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Red Orchestra, UT2003 Mod, Released 191

Posted by michael from the real-sucking-chest-wounds dept.
Neophytus writes "The first public edition of the long awaited Red Orchestra mod for Unreal Tournament 2003 has been released. 'Red Orchestra brings you in-depth infantry combat on the Eastern Front of WWII. With the emphasis on realism and authenticity, the Soviet Red Army meets the German Army on the ground across battlefields from Kiev through Stalingrad and on to the Reichstag in Berlin. Real weapons. Real battles. Real soldiers.' Download from FilePlanet (free reg. req.), FasterFiles, more."
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  • Uhmm right.. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Hott of the World ( 537284 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @06:40PM (#7186426) Homepage Journal
    While I can respect a free Unreal Tourney mod set in the WW2 universe, I must ask this:

    Doesnt this add to an already overblown selection of World War 2 based FPS's?

    Heck the best thing about the Desert Combat mod for 1942 is that its NOT about WW2!

    • Re:Uhmm right.. (Score:2, Informative)

      by Locmar ( 653979 )
      There are quite a few WWII FPSs out there, true, but most of them are pretty Quakey and unrealistic, and none that I know of have treated the Eastern Front with due respect.
      • ..and none that I know of have treated the Eastern Front with due respect

        Then allow me to recommend Battlefield 1942 [battlefield1942.com]. As realistic as these things come without losing gameplay. And lots of Yak's, Katyushas and whatnot from the eastern campaign.

        • Though in all fairness I've never actually played it, doesn't BF 1942 just give the Russians American weapons? I know on the back of the box, there's a prominent picture of Russian holding a BAR. That's not what I call 'due respect' or 'realism' :p
        • Realistic ? Mmm hmmm. It's all about the gameplay, but it is rpetty cool.

          If you want it real, try IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles [il2sturmovik.com]. It's a Russian-developed flight-sim, very realistic, absolutely gorgeous, and it covers pretty much the entire Eastern Front.

    • Re:Uhmm right.. (Score:4, Insightful)

      by randyest ( 589159 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @07:18PM (#7186639) Homepage
      Doesnt this add to an already overblown selection of World War 2 based FPS's?

      No, not at all. In order to add, it would first have to meet, then somehow exceed the current offerings. Or at least bring something significantly different to the table.

      Note that this mod include no vehicles. It says it will include vehicles for ut2k4, but that's not out yet, so with this, you get no vehicles. So what we have here is a WWII mod for an FPS, without vehicles, introduced into genre ruled by Battlefield 1942 [battlefield1942.com], which has planes, tanks, jeeps, ships, and every other kind of vehicle you'd expect. That you can really drive (and ride in while someone else drives).

      So, this doesn't even meet the current standard (bf1942). Maybe before bf1942 this would have been interesting competition for MOHAA or RtCW, but now it's just one more of the same old. And how is this News for Nerds or Stuff That Matters?

      Is /. now going to turn into planetslashdot.com? I can't wait for the ourly announcements such as "]00l dude wants you all to know that they just managed to get a new model to compile for their upcoming uber-l337 killemall mod. Here's a screenshot of the new model with a plain grey skin. Kewl, eh? Oh, and they need coders and artists, so check 'em out!!!!!!"
      • announcements such as "]00l dude wants you all to know that they just managed to get a new model to compile for their upcoming uber-l337 killemall mod. Here's a screenshot of the new model with a plain grey skin. Kewl, eh? Oh, and they need coders and artists, so check 'em out!!!!!!"
        That is hilarious because it is so true.

      • Re:Uhmm right.. (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Minna Kirai ( 624281 )
        In order to add, it would first have to meet, then somehow exceed the current offerings.

        That sentence makes no sense at all. I guess it's just a weird reach for some clever rhetorical hook. If I join a football squad, but can't beat the current striker, I'm still an addition to the team.

        Maybe if the squad was already at full capacity, adding me doesn't supply anything new, but that's exactly what the poster was suggesting.

        And when there's a question of if a new contender is good enough to be considere

        • In order to add, it would first have to meet, then somehow exceed the current offerings.

          That sentence makes no sense at all. I guess it's just a weird reach for some clever rhetorical hook.

