Blizzard North Co-Founders Leave Company 288
Thanks to several readers for pointing out a Reuters/Yahoo story discussing the departure of four key employees from Warcraft and Diablo developers Blizzard Entertainment. The article elaborates: "In a statement, Blizzard Entertainment said Blizzard North co-founders Erich Schaefer, Max Schaefer and David Brevik, along with a fourth employee, Bill Roper, 'resigned from the company to pursue other opportunities.'" With Bill Roper often the public face of Blizzard, and the Blizzard North co-founders being the original Diablo developers, this is a big deal for Blizzard owners Vivendi, as well as gamers everywhere, especially as Blizzard "is widely seen in the games industry as one of the most attractive assets of VU Games, which has been languishing on the auction block for months."
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I sort of suspect this might have been motivated (at least in part) by Viviendi-forced actions Blizzard has taken in the last year. I wish those four guys all the best, and I hope they remain out of reach of the Big Evils of the industry.
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If they were the ones who made the choice to leave, we would have heard a press statement from them about the new company they are moving to or forming, not a statement from Blizzard that they are "resigning."
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Who? (Score:2)
These people who make the decisions at the game company are the executives.
I'm sorry, did you mistaken "Blizzard" to be a 2 legged, human form that has feelings and can act good or evil, that thinks and reasons and u
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Reasons? (Score:5, Interesting)
Freenet! (Score:5, Funny)
Er...
Re:Reasons? (Score:2, Informative)
Um, no. The whole bnetd incident had nothing to do with this at all. Problems with VU seems so much more likely.
-Henry
Re:Reasons? (Score:2)
Re:Reasons? (Score:3, Interesting)
The day companies begin to suffer for stamping out cheaters is the day Microsoft releases a Linux becomes mainstream and Mac's dominate the PC market.
Re:Reasons? (Score:2)
Does Blizzard hate Linux? (Score:5, Funny)
Not quite...another penguin... (Score:2, Interesting)
This means War! FreeWar(non-registered foreign TM) for you, Blizzard!
Re:Does Blizzard hate Linux? (Score:5, Funny)
Not exactly.
In games like these, the best mobs pop the 'leetest loot, you see. So what they're really saying is that Linux r00lz0rz! P3|\|6|/\|z r0xx0rz! M|_|4h4h4h4h!
Re:Does Blizzard hate Linux? (Score:2)
Ah, damn. Well as you can tell I haven't wasted much time on that game.
Re:Does Blizzard hate Linux? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Does Blizzard hate Linux? (Score:2)
It's just a penguin.
I hope.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I hope.. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I hope.. (Score:2)
Diablo2 was down from Diablo1. WC3 I have not even bought. Though I applaud the effort. I do not see them going up hill with their next title, especially after this.
I wonder.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I wonder.. (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:I wonder.. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I wonder.. (Score:2, Informative)
Check near the bottom for the part about Blizzard North.
Oh great (Score:2, Funny)
I found 'em (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I found 'em (Score:2)
The wrong questions being asked (Score:5, Insightful)
When high level folks like this leave, its usually because someone is giving them money to go off and do their own thing under a different banner/console.
Re:The wrong questions being asked (Score:3, Funny)
Hold me.
sob...
Re:The wrong questions being asked (Score:4, Insightful)
That or Vivendi is paying them to leave and to keep their mouths shut. In any case, we'll likely know the truth in the days to come (if only by their silence).
Re:The wrong questions being asked (Score:5, Funny)
Oh come on, those answers are so boring. I want to know: Did they leave to found a private space exploration company? Are they going to colonize mars? Are they going to run a daytime cooking show on PBS?
Re:The wrong questions being asked (Score:2, Funny)
Someone mod this one funny, please.
You got the wrong post... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:The wrong questions being asked (Score:2)
Re:The wrong questions being asked (Score:5, Funny)
I'm curious too. (Score:3, Interesting)
What were their reasons? I also wonder why twenty of the lead developers working on Medal of Honor: Allied Assault [eagames.com] left an Electronic Arts funded studio to found Infinity Ward [infinityward.com]. Is it really the money, or is it something else? I have no knowledge in this field, so if anyone has any inside information or pertinent experience, please post, I'd love to hear it.
