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Homer: Here's good news! According to this eye-catching article, SAT scores are declining at a slower rate! Lisa: Dad, I think this paper is a flimsy hodgepodge of pie graphs, factoids and Larry King. Homer: Hey, this is the only paper in America that's not afraid to tell the truth, that everything is just fine.
Of course they're losing money for every unit sold. In some countries this is called "dumping" which is illegal. I'm curious why no one has spanked them on this issue. Nintendo has always stated that their systsme costs under 100 to make, and no one really knows about Sony, but it's safe to assume they're making a profit as well.
As far as getting spanked for spiking or dumping, that is an international trade issue and is only brought up when the country getting the dumped goods complains/puts up trade barriers.
I don't really know of anything in the US that prevents having a loss-leader ofr a product line (but there may be something out there).
Even GM did it with their X-body(?) cars in the 80's. If you bought one "base" it cost you less than it cost them. As soon as you started adding options (including GMAC financing), they st
dumping is when a company is selling their product at a loss AND well below market price in order to beat the competition. microsoft is not dumping b/c they are selling at a loss just to remain price competitive with nintendo and sony. if they were selling at $50, that might be dumping.
This is true, but as an emulator box, it's hard to beat a game system that was build as a game system. I like playing original NES games more on my DreamCast than on my PC, just because it feels more like playing the original NES.
I got this one from Dell for $339 a couple of weeks ago. It is expired now but new ones come out all of the time. No way does it cost $336 to make an XBox.
Another new low price for the Dimension 4550. Dell is trying to boost their quarterly earnings which ends this month.
Dell Small Business has the Dimension 4550 2.53GHz Desktop for $339 after $200 rebate. It has AGP Slot, 4 PCI Slots, Intel 845PE chipset, 256MB DDR, 30GB HD, 48x CDRW or 16x DVD, 32MB Rage, Integrated NIC & Audio, XP Home, WordPerfect,
if i wanted to, i could easily load four different linux/bsd distro's on an off-the-shelf mac
what the original post was talking about is: how do you use linux, mac os x or solaris on your desktop in a world where every email in your organization (including the ones about brownies in the kitchen) *requires* palladium to read?
every hard-core tech could be forced to keep a windows computer on their desk (like me) even though their primary development platform is complet
"Could" it happen? Sure. Is it going to happen? I don't know and neither does the person quoted. Every argument like this smacks to me of someone who simply wants to justify doing whatever s/he wants to do. It's like people arguing that they download MP3s because CDs are too expensive - if a CD is too expensive to purchase, how does that give you the right to steal it (yes, I use the word "steal" despite all the arguments about copyright being civil law and that copying supposedly isn't the same as stealing).
That's not to say that I think people shouldn't be able to mod their Xboxen. As long as the person modding isn't pirating software then I myself don't see the big deal. But that quote from the article reads like the kind of paranoid spouting off that we read every day from posters on Slashdot...to those people, EVERYTHING is a "slippery slope."
The truth is that I think Microsoft wants to "lock down" the Xbox hardware so that people can't play pirated games and not as some sort of diabolical plot that has something to do with Windows, Office and the Illuminati. I consider their stance on this matter reasonable (though maybe not defensible) considering that any money they make from the Xbox comes from software licensing.
Yes, screwing themselves over. The best part is, no matter what they do, they just can't win. I'm sure we could make it run GL, but nVidia would have to make the drivers(they won't though), and they aren't giving the specs out anytime soon.
Which is unnecessary and/or overkill for most applications. The 8GB disk will fulfill most users' needs because their media library can be stored on their PC (A more logical place for a large expensive disk than a cheapass little piece of consumer trash - I like my Xbox a lot but I don't think I necessarily trust it.)
Make that more like $236, with no disk upgrade, which as I mentioned before is unnecessary. Actually, I think it will cost you a little MORE than that, though. It's $30 for a decent modchip, something that's updatable from a CD. You also have to pay shipping on cables to hook up USB, or you have to make cables out of Xbox extension cables and USB extension cables, which probably ain't much cheaper. Also, to get digital audio out of it you have to spend another $20. (That also gets you S-Video, though, it even comes with an S-Video cable to get you started... it's lousy but it works.)
Then again, you can get an Xbox used for $130. So maybe it's actually not so expensive. Why buy an Xbox with a warranty if you're just going to void it anyway?
You don't need the modchip though, you just need a copy of 007:something or another, and you can buffer-overflow your way into it.
You can also, after using the buffer-overflow exploit upgrade the firmware in the bios by soldering two of the pins (I'm no X-Box hacker, so I'll not try to say which). So, you won't need a modchip.
You can get the 007 game at blockbuster for five bucks...
Why buy an Xbox with a warranty if you're just going to void it anyway?
Maybe because if there IS warranty, you may be pretty sure the box is not broken? But in the other hand, you can buy an used Xbox with a warranty that's about-to-expire and get just enough time to test if you should make use of the warranty and take the xbox to service or void it safely...
Just because there's been 150,000 copies donloaded doesn't mean 150,000 XBoxen have been modded. I'm sure there's people who have downloaded it and not installed it(I do that to software often =/)and on the flip side I'm sure there's peopel who DL it and install on multiple. I'd take a guess and say the former is more common than the latter.
And to the idiot that said XBox games look like Quake 2, well you're just that - an idiot. The XBox is the technically superior system. It also IMO has the best controler - too bad it's games suck =/
by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Sunday May 18, 2003 @05:41PM (#5987727)
The following is being offered free of charge to all those who feel the need to troll the Slashdot Games section. newsgroup. Please print out a copy and keep it with you at all times. If you follow these simple steps, you trolling is guaranteed to improve.
If a game is currently on PS2 and there are plans to bring it out on the Xbox, make sure to claim that no one will want to play that game by the time it gets to the Xbox. For example, by the time Virtua Fighter 4/GTA3 comes to the Xbox, we'll all be playing something new.
Use the reverse logic if it is a game only on the Xbox that may be ported to other systems/PC later. Case in point, Halo. Say something to the effect of "I'll wait for the true version of Halo on the PC". "It will be much better than the Xbox version".
Constantly complain about FPS on consoles ACCEPT for Goldeneye.
Always use Bill Gates name. Act as if he is the one making the games. By all means, if you run out of clever or interesting things to troll about, just bring up Mr Gates. Lots of people hate him and will be glad to agree with you.
