GameCube Outsells PS2, Xbox After Price Cut 159
Thanks to Gamesindustry.biz for their story that the GameCube outsold the PlayStation 2 by 20 per cent in the U.S. last week, as well as "racking up more than twice the sales of the Xbox - with a 145 per cent lead over Microsoft's console", following the GameCube price cut to $99 of a couple of weeks back. The piece suggests "we'd expect to see the console slip behind the PS2 in the rankings next week", but also argues that "...unless Microsoft reacts to the recent price-cuts, it could be outsold by the Cube this Christmas in the USA, as Nintendo rolls out one of its strongest ever ranges of first and third party titles."
Viewtiful Joe Helped (Score:4, Informative)
But, this game rocks. 2D side scrolling action to its finest. It is not an easy game (almost NES era hard), but it is just so fun, you enjoy replaying it just to see whats next. Highly recommended.
Re:Viewtiful Joe Helped (Score:1)
Of course, there are other games that I would be interested in on the GC. Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros, F-Zero, Mario Kart and Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles.
Re:Viewtiful Joe Helped (Score:2)
Look at the GC sales spike after Zelda, and the current one. It's just the price cut, not any particular title, the lets Nintendo move candle trucks of these things.
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Re:Viewtiful Joe Helped (Score:2)
Capcom's site lists it as a "pre-order". Either it's out of date, or it would tend to explain why a lot of stores don't carry it.
P.S. Pet peeve - it's "a lot", not "alot". You wouldn't write "alittle" or "abit", now would you?
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P.S. Pet peeve - internet spelling nazis
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Why didn't you preorder? (Score:2)
Preordering is buying the game before it comes out, so you won't not get a copy. Especially after how Gabe couldn't get a bunch of games he wanted (because he didn't preorder), I'm still surprised how people won't preorder games they want.
Re:Why didn't you preorder? (Score:1)
A short-term gain only (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:A short-term gain only (Score:4, Interesting)
As for $50 per game, that's probably one of the additional benefits of coming into the system later: there are plenty of low-priced games worth buying, whether new or used. Sure, people will want some of the newest games, but there are still plenty of top-notch games in the $20-30 range (and I have seen Eternal Darkness lower than that quite a bit lately, ~$12-16).
Right now, my PS2's getting most of the play because I recently picked up Amplitude. Before that, I hadn't played it much at all in a few months (and then mostly PS1 games). Of course, who really cares how many of the people now buying Cubes have PS2s? They're buying Cubes, it must mean they see something worthwhile, even if it's just a small number of titles and the price of the system. If they already have a PS2 and they're buying a Cube, there must be a reason for that purchase, because it's not like they don't already have a console (hell, I have a DC, PS2, XBox, and Cube, what does it really matter?).
MOD Parrent Up!! (Score:1)
Re:A short-term gain only (Score:2)
But, between PS2 and GameCube I can. Playstation2 has more than twice the games out for it than the gamecube. Yes there are some crossover titles but those dont count. Sony is missing the boat by NOT porting over their giant-hits from the PS1 catalog. Crash Bandicoot racing, a GOOD bandicoot game, not the crap they came out with for the ps2. etc...
Basically I'm finding that the
Re:[OT: Why an XBox?] (Score:2, Informative)
It made sense at the time
For the most part, I use my PS2 for RPGs, my GC for the exclusive titles, and the XBox for multi-platform titles. I also like the orig
Re:A short-term gain only (Score:2)
Exactly.
Three months of hardware sales is not particularly significant. The PS2 has an installed base that dwarfs that of GC and X-box, and titles will sell accordingly.
It's like Linux -- Linux is gaining desktop marketshare, but Windows has a freaking large installed base.
The positions are going to remain fixed Sony well ahead, then Microsoft slightly ahead of Nintendo) until the next generation of co
Re:A short-term gain only (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:A short-term gain only (Score:1, Troll)
That's not true. I was arguing about the absolute number of sales -- the sum total sales of all games. The breakdown of those sales -- whether Donkey Kong Country 5 sells 98% of GC title sales or whether it only makes up 5% of GC title sales -- doesn't change the ranking of to
Re:A short-term gain only (Score:2)
For the hell of it, I'll respond.
You ignored the important point of my post regarding customer perception of Nintendo's success and the fact that increased sales will be greater than a short term gain
Your "important point" had absolutely nothing to do with arguing against what I said. I said "until the next generatio
Re:A short-term gain only (Score:2)
Truth is, dvd players are better, hands down. Do you not think it's possible that the GC might make a comeback, regardless?