As far as the
Re:The wrong questions being asked (Score:3, Interesting)
You see it alot of times where people will start a business, then sell it for a huge profit, stick around for a while then leave to start another business.
Most people who start businesses do so because they want to see if they can do it, if they can create business they are not really wanting to work for someone else, however the profits from selling a business are usally really good, so they do that. Then they decide they still don't like working for somone else
Fresh GameSpot interview with Bill Roper (Score:2, Informative)
Basically he says they made the decision to leave as a result of very recent events. If I understand it correctly it has to do with them not having enough influence over the direction of the company. The group have not decided exactly what they want to do, but want to continue working together in a new company. They are not bound by any non-comptetion agreements or similar.
Re:PEDANTIX SEMANTIX CLASSIC REDUX (Score:2)
My real fear is how important was Roper in WoW? (Score:5, Insightful)
SW:G overpromised, underdelivered. AC2 was crap. Shadowsbane was buggy trash. WoW sounds and looks great and I have yet to read a bad slant on it from anyone's whos played it.
MMORPG Game developers are allowed to release complete shit and promise that it'll be fixed on the backs of the monthly fees people are forced to pay to fund the game to a fun/playable state if it ever gets there.
I hope and pray that WoW can be the game that all of us old school players have been waiting for since this drought of lousy 2nd generation games. I want WoW to be the game I can point to and say "See, that's the way you do it" and blizzard is the one company I know of that has never failed to deliver a great, fun game.
I know Roper was a lead on the management of WoW. I hope he's not leaving because of an imminent M$ buyout or something along those lines that might totally corrupt Blizzard.
Here's hoping.
Re:My real fear is how important was Roper in WoW? (Score:2, Interesting)
incorrect. you just haven't the skill to take advantage of the game. i know a LOT of people who say this and they all say it for one reason: SWG isn't Everquest in space.
It was never promised as such, yet everyone felt it would be this.
I say its a great game, I play it often and I love it.
Re:My real fear is how important was Roper in WoW? (Score:2, Informative)
There are lots of MMORPGs that will be able to compete with WoW, even though they lack its clout.
Re:My real fear is how important was Roper in WoW? (Score:4, Informative)
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Er, that was Lincoln, in the Emancipation Proclamation. JMS did a bit of borrowing in some of those speeches.
</pedantic>
Re:My real fear is how important was Roper in WoW? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:My real fear is how important was Roper in WoW? (Score:2, Interesting)
Most MMORPGs I know come with a month (or so) of free gaming time. During this month you have plenty of time to decide whether or not you like the game. I didn't like DAoC and eventually decided I don't really like EverCrack, either. If it's not fun, who, exactly, is forcing you to play it?
Re:My real fear is how important was Roper in WoW? (Score:2)
Personally, I'd rather pay for the first month but not have to pay the retail box fee unless I wind up sticking with the game. $50 is a lot to shell out for what can easily turn out to be a month of buggy servers and slow patch downloads. I don't mind that they're doing the "have their cake and eat it, too" pricing model (and I understand why it's som
NCAs? (Score:4, Insightful)
Then either it's not in the gaming industry, or they never signed NCA's(Non Competition Agreement)...
They started the company! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:NCAs? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't know of anyone in the gaming industry that has ever signed a non-competition agreement. Imagine, let's say, a 3D engine programmer, that has been doing that for the last 5 years. His skills would not be that useful for a CAD/Rendering company, since outside of the basic math behind it, he'd have to learn plenty of new skills. Thus, the only major options are another gaming company and NVIDIA/ATI. Who'd be crazy enough to sign an agreement that said that you can only work for less than a handful of companies if you ever quit? Certainly no game programmer I know.
Re:NCAs? (Score:2)
N.