          Yeah it is. It does sort of make sense, but first you have to stand on your head for a while so all the blood rushes to it... then turn over really fast and exhale as rapidly as possible. If you do it right, then just before you pass out, it will begin to make sense. When you later regain consciousness, it won'

    • Not only did my country, the USA, invade France and get bombed at Hawaii, but as part of a coalition they entered North Africa and Italy and attacked Japanese-held islands. But there are plenty of games about the USA fighting WW2, even though there was no fighting on the US mainland and much fighting did not involve US forces.

      I've never tried "Red Orchestra", but if it really is a game about the eastern European front, then it is a game about one of the most important but overlooked parts of WW2. The "Gre

    • Heck the best thing about the Desert Combat mod for 1942 is that its NOT about WW2!

      Desert Combat is unbalanced, too fast, and attracts a large number of idiots and smaktards.

      Vanilla BF1942 for me thank you.
    • Personally, yes, I tend to agree with you. But I also realize I'm one of those people who got sick and tired of all the wargame strategy simulations in the late 80's and early 90's. (Remember when it seems like TSR and others released one of these things every month or so?)

      There's obviously a BIG market for re-enacting/simulating real wars, and WWII in particular. (Probably because it had the most interesting variety of weapons used in it?)

      FPS games have also divided themselves into 2 different factions
  • The single biggest complaint I hear about Unreal II is the unbelievable weapons and non-traditional sci-fi style maps. Now with this mod maybe people will give the Unreal engine another chance. .

  • Link (Score:2, Funny)

    by evilmuffins ( 631482 )
    That Faster Files link, won't have faster files anymore...
  • The /. article says 2k3, the site says 2k4. You got my hopes up.

    • Re:UT2k3 or UT2k4 (Score:4, Informative)

      by Vaevictis666 ( 680137 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @06:53PM (#7186503)
      Mods for UT2k3 will be binary compatable with 2k4. Mods for UT2k4 that don't involve any of the fun new stuff (like vehicles) will likely be compatable with 2k3.

      UT2k4 is the same old engine, same old content, _plus_ some fun new stuff like more than double the maps, more character models, a few new (and some almost-old) gametypes, and more than cursory vehicle support. Oh yeah, and further graphics/networking optimizations.

      • Mods for UT2k3 will be binary compatable with 2k4.

        Mods for UT2k4 that don't involve any of the fun new stuff (like vehicles) will likely be compatable with 2k3

        But according to the Red Orchestra "features" page:
        • All new high detail environments in World War 2 Eastern Front settings.
        • Experience famous battles from 1941 to 1945.
        • The Wehrmacht and the Red Armies are the two core fighting forces.
        • Complete arsenal of intricatly detailed uniforms, equipment and weapons used in battle
        • Branch System
        • I think the vehicles won't be available in the Red Orchestra mod until UT2004 is released.
        • As others have pointed out, vehicles are coming next year. But they aren't essential at all. DoD and RtCW have been very successful without vehicles. The infantry always was the final arbiter and many infantry-only actions were fought during the way.

          But, ok. You like vehicles. Fine. I've been trying to promote the use multiple crews in my WW2OL squad, the 105th Panzer Brigade [105thpanzerbrigade.com]. We're a combined arms unit with, of course, an excellent armor unit. I think you'd fit in, as several other members are also a bit

  • Commies (Score:1, Funny)

    by Grahhh ( 614405 )
    If you kill enough commies does it say Fuhrer Kill!?
  • Don't you dare post another damned fileplanet link ever again.

    Sheesh. I'll go to kazaa before I go to fileplanet.

    Not that I find another WWII game all that enticing in the first place.
  • I personally don't like war games. This one is special. Stalin or Hitler? Whom do you prefer? ;->

    • Re:War games (Score:2, Offtopic)

      by r ( 13067 )
      there's a joke along those lines. if you ask a pole whom to shoot at first, germans or russians, what will he say?

      germans first. business before pleasure.

      for example the warsaw uprising, which i bet the mod doesn't even consider. when poles started an uprising against nazi occupants in warsaw, the red army was right outside the city - but instead of helping they sat on their hands and waited for germans to massacre half of warsaw.

      and then my friends wonder why we have such a massive chip on our collectiv
      • and then my friends wonder why we have such a massive chip on our collective shoulder. :)

        Were you around then? Has this affected you personally?
        I mean, using the same logic as you, I should in that case be angry with the French, Spanish, Germans, Romans, Vikings, etc, etc. But none of them have ever done anything to me in my lifetime, so why should I have any problem with them?