Complain about the XBox controller. Even if you have never seen or used it, it won't matter. People will believe you when you say it's big. Be sure and try to provide a testimonial about your wife or girlfriend or kid who complains about the size of it. Also claiming to be injured by the controller can be the foundation of a great troll post.
When referring to the Xbox, try to scew the name a bit. Xblox, eggs bocks, the stupider the name, the more favorable of a response you will get.
Be sure and mention Japanese and European sales numbers. If you aren't sure what those sales numbers are, go ahead and make something up. Estimate low, most people will believe you.
Although Xbox owners seem to enjoy there games, make sure to comment on Xbox not having any games with good gameplay. Although the Xbox does share some ports with PS2 and Gamecube, it's okay to assume that the Xbox version of those ports has poor gameplay as well.
Since the Xbox has nice graphics, be sure and find a way to put a negative spin on this. Using the age old formula that states if a game has nice graphics, it must have terrible gameplay, you can convince people that Xbox games are all tech demos.
Defective Xbox stories are excellent to use in trolling. The best part is that they require no proof. I find that "the screen just froze up" works great. Occasionally you can use something really bizarre like "My friend bought an Xbox and it caught on fire and burned down there house. Now they are homeless. F*** Bill Gates."
When all else fails, lie. There are lots of people who will agree with you just because they hate MS.
not a troll but the following are true... re: # 3 - not all FPS on consoles EXCEPT (;-)) goldeneye are crap but many are. however, Goldeneye and Timesplitters 2 are both great and metroid prime (more of an adventure game that happens to be from the 1st person) is absolutely incredible. on the other hand, the "pride" of the xbox is Halo which i have played and have no desire to play again... very boring, very generic, etc and see #10 # 5 - the controller IS huge and very hard to use. especially compared to
The only good games for the XBox are out for the other systems, except for Halo which i was not impressed with
I own all three of the current-gen systems, and every one of the XBox games I own are "XBox-exclusive". Halo is a great game, but you might also check out Buffy (basically a 3D Double Dragon with a decent storyline), Panzer Dragoon, Jet Grind Radio, Mech Assault, and Dead or Alive 3 (if fighting games are your thing).
Dead or Alive 3 was the only game I was interested in at launch (I was a fan of the prior games), and I put off buying the XBox until early last summer. Although I'd still recommend a GC or PS2 to someone who only wants one console (A PS2 would be my first inclination), the Xbox is a really solid game machine.
#3 You haven't played Castle Wolfenstein on the XBOX - obviously. Halo is a great game with great game play, especially in the upper levels with vehicles.
#5 The Original controller is large, but it is NO longer being shipped with XBoxes, they moved to the S Controller like 8 months ago. And again, if you already have the large controller, trade it for an S controller at any GameCrazy for a few dollars difference.
#7 This is a first version console, of course it will lag in sales compared to two console ma
I bought an Xblox the other day, and I wish I hadn't. I guess the poor sales number should have warned me (since they only sold 3000 EggsBlockses in Europe, and 12 in Japan). I don't know what Bill Gates was thinking when he designed the controller, but it really hurts my hands. It's way too big!
I was playing a game with it once, and it started vibrating, jumped right out of my hands, and severely wounded a small child. Also, it's strained my fingers so much, I'm starting to have problems 'viewing' my Natalie Portman image collection! I'm going to sue Bill Gates!
Sure, some of the games may have nice graphics, but the gameplay is absolutely shocking. I tried to play Halo, but it's nothing but a tech demo! You may not believe this, but it's actually impossible to shoot! I played for five minutes, and couldn't kill anything at all, so I took the game back to the shop. It has nothing on Goldeneye. I'm going to wait for the PC version, which should be much better.
Also, my son really wanted me to buy a console, so that he could play GTA3, so imagine my surprise when I found out it was not yet released on the Xbox! He had to undergo therapy for several weeks - but I'll get the money back from Bill Gates when I sue him.
I'm going to sell my XSocks on Ebay now. It'll probably cost me a lot in shipping, because it's really heavy. Bill Gates designed it that way, because he likes to hit immigrants over the head with his. I'll never buy another M$ product!
Actually, despite some people here thinking I am an anti-MS fundster, I still give MS their due - I like most of their hardware - I am using a MS optical mouse right now. The X box hackers must agree with me, or why would they bother? They want the MS hardware, plus the freedom to do what they want with it. MS office suites are quite good, and WinXP is a lot more stable than Win9x. I just don't like their product licencing and the lack of freedom that goes along with it. Also, I wouldn't dream of using
I believe all of these should fall into the "fair use" catagory. If Microsoft doesn't interfere with any of this alleged "illegal hacking" projects, they could sell those Xboxes like hot cakes. More people would buy them since they'll have more than one use. Since more people would buy an Xbox to say run Linux on them or what not, they could also use it to play games! That way games will be sold and Microsoft would make money of it since the publishers have to pay a royalts to MS.
Also, whatever you do to the Xbox should be considered fair use. When you mess with the hardware, all that MS should be able to do is deny you warrany. Car manufacturers already do this. Think of the people that modify their cars and put in turbos and superchargers. If/when their engine craps out, the dealership or whatever doesn't have to cover anything since what you did to your car has voided your warrany.
My point is MS has no right to take any legal action against any of these "illegal hacking" projects and should just leave them alone. Fair use is fair use.
If Microsoft doesn't interfere with any of this alleged "illegal hacking" projects, they could sell those Xboxes like hot cakes.
Why would they want that? They make money from
Live subscriptions and game sales. People who
mod their XBox are unlikely to purchase either.
I agree that anyone who purchases an XBox should
be free to do with it what they want, but to claim
that mods are in Microsoft's best interest is
wrong.
MS will continue to support legislation that
makes modifying these units illegal.
The Xbox is actually a much better machine than those computers found in Wal-Mart. Hell, even the graphics card itself is faster than most of the CPUs inside the Wal-Mart computers.
The appeal behind all of this is that because MS released a "locked down" computer, please wanted to circumvent around those security devices and prove something to other. Also, its fun, you can show off, and its a good time waster.
and you'll have a point once you are able to run Xbox games natively in Linux.
Right now, the biggest complaint about Linux is "not enough games" (ok, maybe not the biggest, but one of the reasons that a lot of people are dual-booting). Once you can install Linux on your gaming console (PS2 or Xbox) you remove that reason for dual-booting. Now you've got a functioning Linux PC that you can reboot and use to play games with.
