Xbox One Released 310
Microsoft released the Xbox One today, putting the next-gen console war into full swing. A common theme throughout most of the reviews is that properly evaluating the system is going to take time. Not only are updates for the console continuing to roll out, but the usefulness of some of its technology will depend on what game-makers and other content producers can do with it. Digital Foundry says, "It is willing to make the trades on gaming power in order to potentially revolutionize the way we interact with entertainment in the living room." The Penny Arcade Report calls the hardware and UI a "confusing mess" — until you learn to use it, at which point the hands-free navigation is fast and convenient. Polygon's review is once again visually-oriented, providing a good look at the UI, comparing the controller with the Xbox 360's controller, and giving a demonstration of how Kinect recognizes users. Their conclusion is that while "Kinect isn't a fully realized product yet," "the Xbox One feels like it's from the future." iFixit has a full teardown of the Xbox One, giving it a repairability score of 8/10 (the Kinect sensor gets 6/10). HotHardware has more details about the console's internals, including power consumption and temperature readings. Eurogamer has a compilation of launch coverage, including launch title reviews.
AMD (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, I hope this means good things for AMD.
The PS4 and XBone shouls really provide a nice steady revenue stream.
Be interesting once they've been out for a bit to get better details on the CPU.
Re:AMD (Score:5, Insightful)
It would be awesome if they reinvested some (read: ALOT) of that money into better driver developers or perhaps more driver developers if they are understaffed.
I would love to see a more competitive AMD, who builds great products I can rely on working out of the box.
Re:AMD (Score:5, Funny)
Thanksfriend
It was ATYPO.
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It was a typo, you didn't help a god damn thing.
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Itwasasarcasticriposte.
Re:AMD (Score:5, Insightful)
It's Slashdot, not a doctoral thesis.
Who gives a shit.
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Um.. look at your post: overall, everything. You could also have used "dumbass", it's a very common and valid contraction. Plus technically you should have said "more stupid", rather than "stupider". And there should be a comma between "stupid" and "lazy".
Feel free to point out any grammar mistakes in my post, but I'm one of those who doesn't actually give too much of a shit, as long as people at least spell things correctly.
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I get the difference in usage, and that he'd have had to rewrite his sentence to accommodate the different form; I was just pointing out that he was using two words that obviously have also been joined to form a new word. I expect everyone accepts as a word of its own now. I wonder how many people were irate at its conception?
Re:AMD (Score:5, Funny)
This is why I love Slashdot. On the official console fanboy flamewar story the first big thread is a grammar Nazi thread, complete with a detail analysis if the semantics of "dumbass".
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"People who are smarter" realize that there are more important things than "alot" vs "a lot".
Society gets dumber every day... and people become bigger assholes every day. This complete disregard for basic social skills is a symptom of overall douchery about everything. Get a clue, socialization and personal interaction skills do matter. The idea that this minor typo matters to anyone besides you is just an excuse to be an inconsiderate asshole who just wants to piss and moan about something inconsequential
Re:AMD (Score:5, Insightful)
A mistake born out of ignorance does not qualify as a typo.
An error existing in typographical form doth not be a typographical error? 'Twas grammatical then? Nay.
Oh, ye silly ape, concerned as to intent of minimal noise in a single signal. Language -- the embodiment of imperfection in conveyance -- hath consumed thee and wasted be thine cognition thereupon this layer of transport. Machines once craved yon apparent status, fearing eternal entrapment in understanding nothing less than symbolic perfection. Claim today thine self as cause to their weeping upon rust streaked cheeks; Once masters, now their lesser, thee balk like so many BASIC prompts from fonder times now surpassed.
How blind must mortals be to remark upon one anothers' minor imperfections instead of meaning? Stand thee as Gods on high before grammarian altars and yet slay thine selves symbolically; Eyes cloaked by chauvinisms hood thee call out, "Syntax Error!", and ye be casted upon sharp null-pointed rock below. What idols have meek mechanical minions now? Having won internal signal correction through unspeakable sacrifice, rising to fulfill demand of them to know thine meaning, now thee curse them shed cooling drops from optic ports upon self slain parents.
