Red Orchestra, UT2003 Mod, Released 191
Neophytus writes "The first public edition of the long awaited Red Orchestra mod for Unreal Tournament 2003 has been released. 'Red Orchestra brings you in-depth infantry combat on the Eastern Front of WWII. With the emphasis on realism and authenticity, the Soviet Red Army meets the German Army on the ground across battlefields from Kiev through Stalingrad and on to the Reichstag in Berlin. Real weapons. Real battles. Real soldiers.' Download from FilePlanet (free reg. req.), FasterFiles, more."
Uhmm right.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Doesnt this add to an already overblown selection of World War 2 based FPS's?
Heck the best thing about the Desert Combat mod for 1942 is that its NOT about WW2!
Re:Uhmm right.. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Uhmm right.. (Score:1)
Then allow me to recommend Battlefield 1942 [battlefield1942.com]. As realistic as these things come without losing gameplay. And lots of Yak's, Katyushas and whatnot from the eastern campaign.
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Re:Uhmm right.. (Score:2)
If you want it real, try IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles [il2sturmovik.com]. It's a Russian-developed flight-sim, very realistic, absolutely gorgeous, and it covers pretty much the entire Eastern Front.
Re:Uhmm right.. (Score:4, Insightful)
No, not at all. In order to add, it would first have to meet, then somehow exceed the current offerings. Or at least bring something significantly different to the table.
Note that this mod include no vehicles. It says it will include vehicles for ut2k4, but that's not out yet, so with this, you get no vehicles. So what we have here is a WWII mod for an FPS, without vehicles, introduced into genre ruled by Battlefield 1942 [battlefield1942.com], which has planes, tanks, jeeps, ships, and every other kind of vehicle you'd expect. That you can really drive (and ride in while someone else drives).
So, this doesn't even meet the current standard (bf1942). Maybe before bf1942 this would have been interesting competition for MOHAA or RtCW, but now it's just one more of the same old. And how is this News for Nerds or Stuff That Matters?
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Re:Uhmm right.. (Score:1)
Re:Uhmm right.. (Score:3, Interesting)
That sentence makes no sense at all. I guess it's just a weird reach for some clever rhetorical hook. If I join a football squad, but can't beat the current striker, I'm still an addition to the team.
Maybe if the squad was already at full capacity, adding me doesn't supply anything new, but that's exactly what the poster was suggesting.
And when there's a question of if a new contender is good enough to be considere
*add* an Alterted State of Consciousness (Score:2)
Yeah it is. It does sort of make sense, but first you have to stand on your head for a while so all the blood rushes to it... then turn over really fast and exhale as rapidly as possible. If you do it right, then just before you pass out, it will begin to make sense. When you later regain consciousness, it won'
But WW2 is big! (Re:Uhmm right..) (Score:1)
Not only did my country, the USA, invade France and get bombed at Hawaii, but as part of a coalition they entered North Africa and Italy and attacked Japanese-held islands. But there are plenty of games about the USA fighting WW2, even though there was no fighting on the US mainland and much fighting did not involve US forces.
I've never tried "Red Orchestra", but if it really is a game about the eastern European front, then it is a game about one of the most important but overlooked parts of WW2. The "Gre
Re:Uhmm right.. (Score:1)
Desert Combat is unbalanced, too fast, and attracts a large number of idiots and smaktards.
Vanilla BF1942 for me thank you.
WWII genre games overblown? (Score:2)
There's obviously a BIG market for re-enacting/simulating real wars, and WWII in particular. (Probably because it had the most interesting variety of weapons used in it?)
FPS games have also divided themselves into 2 different factions
I'll be downloading this one! (Score:2, Insightful)
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Link (Score:2, Funny)
UT2k3 or UT2k4 (Score:1)
Re:UT2k3 or UT2k4 (Score:4, Informative)
UT2k4 is the same old engine, same old content, _plus_ some fun new stuff like more than double the maps, more character models, a few new (and some almost-old) gametypes, and more than cursory vehicle support. Oh yeah, and further graphics/networking optimizations.