What's the difference between that and dual-booting? Well for one thing you only have to maintain one OS installation instead of 2.
which runs the Linux OS can be had from wal-mart for >$100 less.
I'm sorry, I don't see the appeal of this?
Not that we haven't gone over this a thousand times on/., but:
XBox- Great graphics to a TV (which most people already have). Great stereo output.
WalMart PC- crappy video, crappy sound, cheap components all around. Still need to buy a monitor. Only available through mail order, that's at least $30 shipping (plus tax since Wal-Mart has a physical presence in your state). Doesn't fit in TV console, doesn't look good sitting on top of VCR. Doesn't play DVDs. Doesn't play xbox games. Doesn't play many games at all. Need to get IR mouse/kb or you can't use it from the couch.
You're probably too young to remember this, but the reasons the Commodore 64 sold so well was it was much cheaper than other computers, but mostly because you could plug it right into the TV. The IBM PCjr selling for $1000 was too expensive for most people, but a C64 and tape drive could be had for $200 (or less!) and plugged right into the TV. That's what introduced millions of us to computers- the fact we didn't need to buy an expensive monitor. And the awesome COLOR graphics, sound, the the sheer number of games available, put the C64 into many homes. Oh, and most retailers were willing to sell the C64 at a loss to get customers in to buy the accessories and games.
If MS were to market a "game" that consisted of Windows, Word and Excel, with a cheap xbox printer, I think it could create a HUGE market for the xbox, similar what happened with the C64.
Incidentally, using an Xbox for a linux box is (ostensibly) legal if you install the cromwell linux BIOS, so that you are not using a hacked version of Microsoft code (The BIOS.)
Once you open the wrapping, you've agreed to the contract. You may think that sucks, but that's how the contract is worded and so far no challenge to such contracts has ever legally been successful in the US. It may not be 'right', but its the law of the land as it currently stands.
On the same page as the article explaining how you can have a really compact PC for $336 by modding the x-box is an advertisement for Dell computers with free shipping.
That gets me thinking...maybe Microsoft needs to abandon the whole losing money on the xbox to compete with the playstation 2 strategy and start charging more for it and advertise the modding--and compete with companies such as Dell and Gateway:)
Xbox's successor will supposedly be a full-fledged PVR in addition to being a game console. Ostensibly they will just go ahead and make it a full set top box by including a browser.
Since MS is losing money on the XBox, as indicated in the story, couldn't one assist in MS' decline by purchasing as many XBoxes as was available? So, following that logic, everyone who loathes MS needs to go out and buy an XBox (but no games.)
Great idea. Lets waste our money so MS might lose some. Of course, considering they have $40 billion odd in cash lying around (at least, I think I remember hearing something like that), we're going to have to buy a hell of a lot of X-boxes. Lets see, something like 400,000,000 of them I think (assuming they lose $100 a console). Somehow I don't think that is going to work.
If you don't buy anything related to the Xbos MS earns 0, nada, zilch, nil.
If you buy only the Xbox they are recouping 140 or wahtever dollars. Do the maths wise one.
Now, don't be stupid. This argument is the most idiotic one in the history of/.
If you want to hurt MS don't buy their products. If you want to hurt them even more, don't use their products at all (i.e. don't buy second hand, don't pirate stuff you criminal, drop their stuff as fast as you can).
in 10 years when Redhat has achieved total domination and released their new home entertainment system there will be a rush to see who will be the first to port win2010 to it and then posting to cfullcolon to brag about their l33t skillz and demanding the right to be allowed install the home entertainment systems as their car stereo if they so choose without being forced to make their car available to anyone who wants to drive it under the terms of the new Redhat GPL
But it does highlight the complexity of Microsoft's struggles to make its products more secure. Because Xbox has so much capability...
You'd think that MS would embrace this community and use thier advances as a selling point for the X-Box. Maybe they could make software of this type an official release. The whole idea of the media hub seems to be what most companies are moving towards today, so you would think that MS would want software of this type running on its system.
Xbox live 2.0 will include support for (at least) WMV and WMA files, and perhaps some flavors of AVI, though I haven't heard anything about that. I think it's supposed to play mp3, too. And all of this over the network.
Hence, any software like this competes with Microsoft and their attempts to play the DRM game.
Yes, I assumed that MS would want to charge for what they would be officially supporting, but developing something can often be very expensive, so all they would have to do is sell the stuff that is already out there.
See BBC News today [bbc.co.uk] , they have a war game that runs on one. Is this preparation for dealing with those individuals that won't run a M$ operating system ?
"A combat simulator developed to train grunts in discipline and manoeuvres is being adapted for the Xbox games console."
This doesn't mean that the Army's using X-Boxes as you're implying. It only means that Pandemic's making an X-Box version of the simulation based upon the Army's version that they supplied.
Ona quick note, Microsoft doesn't mind hacking the Xbox to make it into something more; if fact, MS wants that done... but not right now... and not by someone who hasn't been licensed to develop software/hardware.
I've watched a week-long dedication to hacking the XBox on TechTV a little while ago, and I saw Windows Media Player on the thing. I don't own any console, but what does XBox run OS-wise? Is it Windows CE or some mutant form of it?
Can I get a keyboard, web browser, a dialup modem, and maybe have a better WebTV? If it can run Linux, does that mean I can install Slackware straight from CD?
While it says it will attack hackers on a case-by-case basis, analysts say the company has so far tolerated the Xbox hacking as an unavoidable nuisance.
Alright, im still having trouble with people selling others hardware products with the intentions of them using it for a specific purpose - and then suddenly its a punishable offense that they are going "attack". What business is it of theirs what I do with my XBox?
If these machines come with these kinds of restrictions I think we're still getting ripped
you could build your own (better) PC for about that much and you don't have to go to the trouble of hacking anything.
Nforce2 motherboard w/ integrated sound, lan and Geforce4 MX - $100
Athlon XP 1700+ - $42
2x 256mb PC2700 - $86
48x24x48x CDRW - $40
40gb hard drive- $60
Cheap case and decent PSU - $50
these are SHIPPED prices from Newegg.
This URL [tomshardware.com] demonstrates the placement of the GF3Ti200 against GF4MX cards. Note how it is always within 5% of the 4MX performance, and exceeds it by more than it is exceeded (in other benchmarks.)
Xbox's NV2X runs at 250 MHz. Highly-overclocked GF3Ti200s run at about 240MHz, but normally run at 175MHz. This is supposed to be more powerful (slightly) than a GF3, clock for clock. Hence, this should beat up on a GF4MX pretty nicely.