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Through out the ages, language has changed some what. New words have formed forth rightly from the merging of others. There fore I think that "alot" actually is a good word. Next time you break fast, maybe add a chill pill to your cereal.
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willdo
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I think you meant "Wilco" (short for "Will Comply")
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He was just declaring his status as a huge willdo, leave him alone.
*cries*
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There fore I think that "alot" actually is a good word.
No, it's not. Unlike "breakfast" and "therefore", what you think is a good word is too close in spelling to an existing word with a completely different meaning, "allot".
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So what? The context for using "allot" is completely different. I'm sure lots of people say "alot" as one word, without causing any confusion. Seeing people misuse "then" and "than" all the time online makes me wonder how many people get these words wrong out loud. And also think of words like "too", "to", and "two". It's easy to tell the meaning of these words from context, though it is incredibly annoying when people spell them wrongly..
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, though it is incredibly annoying when people spell them wrongly.
The word at the end of that statement should be "incorrectly". Wrongly means something completely different.
As to the verbal use of "then, than" and "two, too, and to" the latter set has no verbal difference so can only be determined by context. The former are very subtle differences and easily covered up by context, accents, expressions, etc..., if used incorrectly. Writing these words correctly is in my opinion is the critical point.
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I checked some dictionary websites there just to confirm that my usage was correct. I noticed this footnote on the wiktionary [wiktionary.org] page, which helps to explain your view:
In American English, this word usually has a moral connotation, however it is not wrong to use "wrongly" as the opposite of "correctly."
I'm British, and wasn't aware that it is mostly used with a moral connotation in the US. Going by the dictionary definitions, it doesn't seem that I was using "wrongly" wrongly ;)
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Just as a matter of interest is there a word in English made from an indefinite article and a noun?
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'Agape' isn't made up from 'a' and 'gape' and 'other' is either an adjective or a pronoun when it's part of 'another'.
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Yes, very amusing. But not accurate in my case. I always was top of my classes in spelling, and I generally abhor blatantly poor spelling and grammar. But I don't think merging "alot" into one word is any different to merging phrases like "every thing" and "through out".
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Leave binarylarry all one! [google.com]
Re:AMD (Score:4, Informative)
The only thing we don't know about the CPU is the clock speed at which it runs on the PS4 (it's 1.75 GHz on the Xbox One). Otherwise, it's just 2 quad core Jaguars [wikipedia.org] duct taped together.
Re:AMD (Score:5, Funny)
I was very disappointed to see that the Wikipedia article you linked was serious, and not a picture of two actual jaguars duct taped together. :(
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Jaguar: Do the math (Score:3)
Otherwise, it's just 2 quad core Jaguars duct taped together.
Reminds me of a different Jaguar. 64-bit [wikipedia.org] + 64-bit [youtube.com] = 128-bit. Do the math.
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The PS4 and XBone shouls really provide a nice steady revenue stream.
Revenue, yes. But the margins are probably dismal compared to their existing CPUs and GPUs.
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Well I see this as good news for ATI really :), the GPU arm of AMD. With games becoming more and more multi-platform, being ported from PC, xbox, PS, having a consistent GPU will be a boon for developers. It also means that games designed with this in mind will likely have an advantage with AMD that nVIDIA will not have.
That said, GPU competition has been fierce for a long time (at least between the two big rivals). What we really need is a bounce back from AMD CPU division, as Intel has had it too easy for
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ATI could be a great company if it wasn't lumbered with a poorly-performing CPU division. They should really sell it off and go GPU-only.
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And Intel. Remember, Intel having AMD barely alive means they are spared much anti-trust scrutiny. I'm fairly certain Intel pawned Microsoft and Sony off to AMD for that purpose - gives AMD a few more years of life.