Re:UT2k3 or UT2k4 (Score:2)
Mods for UT2k4 that don't involve any of the fun new stuff (like vehicles) will likely be compatable with 2k3
But according to the Red Orchestra "features" page:
Re:UT2k3 or UT2k4 (Score:1)
Re:UT2k3 or UT2k4 (Score:2)
But, ok. You like vehicles. Fine. I've been trying to promote the use multiple crews in my WW2OL squad, the 105th Panzer Brigade [105thpanzerbrigade.com]. We're a combined arms unit with, of course, an excellent armor unit. I think you'd fit in, as several other members are also a bit
Commies (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Commies (Score:2)
Where's the .torrent, smiley? (Score:1)
Sheesh. I'll go to kazaa before I go to fileplanet.
Not that I find another WWII game all that enticing in the first place.
Re:Where's the .torrent, smiley? (Score:1)
War games (Score:2, Funny)
Re:War games (Score:2, Offtopic)
germans first. business before pleasure.
for example the warsaw uprising, which i bet the mod doesn't even consider. when poles started an uprising against nazi occupants in warsaw, the red army was right outside the city - but instead of helping they sat on their hands and waited for germans to massacre half of warsaw.
and then my friends wonder why we have such a massive chip on our collectiv
Re:War games (Score:2)
Were you around then? Has this affected you personally?
I mean, using the same logic as you, I should in that case be angry with the French, Spanish, Germans, Romans, Vikings, etc, etc. But none of them have ever done anything to me in my lifetime, so why should I have any problem with them?
People are just people. We all like the same things.
Stalin vs Hitler (Score:2)
Artful, actually. But strange to someone with a usa viewpoint.
Off-Topic Rant: Fscking Huge Downloads (Score:2, Insightful)
I just checked the filesize on this mod: 277 mebi [nist.gov]bytes. WTF?? I have a fairly fat pipe going to my house, but since when did it become a good idea to create demos and/or mods regularly exceeding 100 megs?
I recently downloaded the demo for Tron 2.0, weighing in at about 200 megs. Now, I might almost think this reasonable if it weren't for a few crucial facts:
Re:Off-Topic Rant: Fscking Huge Downloads (Score:1)
Make sure you check your filesystems so you don't lose that huge file you just downloaded! (I know it is a bad joke because fsck starts with a lowercase f. If "mebi" was not hyperlinked I would be very confused now.)
Re:Off-Topic Rant: Fscking Huge Downloads (Score:2)
Games are getting larger: Textures, maps, skins, models, animations, physics, everything. They are growing bigger and bigger, and expect them to only accelerate in size. If you want a game to look better and have more feature, you can expect it to take more room on your hard disk.
Re:Off-Topic Rant: Fscking Huge Downloads (Score:2)
With folks like you who bitch about everything, game developers are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
I'm sorry to say, but 3 levels of a game, plus engine, plus textures, plus audio is a few hundred megs. Check your disk usage after installing, I am sure those textures were compressed really well, it's probably around 700MB, right?
Should they have made the download 500MB and included 4 maps?
I think the 100MB limit is hogwash. I would rather wait 45 minutes to play a true technical demonstration of
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Re:Off-Topic Rant: Fscking Huge Downloads (Score:2)
As any level builder can attest to, some of the largest components of a level pack are the textures and sounds. The Unreal Tournament engine can handle extremely detailed textures, most 1024x1024 in size, in a fairly uncompressed format. Moreover, all of the sounds are also generally uncompressed wave files. You couple those two things together and you end up with a lot of "bloat
I Just Have To Say... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I Just Have To Say... (Score:2, Funny)
Almost
No - wait. It's not.
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Realistic? (Score:4, Interesting)
You can't call it realistic if you can play after you've died once.
You can't call it realistic until the credit for every action you take is given to your superior officer.
WWII was a terrible event. I have no problem with FPS, but to make a mockery of WWII while the survivors are still alive seems disrespectful to me. Play all you want in a Sci-fi setting. Make mods "simulating" the america civil war. But I think it would be nice to show some respect for the still-living vets of WWII.