Other than that, you're right about the system. It should really have a DVD, h
Did it every occur to anybody that maybe Microsoft really wants people to hack X-box? They want it to become hip-to-hack. This is the sort of grassroots cool they really hunger for. Basically, the hackers create a hip new market and what the heck can MS do but jump on the bandwagon? After all their goal all along is not to make a game platform, but to build a more ubiquitous computer platform.
I guess it's a plausible scenario, but on the other hand, they're pushing the DRM thing so hard it's difficult to imagine that it might be true.
On the other hand, the ideas of Machiavelli are both available in book form and reasonable things to come up with on one's own, if you catch my drift here. If M$ pushes DRM like a mad bastard for a while they can make some money out of it, then if things go wrong they can just change a bunch of officers and go open source and/or give up on DRM.
Has anyone tried running Windows XP Embedded on an xbox? I've been working with XPe for about a week, and frankly I'm pretty impressed with the ability to select/deselect components of the OS (don't want IE, don't include IE), but it seems it would be something that someone has tested on a 'box.
'box?!?! 'box?!?! C'mon! You're only contracting one freakin' letter! And come to think of it, by replacing the uppercase "X" with an apostrophe, you're not even saving yourself any keystrokes! =)
If I had a good reason to hack an XBox I'd do it, but as it stands, it's best for playing video games. It would be fun to buy a bunch of XBoxes, mod them, and continue to screw Microsoft, though. Oh well.
spend $200 on a lindows pc. Yes, I know you'll still have no tv out, so you'll have to blow another $100 on a scan converter. You do get ethernet though, and a 1.1 gig duron:). Still, I don't like the idea of relying on something so patently illegal (note: I said illegal, not immoral) as modchips. Not that I expect microsoft to come roaring into my house and arrest me...
On the other hand, this is really cool for 2 reasons. One, it provides a real, legit, fair use reason for modchips. Two, it's gotta reall
. . . that/.'ers who are generally opposed to M$'s monopolistic business tactics rush to buy Xboxes. I know the usual arguments is "M$ loses money for each one sold," but it seems people are actually buying games for their systems too.
I'm guessing you enjoy M$ dominating yet another industry?
The guy's got a point. Wait till Dell runs a sale and you can score a P-4 2.x GHz machine loaded, for about $450, sans monitor. That's just over $100 more than the X-Box, and look at the difference. Of course, that would make this whole 'Hacking the X-Box' appear to be a worthless waste of time...
-video out quality isn't as good (nvidia's video out sucks, ati's is good but not as good as xbox) -it's louder -it's bigger -it doesn't fit in with your other home entertainment stuff -no optical digital output -no rgb output -slower boot time
If you want to spend 5-600$ or so for a loaded shuttle XPC (i got the nforce one) and another 100$ for a scan converter with component output, another 100$ for swank logitech wireless keyboard and optical mouse, then you'll have something worth comparing. This is almost exactly what I have, and it's nice. My only main complaint is the noise of the fan, but I have it hidden under my home entertainment system.
But saying a cheap system will do the same is naive.
I got a PC with an Athlon 1700+, 20 GB HD, and 128 MB or RAM for $250, and about $30 of that was shipping. You can even upgrade to a real video card(integrated shared vram by default) cheaper than the $336 they estimate.
At first I though about building my own, but the parts+shipping actually came out cheaper for the prebuilt systems, but then again I didn't vigourously look for the cheapest price for each individual part, and I don't really care for amil in rebates.
Hacking the XBox can hardly be called "a worthless waste of time." Anytime a person has enough curiousity and know-how to crack open the case of a computer/appliance/gadget; ESPECIALLY one manufactured by such a hated company as Microsoft; and tinker around with it to gain a better understanding of the device or to improve/change its function is NOT A WASTE OF TIME.
We need more curious minded people if we are ever going to grow as a society. We need to understand the computers and devices that we depend
"Hacking the XBox can hardly be called "a worthless waste of time."
If this were about unique hardware like the PS2 or the GameCube, I'd agree with you. However, the XBOX is a PC. There's no value in tinkering here, worse there's no killer app that justifies 'fair use' of it. The only one that immediately pops into mind is a DivX movie player. Doh, we're treading into pirate waters here, doubtful the court'll support that.
Until there's that must have app that the XBOX runs best, every attempt to hack t
The XBOX is a DRM (digital rights management) PC type system, not a standard boot-any-x86-OS PC. Hacking on this hardware is nothing like hacking on standard x86 stuff.
I think you meant to say that hacking the XBOX is a waste of your time. Also, the XBOX won't have a killer app. Apps are traditional applications and the XBOX runs games. As long as MS wants to sell these things cheaper than the cost of manufacture, people will want to buy it to potentially replace low end PCs, can't say I blame them.
It would appear to be a worthless waste of time if you didn't want to also use it as an Xbox. Even so it isn't really, the portability makes it attractive, as you can treat it like just another home stereo item.
Also, as I have pointed out elsewhere; If you're going to hack it you need to open it, which invalidates your warranty. You might as well get a used xbox for $130 or refurb for $150; I don't know if those prices have gone down since the Xbox dropped to $180. A used Xbox is at least $50 cheaper than
I respect the "because it's there" mentality of getting Linux to run on anything
Unfortunately I don't think the 'because it's there' thought process will get anyone very far. At some point someone needs to realize that their time is worth more than needlessly wasting it on disassembling something with no value to them in the future whatsoever. I could take my television apart because I can as well; however outside of "WHOO HOO I TOOK APART MY TV!!! I AM SO SMART!" there is no socially redeeming value what
My Xbox games from launch look better than even the newest games on my PS2 and Gamecube.
Xbox has had well documented periods where no good new games were released, but that's not a reason why the Xbox itself sucks. I've managed to find enough good (some great) games to make my Xbox purchase worth my while. Halo, for example, while being released before level design was finished, is still a smashing game. It single handedly proved FPSes can be great on a console.
Maybe I'm happy because I fall into that 10% catagory you mention, but to be fair, Nintendo has historically done a far worse job of making games for a wide audience than what Microsoft has done here, and Nintendo STILL has a long way to go. And Microsoft has some good MMORPG and RPG shit coming to help the cause. So sure Sony is the leader in game variety and overall game quality, but Microsoft isn't the runt of the litter by any means. Lack of games isn't all that big a deal for Xbox owners.
Online gameplay. Xbox Live wins hands down. At least Sony did SOMETHING, and that something works, but it's not on the same level.