Re:A short-term gain only (Score:2)
No. Aside from the fact that media formats have very little to do with the console market, I was talking about the total number of installed users. The closest analogy would be that if 1% of people have DVD players, and DVD players sell like hotcakes for three months, after which time 2% of people have DVD players, there are probably going to be fewer DVD titles sold at the end of the three months than VHS
Many will indeed be second systems... (Score:3, Interesting)
I think the GC will come out of this console war OK in terms of profit. The bigger question is perception going into the next round. If people feel like they got a good deal on a GameCube, it may mean Nintendo will have a better shot next time.
This price cut will make money now and later.
Denied (Score:1)
Re:A short-term gain only (Score:2)
I RENT a lot of games for my gamecube.
I'm a casual gamer, working for a living and having a life tends to get in the way of my gaming habit. >:( I haven't bought a PS/2 because of the strength of the GC titles that are available. Hell, I bought Metroid Prime back in December and I'm about 20% of the way through the game. That's pretty casual.
The second reason I haven't purchased a PS/2 or an XBox is the LACK of a price drop in those two consoles. They ALMOST had me fooled
I wonder why it wasn't first all along (Score:2)
I don't know why the xbox was ever in the running. What a crappy console.
I'm askin
camecube? (Score:1)
Re:camecube? (Score:1)
camecube? *chuckle*
You base your choice of system on the uptime at the local walmart?
When I bought my system I based the decision on:
price of games popular games
# of good games available
upcomming releases
backward compatability (ps1 games on ps2)
sideways compatability (gba on gamecube)
retailer rating (amazon, etc...)
what friends & family own (play my saved games at their place)
Re:camecube? (Score:2)
Re:camecube? (Score:2)
And, yes, when I go by the game sections in places like Wal-Mart, the Xbox normally has either "The disk is dirty or scratched" screen up, or the "Your Xbox is in need of service, call 1-800-4MY-XBOX" screens.
I've never had any of these problems on my personal Xbox, either, but I have seen the Xboxes down and out at retail outlets with demo machines.
Thursdae
Re:camecube? (Score:2)
At one of the K-Marts i've been to, they replaced it, and now it runs great. Played some MotoGP 2 on it, no problems (other than the controler, which they havn't replaced with the Controller S yet)
If your local store Xbox doesn't work, they're simply too lazy to send it back.
Guessing... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Guessing... (Score:2)
Re:Guessing... (Score:1)
In Canada, here are the latest stats on installed base, as reported [gamasutra.com] by GamaSutra on Oct 1st: PlayStation 2: 2.5 million units
Xbox: 900,000 units
GameCube: 700,000 units
I assume the ratios are similar in the States.
Re:Guessing... (Score:1)
OK, I stand corrected...
Re:Guessing... (Score:1)
Re:Guessing... (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.gamespy.com/icfj/september03/import7
5.8 mill in north america for XBox.
4.6 mill in north america for the GC.
Re:Guessing... (Score:1)
"The Gamecube and XBox have similar numbers in terms of units shipped. And compared to the PS2, they're both at the same level."
You didn't say the had similar numbers compared to the PS2 (I would have agreed with you). You said they have similar numbers on their own. I hardly call approx. a 20% difference in shipments similar.
I know your excited to critique other posters, but please ready your own comments first.
Makes a Great Second Console (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Makes a Great Second Console (Score:1)
Price cut = good thing for GC (Score:3, Interesting)
Honestly now... I know that GameCube games *look* childish, and I'm not going to deny that, but give them a shot. Most of them are a complete blast to play and they're great party games. Like the "monkey fight" game in Super Monkey Ball. It's very simple to play, but when you're trying your hardest to keep your friends from knocking you out of the ring with a big boxing glove, it's actually pretty fun. And other games like Zelda or F-Zero GX are very polished and just great all-around games since there's not a lot out there like them in general.
I hope this trend continues. More people will find out just how good the Cube really is.
TCO (Score:2)
Re:TCO (Score:3, Informative)
Re:TCO (Score:1, Interesting)
It sounds to me like you are all forgetting about used games. GameStop, EB, eBay... you can find great games at good prices. Why spend the extra money? If you have the disposable income, go for it and buy what you want. I have yet to be disappointed in the GC. Jus
Re:TCO (Score:2)
Accessories are also cheaper (extra controllers, A/V adapters).
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Re:TCO (Score:2)
Re:TCO (Score:2)
Spoken like a true non-Cube owner. The Cube also has many games at $30 or less. Check their list of "Player's Choice" games [nintendo.com] for a few (there are many more). There are plenty of quality titles for the Cube at $30 or less. Personally, I bought a Cube a few mo
Re:TCO (Score:1)
The price drop on the Game Cube was acompanied by price drops on some of the best Game Cube games.
I went into a Futureshop in Canada and bought a Game Cube, Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime, and a second controller and 2 memory cards for $252 CDN (after tax).
For comparison, Xbox with Amped, Halo and a single controller S costs $279.00 +Tax (Around $320.00 CDN total).