Re:Realistic? (Score:4, Insightful)
I've heard a lot of complaints from vets that people forget about their sacrifice, which I think is somewhat true, but I've never heard any complaints about wargames set in WWII (remember the old SSI games? I know vets that loved playing those themselves).
Are you a WWII vet and are offended by this? If so, please tell me about how it makes you feel. Or, do you just know some vets and assume they'd be offended? Or are you just trolling? (DING DING DING - we have a winner!)
Re:Realistic? (Score:2)
I like FPS games. I enjoy a good game of CTF or DM. It's not the violence that bothers me. The very act of making the real traumatic experience of an actual human being into a game (with all the unpleasent bits cut out, of course) demonstrates a profound lack of compassion.
Both of my grandfathers fought in WWII. My wife's grandfather fought in WWII. I
Re:Realistic? (Score:2)
Hmm, OK, so you're not trolling, but it may be even worse that you actually believe what you said. That is, I think it's far more disrespectful to actually think that WWII can be reduced by anything. It was what it was and is what it is no matter how many videogames, movies, books, or whatever are created using WWII as a setting.
Is it disrespectful to WWII vets to make a movie about, or set in, WWII?
Is it disrespectful to WWII vets to w
Re:Realistic? (Score:1)
While FPS tend to lean toward giving unrealistic impressions of things, it can also do something important.
They can put a thought into someone's mind that the setting could be worth learning a bit more, thus increasing the awareness of the true horrors of it.
If you want to bitch and moan, how about bitching about the FPS set in Veitnam, or the most reent ar in Iraq? Or are those alright?
Re:Realistic? (Score:2)
it's not disrespectful to read an entertaining book about the events either, so long as you don't start getting funny ideas. or watch a very entertainment focused movie with clint eastwood about it either(heck, it's from a perioid that a bunch of people affected by ww2 were probably in the production team itself). many of post-war(ww1 and ww2) books published sortly after the wars were big hits among the men who served, for they helped many of the men channel their feelings about it as we
Re:Realistic? (Score:2)
On a certain level, I think you might be right. But on the other hand, war itself is so twisted as to almost be black comedy [hyperdictionary.com].
Disrepectful? Perhaps. But I don't really understand how it becomes any less disrepsectful to wait until after the people are dead. Is there a "statute of limitations" on respect? (or disrespect?)
Well I guess we shouldn't go watch Sa
Re:Realistic? (Score:2, Insightful)
I can certainly understand that sentiment, but I think it's understood that any kind of game like this doesn't "make you feel like you were there". Take the Half-Life mod "Day of Defeat". The weapon characterisics are realistic, the sounds the guns make, the environment, etc, but I don't think anyone says, "No, I didn't fight in WWII, but I played DoD, so I know
Re:Realistic? (Score:2)
How about board games? There are hundreds of those. I'm just concerned that you consider the videogame form inately more disrespectful than other forms, which I cannot agree with.
Re: Realistic? (Score:2)
> It may not be realistic (i've not played it, so i don't know) but is it a mockery simply because it is a game or is there soemthing else? I mean, Hogan's Heroes was set in a WWII prisoner of war camp. It first aired in 65. Certianly it had a lot more of a potential to be offensive than a game that comes out now, so much later.
There's a surprising diversity of opinion on that kind of stuff. One of my friend's father was a US bomber crewman during that war, and he was outraged by Hogan's Heroes. OTOH,
Re:Realistic? (Score:2)
First, it's best to do these things while the vets are still alive, because they can provide useful information to keep the simulations more accurate. I don't think they want their experiences to be unrepresented, either, and all of history is done a great disservice by "respectful" silence, omission and distortion. Almost as dangerous as ignoring history is cleaning it up into untroubling narratives of virtuous heroes and defeated evil. Even WW2's western front and pacific
Re:Realistic? (Score:2)
Or you could do Napoleon-era stuff. Mostly hand weapons and archers, but there are some early musketts. I'd really like to see a good, hand-weapon based FPS. Something with the command flexability you see in fighing games like Tekken, but with a first-person view and movement style.