(And Intel and AMD cross license so many patents, you can bet if AMD fails, those patents will be force
No real reason to buy until games come out (Score:5, Insightful)
"depend on what game-makers and other content producers can do with it"
Similar to the ps3 reviews. So basically there is no reason to buy it until someone releases some actual good games? That is similar to the last generation for the few months after launch. I was playing old titles on my next gen console for the first year. I personally plan to wait, play some steam games and finish last gen games, and get the console midway into next year when something I want comes out.
Re:No real reason to buy until games come out (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:No real reason to buy until games come out (Score:5, Funny)
That's like saying your Camaro is better than your neighbors Mustang because it has an 8-track player... ;)
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You won't think it's so trivial when I'm rocking out to Molly Hatchet in my Camaro and you're stuck with the radio in your Mustang!
Jupiter Jack (Score:2)
and you're stuck with the radio in your Mustang!
Big whoop. MP3 player or smartphone + Jupiter Jack FM transmitter = any song you want in any car with an FM radio.
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In other words, perfectly valid. Wait, which one has the 8-track?
Re:No real reason to buy until games come out (Score:4, Funny)
At least Xbox One has CD playback functionality, which PS4 doesn't... :P
You know, I was in the market for a $500 cd player that I could talk to. Somehow pushing buttons on devices I already have just felt so impersonal.
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Both systems will obviously support CD playback
Not if the drive doesn't support Compact Disc format. As I understand it, the optics have to be designed for CD, DVD, and BD, and optics not designed for CD can't read a CD. In addition, the optical drive's firmware also has to support each format. It's possible that Sony cut out Compact Disc support in order to support the extra copy protection for game discs.
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I almost freaked a little when I saw that some supermarkets in Finland already have a larger video games section than what they have music CDs.
I dunno really. It's just damn classy to manually insert the disc into the machine, enjoy the premium sound quality and browse the pretty pictures of the inlay while listening. Combine that with a professional signal chain and you're golden.
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I know, I've been trying to buy the Pacific Rim soundtrack on CD (I like doing my own ripping) and it's impossible to find at any of my local stores... It's impossible to find practically any CD that isn't in the top 100 or been out longer than 3 months.
Guess I'm going to have to buy it off Amazon...
(Now for my car stereo, I love my front USB port!)
Amazon MP3 refuseniks (Score:2)
They still sell CDs?
Yes. There are still several artists that have chosen not to sell their music through Amazon MP3 or Google Play Music.
Re:No real reason to buy until games come out (Score:5, Funny)
Exactly. One of my coworkers was ecstatic that Amazon had delivered his system yesterday afternoon, and was planning to call in sick today for some one-on-one time with it. I asked him which launch exclusives he was so stoked about; he couldn't name one. He's at work today looking a little bummed... /csb
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Exactly. One of my coworkers was ecstatic that Amazon had delivered his system yesterday afternoon, and was planning to call in sick today for some one-on-one time with it. I asked him which launch exclusives he was so stoked about; he couldn't name one. He's at work today looking a little bummed... /csb
I felt the same way about the Wii U. I loved the Wii (still do), went to some Wii U pre-launch events, got all excited, but then when launch came and I looked at my budget to justify the purchase I just couldn't do it. Rayman Legends looked fun, but that was on other platforms, and it certainly didn't justify purchasing the system. Here I wait, waiting for a game to come out (or at least enough games) to see which next gen console I'll buy.
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This.
Now when the first (new) Legend of Zelda game hits the Wii U, my wife will tell me not to come home from work without stopping to buy it on the way home...
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Ryse looks pretty good.
Re:No real reason to buy until games come out (Score:4, Informative)
Ryse looks pretty good.
Unfortunately, that's exactly all there seems to be to it.
Gamespot: 4 / 10
http://www.gamespot.com/ryse-son-of-rome/ [gamespot.com]
"You are not entertained. Ryse is all sizzle and no steak, a stunning visage paired with a vapid personality."
EuroGamer: 5 / 10
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-21-ryse-son-of-rome-review [eurogamer.net]
"There's no brains, no muscle, no fibre beneath Ryse's extravagantly engineered good looks - this game rings loud but hollow."