So I fail to see how you can say the Xbox sucks so badly when it has the best hardware, and the best online setup. You didn't make very many points for me to draw comparisons on, but that's what I got. And your comparison of the Xbox to an Alienware isn't of interest to me. I can't Jabba The Hut it on the couch with an Alienware. Furthermore, that's apples and oranges.
It's about FUN GAMES. Period. Something which Nitnendo has been dominating Sony and Microsoft since the early 80s. Nothing has ever sold more than Mario and Zelda. You mention HALO, that's fine.. What else is there? Nothing... Thats why! You can give crap games all the online stuff in the world and they'll still be a crap game. In online gaming on the PC where people are used to playing againts thousands of users, 8-24 player deathmatch is simply lacking, they shouldn't even bother. Just my lame opinion, I
Disagree, I actually own several XBox titles, and I have access through one of my clients to rent games for free as much as I like through the local video store.
Buffy, Kungfu Chaos, MechAssault, Halo, Castle Wolfensten, BaldersGate, etc, etc.
Halo isn't the 'only' good XBox game out there or I would just rent them when I wanted to play instead of buying them. Trust me...
That quote is attributed to a kid who runs an XBox hacking site. What you're doing here is akin to saying "someone on Slashdot said that Microsoft is going to lock down PCs! How is Microsoft denying this?!?"
Not that I don't agree with the sentiment, but this quote doesn't come from anyone associated with Microsoft.
"We're very committed to respecting the intellectual property rights of others" said J. Allard from Microsoft.
This guy must be a new hire who skipped employee orientation or something. Did anyone else feel the need to laugh when they read that?
Standard corporate doublespeak.
Translated it means:
"Abortions for some, miniature American flags for
others" or maybe "Mod an XBox and the terrorists
win". I'm not quite sure which, as I'm only a 3rd
level corporate drone.
"We're very committed to respecting the intellectual property rights of others"
Sounds exactly like something MS would say to me. Others is obviously refering to the people who own the "intellectual property".
Else he would have said "We're very committed to respecting the user's rights to use others intellectual property". Or something to that effect--Which would be odd for someone from MS to say.
Thanks for saying this; I was thinking of mentioning this fact, and the fact that MS loses more money for every Xbox manufactured and not sold; they recoup much of that if you buy one.
Yeah, but there is a personal satisfaction factor you forgot to consider. There just is no way to describe the JOY of hacking an Xbox and loading Linux onto it. It's a real poke in the eye for Bill Gate$ and that is worth it to me.
And there's the geek factor to consider too..
There are many benefits to hacking the xbox, most of them involve personal issues...
Now we're getting hacking tips (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Now we're getting hacking tips (Score:4, Funny)
Tomorrow --> how to make your |337 wall-hax0r match with your |337 wire-frame furniture with martha stuart.
Re:Now we're getting hacking tips (Score:4, Funny)
Lisa: Dad, I think this paper is a flimsy hodgepodge of pie graphs, factoids and Larry King.
Homer: Hey, this is the only paper in America that's not afraid to tell the truth, that everything is just fine.
Are MS (Score:3, Interesting)
You expect them to compete fairly? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:You expect them to compete fairly? (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't really know of anything in the US that prevents having a loss-leader ofr a product line (but there may be something out there).
Even GM did it with their X-body(?) cars in the 80's. If you bought one "base" it cost you less than it cost them. As soon as you started adding options (including GMAC financing), they st
Re:You expect them to compete fairly? (Score:2)
Re:You expect them to compete fairly? (Score:2)
Re:Are MS (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes they are... just like they are with every other MS product except Office and Windows. Funny enough, it doesn't seem to hurt them too much...
Re:Are MS (Score:3, Insightful)
HI2u (Score:4, Interesting)
quick swap of the stock hd for a nice 80gig, throw on your emulators and roms, and viola, punch out courtesy of ms.
Re:$336 gets you a complete system from Dell. (Score:2)
Re:$336 gets you a complete system from Dell. (Score:3, Informative)
No way does it cost $336 to make an XBox.
Another new low price for the Dimension 4550. Dell is trying to boost their quarterly earnings which ends this month.
Dell Small Business has the Dimension 4550 2.53GHz Desktop for $339 after $200 rebate. It has AGP Slot, 4 PCI Slots, Intel 845PE chipset, 256MB DDR, 30GB HD, 48x CDRW or 16x DVD, 32MB Rage, Integrated NIC & Audio, XP Home, WordPerfect,
The Most Interesting Quote... (Score:5, Interesting)
Microsoft's attempt to "lock down" the Xbox's parts is a prelude to using similar techniques to keep PCs from running anything but Windows.
Could this really happen? How would Microsoft deny having a monopoly if they went this route?
Oh. You mean like a Mac? (Score:3, Insightful)
Unless they prevent me from building my own systems and running whatever I want on them, there's not an issue.
I wouldn't be shocked if MS came out with a WindowsPC. If they can put together a good PC at a good price, great for them.
Ben
Re:Oh. You mean like a Mac? (Score:2, Insightful)
if i wanted to, i could easily load four different linux/bsd distro's on an off-the-shelf mac
what the original post was talking about is:
how do you use linux, mac os x or solaris on your desktop in a world where every email in your organization (including the ones about brownies in the kitchen) *requires* palladium to read?
every hard-core tech could be forced to keep a windows computer on their desk (like me) even though their primary development platform is complet
Re:The Most Interesting Quote... (Score:2, Interesting)
With the Bush administration in power they don't have to worry about denying any monopoly. No one in the justice department cares.
Re:The Most Interesting Quote... (Score:4, Insightful)
That's not to say that I think people shouldn't be able to mod their Xboxen. As long as the person modding isn't pirating software then I myself don't see the big deal. But that quote from the article reads like the kind of paranoid spouting off that we read every day from posters on Slashdot...to those people, EVERYTHING is a "slippery slope."
The truth is that I think Microsoft wants to "lock down" the Xbox hardware so that people can't play pirated games and not as some sort of diabolical plot that has something to do with Windows, Office and the Illuminati. I consider their stance on this matter reasonable (though maybe not defensible) considering that any money they make from the Xbox comes from software licensing.