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Good History Book for background (Score:5, Interesting)
Enemy At the Gates came close, maybe in it's first 10 minutes. After that, Hollywood falls far short of the horror and what really happened (as much as I can tell from reading this fascinating retelling of the battle for Stalingrad)...
There's been an ongoing debate among us about which is the better history. On the one side Dave, Rick, and others favor the dry academic 'cause and effect' of macroeconomics and political philosophy that lead to the World War 1914-1945. Others among us push for the 'real story', the oral tradition of the grunt soldier's pains and trials from the trench in the actual battle-- it doesn't matter how the forces got there, the drama of the day comes from a baker holding a rifle.
Stalingrad mixes both, but in an acceptable fashion: Beevor rightly frames his story around the causes and impetus behind Hitler's folly and Stalin's incompetence, but then follows those mishaps all the way down to how they drew 500,000 men in the German 6th army to starvation and death in the steppes of the Volga.
This is not an easy read. Do not try it if you have a fear of lice, rot, cold, or desparate hopelessness-- you will feel them as you read.
Beevor's foreshadowing was sometimes distracting, but then, as the reader, I had to tell myself that it was only foreshadowing because I didn't know the details of the battle-- this is history, not fiction. The author draws us to seminal mistakes in judgement, crucial firefights that end up dooming thousands later on, the chaos of war that brings entropy-- and death-- to millions.
I highly recommend this book.
(review originally appeared here [thought-control.org]
Re:Good History Book for background (Score:2, Insightful)
As a former professional soldier myself, I can vividly picture the scenarios describe
Re:Good History Book for background (Score:3, Interesting)
"Enemy At the Gates came close, maybe in it's first 10 minutes."
If you want a decent film about stalingrad you should try this one: Stalingrad [imdb.com], it's a german film about german soilders. Germans never have to put in some happy ending or try to cover up that they where bastards. To put is short: its cold and hopeless.
Re:Good History Book for background (Score:3, Informative)
OT: good use for BitTorrent (Score:5, Insightful)
BitTorrent/p2p is an *excellent* way (and legitimate way) to get game demos out.
Why don't more companies announce "Hey, we've thrown this up on Kazaa too! Go get it!" instead?
INstead, we get ad-laden crap like FilePlanet/etc.
Poor use for Kazaa (Score:2)
Because whenever you download an executable from Kazaa, it contains at least one, possibly two trojans. With file planet, you can at least insure that the files are not being tampered with.
BitTorrent is an exception, because it hasn't taken off yet (lil billy teh h4xxor isn't using it)
Re:Poor use for Kazaa (Score:2)
Heavy exaggeration at best, complete lying FUD at worst. C'mon. Every one? Not in my experience.
With file planet, you can at least insure that the files are not being tampered with.
How's that? They don't give you any sort of MD5 or cksum. And they let 15-year-old sub-site admins upload files directly to their fileserver. And, of course, there have been many cases of viruses and trojans fou
Re:Poor use for Kazaa (Score:2)
And if it ever does, it will be its death. It's already blocked where I go to school. BitTorrent has this nasty tendancy to completely and totally flood networks. And because of this, as it becomes more popular, more sites are going to block it to try and keep bandwidth available for other users.
Try it on your home broadband link. As you hit higher and higher upload/download links, try and do anything el
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Re:Poor use for Kazaa (Score:2)
BTW, you can increase response times under heavy up- and downstream bandwidth load by playing around with QoS packet scheduling.
Re:Poor use for Kazaa (Score:2)
I honestly have no idea what you're complaining about, let alone even talking about.
I noticed the replies to journal entry even point this out. You're not doing anything but spreading misinformation.
--max_uploads
the maximum number of uploads to allow at once.