        People are just people. We all like the same things.

    • as seen here: Stalin vs. Hitler The Authorized Annotated Translation [comics.aha.ru], a Russian comic, but annotations in English. Done in something approaching a Marvel Comics style.

      Artful, actually. But strange to someone with a usa viewpoint.

  • I just checked the filesize on this mod: 277 mebi [nist.gov]bytes. WTF?? I have a fairly fat pipe going to my house, but since when did it become a good idea to create demos and/or mods regularly exceeding 100 megs?

    I recently downloaded the demo for Tron 2.0, weighing in at about 200 megs. Now, I might almost think this reasonable if it weren't for a few crucial facts:

    • The demo only included three maps,
    • There were only three or four enemy models,
    • Tron, if you'll recall, is a flat shaded universe. The textures,

    • Off-Topic Rant: Fscking Huge Downloads

      Make sure you check your filesystems so you don't lose that huge file you just downloaded! (I know it is a bad joke because fsck starts with a lowercase f. If "mebi" was not hyperlinked I would be very confused now.)

    • No, there isn't more efficient ways.

      Games are getting larger: Textures, maps, skins, models, animations, physics, everything. They are growing bigger and bigger, and expect them to only accelerate in size. If you want a game to look better and have more feature, you can expect it to take more room on your hard disk.

    • With folks like you who bitch about everything, game developers are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

      I'm sorry to say, but 3 levels of a game, plus engine, plus textures, plus audio is a few hundred megs. Check your disk usage after installing, I am sure those textures were compressed really well, it's probably around 700MB, right?

      Should they have made the download 500MB and included 4 maps?

      I think the 100MB limit is hogwash. I would rather wait 45 minutes to play a true technical demonstration of
    • 200 megs is nothing when you think about all that has to go into a demo and the points you highlight fail to appreciate this.

      As any level builder can attest to, some of the largest components of a level pack are the textures and sounds. The Unreal Tournament engine can handle extremely detailed textures, most 1024x1024 in size, in a fairly uncompressed format. Moreover, all of the sounds are also generally uncompressed wave files. You couple those two things together and you end up with a lot of "bloat

  • I Just Have To Say... (Score:3, Funny)

    by mongoks ( 540017 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @07:11PM (#7186610)
    In Soviet Russia...FilePlanet still sucks!

  • Realistic? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Mithrandur ( 69023 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @07:18PM (#7186641)
    You can't call it realistic until you spend the majority of your time waiting in the cold, hoping not to die.

    You can't call it realistic if you can play after you've died once.

    You can't call it realistic until the credit for every action you take is given to your superior officer.

    WWII was a terrible event. I have no problem with FPS, but to make a mockery of WWII while the survivors are still alive seems disrespectful to me. Play all you want in a Sci-fi setting. Make mods "simulating" the america civil war. But I think it would be nice to show some respect for the still-living vets of WWII.

    • Re:Realistic? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by randyest ( 589159 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @07:26PM (#7186675) Homepage
      How, exactly, is it disrespectful to WWII vets to make a mod based on WWII battles?

      I've heard a lot of complaints from vets that people forget about their sacrifice, which I think is somewhat true, but I've never heard any complaints about wargames set in WWII (remember the old SSI games? I know vets that loved playing those themselves).

      Are you a WWII vet and are offended by this? If so, please tell me about how it makes you feel. Or, do you just know some vets and assume they'd be offended? Or are you just trolling? (DING DING DING - we have a winner!)
      • I'm not a vet, I'm not a troll. I honestly feel that it's disrespectful of the sacrifice those soldiers made to reduce WWII to a first-person shooter.