Hmmm.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Hmmm.... (Score:2)
Best Xbox hacking device (Score:5, Funny)
Nice PC... (Score:3, Funny)
$336 with a 120GB disk (Score:5, Insightful)
Make that more like $236, with no disk upgrade, which as I mentioned before is unnecessary. Actually, I think it will cost you a little MORE than that, though. It's $30 for a decent modchip, something that's updatable from a CD. You also have to pay shipping on cables to hook up USB, or you have to make cables out of Xbox extension cables and USB extension cables, which probably ain't much cheaper. Also, to get digital audio out of it you have to spend another $20. (That also gets you S-Video, though, it even comes with an S-Video cable to get you started... it's lousy but it works.)
Then again, you can get an Xbox used for $130. So maybe it's actually not so expensive. Why buy an Xbox with a warranty if you're just going to void it anyway?
Re:$336 with a 120GB disk (Score:5, Informative)
You can also, after using the buffer-overflow exploit upgrade the firmware in the bios by soldering two of the pins (I'm no X-Box hacker, so I'll not try to say which). So, you won't need a modchip.
You can get the 007 game at blockbuster for five bucks...
Re:$336 with a 120GB disk (Score:3, Insightful)
USA TODAY "research" (Score:5, Insightful)
And to the idiot that said XBox games look like Quake 2, well you're just that - an idiot. The XBox is the technically superior system. It also IMO has the best controler - too bad it's games suck =/
Re:USA TODAY "research" (Score:2)
I agree that the Xbox games selection leaves something to be desired.
Re:USA TODAY "research" (Score:3, Interesting)
I also prefer the smaller S controller, and you can trade in your 'big' original controller and pick up an 'S' controller for not much money.
Go to someplace like GameCrazy (in most hollywood Video stores) and trade in the 'Big' controller for credit towards the 'S' controller.
I traded in my PS1 with a few games and had enough credit to get a Refurbished XBOX with 1 year no question GameCrazy wa
X-Box Troll Handbook (Score:5, Funny)
By all means, if you run out of clever or interesting things to troll about, just bring up Mr Gates. Lots of people hate him and will be glad to agree with you.
Re:X-Box Troll Handbook (Score:2, Troll)
re:
# 3 - not all FPS on consoles EXCEPT (;-)) goldeneye are crap but many are. however, Goldeneye and Timesplitters 2 are both great and metroid prime (more of an adventure game that happens to be from the 1st person) is absolutely incredible. on the other hand, the "pride" of the xbox is Halo which i have played and have no desire to play again... very boring, very generic, etc and see #10
# 5 - the controller IS huge and very hard to use. especially compared to
Re:X-Box Troll Handbook (Score:5, Interesting)
I own all three of the current-gen systems, and every one of the XBox games I own are "XBox-exclusive". Halo is a great game, but you might also check out Buffy (basically a 3D Double Dragon with a decent storyline), Panzer Dragoon, Jet Grind Radio, Mech Assault, and Dead or Alive 3 (if fighting games are your thing).
Dead or Alive 3 was the only game I was interested in at launch (I was a fan of the prior games), and I put off buying the XBox until early last summer. Although I'd still recommend a GC or PS2 to someone who only wants one console (A PS2 would be my first inclination), the Xbox is a really solid game machine.
Re:X-Box Troll Handbook (Score:2, Interesting)
#5 The Original controller is large, but it is NO longer being shipped with XBoxes, they moved to the S Controller like 8 months ago. And again, if you already have the large controller, trade it for an S controller at any GameCrazy for a few dollars difference.
#7 This is a first version console, of course it will lag in sales compared to two console ma
Re:X-Box Troll Handbook (Score:4, Insightful)
No. Steel Battalion is reason enough to own an XBox, and it will never be released for anything else.
Re:X-Box Troll Handbook (Score:2)
Re:X-Box Troll Handbook (Score:5, Funny)
I was playing a game with it once, and it started vibrating, jumped right out of my hands, and severely wounded a small child. Also, it's strained my fingers so much, I'm starting to have problems 'viewing' my Natalie Portman image collection! I'm going to sue Bill Gates!
Sure, some of the games may have nice graphics, but the gameplay is absolutely shocking. I tried to play Halo, but it's nothing but a tech demo! You may not believe this, but it's actually impossible to shoot! I played for five minutes, and couldn't kill anything at all, so I took the game back to the shop. It has nothing on Goldeneye. I'm going to wait for the PC version, which should be much better.
Also, my son really wanted me to buy a console, so that he could play GTA3, so imagine my surprise when I found out it was not yet released on the Xbox! He had to undergo therapy for several weeks - but I'll get the money back from Bill Gates when I sue him.
I'm going to sell my XSocks on Ebay now. It'll probably cost me a lot in shipping, because it's really heavy. Bill Gates designed it that way, because he likes to hit immigrants over the head with his. I'll never buy another M$ product!
Re:X-Box Troll Handbook (Score:2)
Re:X-Box Troll Handbook (Score:2)
Actually, despite some people here thinking I am an anti-MS fundster, I still give MS their due - I like most of their hardware - I am using a MS optical mouse right now. The X box hackers must agree with me, or why would they bother? They want the MS hardware, plus the freedom to do what they want with it. MS office suites are quite good, and WinXP is a lot more stable than Win9x. I just don't like their product licencing and the lack of freedom that goes along with it. Also, I wouldn't dream of using
Re:Hmm, a troll about trolling. (Score:2, Funny)
Maybe I can start with the fragmented sentence or the incorrect comma usage?
Intelligence without tolerance is the ultimate oxymoron. - Unknown
TheNetAvenger
Fair Use (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, whatever you do to the Xbox should be considered fair use. When you mess with the hardware, all that MS should be able to do is deny you warrany. Car manufacturers already do this. Think of the people that modify their cars and put in turbos and superchargers. If/when their engine craps out, the dealership or whatever doesn't have to cover anything since what you did to your car has voided your warrany.
My point is MS has no right to take any legal action against any of these "illegal hacking" projects and should just leave them alone. Fair use is fair use.
Did ya get the memo? (Score:5, Informative)
Why would they want that? They make money from Live subscriptions and game sales. People who mod their XBox are unlikely to purchase either.
I agree that anyone who purchases an XBox should be free to do with it what they want, but to claim that mods are in Microsoft's best interest is wrong. MS will continue to support legislation that makes modifying these units illegal.
Re:Did ya get the memo? (Score:3, Insightful)
this is the subject line (Score:5, Funny)
2) still not beat competition
3) ???
4) total domination and billions of $$$
i REEEEAALLLY wish i knew step 3
Step 3 (Score:2)
Re:this is the subject line (Score:2)
Get an iMac. Then you will see that there is no step 3.