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I had a no-compete clause in a contract some years ago that specified "no similar industry within 50 miles" (aimed at their competitors across town). A lawyer later told me that even that limited NCA wasn't legal in California.
Toodles!
Re:NCAs? (Score:2, Interesting)
More commonly, it's a euphemism for "we forced them to resign and they probably have nothing else lined up yet."
FreeCraft (Score:3, Funny)
Yes, I'm joking.
I'm interested... (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:I'm interested... (Score:2)
Who do I boycot now?? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Who do I boycot now?? (Score:2)
The conversation went as follows... (Score:5, Funny)
3rd Guy: "Come on! Follow me!"
2nd/4th Guy: "We're ready, master...I'm not ready!"
Vivendi Universal: "Help Me!"
4th Guy: "Time to Die!!!"
Vivendi Universal: "uh...oops! Forgive me!"
All 4 Guys: "Die!"
Blizzard -- an empty shell of a company (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm interested in seeing where these folks go. Will they join their brethren at arena.net? Will they found their own company? Will they walk off with their massive paychecks from Warcraft3 and sit in Hawaii sipping drinks with 3 digit proofs all day? Only time will tell.
Re:Blizzard -- an empty shell of a company (Score:3, Insightful)
So saying all that, what innovative techniques are they using to make online gaming better? They haven't made anything yet, Daikatana was also promised to be some great good thing and was started by people in a similiar situ
Re:Blizzard -- an empty shell of a company (Score:2)
If it did I will concede that it means nothing, but I would imagaine that if a game gets best in show it should be relativly good if it comes out int he next year or so.
Great! (Score:3, Funny)
What about the 1.10 patch? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What about the 1.10 patch? (Score:2, Interesting)
Not a huge deal (Score:3, Interesting)
It's fairly common for key figures to leave the nest after experiencing some success; this is why exclusive contracts exist. Though usually only founders are placed under such deals. It's almost as common, however, for key game developers to start again elsewhere and flop in a large way.
Note that EA, perhaps the most successful games publisher, has been successfully buying franchises for years (Sims, C&C, etc).
trivia (Score:5, Interesting)
On the subject of these employees leaving... Well, I'll just quote Cain.... "This does not bode well..."
Heh... at least, not for Blizzard... But I'm sure their talents will be put to just as much use wherever they end up.
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Didn't just voice Hadriel (Score:2)
"Yes, my lord." That's Bill Roper doing a British accent for you. All the now-famous Orc phrases are also him..."Tagu!"
Because of his role in the creation of the first two WarCraft games, I consider Bill Roper sort of the heart of Blizzard. To me, his leaving means the company isn't really Blizzard anymore.
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I forgot to mention, though, guess who else Bill Roper voiced?
DIABLO HIMSELF!
I'm floored (Score:5, Funny)
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Developers of the critically acclaimed DIABLO franchise announced today that they have formed [Insert name here], a new development studio located in [city, state]. The studio, which will focus on state-of-the-art multiplayer content for PC and next generation console platforms, was formed by four veteran Blizzard developers, who played various roles in the creation of DIABLO.
"[New company name] is an all-star team whose members have a solid history and reputation for developing groundbreaking titles," said [insert developer], [insert new job title] and co-founder. "With the establishment of this company, we renew our commitment to the development of fresh concepts in the online gaming arena, and we look forward to pushing the industry in new and exciting directions."
Like the template? This same one has been sucessfully used to launch every new game company and is available for use under the GPL license.
Blizzard isn't the sacred cow of gaming anymore (Score:5, Insightful)
Why it sucks (Score:2)
As far as I can tell, the only variations in strategy allowed in the game are such
Re:Blizzard isn't the sacred cow of gaming anymore (Score:2)
Their objectives to not match. The only reason to allow the purchase is for the execs to make money, but essentially they sold out their employees in doing so. Now they will use the money from the purchase to start their own thing again.