GC games $40 new! (Score:1)
The gamecube is very cheap to own right now.
Numbers (Score:4, Informative)
Gamecube 64,405
Playstation2 53,834
XBox 26,290
However, I don't think that includes all retailers, hence Nintendo sticking with the percentage rather than a total number. And, this is the second week of the price drop. As I understand it, the sales were even higher the first week.
Re:Numbers (Score:1)
The money console manufacturers make are all off software so if Nintendo can greatly increase their user base before the holiday season, they'll make a killing in software sales.
Re:Numbers (Score:1)
Re:Numbers (Score:2)
Re:Numbers (Score:2)
Who knows for sure....
At $99 each.... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:At $99 each.... (Score:2)
Re:At $99 each.... (Score:2)
A g3 cluster of $100 boxes that are the size of 3 5.5" drives... sweet deal.
Well... (Score:3, Insightful)
However, come the end of november you won't be able to find a cube ANYWHERE. Every little kid without a game system is going to be getting a gamecube for xmas. The installed base is about to go up. Way up.
Re:Well... (Score:1)
Ahh, memories! Gradius, Contra, Heavy Gear, Castlevania, Blaster Master, Metroid... Good times, good times.
Re:Well... (Score:1)
Re:Well... (Score:1)
If your looking for a serious challenge, Mario Sunshine is rather fun. The levels
Re:Well... (Score:1)
Re:Well... (Score:1)
When it came down to it however, I loved the plot and thought the ending was fantastic, and most importantly, had fun while getting there.
As
Re:Well... (Score:1)
Nethack! Of course you'll be working your way onto your first quest level by then - and dying shortly after.
Thanks for the list. It gives me another console to consider.
Re:Well... (Score:2)
Metroid Prime. I beat it in 18 hours the first time through, but only had 83% of all the upgrades.
Eternal Darkness. It only takes about 10 hours to beat each story branch, but it has 3 distinct story branches, and the true ending is only had after beating all 3.
Skies of Arcadia Legends. Damn, if you spend the time to find EVERYTHING in this game, it can take you well over 60 hours to complete. And it's a damn fun Jap
Re:Well... (Score:1)
I think I've been playing open ended games for too long.
Nintendo's going to cash out big on this deal. (Score:3, Insightful)
On a side note, I picked up Legend of Zelda, Metroid Prime and Eternal Darkness with my cube and have been playing Zelda non stop for the past week. Great fun, totally justified the Console purchase. The other 2 games are still in the shrink wrap..greatly underappreciated system.
Not Exactly (Score:2)
Nintendo's going to need quite a few more big weeks like this before they surpass the Xbox in the US.
And when Halo 2 releases - online play and all - the GameCube is in for a rude awakening. (And I don't say that as a Halo fan, because I am not. But both the Xbox and Xbox Live are going to surge on the strength of that, just as games like SOCOM II and Gran Turismo
Re:Not Exactly (Score:2)
Re:Not Exactly (Score:2)
Does the GC have an Ethernet port? No.
Has you ever seen a GC Ethernet adapter in a store? I never have.
Re:Not Exactly (Score:2)
Re:Not Exactly (Score:2)
Those same people are likely to get the sequel, but they already have an XBox and they aren't going to be moving consoles. Not in the same way a price cut, or an established *older generation* upgrade to a series would.
I doubt that Halo 2 will win over nearly as
Re:Not Exactly (Score:1)
Online play will definitely be attractive to a few niche groups(PC converts who
Re:Not Exactly (Score:2)
"With 780,000 network adapters sold, and an installed base of around 50+ million, we see that the PS2 network adapter's market penetration among PS2 owners is only at around 1.5%, or less. With 500,000 Xbox Live subscribers, and a user base of around 9 million Xboxes, we can see that the market penetration of Xbox Live among Xbox owners is only at around 5.5%, or less. And without adequate figures for Nintendo's adapters, we can only speculate on the mar
Re:Nintendo's going to cash out big on this deal. (Score:1)
But that would have lasted a week or so until Sony and Nintendo got together and disemboweled Microsoft with anti-dumping laws.
Great Deal? (Score:3, Interesting)
I do have to say that I think the majority of the success is partially due to the "Player's Choice" selection.... You get a Gamecube for $99, and a Gamer's Choice game for $30... Can't beat that deal.
I'm glad that the price drop has allowed the GameCube to pick up that much needed momentum for people to finally realize just how under appreciated this system really is.
Re:Great Deal? (Score:2)
On the other hand for $99 you can choose what games you want to buy, and get the necessary memory card for a grand total of $120.
Never underestimate the power of free choice.
Not only that but who's to say that you'll buy games, you can always rent.