Meanwhile, a LEGAL and FUNCTIONAL PC (Score:3, Informative)
I'm sorry, I don't see the appeal of this?
Re:Meanwhile, a LEGAL and FUNCTIONAL PC (Score:2, Interesting)
The appeal behind all of this is that because MS released a "locked down" computer, please wanted to circumvent around those security devices and prove something to other. Also, its fun, you can show off, and its a good time waster.
Re:Meanwhile, a LEGAL and FUNCTIONAL PC (Score:5, Insightful)
Right now, the biggest complaint about Linux is "not enough games" (ok, maybe not the biggest, but one of the reasons that a lot of people are dual-booting). Once you can install Linux on your gaming console (PS2 or Xbox) you remove that reason for dual-booting. Now you've got a functioning Linux PC that you can reboot and use to play games with.
What's the difference between that and dual-booting? Well for one thing you only have to maintain one OS installation instead of 2.
Re:Meanwhile, a LEGAL and FUNCTIONAL PC (Score:5, Insightful)
Not that we haven't gone over this a thousand times on
XBox- Great graphics to a TV (which most people already have). Great stereo output.
WalMart PC- crappy video, crappy sound, cheap components all around. Still need to buy a monitor. Only available through mail order, that's at least $30 shipping (plus tax since Wal-Mart has a physical presence in your state). Doesn't fit in TV console, doesn't look good sitting on top of VCR. Doesn't play DVDs. Doesn't play xbox games. Doesn't play many games at all. Need to get IR mouse/kb or you can't use it from the couch.
You're probably too young to remember this, but the reasons the Commodore 64 sold so well was it was much cheaper than other computers, but mostly because you could plug it right into the TV. The IBM PCjr selling for $1000 was too expensive for most people, but a C64 and tape drive could be had for $200 (or less!) and plugged right into the TV. That's what introduced millions of us to computers- the fact we didn't need to buy an expensive monitor. And the awesome COLOR graphics, sound, the the sheer number of games available, put the C64 into many homes. Oh, and most retailers were willing to sell the C64 at a loss to get customers in to buy the accessories and games.
If MS were to market a "game" that consisted of Windows, Word and Excel, with a cheap xbox printer, I think it could create a HUGE market for the xbox, similar what happened with the C64.
Re:Meanwhile, a LEGAL and FUNCTIONAL PC (Score:2)
Re:Meanwhile, a LEGAL and FUNCTIONAL PC (Score:2)
Maybe you'll understand when you turn 18.
Healthy competition (Score:2, Funny)
On the same page as the article explaining how you can have a really compact PC for $336 by modding the x-box is an advertisement for Dell computers with free shipping.
That gets me thinking...maybe Microsoft needs to abandon the whole losing money on the xbox to compete with the playstation 2 strategy and start charging more for it and advertise the modding--and compete with companies such as Dell and Gateway :)
Re:Healthy competition (Score:2)
Ironic (Score:4, Funny)
Nice to see that Microsoft are taking the whole antitrust thing seriously and rolling out subsidised Linux based terminals
*Yes, except for the cut down version of the 2K kernel it ships with, I know.
Re:Ironic (Score:2)
Here's a wacked out idea... (Score:2)
Just a thought...
Re:Here's a wacked out idea... (Score:3, Insightful)
Tired of people that do not know arithmetic (Score:3, Insightful)
If you buy only the Xbox they are recouping 140 or wahtever dollars. Do the maths wise one.
Now, don't be stupid. This argument is the most idiotic one in the history of
If you want to hurt MS don't buy their products. If you want to hurt them even more, don't use their products at all (i.e. don't buy second hand, don't pirate stuff you criminal, drop their stuff as fast as you can).
I try to avoid people with shoddy legal and et
I can just see it now (Score:5, Funny)
you'd think... (Score:5, Insightful)
You'd think that MS would embrace this community and use thier advances as a selling point for the X-Box. Maybe they could make software of this type an official release. The whole idea of the media hub seems to be what most companies are moving towards today, so you would think that MS would want software of this type running on its system.
Re:you'd think... (Score:2)
Hence, any software like this competes with Microsoft and their attempts to play the DRM game.
Re:you'd think... (Score:2)
US Army likes XBox (Score:3, Interesting)
No, Pandemic likes XBox... (Score:3, Informative)
This doesn't mean that the Army's using X-Boxes as you're implying. It only means that Pandemic's making an X-Box version of the simulation based upon the Army's version that they supplied.
A new (and better) WebTV? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:A new (and better) WebTV? (Score:2, Informative)
However, you don't get Explorer and the other GUI applications of Win2k.
WindowsCE has some NT Core concepts in it, but it is another OS entirely.
dont understand.. (Score:2, Insightful)
Alright, im still having trouble with people selling others hardware products with the intentions of them using it for a specific purpose - and then suddenly its a punishable offense that they are going "attack". What business is it of theirs what I do with my XBox?
If these machines come with these kinds of restrictions I think we're still getting ripped
bah (Score:2)
Re:bah (Score:2)
Xbox's NV2X runs at 250 MHz. Highly-overclocked GF3Ti200s run at about 240MHz, but normally run at 175MHz. This is supposed to be more powerful (slightly) than a GF3, clock for clock. Hence, this should beat up on a GF4MX pretty nicely.
Other than that, you're right about the system. It should really have a DVD, h
Did it every occur to anybody.. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Did it every occur to anybody.. (Score:2)
I guess it's a plausible scenario, but on the other hand, they're pushing the DRM thing so hard it's difficult to imagine that it might be true.
On the other hand, the ideas of Machiavelli are both available in book form and reasonable things to come up with on one's own, if you catch my drift here. If M$ pushes DRM like a mad bastard for a while they can make some money out of it, then if things go wrong they can just change a bunch of officers and go open source and/or give up on DRM.
Big Xbox (Score:3, Funny)
XPe (Score:3, Informative)
Re:XPe (Score:5, Funny)
'box?!?! 'box?!?! C'mon! You're only contracting one freakin' letter! And come to think of it, by replacing the uppercase "X" with an apostrophe, you're not even saving yourself any keystrokes! =)
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I hacked my PS2 to run Linux (: (Score:3, Insightful)
If I had a good reason to hack an XBox I'd do it, but as it stands, it's best for playing video games. It would be fun to buy a bunch of XBoxes, mod them, and continue to screw Microsoft, though. Oh well.