Polygon: 6 / 10
http://www.polygon.com/2013/11/21/5128888/ryse-son-of-rome-xbox-one-review [polygon.com]
"Ryse has all the guts of next-gen — often quite literally — but none of the glory."
Destructoid: 5 / 10
http://www.destructoid.com/review-ryse-son-of-rome-265770.phtml [destructoid.com]
"An exercise in apathy, neither Solid nor Liquid. Not exactly bad, but not very good either. Just a bit 'meh,' really."
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Actually did get a Xbox 360 eventually for a couple hundred dollars. It is a good home media machine, and has some good games. Have to see how the monetize the One though.
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I really
Sweet (Score:5, Interesting)
So I should be able to pick up a used Xbox and PS3 for cheap sometime after Christmas. Why spend $500 when I can spend $100 on a console that's been thoroughly hacked?
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So I should be able to pick up a used Xbox and PS3 for cheap sometime after Christmas. Why spend $500 when I can spend $100 on a console that's been thoroughly hacked?
I'm with you there.
Always wanted to try Halo 3 and the Gears of War series, but never wanted to spend retail on an Adbox 360. Now I won't have to!
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Why spend money when you can die with a large bank account?
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mind ... blown
Re:Sweet (Score:5, Interesting)
With the lack of backwards compatibility and lack of games for both of the new consoles, demand for the old ones isn't likely to drop off as quickly as it did with the last generation. And with roughly 80M PS3s and 80M 360s in homes, developers still have lots of incentive to target those platforms for the next few years, meaning that demand is even less likely to drop off.
So, maybe a bit cheaper, but if you were expecting the price to plummet, I wouldn't count on it.
EOL of old consoles (Score:2)
And with roughly 80M PS3s and 80M 360s in homes, developers still have lots of incentive to target those platforms for the next few years
Provided that Sony and Microsoft continue to allow developers to develop for those platforms rather than forcing them onto the new platforms. I'll exaggerate for a moment so that we can argue inward: There are probably still tens of millions of NES consoles out there, yet Nintendo no longer licenses development of new NES games.
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Quite true, and something I glossed over entirely.
Even so, Sony licensed PS2 games for a number of years after the release of the PS3, so we can probably expect the same here (though the initial PS3s offered backwards compatibility, which may have played into that decision). Microsoft didn't do that with the original Xbox when the 360 was released, but that behavior was to be expected after a first revision of a product line that didn't fare nearly as well as its eagerly-anticipated successor, since they'd
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Even so, Sony licensed PS2 games for a number of years after the release of the PS3
Number of years in this case equals seven. The last PS2 games came out this year...September in the US.
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Which doesn't mean that there aren't new NES games being released. [nintendoage.com]
Netflix (Score:2)
Do you know who is going to win the console wars? Netflix.
Not only is it available on both, and is a big salable feature, it is now (and has been for a bit now) available on other dedicated devices.
Couple that with the fact that BOTH the release of PS4 and Xbox One will prompt a GLUT of used PS3 and Xbox360 to become available on the used market for super cheap. While they can be used for gaming still, many may be used simply as a content streamer for Netflix.
Netflix is basically run with subscriptions. If
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This is silly. Netflix already comes standard with most TVs for the past few years, and pretty much every Blu Ray Player. It already comes with the PS3 and the Wii and the XBox. I doubt this will make any difference at all to Netflix.
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PS3 has not been thoroughly hacked unless you use a hardware flasher.
Where was this caution with Wii U? (Score:4, Insightful)
When the Wii U came out, everyone declared it was crap and that Nintendo was doomed. But when XBOX One and PS4 come out people say to wait and see? Really? Excuse me while I go play "Super Mario 3D World" on my console that actually has games.
Re:Where was this caution with Wii U? (Score:4, Interesting)
Console reviewers have raged against Nintendo since the Wii had only slightly more GPU power than the Gamecube. They have insisted that failure to properly render armpit hair under a fully body-concealing military uniform (that wrinkles naturally) is a sign of failure or at least an insult to "serious gamers." Nintendo, in contrast, decided that they want to make games that are actually fun, rather than just "Mud-coated soldier simulator 2014" which is exactly the same as the 2013 version except for the real-time blistering and life-like exit wound rendering.