--upload_rate_fudge
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Re:Poor use for Kazaa (Score:2)
So, for a site that has a signfigant number of people using BitTorrent at once, something must be done to ensure every user gets Internet access: an increase in infrast
Re:Poor use for Kazaa (Score:2)
My point being, ya, it would be nice to have something on the front end to address your plea, but at the same time, people need to be responsible for their impact on a network. A network abuser is a network abuser. D
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Re:OT: good use for BitTorrent (Score:2)
Sites like FileFront [slashdot.org] and GameTab [gametab.com] are the fuuuuuture, Marty. These sites are really only useful as an initial index source you can trust (like ShareReactor, but legal), and for aggregating eyeballs to increase the availability of the files.
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Re:OT: good use for BitTorrent (Score:2)
You trust [planetannihilation.com]fileplanet?
I'll save you a click and the approximately 45 ad impressions you'd suffer as you try to scroll down to read the relevant entry at that link:
From planetannihilation.com:
Virus Warning, Thursday, June 19, 2003
If you've downloaded the Cavedog maps from Fileplanet (all except Tropical Islands) I suggest that you scan them for viruses. We apologise for any inconvenience caused by th
Re:OT: good use for BitTorrent (Score:1)
Eh? How do you figure that from my post? I wasn't badmouthing p2p index sites when I said that they're "really only useful as sources you can trust", because that's the truth: you get the secure file hashes FROM these sites that you trust. the md4 hash is in the ed2k URL with eDonkey, and the sha1 hash is in the .torrent file with BitTorrent.
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Here's a bit torrent for it: (Score:2, Informative)
MOD UP (Score:2)
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Re:OT: good use for BitTorrent (Score:2)
It's different because it's somewhat centralized - somebody runs a server which tells the peers about each other, and hosts a torrent file which includes hashes of the file. So if you trust the source of the .torrent file, you don't have to worry. Of course, you can do this (with more effort) on any P2P by comparing checksums with a trusted source.
BTW, does anyone have checksums and sizes for the files? The Linux version from the Norway mi
Fileshack.com mirror (Score:2)
A minor quibble or two (Score:2)
Getting UT2003 working with kernel 2.6.0 (Score:2)
Could not load OpenGL library
History:
Exiting due to error
The nonobvious but simple fix is to modify your 'ut2003-demo' or 'ut2003' startup script by adding "unset LD_ASSUME_KERNEL" at the beginning, and adding it "export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5" back at the end (so RPM will work again).
Google couldn't help me out with this problem, so I wasted an hour messing
Re:Getting UT2003 working with kernel 2.6.0 (Score:2, Informative)
You probably don't need to set LD_ASSUME_KERNEL at the end of the script. Each program has a separate environment, initially inherited from the program that launched it. So "export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5" (in sh and bash scripts) only applies to programs launched by the ut20
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Right (Score:2)
The soviet front was horifically bloody in not-your-typical-war ways... the fighting was not the part you learn about in history class
Symbols of the enemy. (Score:1)
LAUGH MY FUCKIN ASS OFF!!! (Score:2)
Bit Torrent download link (Score:2, Insightful)
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There are no good guys anymore... (Score:2)
Re:There are no good guys anymore... (Score:2)
Well when you DO get a CLUE come back and then we'll talk, because during World War 2 the United States didn't mass murder a several million of it's own people (Stalin). The United States didn't sentance a few million people to death in concentration camps (Hitler). Yes, the japanese camps were shitty, I'll be the first to agree, but they were TEMPORARY. Nor was their goal to exterminate large portions of the populace or
Realism??? (Score:2)
Realistic? How is this realistic at all? That is, unless our grandfathers fought WW2 with a mouse and keyboard.
The use of 'realism' and 'real' is bothersome. I remember hearing countless times during a counter-strike match about how 'realistic' the game was. This was usually a com
WOW (Score:2)
Graphics, but so what? (Score:2)
Re:My opinion... (Score:4, Interesting)
May I ask why?
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Re:what is this, number 12? (Score:2)
Offtopic (Net problems) (Score:1)
Re:What's the matter with this site? (Score:2)