I expect many faithful employees to follow along. Its the right thing to do
Quantity does not mean Qaulity (Score:2)
Anyways, Warcraft3 was 3d and tried to live up to it's successor. But no matter how hard you try, the "old skools" won't like sequels. So it has 800,000 games sold(don't know if that's reall
Meh (Score:2)
Tim
not anymore (Score:5, Funny)
Not anymore.
This has happened before at Blizzard. (Score:5, Informative)
So, Blizzard has survived a previous walkout... they have since churned out Warcraft 3, Diablo 2, a few expansion packs, and are nearly done with WoW. Will they survive this? I believe so. I'm wondering if they will be able to come up with original content, or if it will be infected by suits who continue to pimp out the the Warcraft/Diablo franchise ad infinum.
Now if only... (Score:2)
They could start developing what they wanted again, without an evil empire dictating to them.
Re:Now if only... (Score:2, Interesting)
and if you call Oni bad you must be on crack.. for its time it was a great game... try reading a few game revievs of newer 3rd person fighting/sneaking games and you'll often see statements in the style of "gameplay, camera and controls are not as good as Oni"
Shaefer (Score:3, Funny)
Man, all I hope is that my Level 89 Barbarian with two Schaefer's Hammers [diabloii.net] (Shael'ed) doesn't get nerfed now when they finally release 1.10
Bill Roper Interview (Score:4, Interesting)
Footsteps in the sand (Score:3, Insightful)
For a company like Blizzard, this can mean two things:
1) They have a working learning organization that is not dependant on star players or heros. In this case, younger talent will grow to take the place of the older and the company will evolve.
2) They (like 90% of the software business) has never gotten around to create a real engineering process, and as such is dependant on specific persons. In this case, the success will follow the talent and Blizzard will be deminished by this loss.
From what I can tell about Blizzard from playing their games, I think they are closer to alternative 1. One can see a steady refinement of their game ideas from the first War Craft up to WCIII. I believe they will be affected by the loss of talent, but it increases the chances of seeing new and innovative ideas in their future games.
Fleeing sequel-itis? (Score:2)
Re:Fuck! (Score:5, Informative)
Neither WoW or SC2 are developed by Blizzard North, but Blizzard "South" (usually just called "Blizzard"). These are two separate divisions that form Blizzard Entertainment.
Blizzard North has only done Diablo I and II so far.
Blizzard "South" has done all Warcraft and Starcraft games, and the older Rock & Roll Racing, Lost Vikings, etc.
Re:Fuck! (Score:2)
Re:Hm... (Score:5, Interesting)
This is the equivalent of Hawkins/Dubinsky/Collings leaving Palm to found Handspring in 1998. Or Alan Cox saying he's bored with Red Hat and going to do something else. (Not a perfect analogy, but you get the idea.)
I'm wondering what is happening with Chris Metzin. Wasn't he a mover and shaker in the Warcraft/Starcraft arena? (All the artwork is credited to him in the manuals, and didn't he help with the story line?)
Re:Hm... (Score:5, Informative)
Although it is tough to separate their individual contributions from those of Blizzard as a whole, they have inarguably produced highly influential games. Significantly, those games have also sold enormous volumes (basically equal in numbers to the Lara Croft series and the GTA series... i.e. several millions of copies of each release).
What is means is that the value of Blizzard just dropped a bit, although perhaps not as much as some are suggesting... a lot of their value resides in their name, their "goodwill" as it is called. And for the masses, who will never even hear of this, the name Blizzard will continue to by synonomous with outstanding games that are probably the least buggy/best supported in the industry (that is sure to get me flamed or modded down!).
It might also mean that some interesting games are in the future assuming you dont buy the theory that Bill ruined WC3. At very least, their departure is a big loss for Blizzard (again, WC3 aside) and a big gain for themselves or some other studio.
Re:Hm... (Score:2, Interesting)
For most people that didnt spend hundreds of hours with SC, WC3 is pretty damn good. Its learning c
Re:DIALBOs Curse (Score:3, Interesting)
Here is a comic that sums things up pretty well:
http://darkness.diabloii.net/rrcomic4.shtm
You know what the funniest part of it is? The date.