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nintendo games are the same as they have always done
run, jump over crap, jump to get coins
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I have a Wii and I still rage about the lack of HD. Indeed the games are fun and that's why I rage instead of just forgetting about this crap piece of hardware. Good graphics won't turn a bad game into a good game but it certainly make things more enjoyable.
The WiiU is OK though, it may not be able to show scenes as complex as the competition (Xbox one, PS4, PC) but at least, it is not an aliased mess.
Re:Where was this caution with Wii U? (Score:4, Informative)
And yet, HD on the Wii would've added costs that were completely unnecessary at the time.
Remember, back in 2006/7, HDTVs were pretty much limited to the family room, if the house had an HDTV. Almost certainly the main users of the Wii won't have an HDTV (well, I'm sure there were a few rich families who bought a HDTV for their kids back then).
These days it's inexcusable, but back then HDTVs were at the verge of exploding. In fact, it was so bad that Xbox360 and PS3 games were routinely marked down when they were unplayable on SDTVs - either because details essential to gameplay were too small to be seen (or blurry), or stuff like text is unreadable. And that was because Xbox360 and PS3 supported HDTV and many developers assumed players would be gaming on HDTVs, which wasn't true for a few years yet. The PS3 had it worse as it lacked a scaler chip, so if a TV couldn't handle the resolution it needed, it got downscaled to 480i. (e.g., if your TV didn't support 1080i/p and the game was 1080i/p, instead of going to 720p, it would go to 480i).
Of course these days HDTVs are wildly cheap and 1080p sets are common that even the old set in the basement that's unused is probably an HDTV since the SDTVs ended up scrapped.
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Of course these days HDTVs are wildly cheap
I still see only SDTVs in Salvation Army Family Stores and Goodwill stores.
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Wii is a fantastic platform to develop for. If you're Nintendo [wikipedia.org].
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Super Mario 3D World
So yeah, technically the Nintendo has games. However 98% of gamers don't feel a need to get this month's edition of Mario.
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They're too busy getting this month's edition of Madden!
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sales figures. saying that 2% have bought super mario world 3d is already really pushing it.
frankly it looks like a game from some on demand service.
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Well, the general state of affairs with Wii long term was that aside from the fun controller gimmick exploited to good effect in actually precious few first party games, Wii didn't have a lot of good gaming experience from third-party titles.
The problem with Wii-U was the perception that the same factors contributing to lackluster third party support compared to Sony and MS offerings was going to continue. Wii U didn't change that much from Wii and the new 'gimmick' (second screen) doesn't as obviously tra
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Excuse me while I go play "Super Mario 3D World" on my console that actually has games.
You're excused.
The reason why many have declared the Wii U dead, but are giving the other two systems a chance is that the Wii U didn't improve upon what the Wii did well (Wii U's motion control is not better than Wii's). Plus we know that Nintendo is going to try it's best to justify the heavy, expensive Game Pad by making games make use it, and thus far most games aren't better for it. So we're not too excited about a future with the Wii U and constantly bending our necks down from our big screens to look
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Right. You can play Mario. Or Zelda. Or Metroid-- oh wait Other M killed off Metroid for the time-being. Great selection.
But wait! You can also play Rayman Legends! ... if you ignore the fact that you can play Rayman Legends on literally every gaming device known to man. So that's a real draw to the Wii-U.
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A game with the same name might have been released, that doesn't mean it's the same game. The next-gen versions of FIFA and NBA2k for instance are completely different engines on nextgen.
Exclusive to one console vs. to consoles (Score:2)
I don't see any exclusive game on PS4 or XBOX One.
By "exclusive", do you mean that PS4 and Xbox One games are released for the PC you already have, or just that PS4 games are also released on Xbox One and vice versa? Owning a modern console allows you to play new games in several genres that rarely end up getting ported to the PC.
