all you have to do is wire the PC straight to the TV via HDMI. How much simpler than this can it get? If someone can't figure that out, then they won't be able to figure out how to connect any modern audiovisual device, including a game console.
If someone is too stupid to figure out how to set up their PC to play Netflix, they can always buy a Roku box. It'll be significantly cheaper than the Xbox One and better suited to that particular purpose.
Always on internet? (Score:4, Interesting)
So far I've not seen anything about the always-on requirement for the internet connection.
That feature is make or break for me, because if it *needs* an internet connection to be always enabled, I can tell you now I won't buy this -- they had their chance, and they put ads into both my home screen and my games.
Did anyone who actually watched the event see anything about this? I've checked several articles so far, and none of them have mentioned that part.
Re:Always on internet? (Score:4, Informative)
So far I've not seen anything about the always-on requirement for the internet connection.
If games ONLY save to the cloud, then that IS the always-on internet requirement. Otherwise you have to start a new game every time you put the disc in, and you can't save your progress.
Re:Always on internet? (Score:4)
Well, they said save game data will be stored on the cloud. That right there would be the needed internet connection... and that alone will prevent me from buying one. Period.
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Well, then if game saves will go to the cloud and require an internet connection, I most definitely will NOT be buying a new XBox.
I might buy another Xbox 360 as a spare for my current one and to keep playing the games I do. But if I can't run this thing purely as a game console with no internet connection, then I have no interest in it.
A requirement for an internet connection doesn't benefit me personally, just Microsoft, the publishers, and the advertisers. And that's not my problem.
Re:Always on internet? (Score:4, Informative)
Well, they said save game data will be stored on the cloud. That right there would be the needed internet connection... and that alone will prevent me from buying one. Period.
Ability does not mean requirement. Many steam games allow you to save to the cloud, but still allow for local saving of games additionally.
Though, I honestly expect that they are pushing to make it a requirement.. and yes, it will be a deal-breaker for me.
Honestly, right now I don't even have home internet access aside from limited mobile tethering. I canceled in anticipation of moving (which got unexpectedly delayed) a month ago and because ComCast (only 1 of 2 carriers available to me in a city of population density of over 2,000/sq.mile) was being ridiculous.
I rarely play on my 360, but if my cable TV and internet was out, playing single-player console video games would be among the things I might I might want to do during the outage.
I guess that means Microsoft will just encourage me to read more rather than buy their console. Not so bad I suppose.
Re:Always on internet? (Score:5, Informative)
So far I've not seen anything about the always-on requirement for the internet connection.
that is because, shock amazement, you did not RTFA.
Does it have tv tunner? cable card? satellite TV? (Score:3)
Does it have tv tunner? cable card? satellite TV?
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Tuner. It's tuner you illiterate tool.
No, it's 'tuna'.
Wait, what? (Score:5, Funny)
Does "You can turn the console on by voice" mean when "off" this thing is actually running a voice recognition system waiting for you to turn it "on"? Ignoring the "it's constantly listening to what is going on" part: what did they say the "standby" power use was?
Re:Wait, what? (Score:5, Funny)
Also what happens when more devices start to support voice control, or you have two XBOXs in proximity? You say "off" and and your XBOX, TV, hifi, laptop, phone, tablet, air conditioning and lights all turn off simultaneously.
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I'm starting to think that my voice controlled pacemaker was a bad idea!
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It means Microsoft fully intends to spy on their customers all the time. Buried in line 4012 of the EULA of the first system update.
It's freeaking me out (Score:5, Insightful)
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Plug it into a power strip. Hit the master power switch on the strip when you turn off the console. I already do this for all my consoles (all 18 of them) anyway. Better to have them disconnected from main power during a lightning strike.
XBoner (Score:5, Funny)
How ya doin'.... (Score:5, Funny)
You can turn the console on by voice
Do you need to have a really sexy voice?
Does it matter if you're male/female or will it work both ways?
If you fail to turn it on the first time, will you ever be able to turn it on in the future?
I just really need to know these things before I even think about buying one.
Backwards Compatible? (Score:5, Interesting)
Any news on if it can play Xbox 360 games? The thing is if MS drops 360 Xbox Live support the 360 becomes an expensive boat anchor. Everything on the 360 revolves around Live including your profiles, Important game patches, Video content like renting movies and HBO GO, etc.
I guess I can live without being able to play 360 games on the One but then Microsoft HAS to keep Live going on the 360 for as long as people are willing to pay for Live service. People have a ton of money invested in these systems and If MS says "Sorry buy the new one and all new games" that would be a big Fuck You to all of us. There is definitely something to be said for old cartridge and cdrom based gaming systems that were pre-internet. They all work now and will all work 15 years from now. The 360 probably won't.
Re:Backwards Compatible? (Score:4, Informative)
Is it too much (Score:4, Insightful)
to ask for a classic-style game console built with modern tech/processing power?
Yes, I'd like to be able to play online with friends. That is the only other thing that I really want out of my console. I don't care if plays music or movies. I don't want it to be the center of my entertainment center. I sure as hell don't want it always on and spying on me.
I just want to play games, and that includes used ones.
Re:Does it work in other languages than English? (Score:5, Interesting)
I prefer Japanese. No-one else around me can eavesdrop, it doesn't sound as dorky and it actually works better. In Japanese sounds don't run together nearly as much as in English and so the voice recognition is considerably more reliable. Plus Japanese sat-navs are super-polite.
Having said that Google seem to have got English recognition more or less perfect now, even if you are Scottish.
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Replying to myself, lame I know...
One other question came to mind after I hit submit. Does the XBOX do all the recognition itself, or is everything you (and every sound in the room) sent to Microsoft for decoding? If so how easy is it for interested parties to access that audio stream?
Re:Installation notes. (Score:5, Funny)
Do not install Xbox One in the bedroom and/or avoid having sex in the same room as your Xbox One.
Which room does your Xbox One have sex in?
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If they're dealing with AMD, I think they mean 45nm.
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But can it play Crysis?
Yes, rhetorical question, I know.
But taking it seriously... The new Xbox GPU is said to be similar to the Radeon 7790 [extremetech.com]. And according to Anandtech [anandtech.com], that card can indeed handle Crysis in full HD at more modest settings at playable frame rates (though not a full 60 fps).
That said... who cares? Crysis is basically a benchmark masquerading as a game. It's amazing how much publicity Crytek got by hiring programmers who don't know how to optimize.
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At least with the PS4, I won't have to pay $50/year just to watch Netflix. Much as I hate Sony and used to love Xbox, I've had enough of that. None for this coming generation, thanks.
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God you people have no life, who gives a shit if it's Xbox 3.14 or Zero or who-gives-a-crap?
Buy it or don't. Idiots.
Boycotting doesn't work. It feels good from a moral standpoint, that your money isn't going to support DRM shit that makes each player in your household pay additional fees to play the one game disk you bought... However, Boycotts don't work. What if you heard the ending of ME3 sucked, and just didn't buy it? That wouldn't change anything. Bitch about it online enough such that it causes a horrible PR debacle and guess what happens? Shit. Shit actually happens. All you have to do is get enough
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