What I think it comes down to is what the cost "Looks" like. $50 might not seem like much when you're single but I bet it's more significan
People are strange. (Score:2)
Not to mention nobody seems to have noticed that even back in the $150 days, you could get a $90 refurb cube from a place like gamestop, and if you waited for a sale, you got a cube AND a game for $90. That's how I picked mine up!
I think it's not so much the price as it is the marketing campaign. It's like people just didn't know you could get $90 cubes a ye
Re:Great Deal? (Score:2)
I debated on that deal, but I chose to wait till the cube dropped to $99. Why? Because I could then pick up a cube and a couple of used games for the same $150. I got my GC, Metroid Prime, and Star Wars Rogue Squadron II for under $140.
I don't understand people paying $50 for games... I wait for used or for clearance. Metroid Prime is a fantastic game, and all I had to do was wait a year to pick it up for under $20. Now I'll play it until the next great game drops to under $20.
True Console of Gamers (Score:1)
It's the games (Score:2)
One good reason to buy a GameCube is because Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike [lucasarts.com] is only available for the GC. It's got all the Rogue Squadron II missions as two player co-op missions, and a whole load of new stuff. Just look! [gamespot.com]
Other must-haves (in my case 'have-gots') are:
Ikaruga [gamespot.com] an old skool 2D shooter
The Sims [gamespot.com] works well on the console platform, and has a 'mission' mode.
Nightfire [gamespot.com] be James Bond! (at least until Everything or Nothing [gamespot.com] comes o
Re:It's the games (Score:1)
Re:It's the games (Score:2)
Re:It's the games (Score:2)
I played more Ikaruga last night, and got to a spot on the third level where the walls started closing in. I immediately thought of the old classic game Life Force (aka Salamander). The first thing that came to my mind was "Man. I forgot that they used to make games like that." All I could do was smile. Ikaruga is such a great gaming experience. Be prepared to get slaughtered by it. In
Old-School cool (Score:1, Insightful)
Looking at the games I'm sure alot of the mid-20 year olds who grew up with the original NES are in the same boat. I was a huge TMNT fan, and guess what is coming out for GC next month, a new TMNT game. Also, I spent alot of time in college playing MarioCart on the N64, and low and behold they are putting a new version of th
Have some game prices... (Score:1)
Viewtiful Joe - $40
A 2D action platformer. Showcases the true capabilities of the system. There's Nothing else like it.
F-Zero GX - $50
Easily the fastest racing game of all time. Really.
Soul Caliber 2 - $50
Fight as Link!
Metroid Prime - $30
Third Best [gamerankings.com] game of all time.
Pikmin - $20
Innovative Real-time strategy. Shigeru Miyamoto [wikipedia.org]'s first Gamecube game.
Super Smash Broth
Re:Have some game prices... (Score:2)
Innovative Real-time strategy. Shigeru Miyamoto's first Gamecube game.
Not quite. Miyamoto made Luigi's Mansion, which was a launch title.
Re:Have some game prices... (Score:2)
Donkey Kong Jr. - $2.99
Mario Bros. - $2.99
Excitebike - $2.99
"Third best game of all time" (Score:2)
Not to ruffle any feathers but any list that has Halo, GTA 3 and Tony Hawk in the top ten games of all time is not exactly a list I want to trust for my game buying decisions. They are all fairly decent games, true, but none of them is particularly amazing in terms of gameplay or innovation (well, maybe GTAIII is a bit innovative).
However, Soul Calibur outranks Streetfighter? Metroid Prime outranks Quake/Doom? Tony Hawk outranks anything? Also, one PC game and 9 console games... I think not!
Re:"Third best game of all time" (Score:2)
civilisation
syndicate
transport tycoon
UFO: enemy unknown/XCOM
civilisation II
syndicate wars
railroad tycoon
microprose grand prix 2
quake
quake 3
unreal tournament
command and conquer: red alert
total annihilation
red alert 2 (Many PC gamers cite this as the best real time strategy game ever)
deus ex
civilisation III
sam and max hit the road
indiana jones and the fate of atlantis
rainbow six and r6:rogue spear
x-wing
system shock
And that's just off the top of my head. To put that in perspective, I own
Re: the Cube (Score:2, Insightful)
The Game Cube is portable, has fantastic graphics and the most comfortable controller ever made. For 99 bucks, everybody should buy one and give them to a kid that they know.
mediocre ports (Score:2)
So, when talking of mediocre ports I think the Cube can't really be exempted.
Reasons for gain (Score:2)
Most of the games for N64 are for kids, now the enthusiasts with some extra cash are willing to pony up to play the games that remind us of our gaming youth.
How is that. (Score:1)
Re:How is that. (Score:1)
99$ Backfire (Score:1)
Re:99$ Backfire (Score:1)
I'll be buying another one... (Score:2)
I hope the next Nintendo console has dual monitor support. That'd be slick.
Re:I'll be buying another one... (Score:2)
What a change of luck! (Score:1)