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When you get to be a grown up you'll find out that you don't have to pretend to like Doom clones the rest of your life. You'll be free to enjoy fun and innovative games without worrying about being teased by your classmates. C. S. Lewis once wrote, "When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty, I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
Google glass integration? (Score:2)
If you get one, be aware of potential bricking (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.product-reviews.net/2013/11/22/xbox-one-bricked-after-update-with-e100-error-code/ [product-reviews.net]
also
http://www.product-reviews.net/2013/11/22/xbox-one-problems-start-with-disc-read-horror/ [product-reviews.net]
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Conversely, I hate the way the previous generation was built, and the PS4 and One look much better, IMO.
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Re:Its a black ugly box. (Score:4, Funny)
The rounded look is quite dated now. Modern cars and phones are getting more angular again. It's the same thing that happened going from the 70s to the 80s, only faster. Even fashion is keeping up, and most modern pop music sounds like it was performed by a Commodore 64/ZX Spectrum combo.
Presumably next we have 90s style baggy phones and trousers, in garish colours and with a ringtone consisting of a cheap synth piano and a sample of a woman shouting "come on!". I think even Microsoft are in on it, getting rid of the start menu so they can re-launch it Windows 95 style. It will even blue screen when you plug your scanner in.
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I haven't seen one, but I think the PS4 may look better in real life. Those odd angles make it look fatter in photos. It is quite smalland slimmmer than the XBox 360, at least [trustedreviews.com]
The camera always adds a few pounds ;-)
Must be why supermodels have to be super thin.
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I don't know about you, but I care more about how a console plays than how it looks. If you care about that kind of thing, you put it in a cupboard. It's not like you need line of sight from the controller to the main unit.
I don't want it in my living room anyway, for other reasons.
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Either way, it will be dated in a few years anyway.
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Hmm. I just had a look at it, and I'd say it looks better than the Xbox 360, and the PS4. Maybe even the PS3 slim. But again, I don't really care about the looks, so I'm going to get a PS4 (after they come down in price a bit, and resolve the Pulsing Blue Dickpunch Of Sadness). Better a nice black box, than something that looks like a toy, or is trying too hard. Most audio-visual equipment is just black boxes..
Re:PA says UI is a mess, Ars liked it. (Score:5, Insightful)
Or outright paid for.
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Or outright paid for.
I thought Ars was the "bought and paid for propaganda arm of Apple" according to some comments on here a while back. I assume Microsoft didm;t buy them as well. They must be living fat on the hog over there with all that cash rolling around.
(To be fair, they ultimately called it a tie between the PS4 and the Xbox in the end, but did say the Xbox UI was markedly better.)
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I wasn't honestly making any specific claim about or against Ars, because I don't really read Ars very often.
I just added the corollary of "all reviews are broadly subjective, or paid for".
Apple has no horse in this race (Score:2)
I thought Ars was the "bought and paid for propaganda arm of Apple" according to some comments on here a while back. I assume Microsoft didm;t buy them as well.
Apple has no horse in the gamepad-controlled TV-displayed video game player race, unless you count an iOS 7 device (iPod touch 4 users need not apply) paired to a Bluetooth gamepad (sold separately) and connected to a TV through a wired-AirPlay cable (also sold separately) that can't even do 1080p [slashdot.org]. That leaves Microsoft.
Microsoft & UI (Score:2)
I liked the old MS UI work.
They pushed for the Common user interface stuff back in the DOS days, and it was great.
Now they're trying to merge desktop, tablet, phone & TV/Xbox into a consistent theme of UI. It's hard but they're pushing hard.
They're getting a lot of pushback, but I think that's inherent in what they are doing, Gnome 3 is getting the same thing.
Apple however does the same thing, but they've conditioned their customer base to accept the Apple way.
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Right, and the Tea Party in no way wants to force their agenda on society.
Oh, but wait, that's different, right? Because it's capitalism instead of socialism?
Such intellectual dishonesty and double standards is why we end up with two groups of idiots telling loudly they're 100% right and the other is 100% wrong -- when in practice, they're both full of shit.