Or (Score:2)
On the other hand, this is really cool for 2 reasons. One, it provides a real, legit, fair use reason for modchips. Two, it's gotta reall
Surprising (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm guessing you enjoy M$ dominating yet another industry?
Re:or... (Score:5, Insightful)
Wait a second...
Re:or... (Score:5, Insightful)
-video out quality isn't as good (nvidia's video out sucks, ati's is good but not as good as xbox)
-it's louder
-it's bigger
-it doesn't fit in with your other home entertainment stuff
-no optical digital output
-no rgb output
-slower boot time
If you want to spend 5-600$ or so for a loaded shuttle XPC (i got the nforce one) and another 100$ for a scan converter with component output, another 100$ for swank logitech wireless keyboard and optical mouse, then you'll have something worth comparing. This is almost exactly what I have, and it's nice. My only main complaint is the noise of the fan, but I have it hidden under my home entertainment system.
But saying a cheap system will do the same is naive.
Re:or... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:or... (Score:2)
Case $42 Foxconn 350W w/ USB ports
Mobo $70 Asus A7N266-VM AA
Proc $50 AMD Athlon XP 1700+
HSF $12 CPU Fan Diamond 2000
RAM $50 PNY 256 MB DDR 266
-coupon -$15
-MIR -$30
HDD $120 Maxtor 120 GB 7200 RPM
-coupon -$20
-MIR -$40
-refund -$25 for late delivery
CDRW $60 Lite-On 52x24x52 CD-RW
-MIR -$50
Kybd $20 Microsoft Internet Keyboard
-refund -$20 for late delivery
Total: $224
Yes, I already had a mouse, so that didn't cost anything. The ste
Re:or... (Score:2)
Re:or... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:or... (Score:2)
If this were about unique hardware like the PS2 or the GameCube, I'd agree with you. However, the XBOX is a PC. There's no value in tinkering here, worse there's no killer app that justifies 'fair use' of it. The only one that immediately pops into mind is a DivX movie player. Doh, we're treading into pirate waters here, doubtful the court'll support that.
Until there's that must have app that the XBOX runs best, every attempt to hack t
Not quite (Score:3, Insightful)
I think you meant to say that hacking the XBOX is a waste of your time. Also, the XBOX won't have a killer app. Apps are traditional applications and the XBOX runs games. As long as MS wants to sell these things cheaper than the cost of manufacture, people will want to buy it to potentially replace low end PCs, can't say I blame them.
Re:or... (Score:3, Insightful)
Also, as I have pointed out elsewhere; If you're going to hack it you need to open it, which invalidates your warranty. You might as well get a used xbox for $130 or refurb for $150; I don't know if those prices have gone down since the Xbox dropped to $180. A used Xbox is at least $50 cheaper than
Re:XBox hackers are wasting everyone's time. (Score:3, Insightful)
Unfortunately I don't think the 'because it's there' thought process will get anyone very far. At some point someone needs to realize that their time is worth more than needlessly wasting it on disassembling something with no value to them in the future whatsoever. I could take my television apart because I can as well; however outside of "WHOO HOO I TOOK APART MY TV!!! I AM SO SMART!" there is no socially redeeming value what
Re:Why teh X-Box sucks (Score:4, Interesting)
Xbox has had well documented periods where no good new games were released, but that's not a reason why the Xbox itself sucks. I've managed to find enough good (some great) games to make my Xbox purchase worth my while. Halo, for example, while being released before level design was finished, is still a smashing game. It single handedly proved FPSes can be great on a console.
Maybe I'm happy because I fall into that 10% catagory you mention, but to be fair, Nintendo has historically done a far worse job of making games for a wide audience than what Microsoft has done here, and Nintendo STILL has a long way to go. And Microsoft has some good MMORPG and RPG shit coming to help the cause. So sure Sony is the leader in game variety and overall game quality, but Microsoft isn't the runt of the litter by any means. Lack of games isn't all that big a deal for Xbox owners.
Online gameplay. Xbox Live wins hands down. At least Sony did SOMETHING, and that something works, but it's not on the same level.
So I fail to see how you can say the Xbox sucks so badly when it has the best hardware, and the best online setup. You didn't make very many points for me to draw comparisons on, but that's what I got. And your comparison of the Xbox to an Alienware isn't of interest to me. I can't Jabba The Hut it on the couch with an Alienware. Furthermore, that's apples and oranges.
Because consoles are not about GFX or Online.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Because consoles are not about GFX or Online... (Score:2, Informative)
Buffy, Kungfu Chaos, MechAssault, Halo, Castle Wolfensten, BaldersGate, etc, etc.
Halo isn't the 'only' good XBox game out there or I would just rent them when I wanted to play instead of buying them. Trust me...
Re:Why teh X-Box sucks (Score:3, Insightful)
no, goldeneye 007 for the n64 proved that. ask any college student
MOD PARENT UP (Score:2)
Denying monopoly (Score:2, Insightful)
By replacing the words "lock down" with "trusted computing"
Re:The most interesting quote from the article? (Score:3, Informative)
That quote is attributed to a kid who runs an XBox hacking site. What you're doing here is akin to saying "someone on Slashdot said that Microsoft is going to lock down PCs! How is Microsoft denying this?!?"
Not that I don't agree with the sentiment, but this quote doesn't come from anyone associated with Microsoft.
Re:Full text... (Score:3, Funny)
This guy must be a new hire who skipped employee orientation or something. Did anyone else feel the need to laugh when they read that?
Re:Full text... (Score:2)
This guy must be a new hire who skipped employee orientation or something. Did anyone else feel the need to laugh when they read that?
Standard corporate doublespeak.
Translated it means: "Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others" or maybe "Mod an XBox and the terrorists win". I'm not quite sure which, as I'm only a 3rd level corporate drone.
Re:Full text... (Score:2)
Sounds exactly like something MS would say to me. Others is obviously refering to the people who own the "intellectual property".
Else he would have said "We're very committed to respecting the user's rights to use others intellectual property". Or something to that effect--Which would be odd for someone from MS to say.
Re:What? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Yeah, (Score:2)
Re:The funny part.. (Score:2)
Re:Wow, $336! Save $3 over a 2.53GHz Dell! (Score:2)
There just is no way to describe the JOY of hacking an Xbox and loading Linux onto it.
It's a real poke in the eye for Bill Gate$ and that is worth it to me.
And there's the geek factor to consider too..
There are many benefits to hacking the xbox, most of them involve personal issues...