        I like FPS games. I enjoy a good game of CTF or DM. It's not the violence that bothers me. The very act of making the real traumatic experience of an actual human being into a game (with all the unpleasent bits cut out, of course) demonstrates a profound lack of compassion.

        Both of my grandfathers fought in WWII. My wife's grandfather fought in WWII. I
        • [it's disrespectful] to reduce WWII to a first-person shooter

          Hmm, OK, so you're not trolling, but it may be even worse that you actually believe what you said. That is, I think it's far more disrespectful to actually think that WWII can be reduced by anything. It was what it was and is what it is no matter how many videogames, movies, books, or whatever are created using WWII as a setting.

          Is it disrespectful to WWII vets to make a movie about, or set in, WWII?

          Is it disrespectful to WWII vets to w
        • I think you're looking at it wrong.

          While FPS tend to lean toward giving unrealistic impressions of things, it can also do something important.

          They can put a thought into someone's mind that the setting could be worth learning a bit more, thus increasing the awareness of the true horrors of it.

          If you want to bitch and moan, how about bitching about the FPS set in Veitnam, or the most reent ar in Iraq? Or are those alright?
        • i wouldn't really.

          it's not disrespectful to read an entertaining book about the events either, so long as you don't start getting funny ideas. or watch a very entertainment focused movie with clint eastwood about it either(heck, it's from a perioid that a bunch of people affected by ww2 were probably in the production team itself). many of post-war(ww1 and ww2) books published sortly after the wars were big hits among the men who served, for they helped many of the men channel their feelings about it as we

        • On a certain level, I think you might be right. But on the other hand, war itself is so twisted as to almost be black comedy [hyperdictionary.com].

          Disrepectful? Perhaps. But I don't really understand how it becomes any less disrepsectful to wait until after the people are dead. Is there a "statute of limitations" on respect? (or disrespect?)

          I would be ashamed to have one of them see me taking part in reducing the most horific experience of their life to an evening's entertainment.

          Well I guess we shouldn't go watch Sa

    • Re:Realistic? (Score:2, Insightful)

      by MalachiConstant ( 553800 )
      This is exactly the same thing that my uncle said when I told him about some of these games (he served during Viet Nam, but never in combat).

      I can certainly understand that sentiment, but I think it's understood that any kind of game like this doesn't "make you feel like you were there". Take the Half-Life mod "Day of Defeat". The weapon characterisics are realistic, the sounds the guns make, the environment, etc, but I don't think anyone says, "No, I didn't fight in WWII, but I played DoD, so I know
    • It may not be realistic (i've not played it, so i don't know) but is it a mockery simply because it is a game or is there soemthing else? I mean, Hogan's Heroes was set in a WWII prisoner of war camp. It first aired in 65. Certianly it had a lot more of a potential to be offensive than a game that comes out now, so much later.

      How about board games? There are hundreds of those. I'm just concerned that you consider the videogame form inately more disrespectful than other forms, which I cannot agree with.

      • > It may not be realistic (i've not played it, so i don't know) but is it a mockery simply because it is a game or is there soemthing else? I mean, Hogan's Heroes was set in a WWII prisoner of war camp. It first aired in 65. Certianly it had a lot more of a potential to be offensive than a game that comes out now, so much later.

        There's a surprising diversity of opinion on that kind of stuff. One of my friend's father was a US bomber crewman during that war, and he was outraged by Hogan's Heroes. OTOH,

    • I disagree on two fronts (ha ha):

      First, it's best to do these things while the vets are still alive, because they can provide useful information to keep the simulations more accurate. I don't think they want their experiences to be unrepresented, either, and all of history is done a great disservice by "respectful" silence, omission and distortion. Almost as dangerous as ignoring history is cleaning it up into untroubling narratives of virtuous heroes and defeated evil. Even WW2's western front and pacific

  • Good History Book for background (Score:5, Interesting)

    by davejenkins ( 99111 ) <slashdot@NOSPam.davejenkins.com> on Friday October 10, 2003 @07:21PM (#7186653) Homepage
    Stalingrad [barnesandnoble.com]
    Enemy At the Gates came close, maybe in it's first 10 minutes. After that, Hollywood falls far short of the horror and what really happened (as much as I can tell from reading this fascinating retelling of the battle for Stalingrad)...

    There's been an ongoing debate among us about which is the better history. On the one side Dave, Rick, and others favor the dry academic 'cause and effect' of macroeconomics and political philosophy that lead to the World War 1914-1945. Others among us push for the 'real story', the oral tradition of the grunt soldier's pains and trials from the trench in the actual battle-- it doesn't matter how the forces got there, the drama of the day comes from a baker holding a rifle.

    Stalingrad mixes both, but in an acceptable fashion: Beevor rightly frames his story around the causes and impetus behind Hitler's folly and Stalin's incompetence, but then follows those mishaps all the way down to how they drew 500,000 men in the German 6th army to starvation and death in the steppes of the Volga.

    This is not an easy read. Do not try it if you have a fear of lice, rot, cold, or desparate hopelessness-- you will feel them as you read.

    Beevor's foreshadowing was sometimes distracting, but then, as the reader, I had to tell myself that it was only foreshadowing because I didn't know the details of the battle-- this is history, not fiction. The author draws us to seminal mistakes in judgement, crucial firefights that end up dooming thousands later on, the chaos of war that brings entropy-- and death-- to millions.

    I highly recommend this book.

    (review originally appeared here [thought-control.org]
    • Read it. Loved it. And to be honest, some of those stories made me horrified and saddened. At one point I had to put down the book and just shake my head in utter disbelief; I'm referring to the part where the maimed german soldier was left behind in the gutter next to the airfield. That was extremely painful to read, especially since the author swayed from his ordinary, clinical penning to a more personalized composition.

      As a former professional soldier myself, I can vividly picture the scenarios describe

    • "Enemy At the Gates came close, maybe in it's first 10 minutes."



      If you want a decent film about stalingrad you should try this one: Stalingrad [imdb.com], it's a german film about german soilders. Germans never have to put in some happy ending or try to cover up that they where bastards. To put is short: its cold and hopeless.

    • I think a much better one on the subject is Valentin Pikul's Barbarossa. (ISBN 5-7838-0230-1 for the new printing, but I have not seen it translated to any language from Russian yet). It has a much deeper account of the political and military machinations leading up to the actual battle, recounting them mostly from the perspective of (as well as dealing with him as a man), Friedrich Paulus, and his contrast with Rommel. Despite being written in a rather informal style, it is very meticulously researched (I

  • OT: good use for BitTorrent (Score:5, Insightful)

    by EvilStein ( 414640 ) <.ten.pbp. .ta. .maps.> on Friday October 10, 2003 @07:27PM (#7186686)
    FilePlanet absolutely sucks. It's one of the most cluttered websites I've ever seen. More banner ads & crap than most porn sites.

    BitTorrent/p2p is an *excellent* way (and legitimate way) to get game demos out.
    Why don't more companies announce "Hey, we've thrown this up on Kazaa too! Go get it!" instead?

    INstead, we get ad-laden crap like FilePlanet/etc.
    • Why don't more companies announce "Hey, we've thrown this up on Kazaa too!
      Because whenever you download an executable from Kazaa, it contains at least one, possibly two trojans. With file planet, you can at least insure that the files are not being tampered with.
      BitTorrent is an exception, because it hasn't taken off yet (lil billy teh h4xxor isn't using it)
      • Because whenever you download an executable from Kazaa, it contains at least one, possibly two trojans.

        Heavy exaggeration at best, complete lying FUD at worst. C'mon. Every one? Not in my experience.

        With file planet, you can at least insure that the files are not being tampered with.

        How's that? They don't give you any sort of MD5 or cksum. And they let 15-year-old sub-site admins upload files directly to their fileserver. And, of course, there have been many cases of viruses and trojans fou
      • BitTorrent is an exception, because it hasn't taken off yet (lil billy teh h4xxor isn't using it)

        And if it ever does, it will be its death. It's already blocked where I go to school. BitTorrent has this nasty tendancy to completely and totally flood networks. And because of this, as it becomes more popular, more sites are going to block it to try and keep bandwidth available for other users.

        Try it on your home broadband link. As you hit higher and higher upload/download links, try and do anything el

        • Most of the nonstandard bittorrent clients include support for bandwidth throttling. Hopefully, the official client will too in the near future.
        • No idea what you're talking about. Months ago, I used the standard python release of BT and played with throttling it down to 1 k/s. Seems to work fine. Since then, BT has gotten even better at handling bandwidth.

          I honestly have no idea what you're complaining about, let alone even talking about.

          I noticed the replies to journal entry even point this out. You're not doing anything but spreading misinformation.

          --max_uploads
          the maximum number of uploads to allow at once.
          --upload_rate_fudge
          -
          • Well, that's good for you. You can throttle your own bandwidth, so you don't flood your own connection. When I'm at school, there are some 2000 or so student computers connected to the network at any given time. (I think.) The reason BitTorrent was blocked is that no one was throttling their connection, either due to ignorance or greed.

            So, for a site that has a signfigant number of people using BitTorrent at once, something must be done to ensure every user gets Internet access: an increase in infrast

            • I certainly can't ignore such comments. They certainly seem valid to me. Just the same, does your school plan on blocking http and ftp protocols too? What about scp? Do they throttle them? They are all open to abuse. A possible double standand because they have a caching http/ftp proxy?

              My point being, ya, it would be nice to have something on the front end to address your plea, but at the same time, people need to be responsible for their impact on a network. A network abuser is a network abuser. D
        • Another problem with BT is it doesn't work through egress firewalls which allow outgoing for the proxy only, and the proxy is configured for port 80 only. This is a very common setup because it is good practice security wise where all that is meant to be allowed is web browsing. For this reason, BT should never be used as the only distribution method when you want people who can only 'browse the net' to be allowed to download.
      • You are aware that the KaZaA download could be initiated from a link on a (relatively) secure website right? When you do it this way, KaZaA will be searching for a specific file ID, thus lessening the chance of getting an illegitimate file with all the nasty wormy, buggy, trojany, virusy things.
    • p2p distribution would mean that FilePlanet couldn't charge for access to "premium" centralized FTP servers, so it won't happen.

      Sites like FileFront [slashdot.org] and GameTab [gametab.com] are the fuuuuuture, Marty. These sites are really only useful as an initial index source you can trust (like ShareReactor, but legal), and for aggregating eyeballs to increase the availability of the files.

      --

      • ... FileFront and GameTab ... are really only useful as an initial index source you can trust

        You trust [planetannihilation.com]fileplanet?

        I'll save you a click and the approximately 45 ad impressions you'd suffer as you try to scroll down to read the relevant entry at that link:

        From planetannihilation.com:

        Virus Warning, Thursday, June 19, 2003

        If you've downloaded the Cavedog maps from Fileplanet (all except Tropical Islands) I suggest that you scan them for viruses. We apologise for any inconvenience caused by th
        • You trustfileplanet?

          Eh? How do you figure that from my post? I wasn't badmouthing p2p index sites when I said that they're "really only useful as sources you can trust", because that's the truth: you get the secure file hashes FROM these sites that you trust. the md4 hash is in the ed2k URL with eDonkey, and the sha1 hash is in the .torrent file with BitTorrent.

          --

        • Note that the files in qusetion here are not official FilePlanet files - they are hosted site files which are posted by the hosted site and do not go through the normal FilePlanet upload/scanning/review process. They are not available on the FilePlanet site itself, only through the hosted site.
          • I would have noted it were it true. Read the note again, then ask anyone that downloaded (such as myself), the files were available from fileplanet.com, though you would have to search for them if you didn't link in from planetannihilation.com
    • There's a bit torrent download link for this at Filerush.com: Red Orchestra Beta 1 BT link [filerush.com]
    • Because if they said 'We threw it up on Kazaa' imagine how many fake versions would pop up with viruses in them. BitTorrent is different though.
      • Few people in this thread seem to understand why it's different.

        It's different because it's somewhat centralized - somebody runs a server which tells the peers about each other, and hosts a torrent file which includes hashes of the file. So if you trust the source of the .torrent file, you don't have to worry. Of course, you can do this (with more effort) on any P2P by comparing checksums with a trusted source.

        BTW, does anyone have checksums and sizes for the files? The Linux version from the Norway mi

  • The stick grenades aren't stuck in the Wehrmacht soldiers' belts. (Disclaimer: clips on grenade heads were pretty uncommon). Other than that, they have done an incredible job modelling the gear. I did WWII re-enacting during my high school and college years, and have most of the gear seen in the screenshots sitting in my closet. The Kar98k, Moisin Nagant, P-38, PPSh-41, and MP-38 all get high marks, with the possible except of the G43, which looks like they modelled it with a bayonet lug it never had.
  • FYI: If you're running a 2.6.0-* kernel with the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 fix for RPM installs, you may be getting a UT2003 startup error like:

    Could not load OpenGL library
    History:
    Exiting due to error

    The nonobvious but simple fix is to modify your 'ut2003-demo' or 'ut2003' startup script by adding "unset LD_ASSUME_KERNEL" at the beginning, and adding it "export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5" back at the end (so RPM will work again).

    Google couldn't help me out with this problem, so I wasted an hour messing

    • The nonobvious but simple fix is to modify your 'ut2003-demo' or 'ut2003' startup script by adding "unset LD_ASSUME_KERNEL" at the beginning, and adding it "export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5" back at the end (so RPM will work again).

      You probably don't need to set LD_ASSUME_KERNEL at the end of the script. Each program has a separate environment, initially inherited from the program that launched it. So "export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5" (in sh and bash scripts) only applies to programs launched by the ut20

  • Real weapons. Real battles. Real soldiers.'
    Oooh ooh, does this mean we get real sieges, real starvation, real civilian casualties, and real soldiersicles too?

    The soviet front was horifically bloody in not-your-typical-war ways... the fighting was not the part you learn about in history class :-/
  • Something that has really been bothering me lately. I don't know about this mod, but in games and movies lately, there seems to be an obvious lack of Nazis. In games like Battlefield 1942, movies like Enemies at the Gate, and the Pianist, just to name a few, the Nazi foe has been reduced to nothing but German. You won't find them referred to as Nazis, or see a single swastika. In the Wolfenstein games, and older movies, you cant go two feet without seeing that broken cross, but now they opt for the Teuton
  • The first public edition of the long awaited Red Orchestra mod for Unreal Tournament 2003 has been released. 'Red Orchestra brings you in-depth infantry combat on the Eastern Front of WWII. With the emphasis on realism and authenticity; Germains being the well equiped nazi's they are, and the soviets being equiped to fight with sticks and dig trenches with their bare hands. The Soviet Red Army meets the German Army on the ground across battlefields from Kiev through Stalingrad and on to the Reichstag in Be
  • There's a bit torrent download link for this at Filerush.com: Red Orchestra Beta 1 BT link [filerush.com]
  • I guess they're trying to change up the ol' Allies vs. Axis standard by not including an American European force, but really.... Now you can play for one mass murder or the other mass murderer! Whoo hoo! I guess this sorta falls in line with promoting those Anakin Skywalker coloring books... You know, the kid that grows up to be the mass murdering second in command? I just love what we're teaching our kids ^__^

  • With the emphasis on realism and authenticity, the Soviet Red Army meets the German Army on the ground across battlefields from Kiev through Stalingrad and on to the Reichstag in Berlin. Real weapons. Real battles. Real soldiers

    Realistic? How is this realistic at all? That is, unless our grandfathers fought WW2 with a mouse and keyboard.

    The use of 'realism' and 'real' is bothersome. I remember hearing countless times during a counter-strike match about how 'realistic' the game was. This was usually a com

  • WOW (Score:2)

    by Snaller ( 147050 )
    Realism and Unreal Tournament - those are words you rarely hear in the same sentence!
  • So this mod has pretty graphics thanks to the UT engine. BF1942 isn't that bad at all in terms of graphics. However, the big deal here is that right now I think the majority of gamers aren't AS concerned about graphics as they used to be. Everything looks really damn pretty. What they WANT however is some new and exciting gameplay, cuz everything seems to be clones. Thats why its important to make a mod thats DIFFERENT than other things. For example, the Pirates [innerempire.com]mod for bf1942. Jesus, if that's not o

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